How many backlinks are to many to fast?

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I'm new here. I've read people talking about getting in trouble with google for doing to many backlinks to quickly.
I know there is article submission software to help the process of submitting to directories, and I know others use other kinds of link software.

How many links in what time frame would get you sandboxed by google?
#backlinks #fast
  • Profile picture of the author Ethan W.
    Hahaha SEO Experts #3 are the geniuses here! haha i love it
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Ethan W. View Post

      Hahaha SEO Experts #3 are the geniuses here! haha i love it
      I have only seen two companies get in trouble with Google for building links too fast...

      But in both cases, both players admitted to doing shady SEO tricks at the same time... LOL

      In both cases, the offending parties had built more than 5,000 links in a few weeks, but they had also done other things that could have been the actual trigger for the Google smackdown...
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    My best advice for you is imagine you are a google employee doing a review of a random sample of your links. What will they find there and how would strategies like your be things they would want to address in their algorithm?

    Don't think you can somehow outsmart them for any length of time. It does not work. There may be a few insiders that occasionally make money for years on a Dark Hat trick, but those will be exceptions that will not be easily duplicated. For example, I know a site that got a link from the homepage of a PR 9 site, and it is clearly a hidden link. That would be such an example that is not easily duplicated by everyone.
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    On a side note, I see that black()hat as one word is being rewritten here on warrior as BlueFart. That is pretty funny.
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  • Profile picture of the author anthon
    That depends on the size of your website.
    For big sites with a lot of pages you can have many backlinks within just few hours and still you will not get penalized while for small sites only few hundreds links in some hours will make it get banned.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt D.
      If I can jump on to this topic.

      If you have a new domain, don't build 1000k first week. This is unnatural except if you have a super duper website that is really something special, which I doubt anyone has.

      When your site is at least a few months old 3+ you can build about 50-100 per day easily. It really depends how much content you have and activity. You don't want to cramp 1000s of backlinks to your home domain but forget to deep link.

      Here is my question.

      If you post an article to let's say Ezinearticles.com, we all know they are established and it's an old domain.

      Does Google look at your article as a single page or as a whole? Like if you build 1000s of backlinks to this 1 article. Will Google notice.
      Ezines get 1000s of links per day, but not to one article, what are your experiences with this?

      Is it ok to build 10k backlinks to an ezine article first 14 days or not? Will Google penalize you?

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary McCaffrey
    I've heard it said that too many links too quickly is bad, I've never seen proof of it, and to me, it just wouldn't make sense for that to be the case. Sites getting thousands of backlinks within days happens all the time completely organically.

    Random things go viral all the time.

    Or another example, imagine a new service is launched and gets a mention on a blog with a huge readership, it goes viral, everybody is blogging about it and talking about it, it gets TV/Media attention and grows rapidly very quickly (fiverr.com?). Is google going to have an algorithm in place that punishes this? I'd be shocked if they did as it happens all the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author russ3377
    Thanks for all the insights, this is helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt D.
      Well Google sandbox exists and I'm just trying to figure out how it works. Want to know what not to do.

      The fact is, if Google sandbox exists, which it does, because otherwise Google would lose on quality, there is a way to "disable" their competitors websites. It's just that not too many people do it. If you build a lot 100s of thousand bad quality spam links in 3 days to small niche site, idk somehow it is possible to disable somebody's website it's just that it doesn't happen so often.

      So what you are saying Alexa that you can build thousands of backlinks first weeks of a brand new domain and not get near sandboxed?
      Well other people say it happens quickly. Now I really don't know what to think.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
        Originally Posted by Matt D. View Post

        So what you are saying Alexa that you can build thousands of backlinks first weeks of a brand new domain and not get near sandboxed?

        Well other people say it happens quickly. Now I really don't know what to think.
        You better hope you never put up a new site that goes viral. You could have thousands of new backlinks in a single day! That would KILL your Google ranking...

        or NOT.
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  • Profile picture of the author CityTiger
    It has to look natural I think thats the main rule of thumb.

