The End Of The Xfactor Forum

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Hi Guys,

Just checked in with the Xfactor forum and here is what is there...........

Dear Members,

The forum is permanently closed due to a legal issue I have been dragged into between a 3rd party seller and a 3rd party buyer of several websites that were advertised on this forum. Between this and many other member problems behind the scenes since the forum opened a year ago, it has totally soured my enthusiasm to continue a discussion group in any fashion from this point on.

The Scoop - Please Do Not Ask Me Any Questions Beyond The Following, As I Cannot Answer Them:

It essentially boils down to one member of the forum who paid another member thousands of dollars for some websites. The buyer never received his websites and went on a severe rampage on me personally, because he claimed since it was 'my forum' then I should be responsible.

He then got a lawyer with a cease and desist involved, and its just too much stress for me to handle.

This has become a very disheartening situation because the forum was designed to help people, not create personal liabilities due to the actions of others.

Video Project Customers: I do have over 300 video clips taken throughout a 14 week period. Although it was my first video project and the clips are all over the place, I have them all off to a professional editor to hopefully salvage them into a legible, communicative product. He should be finished mid-September but if you'd like a refund now then please contact me and I'll schedule it for you.

Forum Members (last 30 days): If you joined in the last 30 days, and you would like a refund on your forum payment, then please email me and I'll schedule your payment.

Coaching Clients: This does not affect you at all. We're all good to go, the initial phone consultations have been made and the coaching is going on daily (you know where your coaching area is at.)
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  • Profile picture of the author dfrerking
    Attention all Xfactor Forum moderators

    Let's save the content and continue the community by creating a new forum for all existing members. See if you can get a copy of the content and the member list from John and start a new forum. Please make it happen!
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    • Profile picture of the author alvanpilot
      Originally Posted by dfrerking View Post

      Attention all Xfactor Forum moderators

      Let's save the content and continue the community by creating a new forum for all existing members. See if you can get a copy of the content and the member list from John and start a new forum. Please make it happen!
      Hey guys!

      Count me in too. I have been with the Forum since it's inception.

      Alvanpilot

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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
    John should have asked me to represent him and I would have told the other lawyer where to stick it

    Clearly a headache but in the long run its one of those situations that you just want to say "are you kidding me?"



    Originally Posted by joesemo View Post

    Hi Guys,

    Just checked in with the Xfactor forum and here is what is there...........

    Dear Members,

    The forum is permanently closed due to a legal issue I have been dragged into between a 3rd party seller and a 3rd party buyer of several websites that were advertised on this forum. Between this and many other member problems behind the scenes since the forum opened a year ago, it has totally soured my enthusiasm to continue a discussion group in any fashion from this point on.

    The Scoop - Please Do Not Ask Me Any Questions Beyond The Following, As I Cannot Answer Them:

    It essentially boils down to one member of the forum who paid another member thousands of dollars for some websites. The buyer never received his websites and went on a severe rampage on me personally, because he claimed since it was 'my forum' then I should be responsible.

    He then got a lawyer with a cease and desist involved, and its just too much stress for me to handle.

    This has become a very disheartening situation because the forum was designed to help people, not create personal liabilities due to the actions of others.

    Video Project Customers: I do have over 300 video clips taken throughout a 14 week period. Although it was my first video project and the clips are all over the place, I have them all off to a professional editor to hopefully salvage them into a legible, communicative product. He should be finished mid-September but if you'd like a refund now then please contact me and I'll schedule it for you.

    Forum Members (last 30 days): If you joined in the last 30 days, and you would like a refund on your forum payment, then please email me and I'll schedule your payment.

    Coaching Clients: This does not affect you at all. We're all good to go, the initial phone consultations have been made and the coaching is going on daily (you know where your coaching area is at.)
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    • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
      I am member of John's forum as well, and consider the end of this forum a big loss for all of us. Things should not be that way, he is not responsible for third parties scammers and for third parties ingenuous #$&@!! persons.

      I agree we should start a new one if the original one is definitely gone for good, I am available to give my contribution if you guys decide to go for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author miker501
        yeah, be shouldn't mention all the money he owes hundreds of people, just getting another forum up would be good
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      • Profile picture of the author guest
        John did keep pushing the free update book back - but he did have his reasons. As people in his forum have read, and most people understood.

        I think it really would be ashame if all the posts/members/etc just disapear. The success stories and tips were great.

        But as i said in the last thread that got closed - has the forum gone because google has a problem with the xfactor method?

        If you read this john, please let us have a database dump and open it up again. Too much will be lost for people trying to still follow your advice.

        Or even better - just give us an update here on wf if there is any chance of the forum reopening
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      • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
        Originally Posted by Terry Gorry View Post

        That is the point-he is not responsible for third party activity.

        But he IS responsible for closing down the forum (and collecting a LOT of cash in advance for a video series that he did not deliver on and for failing to provide the updated book).

        Saying the update book was a freebie and consequently he had no obligation is a nonsense because I encouraged and induced other people to join the forum and one of the benefits that those people relied in making their decision to join was the updated book.

        Terry
        He did not deliver the video series or the ebook yet, but he said he will keep working on it. I understand he is delayed, but I also understand he is delayed because of personal problems that could happen to any of us. I also understand most people just cant wait for the releases, and the solution he offered is to refund, so why do you complain about the video series ? if you cant wait, then just ask the refund.

        The new ebook should not be the main reason to join John's forum (I would never induce others to join anything based on something that does was not released yet). The forum itself should be the reason, as all the good information I learned during the short time I have been a member worths gold and I will not ask for refund despite I have the option to get refunded. It is just a pitty it closed, so please anyone get the forum data and start a new forum if john decides to close his own for good.

        So in my case I will just keep waiting for the new ebook, and will keep hoping the forum opens again.
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        • Profile picture of the author alvanpilot
          Since getting John's ebook and joining the forum last October, there is one thing I believe about Mr. John X Factor and that he IS a man of his word.

          If he said that there is another updated book and that the videos are right now being processed and expected to be delivered sometime in September, then guess what?

          I BELIEVE JOHN IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

          I will wait for him to deliver when the time is right for him due to what I truly believe were unforeseen circumstances on his part.

          However, I also agree that rather than wait and "HOPE" that John changes his mind about the forum, we should try to "KEEP IT ALIVE".

          It was a wonderful community that has definitely helped many people.

          That is MHO.
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          • Profile picture of the author kevinflatt
            Originally Posted by alvanpilot View Post

            Since getting John's ebook and joining the forum last October, there is one thing I believe about Mr. John X Factor and that he IS a man of his word.

            If he said that there is another updated book and that the videos are right now being processed and expected to be delivered sometime in September, then guess what?

            I BELIEVE JOHN IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

            I will wait for him to deliver when the time is right for him due to what I truly believe were unforeseen circumstances on his part.

            However, I also agree that rather than wait and "HOPE" that John changes his mind about the forum, we should try to "KEEP IT ALIVE".

            It was a wonderful community that has definitely helped many people.

            That is MHO.
            I would like to believe John will deliver and that's the kind of person I always believed his is. One thing I don't really appreciate is I arrived at the XFactor forum and the place was locked up with a notice hanging up at the door.

            He has my email address as well as the rest of the members and had no problem emailing us in the past. So, unless he also lost our email addresses, I would of expected the courtesy of an email notification at the least.

            I, for one, am not concerned about an updated book as I got more than my money's worth from the first one and the forum posts by John and others.

            I still believe in John's honesty and integrity and if he doesn't deliver the updated book it's most likely because he does not think it will help. He has often said that there really was nothing new that was not said in the forum.

            BTW The real Timbo, to the best of my knowledge, knows all about this thread (more than mbmehmet realizes).

            Kevin
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            • Profile picture of the author stepman77
              Hey guys,

              Thought I'd chime in here...If we're concerned that people could be getting into the forum who weren't there, would it be possible to talk John into putting a link to it on the current page that comes up? That way only people who could log into the old forum would get access to the new forum.

              Maybe that would work? Just an idea that I knew I should post now or forever forget. Sorry if it doesn't make sense =/
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              • Profile picture of the author thegreatwarrior
                Please add me to that list, too.

                This is a good idea:

                Originally Posted by stepman77 View Post

                Hey guys,

                Thought I'd chime in here...If we're concerned that people could be getting into the forum who weren't there, would it be possible to talk John into putting a link to it on the current page that comes up? That way only people who could log into the old forum would get access to the new forum.

                Maybe that would work? Just an idea that I knew I should post now or forever forget. Sorry if it doesn't make sense =/
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            • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
              I agree, Kevin!


