by LauraJ
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I am looking into doing some backlink building or maybe article marketing but I am confused. These companies who call me up saying they can build me up 1,000 backlinks - where do they get them from that don't consider them to be spam?

I understand submitting articles to article directories and then using social bookmarking websites. I've even used Squidoo and Hubpages and my blog - what else can I do?

Or is it that doing it ethically without spamming just takes longer and you get less backlinks?

My head hurts!

Thanks
#backlinks #baffled
  • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
    SEO Link Building are the trickiest, most difficult and most important part of SEO, and there is a lot to know about it. This link is a great place to start figuring them out.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronperkins
      These are some of the main ways to get one-way backlinks:

      1. Submitting your website to SEO friendly directories.
      2. Commenting on blogs that do not use the "nofollow" tag.
      3. Submitting articles and press releases.
      4. Forum signatures that don't use the "nofollow" tag.
      5. Creating your own network of websites that are cross-linking (just make sure each site has a different IP address).
      6. 3-way link exchanges.
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      • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
        Originally Posted by ronperkins View Post

        These are some of the main ways to get one-way backlinks:

        1. Submitting your website to SEO friendly directories.
        2. Commenting on blogs that do not use the "nofollow" tag.
        3. Submitting articles and press releases.
        4. Forum signatures that don’t use the "nofollow" tag.
        5. Creating your own network of websites that are cross-linking (just make sure each site has a different IP address).
        6. 3-way link exchanges.
        Bad advice, low-level SEO tactics. Into the bargain, networking links is hard and you may get burned. Don't antagonize the Google algo.
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by PhilipSEO View Post

          Bad advice, low-level SEO tactics. Into the bargain, networking links is hard and you may get burned. Don't antagonize the Google algo.
          You think article marketing for backlinking purposes is bad advice??? That's ridiculous.
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        • Profile picture of the author ronperkins
          If you want back-links then you need to get your links out there... the main thing is that you want quality back-links from authority sites. I have to agree don’t get hung-up over Google.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            99% of what PhilipSEO says on the WF I agree with.

            That is an old warn out laundry list of backlinks.

            The new style is a few, high PR, high authority backlinks.

            If people keep preaching 1,000's of useless backlinks, the
            better for the rest of us.

            What else are you asking about backlinks for except SEO?

            If not, then by all means. Go out and create as many
            gawd-awful links as possible.

            People have got to start thinking about their own empires.
            Using them the fullest. Squidoo is a good start, so is hub.

            You can cross link as many same ip sites as you like. Google
            readily loves stuff like that. gasbuddy, icanhascheezburger, to name
            two of my favorites. If that were true, you better skip squidoo.
            But squidoo gives me a ton of juice. So do my blogspot blogs. All
            interlinked. The wikipedia empire is all on the same ip, all interlinked.
            And google hates them, right?

            One of the best kept secrets (I don't know why) is to use your own
            high PR, high authority sites to create an empire. I put my own
            unique articles on my blogs and websites only.

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  • Profile picture of the author LauraJ
    Thanks for all of these - I am definately doing link building for SEO not just to build up a collection of links.

    I was just wondering if I was missing a trick of finding good quality links. I know that the best ones are recommendations from other people and article marketing because you have to give something to get something in return.

    I was trying to find out what technique link building companies use to build up links for clients for so little money as it seems to be that for good quality links you have to work a little harder at them.

    Regarding blog posts and forums - it is really hard to make them not look like spam. I believe in good quality links not spammy ones and ruining everyone's experience online.

    Sometimes it feels like I am not making enough links but surely Google will change at some point to put even more weight on quality and not quantity than it does already - afterall, anyone can comment on a blog post it doesn't mean your website deserves to be any higher in the SERPS.

    Am I on the right lines?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
      Originally Posted by LauraJ View Post

      ...anyone can comment on a blog post it doesn't mean your website deserves to be any higher in the SERPS.

      Am I on the right lines?

      Thanks
      You're exactly right. Alot of links out there are not as high-quality because just about anyone can get them. Anyone can buy a link. Anyone can trade for a link.

      You need to aim for the quality links that really do show the search engines that you deserve a higher ranking. How do you do it? Through quality content - whether it's on your site or off. If you create content that's interesting that other people WANT to link to, you're on the right track. For example, instead of spending time making blog comments (which, yes, just about anyone can do), look for blogs that take guest posters. That way, you get a quality backlink AND you get the attention of highly-targeted traffic. For all you know, you could get some loyal readers out of it, or people may simply love your guest post and link to it on their own sites.