    If you build 10,000 links in a day all from sites using the same backend software or template then there is a chance search engines will see that as suspicious. However whether you would get banned or just have those links discounted is debatable. In all cases I have seen of people being banned for building links too quickly there have always been a lot of spam like, poor quality links.

    If the links you are getting are broadly related and of decent quality I dont think there is too much risk no matter how quickly you build them.
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    • Profile picture of the author 6secrets
      Most places have recommended 1 or 2 backlinks per day - favoring a slow buildup of trust from search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author ajmorgans
    As long as you don't break the link building pattern for your website, you should be okay from sandboxed. Backlinks aren't the only thing that get you sandboxed. I have tested and failed many times for producing content too fast...

    I would suggest building backlinks according to the same pattern your website has been using. If it's a new site, I don't suggest going backlinking for the first 30 days... Try to produce about 4-6 backlinks per day. If you want to go more, just remember to keep the pattern active.
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  • Profile picture of the author mcampbell075
    Don't over optimize a new website it may banned by Google.
    The age of your site most absolutely will play a role. So the trick is, not over optimize, watch it, if you start dropping, stop linking keywords and switch to url link.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    Wow, some of these responses are really odd, misinformed, or... well... I don't know what. Quite a bit of bad information in this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author lbtillmanyoung
      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      Wow, some of these responses are really odd, misinformed, or... well... I don't know what. Quite a bit of bad information in this thread.
      Wow this response had me laughing all over the place.

      My experience with Google and my involvement in SEO in a whole has led me to believe that Google has something akin to a point system.

      When I create a new site and I allow Google to index it I make sure that the Google bot is finding my site from a variety of sources (articles, web 2.0 and social bookmarking). Google's goal is to deliver the most relevant and up to date information possible so... how would a sandbox help this goal?

      I've never had a site sandboxed for more than 1 -2 days. I just slow-down my link building and have it seem more natural... I water down the web 2.0 sites and start doing more social bookmarking of third tier links.

      But I digress, the Google point system evaluates how it finds your website initially, what types of links are coming to it. For instance, if you initially blast your website with forum links and blog comments that also have websites that are spamming it then by association your website is considered spam. As a result your trust factor with Google is reduced and now you have to prove your site worthy.

      BUT I find if you use the usual route (article marketing, social bookmarking and web 2.0) initially then you are fine. Then start backlinking your backlinks.

      Google isn't that complicated. People are just impatient and do things they know doesn't make sense... Like blasting 10,000 links all at once.

      My .02
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Ignite
    You dont want to use automated submission software to get links...Google already post in their webmaster guidelines and are against site that do..

    also submitting there would just be spamming and Google is smarter to protect their SERPs from spam results. What you need it solid and trusted links that count in google...that will help you gain higher rankings...
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Ignite
    building thousands of links in a few links in the beginning of a domain is a no go...Think about it...it smells fishy and google is smart nowadays...initially you need highly trusted links and not many....that will help build the initial trust and shorten the time in the sandbox...If you think about it, that makes total sense..when you hear massive quantity in links its all spam anyways...its very clear to me..If you talk to all the other SEO experts like Aaron wall and rand Fishkin etc they would totally agree on this one....
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
      Originally Posted by Marketing Ignite View Post

      building thousands of links in a few links in the beginning of a domain is a no go...Think about it...it smells fishy and google is smart nowadays...initially you need highly trusted links and not many....that will help build the initial trust and shorten the time in the sandbox...If you think about it, that makes total sense..when you hear massive quantity in links its all spam anyways...its very clear to me..If you talk to all the other SEO experts like Aaron wall and rand Fishkin etc they would totally agree on this one....
      Well I completely disagree. It doesn't work that way in real life. But I encourage people to think that it does, especially my competitors!

      And for all my competitors out there: the best idea is to NEVER submit your pages to Digg. I launched a new site and submitted it to Digg and it caught on. OH NO! Within about 36 hours my site had almost 9,000 backlinks! You really, really don't want that.

      Originally Posted by Marketing Ignite View Post

      If you think about it, that makes total sense
      No, no it doesn't.
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      • Profile picture of the author eemass
        too good is too bad?
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        I just don't know where this stuff comes from, except people who
        do shady SEO, if shady seo is not an oxymoron.