              Originally Posted by kevinflatt View Post

              I still believe in John's honesty and integrity and if he doesn't deliver the updated book it's most likely because he does not think it will help. He has often said that there really was nothing new that was not said in the forum.



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    • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
      Originally Posted by Terry Gorry View Post

      My conclusion is that it suited John to pull the plug for reasons we can only speculate about..
      To be fair I think he's been fairly clear:

      "Between this and many other member problems behind the scenes since the forum opened a year ago, it has totally soured my enthusiasm to continue a discussion group in any fashion from this point on."

      John also recently said that the couching program will be his last 'public' project (it said words to this effect in the coaching board description)

      As you say, we can only speculate. I think that John's a great, helpful guy with good intentions. But that he's had loads of attention since his original thread, and - due to the way the internet works - some of that will no doubt have been negative.

      I guess (and it is just that, a complete and utter guess) that months of negativity from a very small minority, and now some silly 3rd party buyer threatening John, has caused him to close things down.

      I don't see it as a great conspiracy really

      Originally Posted by guest View Post

      But as i said in the last thread that got closed - has the forum gone because google has a problem with the xfactor method?
      The xFactor method revolves around making sites with good, helpful content.

      If Google has a problem with content, Google are dead.

      So no, I don't think that the forums have anything to do with Google's decisions. Nor do I think that Google dislikes content.



      Originally Posted by Terry Gorry View Post

      But he IS responsible for closing down the forum (and collecting a LOT of cash in advance for a video series that he did not deliver on and for failing to provide the updated book).

      Saying the update book was a freebie and consequently he had no obligation is a nonsense because I encouraged and induced other people to join the forum and one of the benefits that those people relied in making their decision to join was the updated book.
      I thought the updated book was being made available to all original customers, not just forum members?

      Either way, I agree that he handled the video series and updated book pretty badly. But again, I honestly think that John is a good guy with good intentions. I just think that he tried doing too much (handling a publishing 'empire' making good 3 figures per day, coaching, answering e-mails personally, video series, updated book, a forums, etc etc) and this ultimately was a bad decision. Perhaps now that he'll be less in the public eye and the forums won't be around (and he's said coaching will be his last project), he'll be less likely to completely miss ETAs in the future?

      It's also worth noting that he's said loads of times that he's happy to refund anyone's payment made on the video series. I don't think he's been anything but honest when it comes to that? I just think he tried doing too much and in doing so kept breaking deadlines.
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      • Profile picture of the author warbar
        Originally Posted by TristanPerry View Post

        To be fair I think he's been fairly clear:

        "Between this and many other member problems behind the scenes since the forum opened a year ago, it has totally soured my enthusiasm to continue a discussion group in any fashion from this point on."

        John also recently said that the couching program will be his last 'public' project (it said words to this effect in the coaching board description)

        As you say, we can only speculate. I think that John's a great, helpful guy with good intentions. But that he's had loads of attention since his original thread, and - due to the way the internet works - some of that will no doubt have been negative.

        I guess (and it is just that, a complete and utter guess) that months of negativity from a very small minority, and now some silly 3rd party buyer threatening John, has caused him to close things down.

        I don't see it as a great conspiracy really


        The xFactor method revolves around making sites with good, helpful content.

        If Google has a problem with content, Google are dead.

        So no, I don't think that the forums have anything to do with Google's decisions. Nor do I think that Google dislikes content.




        I thought the updated book was being made available to all original customers, not just forum members?

        Either way, I agree that he handled the video series and updated book pretty badly. But again, I honestly think that John is a good guy with good intentions. I just think that he tried doing too much (handling a publishing 'empire' making good 3 figures per day, coaching, answering e-mails personally, video series, updated book, a forums, etc etc) and this ultimately was a bad decision. Perhaps now that he'll be less in the public eye and the forums won't be around (and he's said coaching will be his last project), he'll be less likely to completely miss ETAs in the future?

        It's also worth noting that he's said loads of times that he's happy to refund anyone's payment made on the video series. I don't think he's been anything but honest when it comes to that? I just think he tried doing too much and in doing so kept breaking deadlines.
        Very well stated. Agree on all points. If this thread gets deleted, Tristan's post should be posted and locked. Always felt John's a good guy - just bit off more than he (or anyone else) could chew without a staff to help out.

        I do hope he comes through the the updated book seeing as it must be done by now, but I'm not holding out much hope. Why would he want to release it and open himself up for more hassles with questions, etc.? Especially where he's said it was going to be released at no cost to those who already purchased his original book? Nothing in it for him other than honoring his word. If he's out of the public limelight for good, I don't think he's going to really care about what others may think about him.

        In the end, those who have applied his tactics and have been around a while made far more than they paid for his course, so most should have no beef.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by Terry Gorry View Post

      Absolutely, which would leave you wondering why he shut it down.

      As a fellow lawyer, you and I both know that lawyers send out letters everyday which are purely speculative and essentially chancing one's arm.

      If they are ignored no further action will be taken for a number of reasons..
      1. cost of pursuing proceedings
      2. ultimately winning against someone who is not a "mark" rendering the victory pyrrhic
      3. uncertain outcome
      4. losing and having costs awarded against you for pursuing frivolous claims.

      My conclusion is that it suited John to pull the plug for reasons we can only speculate about..

      Terry
      I was not a member of John's forum and nor have I bought any of his courses. But I am well aware that he was on the way to becoming a guru. Therefore I found the sudden closure very strange.

      I would be wary whether there are any other reasons involved e.g. trademark infringement for the term "X-Factor". If so, the owner of the new forum would be susceptible to the same problem. I suggest you try your best to contact John and get confirmation from him.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesM
    I'd host any new forum. If people are interested then PM me. I'd need a couple of experienced and willing mods, but it's easily set up.
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  • Profile picture of the author erazer
    I guess we need to keep this thread free of angry posts if we want it to survive. We really need to make another forum happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author svalegria
      I would be interested in any attempt at a new forum. Even better if we can get a dump of the old one. John is a good gy but you could read the growing frustration in his words. He must have felt this was the right time to just make an exit.

      Let's not let the community die and fade away.
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      • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
        Originally Posted by svalegria View Post

        I would be interested in any attempt at a new forum. Even better if we can get a dump of the old one. John is a good gy but you could read the growing frustration in his words. He must have felt this was the right time to just make an exit.

        Let's not let the community die and fade away.
        Dan
        I am with you, do you think there is any chance we could dump the old one ? if not do you think a new forum should start from zero ?
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        • Profile picture of the author rmills
          I was a member of the forum and considered it to be one of the best investments I'd made in IM. Very sad to see it closed.
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          • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
            Originally Posted by rmills View Post

            I was a member of the forum and considered it to be one of the best investments I'd made in IM. Very sad to see it closed.
            truth is that it was my second best investment in internet marketing. The best investment was john's course. Both made me get my confidence back about being successful with building a business online. I tried so many things, white hat, black hat, grey hat, but now thanks to john I am sure I am in the right direction to achieve my goals
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Helphrey
    Just a little "heads up" would've been cool. Too bad that we lose out because of a few idiots. It is what it is. Let's start up a new one...
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    • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
      I guess most who joined john's course and forum came from warriorforum, I dont think it would be too difficult to reach most of the members of the original forum. Any idea on how the forum would be settled and organized ? would it follow the original forum ? would it be free ? would it be paid ? (except for members coming from johns forum).
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      • Profile picture of the author bluefoot
        I am wondering why all threads that discuss the Xfactor forum end up deleted? Is there a forum rule that is being violated?
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        • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
          Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post

          I am wondering why all threads that discuss the Xfactor forum end up deleted? Is there a forum rule that is being violated?
          Probably yes
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          • Profile picture of the author Trin
            I feel like the kiss of death to these "XFactor Forum" threads. Three posts in three threads and all three threads deleted.

            I belonged to John's forum for only a few days and was greatly enjoying it, then it was turned off. I received a refund promptly, but would gladly pay again to join its replacement.

            As a side note... I don't understand why entire threads get deleted so easily... why not just delete the offending posts and issue a warning to the poster? Just wondering...
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            • Profile picture of the author zapata
              Originally Posted by Trin View Post

              As a side note... I don't understand why entire threads get deleted so easily... why not just delete the offending posts and issue a warning to the poster? Just wondering...
              My guess is that they don't want anyone talking about starting up another forum which would distract people from coming here. I got booted off a forum once for posting a link to my own forum and asking others to visit it.