      Yes, building quality backlinks can be a slow process. If it were easy, everyone would do it!! But, if you work hard (and work consistently), you will see good results.
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      • Profile picture of the author PhilipSEO
        Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett View Post

        Yes, building quality backlinks can be a slow process. If it were easy, everyone would do it!! But, if you work hard (and work consistently), you will see good results.
        Nicole, I agree with most of what you say, but link development needn't necessarily be a slow painful process.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scootek
    It's a hard one to get right. Some of the directory submission services are rubbish. Get someone you can trust to do it or do it yourself. Weigh up what value you put on your time and how much time it's going to take and how much it's going to cost for someone else to do it.
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    Thanks to everyone - it's much clearer now.

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  • Profile picture of the author Scootek
    I have always been led to believe that if Google and co see's too many backlinks to you at once, sudden upsurge in your backlinks, then you can to som eextent get penalised.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
      Originally Posted by Scootek View Post

      I have always been led to believe that if Google and co see's too many backlinks to you at once, sudden upsurge in your backlinks, then you can to som eextent get penalised.
      This was true at one time, but Google has phased that practice out since spammers have started manipulating the system by churning out nasty backlinks for competitors sites.

      The truth is, you have no complete control over what one way links are pointing to your site, so Google can't punish you for digital equity that doesn't even belong to you as far as they know.

      At least, according to Angie, the Backlinks Queen of the Universe, that's how it works.
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    Thanks. That is very useful to know. As I have some young sites that I want to develop fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author Domenic Carlson
    We actually ran an experiment to see what happens if you build links too fast (this was 6 months ago). We started with nothing and let our newly built trial site sit there for a coupe of months with a link or two just to have Google register that it was not being linked to. Then we started a big linking program with articles, blogs, and all the other usual stuff. We got pretty great results and then after about 3 months we were kicked off Yahoo completely. It took us a little bit to climb our way back but it was a useful lesson to learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scootek
    I am getting 2 contradictory set of views, unless you are saying this changed happened very recently!
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  • Profile picture of the author lexilexi
    Best way to control your link building is to do it yourself. Unless you know enough about it to ascertain whether or not the practices of a company offering link services are legit. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
    Another good practice is to observe the serps over a period of time, and analyze the link profiles of the sites that are at the top. I learned more that way than through any pages of "link building tips"
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    • Profile picture of the author Scootek
      Originally Posted by lexilexi View Post

      Best way to control your link building is to do it yourself. Unless you know enough about it to ascertain whether or not the practices of a company offering link services are legit. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
      Another good practice is to observe the serps over a period of time, and analyze the link profiles of the sites that are at the top. I learned more that way than through any pages of "link building tips"
      I agree. However, it's very difficult to do it all on your own unless you have loads of time on your hands.

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  • Profile picture of the author ajmorgans
    It's not all that impossible but it's not all that great of a deal either.
    1000 Backlinks in 1 or 2 days can lead to bad news with Google.

    First, you would need to make sure it's in an expanded period of time.
    The process must be NATURAL or there is no point of importance here.

    You need to find out some information, like:
    What is the Page Ranks inside these backlinks?
    What is the domain name Google Stats?
    And you run some tests on the history of that company.

    Overall, if you identify a consistent marketing on their part, more or less, they are legit. Look them up in other IM/SEO locations.
    If found on Warrior, it's more or less Good but if you don't want risk the chance, look up their information/history to make sure you get your questions answered.
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    • Profile picture of the author dremora
      A few backlinks on high PR sites is more valuable than a gazillion backlinks on worthless sites.

      I do comment on high traffic blogs, not for SEO or backlink purposes but to bring human readers. Humans don't care about nofollow tags, if you write a halfway decent comment and engage in the discussions, it brings quality targeted readers over time.
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      • Profile picture of the author ronperkins
        Originally Posted by dremora View Post

        I do comment on high traffic blogs, not for SEO or backlink purposes but to bring human readers. Humans don't care about nofollow tags, if you write a halfway decent comment and engage in the discussions, it brings quality targeted readers over time.
        from my experience you are absolutley right... but I do tend to try and find sites that do not force the nofollow so that I can also earn the backlink. But I could not agree more regarding it brings quality targated readers to your website over time.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoindiaforu
    Actually there is a confusion.The answer is:- the links should be build slowly so that Google does not sees it as a spam and at the same time more concentration should nbe given on building quality backlinks,no matter if you get less of them.A link from pr page is much more valuable than 100's of links from non-pr pages.
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  • This topic never gets old =) (well maybe a bit)

    I just read yet another Google webmasters article about how little importance Google places on quantity of backlinks.

    Google is far from stupid. They want high quality and relevance.

    The companies that continue to sell backlink packages are preying on the never ending influx of WF newbies who really lack knowledge of how Google really works.

    I stopped buying into the backlink hoopla a long time ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scootek
      You can tell me otherwise, but quality is hard to achieve. To find relevant links from your particular niche is one of the harder things to do in back link building (in my experience).
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