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Stuck on Position 2

by JFVJ
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Hey warriors,

I have a website that is 4 months old. I started building links i was rising on the rankings relatively fast. About 2 months ago i got into position number 2 for 2 keywords. Since then i have not been able to rise for number 1.

I have been getting links from blogs, a few forum forum profiles a lot of article marketing and also using web2.0 sites to post my articles.

Regarding page optimization, my page probably is not as well optimized as the number 1, but it is not far from it.

About links, i used SEO Spyglass because it seems to be the more accurate tool. It showed more than 700 links for the page i am trying to rank, and only 13 links for the number one(13 links with very little PR 0-2).

The page on number 1 is not an authority site like wikipedia or amazon. It has PR0 like mine.

From what i have learned so far from SEO, backlinks are about 70% of the ranking. My page has a LOT more links and it is well optimized. That´s why i don´t get it why i am still stuck on position 2.

Any ideas anyone?

Thanks
Fabio
#position #stuck
  • Profile picture of the author derekjansen
    Hi Fabio

    My suggestion would be to just keep on keeping on Keep building quality, relevant links and work on keeping your your content fresh and useful. It's most likely just a matter of time...

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dellco
    Good question, but I think there is no more you can do. There are many examples of sites ranking high and having next to no backlinks, or very little.

    Sometimes these sites just rank for no reason at all! Sometimes these are just CRAP blogspot sites or crap pages, I've seen more than a few. There is NO way to explain it. These crap sites linger in the top 10 of fairly popular search terms for a very long time, maybe years!

    I think this is where backlinks has hit the stone wall. But I have been wondering the same thing as you for a long time, and my conclusion is, that site has been conferred some kind of "blessing" by Google (or maybe someone within Google), and there is really nothing you can do about it, even if you have better content and many more links....

    Sad but that is the reality. Just accept it and move on to other keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author umaar.k
    some times position 2 get more ctr than position 1, so you still getting as much as same benefit as position 1.
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  • Profile picture of the author millerb7
    Is any of the keywords in their URL?

    Also what's the age of their website... you mentioned yours is rather new.

    Give it some time, unfortunately it takes quite a bit of time.

    Also, even if they don't' have a lot of backlinks, but they are from higher PR (I know you mentioned only 0-2 or 0-3), but if it's still higher than yours, the quality of the backlink is more important than the quantity.
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    • Profile picture of the author JFVJ
      Originally Posted by millerb7 View Post

      Is any of the keywords in their URL?

      Also what's the age of their website... you mentioned yours is rather new.

      Give it some time, unfortunately it takes quite a bit of time.

      Also, even if they don't' have a lot of backlinks, but they are from higher PR (I know you mentioned only 0-2 or 0-3), but if it's still higher than yours, the quality of the backlink is more important than the quantity.
      The number 1 spot is 3 months older than my site.

      I said that some of their backlinks were form PR2, but i also have better quality links because i have a 20+ PR4, 10 PR3 and a few PR2and PR1

      And both keywords are on the url. Not in the domain but on the page itself. e.g. example.com/keyword
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      • Profile picture of the author marketguy
        Originally Posted by JFVJ View Post

        The number 1 spot is 3 months older than my site.

        I said that some of their backlinks were form PR2, but i also have better quality links because i have a 20+ PR4, 10 PR3 and a few PR2and PR1

        And both keywords are on the url. Not in the domain but on the page itself. e.g. example.com/keyword
        how do you know this. my sites are 9 months old and when i hit "age" in seo for firefox, i still do not get anything. i would really like to know.

        thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author JFVJ
          Originally Posted by marketguy View Post

          how do you know this. my sites are 9 months old and when i hit "age" in seo for firefox, i still do not get anything. i would really like to know.

          thanks
          I saw it here

          Just put the website adress on the first slot and it will tell you when the domain was registred.
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          • Profile picture of the author marketguy
            Originally Posted by JFVJ View Post

            I saw it here

            Just put the website adress on the first slot and it will tell you when the domain was registred.
            nice. thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author JJOrana
              What you can do for now is to improve your "title" and "description".