              Just a guess...
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              • Profile picture of the author Radix
                I guess my immediate question would be, "why?" Is there some reason why those same discussions can't occur here on WF? Was it the people? I can assure you that nearly every member of John's forum was also a WF member.

                I think a lot of folks found comfort there because the community was polite and respectful. Maybe some folks here just need to take a page from that book. At one time, WF was very similar.

                Additionally, and this is simply my opinion, stop looking for others to walk you by the hand. The xfactor forum was great, but tended to attract a lot of people who wanted to be spoon fed. You will not succeed as long you depend on others. Read, synthesize and do. Constant discussion second guessing every thing is typically referred to as procrastination.

                As for the people bashing John, you'd do well to recall how this whole thing got started. If you feel shortchanged, ask him for a refund. If you're mad you didn't get something for free, why? If you were spending hours on the xfactor forum everyday, use that time now to do some work. You really do have all the skills and knowledge you need to succeed.

                It's a disappointing loss for those of us who enjoyed the xfactor forum. Creating a new one without John and his crew will likely not result in the same type of learning community in which case why not just use WF?
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                • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
                  Originally Posted by Radix View Post

                  I guess my immediate question would be, "why?" Is there some reason why those same discussions can't occur here on WF? Was it the people? I can assure you that nearly every member of John's forum was also a WF member.

                  I think a lot of folks found comfort there because the community was polite and respectful. Maybe some folks here just need to take a page from that book. At one time, WF was very similar.

                  Additionally, and this is simply my opinion, stop looking for others to walk you by the hand. The xfactor forum was great, but tended to attract a lot of people who wanted to be spoon fed. You will not succeed as long you depend on others. Read, synthesize and do. Constant discussion second guessing every thing is typically referred to as procrastination.

                  As for the people bashing John, you'd do well to recall how this whole thing got started. If you feel shortchanged, ask him for a refund. If you're mad you didn't get something for free, why? If you were spending hours on the xfactor forum everyday, use that time now to do some work. You really do have all the skills and knowledge you need to succeed.

                  It's a disappointing loss for those of us who enjoyed the xfactor forum. Creating a new one without John and his crew will likely not result in the same type of learning community in which case why not just use WF?
                  I guess you are right, a new forum will never be the same thing, I really enjoyed reading each word of it, my business does not depend on it, it depends on applying what I learned with the course (I am taking action). However, I found lots of useful information and motivation, we cannot deny it, and I will miss this.
                  Lets just hope the forum is re-activated. If not this is not the end of the world.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Trin
                    The "Why" for me is because it was a group who shared a single method and built upon and expanded it. Although I was only there for a short time, I enjoyed the posters and general camaraderie.

                    This forum is great for an overall sense of what is going on and what is new, but I find I get overwhelmed and sometimes distracted by the sheer size, scope and number of posts.
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                    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
                      I've posted on two previous threads about the demise of the Xfactor forum, and both threads have been deleted for some reason. So, not to jeapardize this thread, I just want to put in my 2 cents about it.

                      Like many others, I'm very disheartened and disappointed that John has shut the forum down without any prior notice whatsoever. Forum members were always very helpful, and there was a lot of good useful info in there that I would like to retrieve. It appears I won't be able to do that now.

                      It's real shame the forum was closed the way it was, and I already miss it...
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  • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
    Wow.

    Many of you are gullable, it's unbelievable! I am not going to say who I am, but let me say I was a member of the forum and a very active one at that ;-) Thats all I am saying.

    I knew something like this going to happen...why you may ask? Well, what money would be made from giving a free update on a new book. I don't want to start a slanging match, but I lost respect for Mr John a long time ago.

    Think about it....John was naive to state early on that an update to the ebook would be free, this was when the first book was on the verge of becoming so big. What do you do when you promise something that you soon come to realise was a mistake....Delay after delay after delay, over 1 year.

    Now many of you say, " But it was gonna be free, john is not obliged to deliver"...Well, I beg to differ. For one whether it free or not a person should stick to his word, no matter what, as any respect is at risk of being lost. Secondly over 1 year for an ebook! Seriously, he was quick enough to get it out when customers were dribbling over there keyboards. Thirdly, how many excuses! I mean seriously, and on top of that he piles on projects after projects to rake in cash in advance....Private coaching section, video project etc etc. What the hell was that about! Man, I wouldnt mind paying for the ebook, just dont go treating people like mugs.

    So, how do you go about getting out of something that you promised that in reality is like giving away a pot of gold? ie: ( Giving a free update to his book) Well, you close the forum....That way, forum members and those that were promised the update for free would instead have to pay further down the line.

    Watch this space, John will be back, with an updated book, more money for him in the end.

    People, he is a marketer first and foremost. You really think that thread he started a year back was started with no intention. Wise up and stop being so naive. You will see......
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    • Profile picture of the author kevinflatt
      I was a moderator on the XFactor forum and I can say that John nearly gave up the forum some time ago due to some people causing him headaches. These issues were resolved at the time. I also can vouch for the part about the sites being sold and the buyer taking it out on John for not receiving the websites.

      John admitted all along to us that he was "learning" when it came to running a forum and I felt he often took things a little too personally.

      Regarding the updated book, I suggested to John some time ago that he was being too much of a perfectionist and I guess that is the reason why the book has not materialized, but I do have to say (and I consider myself a friend of John's, so no hard feelings here) that I am surprised he looks like not keeping his word. I would of thought that with his usual integrity he would honor his promise.

      I too am going to miss the forum as I made a number of friends there and liked seeing people actually progress with making money online for the first time. There is no other forum that can really claim that honor.

      Kevin
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      • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
        Good to see so many John's forum members!

        Originally Posted by kevinflatt View Post

        I was a moderator on the XFactor forum and I can say that John nearly gave up the forum some time ago due to some people causing him headaches. These issues were resolved at the time. I also can vouch for the part about the sites being sold and the buyer taking it out on John for not receiving the websites.

        John admitted all along to us that he was "learning" when it came to running a forum and I felt he often took things a little too personally.

        Regarding the updated book, I suggested to John some time ago that he was being too much of a perfectionist and I guess that is the reason why the book has not materialized, but I do have to say (and I consider myself a friend of John's, so no hard feelings here) that I am surprised he looks like not keeping his word. I would of thought that with his usual integrity he would honor his promise.

        I too am going to miss the forum as I made a number of friends there and liked seeing people actually progress with making money online for the first time. There is no other forum that can really claim that honor.

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        • Profile picture of the author sinaloa
          It became apparent the forum was headed in a direction John did not anticipate, almost a life of it's own. In all fairness John didn't have a lot of options. Sure, it would have been more appropriate to notify members and make everything right, but when push turns to shove drastic actions are the order of the day.

          It's easy to point fingers and assign blame - it's a lot harder to sit back and try to empathize.

          He gave it a shot and things did not work out. Like we all haven't been there...

          No, I'm not defending John or his actions. Yes, I am extending some empathy. Heck, anyone of us could have the "finger of guilt" pointed at us at any time.

          Personally I am grateful for the cool people who were willing to share their successes and failures with the rest of us on the forum. The forum definitely helped me sharpen my marketing saw.
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      • Profile picture of the author GIGMAR
        Just give him some time! I'm sure hes is overwhelmed about the problem and the deception! When you start up something with hope and entusiasm and someone's actions make it fall...you know...
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  • Profile picture of the author thehobbster
    Man, some of you guys are twisted. It's obvious you associate money with evil. Not everything is a conspiracy or attempt to extort others. You expose your own thinking.
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    • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
      Ok. I knew a reply like that of hobster would come. I couldn't care less what others think, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

      All I will say is, I was one of the members of that forum that many followed regularly, was I a moderator?.......I don't know you tell me......

      Let me start by saying what has happened is very similar to what happened to john in the past. He had a forum before if I am not mistaken, and a coaching program..then disappeared off the face of the planet......

      As for John being a perfectionist, perhaps, but that doesn't mean it should take over a year to finish an ebook. I am not putting my opinion across to ridicule John, in fact, like i said I HAD respect for the man, but that was lost a while ago....

      Wait and see my friend, wait and see............................................
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  • Profile picture of the author thehobbster
    mbmehmet,

    I wasn't targeting you specifically, nor do I aim at calling you a liar. Not my intention at all. To clarify my stance...

    I once ran a successful forum. In fact it was my best money maker to date. Then two of my top members began warring. They started putting mutual friends in between each other, on the forums and in instant messenging. They turned the whole thing sour. Regular posters left. Then I got put in the middle of it. I eventually abandoned the forum.