        If you get 1,000,000 backlinks the same day, and those million
        links are gold, google will love you for it.

        Does the word, "viral" mean anything to anybody?

        Okay, some viral is short term gain.
        (note: short term does not equal penalty)
        You don't just want viral, but long term viral.

        But come on! Give me a million great backlinks in a week anytime!
        I'll take 'em! I don't know why this is such a big secret.

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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          I just don't know where this stuff comes from, except people who do shady SEO, if shady seo is not an oxymoron.

          If you get 1,000,000 backlinks the same day, and those million
          links are gold, google will love you for it.

          Does the word, "viral" mean anything to anybody?
          Paul:

          And apparently Google indexes every single page in the entire universe every single day to FIND that all of those links were posted in a single day.

          Yeah. Right.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

            Paul:

            And apparently Google indexes every single page in the entire universe every single day to FIND that all of those links were posted in a single day.

            Yeah. Right.
            Drat! yet another monkey wrench tossed into the myths!

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            • Profile picture of the author simpleonline1234
              haha.....wow this thread is all over the place...guys I think your forgetting something here when you are talking about backlink building....artificial or not....backlinking to your site is a process that has the ability to be out of your control and Google knows this.

              Sure you can build your own links.....but you forget that people can also build your links towards your site as well...(which is the way that Google wants it to be).....that being said people having the ability to create 1 or 1 million backlinks to your site in a day if they choose.

              With that being said you have no control over who links back to your site and Google takes this into consideration when evaluating your site. Will Google ban/box your site if I get your 1 million links tomorrow.....and the answer is no...Why....because you didn't do it so why should you be punished?

              How 1 million backlinks affect your website could be more or less Google allowing those backlinks to be included into your ranking algorithm and at what percent per link would it be helpful to your site. If Google deems those 1 million backlinks spammed links then you will probably not see much of a rise in the SERPS for them because they were detected and labeled spam.

              It would just be a waste of your own time to have setup all those links to have them do nothing or very little towards your site. I believe they would have some weight but at what percent is the key question to ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Ignite
    sites with too many back links too quickly dropped in rankings..i have seen it so many times many times over that i know its a fact...
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  • Profile picture of the author kartikkhattar
    Ok I have a Question. I have a few sites which ranked very well when they were launched but slowly they disappeared, i didnt do any backlinking back then. My question is that if i build backlinks to those sites now, are there chances for any improvement? I just see a few search engine appearances for some rare keywords now, so that means its still indexed but getting trickle traffic. Any advices?
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    • Profile picture of the author simpleonline1234
      Ok I have a Question. I have a few sites which ranked very well when they were launched but slowly they disappeared, i didnt do any backlinking back then. My question is that if i build backlinks to those sites now, are there chances for any improvement? I just see a few search engine appearances for some rare keywords now, so that means its still indexed but getting trickle traffic. Any advices?

      Start building backlinks again....if your still in the index then you site is in good shape....your content lost freshness, competitition out ranked you, etc....just start steadily building links again to the site and see what happens.

      I would probably look into the niche again to test the waters to see if it's worth trying to salvage the site first.....enough traffic volume, beatable competitions, etc.

      hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author kartikkhattar
    ya definitely that helped and thank you so much for replying . Well those sites ranked on the first page untill the google MAYDAY :-p . But ya i also accept that i hadn't built even a single backlink till that time. Basically those are autoblogs(u gonna hate me for this :p ). Moreover those sites are like 3-4 months old now, so ive decided to be a little more aggresive in building backlinks
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  • Profile picture of the author kartikkhattar
    Oh yeah, just to add, i even made a few amazon sales, that's why i am disappointed cz those sites sunk
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  • Profile picture of the author remoteuser
    It all depends on what the content type, age of the domain and are there authority links pointing to them already...
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  • Profile picture of the author vikaskatoch
    Yes, building back links to fast in very short time period. It is against Google Algo, if Google find your this dirty activity than you may get banned or penalize. So, be careful man...
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