              Doing so, it will increase your CTR and reduces the one above you.

              I strongly believe that CTR is another factor that Google uses in its algorithm. I have no proof but if you'll think about it Google is all about relevance.

              The more relevant your site is to users the more Google will love your site.
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              • Profile picture of the author paulgl
                Originally Posted by JJOrana View Post

                What you can do for now is to improve your "title" and "description".

                Doing so, it will increase your CTR and reduces the one above you.

                I strongly believe that CTR is another factor that Google uses in its algorithm. I have no proof but if you'll think about it Google is all about relevance.

                The more relevant your site is to users the more Google will love your site.
                See, that's pretty good logic.

                Illogical: trying to come up with a total number of backlinks to overtake #1

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  • Profile picture of the author BobbyS
    There may be some other factors like domain age. Also your competitor site may have more reputable links may be less link than yours. Just wait for your turn, and keep doing your efforts but don't try too hard that may harm your 2nd position also.
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    • Profile picture of the author JFVJ
      Originally Posted by BobbyS View Post

      There may be some other factors like domain age. Also your competitor site may have more reputable links may be less link than yours. Just wait for your turn, and keep doing your efforts but don't try too hard that may harm your 2nd position also.
      I am getting 5-6 % CTR, so it´s low but normal for a position 2. This is my first time one 1st page of google so i do not know what CTR to expect form number 1, but i have heard that is about 25%. So it will be a huge boost, about 4x more.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRetiredBuilder
        Originally Posted by JFVJ View Post

        I am getting 5-6 % CTR, so it´s low but normal for a position 2. This is my first time one 1st page of google so i do not know what CTR to expect form number 1, but i have heard that is about 25%. So it will be a huge boost, about 4x more.
        I can tell you for sure you won't get 4x more traffic by going from position 2 to 1

        I have several sites and pages that dance between position 1-3 on a daily basis and I see no real difference
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  • Profile picture of the author E-supreme
    Keep working on building quality links. Start building a network of sites you can build up and work on getting links from. Use a variety of linking sources and you should take the 1st spot shortly.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      The truth is, you never know 100% of what your competitor has done,
      is doing, or how google values the site. That includes how many backlinks
      that count.

      If you missed this thread:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...st-vacuum.html

      It is true. Google can get it wrong or just plain and simply loves one site over
      another for reason X.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    Do you know how many links you are competing against for the site in position #1? Likewise, time is also against you. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Be happy with the results you have achieved in the short time you have been at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JFVJ
    I think i have been building links the wrong way.

    I was searching on google for some tips for my problem and i found a site about it. In there there was an article about building links from 2.0 sites and article directories. He/She was saying that creates new accounts with different ips everytime he/she posts something on those web2.0 and article directories.

    Does anyone does this? Is this true?
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  • Profile picture of the author jclz3d
    more higher pr links with better on site optimization should see you be pushed over on the next serp change
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  • Profile picture of the author Rock Solid
    I've had this happen and no matter how many articles and backlinks I throw at it it never seems to work, then I tried home page backlinks. They're were critical. I got some high PR home page links and the site jumped to number 1 for 4-5 keywords in a week or two.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      I have top ranking for some pages where the only thing I did was put in a few low quality links (besides creating the page). And all the other competitors are throwing the house and everything into the pan to get up there, and all I can think of is, if Google really likes a page or site, you really cannot do much about it.

      I am also trying to overtake a lousy blogspot with several posts in total, created two years ago that hardly has any links to it, and so far been trying for months - still failed. My content is far superior, and my links are way more.....what gives?

      So again, if that page or site has got "the Google blessing", and you have tried so hard to overtake it and failed, my advice is - leave it, go work something else; otherwise you might even end up harming your current position and more importantly, waste a lot of time and effort, when you could be doing something else.

      Remember at the end of the day, Google has an "X Factor" to it, where it is impossible to calculate the result, as in X number of links and X number of page elements will guarantee X position. You can't do that with humans, and Google's "aim" is to become as human as possible, though that's still far in the future....

      Have you heard the saying - Do your best, leave the rest?
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