    That's what I was getting at. I've seen this exact scenario, in fact, was a part of it. And I resolved it in the same fashion.
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  • Profile picture of the author clickbumped
    That sucks...I agree with a lot of you members should get together and try to get the site up again!
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    • Profile picture of the author scrapgirl42
      If someone gets a new forum together will you please pm me? I don't have enough posts here to send pm's.

      My 2 cents on the xfactor forum: Yes, many of us are members of the Warrior Forum, but what the xfactor forum had that this one didn't is a small, intimate group. It was easy to follow threads and when you asked a question it didn't get lost in the hundreds of threads being constantly updated. I felt like I could trust the members there - they have helped me and given advice to others that was beneficial as well. Plus, I really liked reading the successes, because they were so inspirational.

      I am disappointed the forum closed, I will miss it profoundly. Not only for the people, but for the trusted advice.

      To John - thank you a million times over. Before I read your book I had only made a couple of dollars with IM. Because of what I learned I now make a decent part time income (since I only do this part time). I have built on what you taught and applied it in my own way and it works - just like you promised. Thank you, thank you!
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      • Profile picture of the author 1byte
        I too appreciate the great info I got from John and others in the forum.

        However, closing the forum down so abruptly without a warning, or not even providing a way for us to access threads in a locked forum is unfair to the paid members of the forum. Yes, remember we did have to pay to join this forum and it was supposed to be a "lifetime" membership. I've been a member of that forum for only about 10 months. Not much of a lifetime membership as far as I'm concerned.

        This is indeed a very poor business decision on John's part, and one that will adversely affect all of us who count on the forum for invaluable information, mutual support, and encouragement.
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        • Profile picture of the author equity
          I could see this coming. I paid for the video series several months ago and decided after seeing the videos being delayed for so long that I would request a refund. I have been waiting for several weeks now for my refund but still haven't received a dime. John said his paypal account got "hacked" so i had to request the refund from paypal as he couldn't refund it.

          My opinion this guy has fallen on hard times and doesnt have the funds to pay people back. Not that he is dishonest at heart but he seems to have gotten himself in a bad situation. I personally think he should refund everyone their $ that paid to join the forum. I dont recall seeing anything when i signed up that the forum would only be open a certain period of time. I was under the impression that it was unlimited access to the forum I had paid for???

          I will be surprised if I ever see my $99 back i paid for the video series let alone to see him man up and pay back the fee for forum access.
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          • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
            Joesmo

            I totally agree with what you are saying. I am not on a personal crusade against john at all, but the truth of the matter is that what john taught is information widely available on the net, for free!

            Adsense abover the fold, clean layout...It's nothing magical. If anything what john had taught was the bare essentials. I feel alot of people on the forum are to blame to some extent for there naiveness.

            1 delay, 2 delay, 3 delays, 4 delays........ yet still many of the members were like " Dont worry john take care of this and that" ..."Its cool john you have gave anough value"...."Take it easy john no rush".....

            When someone stepped up to show some resentment or even comment on where his ebook was, you know what happened?

            THREADS DELETED
            ACCOUNTS CLOSED

            Plain & Simple...............................

            What makes it worse is that most of the community itself were so far up it's own ass, they were like personal bodyguards to john himself.. It was a joke.
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            • Profile picture of the author Radix
              Originally Posted by mbmehmet View Post

              Joesmo

              I totally agree with what you are saying. I am not on a personal crusade against john at all, but the truth of the matter is that what john taught is information widely available on the net, for free!

              Adsense abover the fold, clean layout...It's nothing magical. If anything what john had taught was the bare essentials. I feel alot of people on the forum are to blame to some extent for there naiveness.

              1 delay, 2 delay, 3 delays, 4 delays........ yet still many of the members were like " Dont worry john take care of this and that" ..."Its cool john you have gave anough value"...."Take it easy john no rush".....

              When someone stepped up to show some resentment or even comment on where his ebook was, you know what happened?

              THREADS DELETED
              ACCOUNTS CLOSED

              Plain & Simple...............................

              What makes it worse is that most of the community itself were so far up it's own ass, they were like personal bodyguards to john himself.. It was a joke.

              You're giving some pretty mixed signals and your "opinion" is starting to look like an agenda. People who had their accounts deleted from the forum essentially committed suicide. The rules were very clear and being a pest wasn't a right. No one ever had their account closed without due warning. Words mean something and if the owner of a forum warns you to stop doing something, you do have a choice, but you also have to live with that decision.
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              • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
                Radix

                It seems you have an agenda. Please do not tell me what happened in that forum and what didn't. Being a moderator I was privy to what was happening inside and out, so please do not patronise me.

                Unless you was there in the private section then please, please do not comment.

                I don't know why I waste my time to be honest. Do what you will....I would have loved to pass my opinion on to members of that forum way before it was closed but i knew 2 things, 1 my post would have been deleted or amended and 2 I would have probably lost my account.

                Regards Timbo
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                • Profile picture of the author Radix
                  Originally Posted by mbmehmet View Post

                  Radix

                  It seems you have an agenda. Please do not tell me what happened in that forum and what didn't. Being a moderator I was privy to what was happening inside and out, so please do not patronise me.

                  Unless you was there in the private section then please, please do not comment.

                  I don't know why I waste my time to be honest. Do what you will....I would have loved to pass my opinion on to members of that forum way before it was closed but i knew 2 things, 1 my post would have been deleted or amended and 2 I would have probably lost my account.

                  Regards Timbo
                  You were never a moderator there and I'm not patronizing you.

                  I'm calling you a liar plain and simple.

                  And you're not Timbo.
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                  • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
                    Lol. Think what you will. I guess your on johns payroll then. :-)
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                    • Profile picture of the author latinoman231982
                      Originally Posted by mbmehmet View Post

                      Lol. Think what you will. I guess your on johns payroll then. :-)
                      Mbmehmet

                      You clearly have some issues, perhaps a doctor is what you need. As for your claims to being a moderator, what a crock of S&*T, unless you are Timbo, which I somehow doubt.

                      I was one of the moderators for the forum, I am sure some forum member would vouch for that. I admit, it was unfortunate about how the forum closed and the endless delays to the updated ebook and video series, but hey life goes on.

                      Instead of wasting time tripping and starting a personal crusade maybe you should spend more time focusing on your business model.
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                      • Profile picture of the author clg21
                        Sad to see the forum go And I just started to get clicks on my website!

                        Anyway, if anyone is going to open up another forum, with the same intent and friendly atmosphere, please pm me. I really liked the fact that there was no real bashing or negativity on that forum. Everyone's intent was to help each other out and not get into a pissing contest. Egos were left at the door.
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                        • Profile picture of the author tradewiser
                          Since I'm not privy to what was going on behind the scenes the sudden closure of the forum was really disappointing for me to put it mildly.

                          Over the short lifespan of the forum I had bookmarked some really good threads and was planning this week to convert them to documents to store on my PC. Damn! Should have done this earlier.
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                          • Profile picture of the author 1byte
                            Originally Posted by tradewiser View Post

                            Since I'm not privy to what was going on behind the scenes the sudden closure of the forum was really disappointing for me to put it mildly.

                            Over the short lifespan of the forum I had bookmarked some really good threads and was planning this week to convert them to documents to store on my PC. Damn! Should have done this earlier.

                            There was some really good stuff on the forum, and I would also like to save some of it for my own reference. As a "lifetime paid member" of the forum (like the rest of you), I think it is quite inconsiderate and unfair for John "Xfactor" to shut us out so abruptly, without any way to access these threads.

                            Why can't we at least be allowed to go back to the forum and extract some of those great nuggets of information that are already there? That would be the equitable thing to do, considering we have all paid for access to the forum.


                            So John, lock the threads, close them to comments - I don't care - but just let us back in please!
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                      • Profile picture of the author Technologize
                        OK, so i paid for lifetime membership, and the forum is now closed, so where's the refund?

                        I don't think this is fair. No matter what happened, the responsibility is on John to at LEAST keep the forum running. I wasn't a active participant, and i left this method after G started clamping down on it, but really, to blame other members is a bit of a cop-out when John is responsible for:

                        1) Taking Money from people to access the forum
                        2) Maintaining that forum (Lifetime Membership)

                        I have nothing against John, but cmon, fairs fair, if you can't keep the forum up, refund the people who paid to access it. I feel sorry for people who spent hours posting on there!
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                        • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
                          Originally Posted by anteck View Post

                          OK, so i paid for lifetime membership, and the forum is now closed, so where's the refund?

                          I don't think this is fair. No matter what happened, the responsibility is on John to at LEAST keep the forum running. I wasn't a active participant, and i left this method after G started clamping down on it, but really, to blame other members is a bit of a cop-out when John is responsible for:

                          1) Taking Money from people to access the forum
                          2) Maintaining that forum (Lifetime Membership)

                          I have nothing against John, but cmon, fairs fair, if you can't keep the forum up, refund the people who paid to access it. I feel sorry for people who spent hours posting on there!
                          The forums are being re-opened (either officially, or 'semi-officially' at least).
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                        • Profile picture of the author 1byte
                          Originally Posted by anteck View Post

                          OK, so i paid for lifetime membership, and the forum is now closed, so where's the refund?

                          I don't think this is fair. No matter what happened, the responsibility is on John to at LEAST keep the forum running. I wasn't a active participant, and i left this method after G started clamping down on it, but really, to blame other members is a bit of a cop-out when John is responsible for:

                          1) Taking Money from people to access the forum
                          2) Maintaining that forum (Lifetime Membership)

                          I have nothing against John, but cmon, fairs fair, if you can't keep the forum up, refund the people who paid to access it. I feel sorry for people who spent hours posting on there!
                          Yeah, I've been harping about that on this thread and I was told I'm "beating a dead horse." :rolleyes: But I do agree, when you pay a fee for a "lifetime membership" I would expect that lifetime to last more than a few months...
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                            Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

                            Yeah, I've been harping about that on this thread and I was told I'm "beating a dead horse." :rolleyes: But I do agree, when you pay a fee for a "lifetime membership" I would expect that lifetime to last more than a few months...
                            Just to be clear, I told you were beating a dead horse when you kept talking about retrieving posts from something that was already deleted.

                            EDIT: Also, John posted that the forum would be reopened provided we all agreed to certain conditions (which are not unreasonable, imo). People can login to the X-Factor forum with their existing username to read the details. Summary version is in post #259.
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                • Profile picture of the author kevinflatt
                  Originally Posted by mbmehmet View Post

                  Radix

                  It seems you have an agenda. Please do not tell me what happened in that forum and what didn't. Being a moderator I was privy to what was happening inside and out, so please do not patronise me.

                  Unless you was there in the private section then please, please do not comment.

                  I don't know why I waste my time to be honest. Do what you will....I would have loved to pass my opinion on to members of that forum way before it was closed but i knew 2 things, 1 my post would have been deleted or amended and 2 I would have probably lost my account.

                  Regards Timbo
                  Timbo always defended John in the general forum and in the moderators area. John thanked him on occasions for defending him when threads got nasty and he came to his rescue. Timbo was usually the first to alert John to possible troublemakers.

                  Therefore, unless Timbo has a really bad identity crisis, YOU are not timbo.

                  Kevin
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                  • Profile picture of the author secretjustin
                    Despite my inclination to post on this subject... Kevin is right about this guy not being Timbo (Timbo knows about this jokers post). A few moderators & members have kept close since the closure.

                    I'm sure there will be others who need to feel special. If someone contacts you claiming they are a moderator from the forum, use some discretion.

                    -Peace
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                    • Profile picture of the author kislany
                      What the guys said. Timbo is not the one who claims he is. If I'd dare a guess...I'd say the guy is...hm...

                      Btw, Kevin, if you ever get some more info on the subject we were talking through pm, please feel free to contact me here, so I can give you my email addy directly to forward those kinds of notes to me if you ever get some more. My research on the subject continues and those email forwards on the subject were quite useful...
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                      • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
                        You mean the guy is , AW?

                        Originally Posted by kislany View Post

                        What the guys said. Timbo is not the one who claims he is. If I'd dare a guess...I'd say the guy is...hm...

                        Btw, Kevin, if you ever get some more info on the subject we were talking through pm, please feel free to contact me here, so I can give you my email addy directly to forward those kinds of notes to me if you ever get some more. My research on the subject continues and those email forwards on the subject were quite useful...
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                  • Profile picture of the author alvanpilot
                    Originally Posted by kevinflatt View Post

                    Timbo always defended John in the general forum and in the moderators area. John thanked him on occasions for defending him when threads got nasty and he came to his rescue. Timbo was usually the first to alert John to possible troublemakers.

                    Therefore, unless Timbo has a really bad identity crisis, YOU are not timbo.

                    Kevin
                    Right on Kevin! I agree 100%. It only makes sense that what you are saying is "true". Timbo was definitely a friend of John's.
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                    • Profile picture of the author scrapgirl42
                      Thanks to Kevin for keeping me updated as well. Because of my post number I can't pm here yet either so please keep me posted on updates. Now if this were the xfactor forum I would have plenty of posts - I really liked hanging out there
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                      • Profile picture of the author alvanpilot
                        Hi Scrapgirl! YEP, I do remember you too!!! Hopefully we all can make this happen.
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                        • Profile picture of the author scrapgirl42
                          It is good to see old friends here. I am excited to have a new home
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                          • Profile picture of the author Jacqui
                            Please include me on the list for the new forum.

                            Thanks!
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                  • Profile picture of the author alvanpilot
                    Hey Timbo!

                    What's happenning brother? If by chance you see these discussions, it would be super great if you came forward and gave us a quick HI!

                    And, put the FAKE timbo to rest...........PERMANENTLY!
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            • Profile picture of the author alvanpilot
              Iam not going to say you were not a moderator. No, you are just a straight out plain and simple liar.

              As per your own statement:
              I totally agree with what you are saying. I am not on a personal crusade against john at all, but the truth of the matter is that what john taught is information widely available on the net, for free!

              Adsense abover the fold, clean layout...It's nothing magical. If anything what john had taught was the bare essentials.


              If what YOU said above is true, WHY would YOu also get John's ebook and/or join the forum.

              YOU ARE A LIAR AND ALL OF US ARE SEEING RIGHT THROUGH YOU.

              The best thing you can do is simply be a "MAN" and go away quietly and respectfully.

              This is just MHO!

              Just like my old man told me years ago:

              It is MUCH better for a man to keep his mouth shut and let people believe he is a fool ..RATHER than open it and let them "KNOW" he is a fool.
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                • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
                  Kevin, I did get impression that alvanpilot is talking about mbmehmet, not about Radix... It seems he just forgot to write mbmehmet.




                  Originally Posted by kevinflatt View Post

                  @ alvanpilot

                  Cool down.

                  mbmehmet said that NOT Radix who you seem to be attacking. Radix has already dealt with that and called him a liar and I also had my say on the matter. mbmehmet has not posted since.

                  Take it easy, Radix is just trying to be helpful, although in a slightly belittling manner perhaps.

                  We all wish it were "that damn simple". Nobody would of needed to buy the book or join the forum.

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                  • Profile picture of the author kevinflatt
                    Originally Posted by buzzpoint View Post

                    Kevin, I did get impression that alvanpilot is talking about mbmehmet, not about Radix... It seems he just forgot to write mbmehmet.
                    I know, but his comment is 2 pages later and he said; "If what YOU said above is true" which could easily look like referring to the post above his.

                    We kinda lost mbmehmet on the first page so let's forget his comments - they were purely vindictive towards John and come from a rather twisted mind.

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                    • Profile picture of the author kevinflatt
                      Hi Everyone,

                      I will consider reopening the forum, so long as there are some major
                      changes that I have to do, as well as figure out a way to protect myself
                      from certain people.
                      John,

                      Whatever you have to do if it reopens the forum there will be a lot of very happy people. I, like someone else said, liked to follow the success stories like smr1968 and the others.

                      I also enjoyed helping people, especially the newbies, plus I also learned from other people's experiences and successes.

                      As for people not liking rules - all forums have rules and they are there to be adhered to or else they are out.

                      Maybe you should allow your mods to act more like the ones here on the WF such as Paul Myers by taking a no nonsense stand when necessary and they can face the heat instead of always referring every issue to you as we did previously.

                      As the forum would be reopened as a favour to the old members NO refunds should apply anymore except coaching videos if applicable.

                      I am trying to encourage you, John, to consider opening the forum once again as it has helped a lot of people, especially before the new forum gets past testing and is in full motion.

                      I have nothing against the new forum idea if you are not going to reopen yours.

                      Pick your moderators and have a lengthy discussion with them in order to get as much input as possible regarding things that can be done to remove the pressure off of you.

                      I also have to say that 98% of the posts in this thread, with the exception of mbmehmet, are actually possitive, except regarding the sudden closure of the forum with no email or warning. Most have expressed dissapointment and their desire for a replacement forum and have not truly been negative about you.

                      I will pm you about something that is really puzzling me about the new forum.

                      EDIT: Timbo just cleared up what I was going to PM you about

                      Anyway, whichever way you choose to go, I wish you the best John.

                      Kevin
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                      • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
                        Yes, I totally agree with Kevin, John. You should reopen the forum as it was really helping a lot of people. Let Mods to handle the stuff.


                        Originally Posted by kevinflatt View Post

                        John,

                        Whatever you have to do if it reopens the forum there will be a lot of very happy people. I, like someone else said, liked to follow the success stories like smr1968 and the others.

                        I also enjoyed helping people, especially the newbies, plus I also learned from other people's experiences and successes.

                        As for people not liking rules - all forums have rules and they are there to be adhered to or else they are out.

                        Maybe you should allow your mods to act more like the ones here on the WF such as Paul Myers by taking a no nonsense stand when necessary and they can face the heat instead of always referring every issue to you as we did previously.

                        As the forum would be reopened as a favour to the old members NO refunds should apply anymore except coaching videos if applicable.

                        I am trying to encourage you, John, to consider opening the forum once again as it has helped a lot of people, especially before the new forum gets past testing and is in full motion.

                        I have nothing against the new forum idea if you are not going to reopen yours.

                        Pick your moderators and have a lengthy discussion with them in order to get as much input as possible regarding things that can be done to remove the pressure off of you.

                        I also have to say that 98% of the posts in this thread, with the exception of mbmehmet, are actually possitive, except regarding the sudden closure of the forum with no email or warning. Most have expressed dissapointment and their desire for a replacement forum and have not truly been negative about you.

                        I will pm you about something that is really puzzling me about the new forum.

                        EDIT: Timbo just cleared up what I was going to PM you about

                        Anyway, whichever way you choose to go, I wish you the best John.

                        Kevin
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                  • Profile picture of the author alvanpilot
                    Originally Posted by buzzpoint View Post

                    Kevin, I did get impression that alvanpilot is talking about mbmehmet, not about Radix... It seems he just forgot to write mbmehmet.
                    Hey Buzzpoint!

                    Thanks so much for clarifying my statement. You are absolutely correct. I should have specified that my post was directed at mbmehmet. NOT Radix.

                    Infact, I have already had a PM with Radix.

                    I am sorry that I wasn't more specific.
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          • Profile picture of the author Trin
            I requested and received a refund from John for my forum membership within 24 hours. I had only belonged to his forum a a short while.
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          • Profile picture of the author Llola
            Originally Posted by equity View Post

            .... I personally think he should refund everyone their $ that paid to join the forum. I dont recall seeing anything when i signed up that the forum would only be open a certain period of time. I was under the impression that it was unlimited access to the forum I had paid for....
            I feel the same way. A lot of people paid for Lifetime access to the forum and now that's been taken away. Not cool.
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            • Profile picture of the author Valerie V
              I'm guessing that "lifetime" membership would mean we have access
              for the lifetime of the forum - however long that may be, not access to the forum for our lifetime, lol. Nothing lasts forever...

              In any case, it really is too bad. I do feel that I got plenty of value out of all this though, mostly from the forum community - new tips and ideas, etc. and really did enjoy the pleasant atmosphere.

              I like the idea of having access to the existing threads and info there, even if it's all locked down - and maybe even the PM system so those who established relationships could get in touch... maybe John will eventually set that up...?

              I haven't requested a refund on the video series, but may do so. My only concern was reading that John would go ahead and "schedule" our refunds. What does that mean?
              Has anyone requested and received a refund on the video series?
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              • Profile picture of the author Llola
                Originally Posted by Valerie V View Post

                I'm guessing that "lifetime" membership would mean we have access
                for the lifetime of the forum - however long that may be, not access to the forum for our lifetime, lol. Nothing lasts forever...
                LOL.

                I would think "Lifetime" membership would mean I could stay with the forum until the forum died a slow natural death. If I had known the plug could and would be pulled at anytime by John I probably would not have joined or recommended the forum to others.
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          • Profile picture of the author tradewiser
            Originally Posted by equity View Post

            I could see this coming. I paid for the video series several months ago and decided after seeing the videos being delayed for so long that I would request a refund. I have been waiting for several weeks now for my refund but still haven't received a dime. John said his paypal account got "hacked" so i had to request the refund from paypal as he couldn't refund it..
            If what you are saying is correct then this doesn't bode well for me. I paid for the video project in February through PayPal and asked John for a refund 3 days ago. Still no response.
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  • Profile picture of the author latinoman231982
    Hey radix

    I have sent you an email ;-)

    Bob
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    • Profile picture of the author alvanpilot
      Just gotta say that it is simply astounding and wonderful to see so many friends from Xfactor Forum, here on Warrior Forum!

      Good to see all you guys again. Seriously!

      Maybe we can salvage this in some way?
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  • Profile picture of the author erazer
    Originally Posted by kevinflatt View Post

    I was a moderator on the XFactor forum...
    Kevin, if you are in touch with the other mods, I would ask you guys to take the initiative to recover the data and help start a new forum or even a group right here in the WF. It was very helpful to have a focused community that shared their experiences and where 99% of the contributions were made by members themselves, not John.

    I really think that John's book taught me the IM equivalent of riding a bike and that there is little that can be added to it besides our personal experiences and responses to changes in the IM world. The basics won't change as John himself said many times--there's only one way to ride a bike and once you've got it, you've got it. The only things left are the so-called "secrets" that experience brings--how to go 0.05 MPH faster, which by lanes to avoid, which saddles are best, what tire pressure to use going uphill etc. if you get my drift. This is how a tight community becomes valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author calfred
    I vouch for the idea of starting a new forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author evynsdad
      Please keep me in the loop as well regarding a new forum, section, whatever. There's no reason we couldn't generate the same type of helpful, mutually supportive atmosphere in another venue.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Valerie V
        Originally Posted by evynsdad View Post

        ...There's no reason we couldn't generate the same type of helpful, mutually supportive atmosphere in another venue.
        Agreed! Please let me know if I can help

        Valerie
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        • Profile picture of the author noobie
          I really don't want to think badly of John. He always came accross as an honest and sincere sort of fellow. "The Real Deal". John was always free with his helpful comments and insights and set the tone for the rest of us on the form.

          He may not have known anything about running a membership forum as has been quoted but he made the Adsensemasters Forum an oaisis of sorts. A really friendly and respectful information packed respite whose members gave freely of their knowledge to gurus and neophites alike that I am sure helped everyone is some way.

          The moderators are to be complimented as well for the many selfless hours and time they gave to help make the Forum a success.

          And now it is gone...
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          • Profile picture of the author 1byte
            Originally Posted by noobie View Post

            I really don't want to think badly of John. He always came accross as an honest and sincere sort of fellow. "The Real Deal". John was always free with his helpful comments and insights and set the tone for the rest of us on the form.

            He may not have known anything about running a membership forum as has been quoted but he made the Adsensemasters Forum an oaisis of sorts. A really friendly and respectful information packed respite whose members gave freely of their knowledge to gurus and neophites alike that I am sure helped everyone is some way.

            The moderators are to be complimented as well for the many selfless hours and time they gave to help make the Forum a success.

            And now it is gone...
            Well, I don't (or didn't) want to think badly of John either. He did provide lots of inspiration, encouragement, and helpful insights to many people, including me, and I thank him for that.

            However, that does not negate the fact that he has essentially abandoned all of us, without warning or even a "heads up" that he would be shutting things down within a certain timeframe.

            And for that, I'm rather ticked off, to put it mildly.

            I'm not trying to second guess John here, because I don't know everything going on with his life. We all face stress and complications that are hard to quantify objectively. I understand the stress of running a business, and know how difficult things can get when dealing with people.

            But we can't just cut-and-run everytime there's a little "heat in the kitchen." There must certainly be a better way to handle business than just shutting it down when things don't go the way we expect.

            Why couldn't John have taken a break for a time, and let his moderators run the forum for a while? That would have been preferable to completely shutting it down and destroying the "xfactor adsense franchise" he built up over the last couple of years.

            From my own personal experience, when I get to the place where I can't "see the forest for the trees," it's time to step back, catch my breath, say a prayer, and regain my bearings before I end up making hasty decisions that will adversely affect myself and other people.
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            • Profile picture of the author 1byte
              I've received some PM's from members here but I can't reply because I don't have 50 posts here yet. Please keep me in the loop for any developments.

              Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author 3afash
    Count me in as well and please PM me if a new forum is created.
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    • Profile picture of the author CanuckWarrior
      So do any of the former mods know if the ebook update is coming, or is it dead in the water?

      Btw, I'm rather ticked that the "lifetime membership" that wasn't. Kind of like an all you can eat buffet that only allows one plate because "sorry, that's all you can eat".

      And I'd be uber cranked if the update suddenly appeared on Clickbank (unless he used the proceeds to refund every member who bought a LIFETIME membership in good faith.
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      • Profile picture of the author inter123
        I am really dissapointed that I did not join the forum. It would have benefitted a great deal, I was under the impression, Xfactor was not taking on any more members (this was 6 months ago). I would love to join a similar forum, perhaps it can even be done here?
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        • Profile picture of the author schnisz
          Ah, bummer. Please include me in any future ventures.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cosmo Demopoulos
    I was there from the beginning and am interested going forward.

    John indicated at the start the forum was something he wasn't super comfortable with the Forum idea, and many would freak on getting nasty letters from lawyers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cosmo Demopoulos
    Hmmm, maybe the mods here would give us an Xfactor area? I see no reason why not.
    Then again, sometimes I'm kind of thick
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    What forums(categories/forum names) made up his forum? I have a vbulletin forum setup on a Spanish IM domain name with no traffic. Maybe I can set it up for you guys.
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    • Profile picture of the author Radix
      A new forum has already been created and is currently being tested by former xfactor members and moderators. It should be ready shortly, but we will not be posting the link here out of respect for WF.

      There are more details, but this isn't really the proper place to present those.

      Please do not load up my inbox with messages...seriously don't. We've been keeping track of those interested thus far and we will send you the info you need.
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      • Profile picture of the author CanuckWarrior
        Originally Posted by Radix View Post

        A new forum has already been created and is currently being tested by former xfactor members and moderators. It should be ready shortly, but we will not be posting the link here out of respect for WF.

        There are more details, but this isn't really the proper place to present those.

        Please do not load up my inbox with messages...seriously don't. We've been keeping track of those interested thus far and we will send you the info you need.
        Awesome! Please put me down on the notification list as well.

        And make sure you ban the 2 boneheads who involved the rest of us in their idiocy by having the site closed in the first place.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gav567
        Please put me on the list.

        Thanks,

        Gav.
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        • Profile picture of the author noobie
          Please include me on that list also.
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      • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
        Radix.. Keep me in the loop too!


        Originally Posted by Radix View Post

        A new forum has already been created and is currently being tested by former xfactor members and moderators. It should be ready shortly, but we will not be posting the link here out of respect for WF.

        There are more details, but this isn't really the proper place to present those.

        Please do not load up my inbox with messages...seriously don't. We've been keeping track of those interested thus far and we will send you the info you need.
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      • Profile picture of the author Banshu Ben
        Originally Posted by Radix View Post

        A new forum has already been created and is currently being tested by former xfactor members and moderators. It should be ready shortly, but we will not be posting the link here out of respect for WF.

        There are more details, but this isn't really the proper place to present those.

        Please do not load up my inbox with messages...seriously don't. We've been keeping track of those interested thus far and we will send you the info you need.
        Hi Radix,

        Please PM me when you get this new forum started...

        Thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author JT Philips
        As an previous xfactor forum member please add me to your notification list - thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
        Hi john,

        I am glad to hear from you, and to know there may be a chance to have your great forum back. I found there lots of useful information, and it would be a shame to loose all this. Both ebook and forum worth well their money, they worth gold, and I consider the new coming ebook just a delicious bonus, not something you owe me. So I feel fortunate I found your thread at warrior forum and decided to buy your ebook and to join the forum.

        I am not making a full income yet (I bought your ebook and joined the forum recently ), I am just making a few cents per day, but I know that If I keep following the book I will get there and will change my life, all thanks to you.

        I am sorry to hear about all the problems some jerks got you into, this is really a nasty situation. I just hope you find a way to protect yourself and your business from such people.

        You have my 100% support, like all the loyal x-factor members I could find on this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author mekus@mekus.com
          How Exciting! OK - I have to go and pack my bags. There may be a grand re-opening that I intend on going to - the Xfactor forum. Don't want to miss it.
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        • Profile picture of the author inter123
          I never joined the forum. I want to now having read on this thread what a fantastic place it is. How does one join up when it gets underway again?

          J
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          • Profile picture of the author lucifero666
            Hi Radix,
            if you'll "reopen" the forum, my Id is the same as the one on the old xfactor forum....what a waste..damn...there was a goldmine in the forum...and the presence of John was Great...John please, reopen the forum!!!....the camaradism in the forum was really AWESOME...everyone posting his own experience....this help me a lot during my growing online business....tnx again for this...and now it's time to make a rebirth for all this..i hope you'll make THE RIGHT CHOICE: open a new warm house where everyone can grow inside again and in the WEBmarketing...good evening all.
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            • Profile picture of the author scrapgirl42
              I hope I am already on the list, but if not my user name is the same here as it was there.

              I hope this pans out - I really miss the information I got from that forum. Although I will say I have got a lot more work done since I am not spending all my times reading the posts
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  • Profile picture of the author stepman77
    I, also, am very interested in any new forum. I was a member of the forum since Feb. and I've been really distressing about losing it when I remembered that checking on WF would be a good idea!

    That forum made the difference between me making money and not, it's thanks to that community (plus the course, obviously)that I'm now where I am.
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  • Profile picture of the author Azlan
    hello friends

    just be careful before you join another forum claiming that there are from the john's forum...

    - azlan
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    • Profile picture of the author zapata
      Put me on the list also, if you can get one off the ground--even if it's not a "lifetime" membership :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
    Please keep me in the loop. Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnS
      Please add me to the notification list.

      I've been busy and it had been a few weeks since I had last visited the forum, so I wasn't sure when it was closed down. I figured a quick check at WF would provide the info I needed!
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      • Profile picture of the author morris451
        Please add me to the notification list if/when you get up and running.
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        • Profile picture of the author evynsdad
          Hi Kevin,

          I think I turned on the "friend" functionality, not sure. I cannot respond to your PM because I don't have 50 posts here yet and until I have 15 posts, can't send friend request! But I do receive PMs. Please send info I should have re: the forum. If you send me an email address, I'll also send you mine. (Don't want to post it publicly). Thanks for helping get this all set up.
          Best, Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author lucifero666
            Hey Radix,
            please put me in the list ...tnx in advance....Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Ibex
      Hi

      Could you count me in please.

      Thanks

      Ibex
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      • Profile picture of the author Bob A
        If there is going to be a new forum please count me in also.


        Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    I was also a member of the forum, and am disapointed that it is closed and John didnt mail members and tell them.

    If you start up a new one please let me know.

    One way you can tell if people were paying members of the original paying forum is for them to send a copy of their Paypal reciept
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    • Profile picture of the author keyaziz
      Hi,

      I would appreciate knowing abou the new forum too. I enjoyed the last - its good to have a forum focused on what you are doing to earn some money as it keeps you focused even when taking a break.
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      • Profile picture of the author sonas
        As a member of the old forum I also support the idea of setting up a new one.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesM
    I wasn't a member of the original forum, and never read the original book, although I put into practice much of what John posted in his original thread. I had intended to join the forum when the updated book was released, but it looks like I'll never get the chance now.

    While I appreciate that any reincarnation of the forum shouldn't necessarily be open to all-and-sundry, mandating membership of the old forum is a great way to ensure that no "new blood" enters the ecosystem, which will likely result in a downward spiral of membership numbers and the quality of discussion.

    I suggest that if you're setting up a new forum that isn't a read-only copy of existing content (i.e. you want new threads, discussion and ideas) then you find a way to allow new members to join. One thought that I had myself was to allow War Room members entry gratis - that way you're not directly competing with the WF and are less likely to *&$% off the guys over here. In all honesty, I can't see that WF wants a dedicated Xfactor forum here, so having a (complementary) place for discussion elsewhere would be beneficial for all concerned.

    As for financing the project and keeping it somewhat "exclusive", if none of the original content is going to be available then I don't see the problem in the new owners/mods charging their own membership fee. Members of the old forum could be given free access, but new members could join as well. I'd be more than happy to pay for access as I was only holding back until the updated book was released (glad I did). If the quality of the discussions were as good as this thread seems to suggest I'd probably pay just for access to archived posts! On the other hand, as we all know, there is more than one way to monetize and finance a forum.

    I'm sure that someone will figure it out, but if I can be of any assistance, let me know via PM. I'm a developer/coder by trade, so maybe I can help out somewhere along the line.

    Lastly, if and when a new forum is available please be sure to let me know
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    • Profile picture of the author DiMcdonald
      Radix . Please let me know about the new forum too
      I have been there since january and would love to be part of the new one

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      • Profile picture of the author luckyjim2000
        Hi,

        I was a member of the old forum and learnt a lot. I paid for the book, forum and video series. Would join straight away.

        Has anyone close to John(xFactor) spoken to him regarding the closure. It was really unlike him to do this especially as he was so close (his words) to finishing the book and video's. I really hope he will up the anti and finish the projects he began. If not I'm not sure anybody will put thier trust in him again.

        luckyjim

        p.s. Hope John your reading this thread
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        • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
          Originally Posted by luckyjim2000 View Post

          Hi,

          I was a member of the old forum and learnt a lot. I paid for the book, forum and video series. Would join straight away.

          Has anyone close to John(xFactor) spoken to him regarding the closure. It was really unlike him to do this especially as he was so close (his words) to finishing the book and video's. I really hope he will up the anti and finish the projects he began. If not I'm not sure anybody will put thier trust in him again.

          luckyjim

          p.s. Hope John your reading this thread
          Yep, he's still planning on releasing the new book (I e-mailed him after the forum closed, and in-part he said: "Yes I will be finishing my second book for release, but when exactly is not concrete yet.")

          As for the video project, the forums say: "I do have over 300 video clips taken throughout a 14 week period. Although it was my first video project and the clips are all over the place, I have them all off to a professional editor to hopefully salvage them into a legible, communicative product. He should be finished mid-September but if you'd like a refund now then please contact me and I'll schedule it for you."

          So yep, it looks like it's all going ahead as planned (albeit with delays, which has already been discussed in this thread so I won't delve further into that )
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      • Profile picture of the author mexiken
        I would like to be added to the list of folks who are sad (and disappointed) to see John's forum go. I would like to think/hope that it might come back if and when the legal issues get resolved, but I seriously doubt it. I believe John is a good guy, full of good intentions, but that the forum turned into a beast that was more than he bargained for.

        I remember him being reluctant to open it in the first place, for fear of it getting messy and... well, apparently he was right. Although I must say, from my perspective, the moderators did a good job and from the outside it all seemed to run quite well. Of course any kind of threat of legal action is enough to turn someone sour, but, as the attorney in the early part of this thread suggests (as well as basic common sense), I find it hard to believe John would have any liability in the issue at hand. Nonetheless, it is understandably frustrating to want to offer help and get dragged into something ugly.

        I do wish he had handled the closing of the forum differently, and am particularly disappointed that even the moderators seem to have been taken by surprise. As volunteers and (I assume) people who had a somewhat more personal relationship with John, I would have thought they would have received a bit more information.

        In any case, I would love to be added to a list to be updated about an alternate forum. I didn't post much over there, but enjoyed browsing through the threads and always got a feeling there was a good community of folks that were eager to help each other out.

        Here's to hoping that community hasn't been completely eliminated by some d!psh!t lawyers...

        mexiken
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        • Profile picture of the author bcmwp
          Please add me to this list as well. This is (was?) gmfan.
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          • Profile picture of the author alvanpilot
            HEY gmfan!

            Just wanted to say HI! it's really good to see so many fellow and sister Xfactor Forum members here also.
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  • Profile picture of the author fishman9444
    Add me too. I was "fishman" on there.
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Stormdrum
      Please notify me too about a new forum. I was a long time member of John's forum
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  • Profile picture of the author nbt321
    Radix or anyone else please put me on the list.
    Thank you,
    Les
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    Since this is taken care of, I retract my offer. I had it done the same day
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  • Profile picture of the author bluefoot
    Hi Radix,

    I was a member of the Xfactor forum also and would appreciate having the info about the new forum.

    Thanks,
    Phil B
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Good to see the active interest in starting up a new forum. I think it's a good idea to include those who have already paid for the previous forum (with proof of payment of course), and charge a modest membership fee for newcomers.

      I can see this new forum as the Phoenix that rises from the ashes of the old one. Who knows, maybe it will even be better than before!
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    Please add me to the notification list.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandRat
    I've always found that forums around a specific product is where the rubber meets the road and what makes the purchase of the product really worth it.

    So Radix, please drop me a dime when the forum is ready.
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Hi Everyone,

      I will consider reopening the forum, so long as there are some major
      changes that I have to do, as well as figure out a way to protect myself
      from certain people.

      I cannot reply to all posts here but I will say that many replies are the
      typical types of mob-mentality posts that my forum worked VERY hard
      to avoid - and it appears to have been successful in that department.


      As An Owner

      To put all of the controversy to rest, I'll tell you guys exactly what was
      the build-up to the closing.

      While the inside of the forum was an AMAZING place to be a part of,
      as the man running it, it has been the most stressful business venture
      I've ever been a part of.

      I never shared any of this, nor should I because it's just negative
      experiences. I didn't want to whine, nor do I want others whining (A
      MAJOR forum rule by the way).


      The Private Events From This Forum

      - I've had my paypal account broken into by an ex-member of my forum.
      I know exactly who this is because of IP address. This happened recently
      and thousands of dollars were spent.

      - I've had my home and family threatened by another previous banned
      member of the forum. As the duty of keeping the forum clean, people
      get banned now and again. When a person like this emails me and says
      they live "just around the corner" and says "Don't let me dare see you
      or your kids in public" - that is enough right there!

      - I was also getting at least half a dozen angry emails (daily) from forum members
      that really say that I "owed" them coaching for charging $47-$67 forum fee,
      and that I'm not posting enough. I enjoyed helping people but when I'm called
      an "Asshole" & "Cheap" because I will not answer 15 emails in a day, and on
      every step of someone's business because they paid for the forum, well - it
      becomes hard to wake up and want to check my email.

      - Then the legal stuff - which I know is no big deal - it just pushed me over
      the edge. A cease and desist is no big deal - I know, but the
      bridge was already bending and this was the last thing that broke it.

      - And the worst part, which really saddens me - is reading all of the posts on
      this warrior thread of how terrible I am for having put up with it all and
      not being able to carry it on any longer.


      Re-Opening The Forum

      I'm still considering this.

      And I am going back and forth with one of my mods, Timbo, who, like the
      other few mods I have, is an excellent human being and soul - and cares
      about everyone in a way that started me in creating the forum to begin
      with.

      There is a lot to personally heal from and much that I would need to
      enforce (more rules), and people do not like rules.

      - John
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      • Profile picture of the author jlady
        Thanks John for replying. Running a forum has got to be extremely stressful and a huge commitment for anyone to take on.

        I also feel offering a course is also challenging and I would never do it, there are always going to be people (including myself) who ask non stop sometimes seemingly stupid questions and expect fast responses. And if you are successful with your offer, I would imagine it to be a full time job just to keep up with that end of it.

        I did enjoy the forum and do hope you reopen or at least someone does. But I would understand if you didn't.
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        • Profile picture of the author scrapgirl42
          Thanks for your response John. I for one enjoyed the feeling of the xfactor forum and I really felt like I got good, trusted advice. I would be more than happy if the forum reopened.

          But, I also understand your concern for your family and your business - that is the most important. Thanks so much for being upfront about it.

          Most importantly, thanks for all you have taught me through your course and the forum. I sincerely believe I would have given up this journey long ago if it weren't for those two things - the best two things I have invested in for my business. Money well spend - I got far more than I paid for!
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          • Profile picture of the author clg21
            Thanks John for clearing things up. It's unfortunate that there are a certain few who ruin it for everyone else.

            Hang in there, buddy. Do what you think is right for you.

            Carlo
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      • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post


        There is a lot to personally heal from and much that I would need to
        enforce (more rules), and people do not like rules.

        - John
        I am not a member of your forum but did encourage others to give you the benefit of the doubt as you have built a strong foundation through your posts and reputation. I am sorry to hear what you have been through as there are some psychopaths out there. Make sure you make the right decision for yourself and your family ... good luck.
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        • Profile picture of the author Doug Miller
          John,

          Thanks for letting everyone in on the crap that you had to put up with. I am sure that the amount of time that you spent in writing your e-book, then setting up the form along with all of the bulls@@t and worries that it gave you, you could have made more money with building up your sites.

          To have some ass threaten you and your family would do it for me. All you were doing was sharing your knowledge. Sure you charged for it, but who would not have. Your time is well worth the amount that you charged and more.

          It is a shame that when some people pay for something that they want your blood. And not just some of it, but all of it. I really do not know if I was in your shoes if I would even bother to reopen the form.

          I do know that it was one of the best forms that I had ever been on. A lot of people do miss it. I would like to see it reopen, but if you do decide not to, well I really do not blame you.

          I hope to that you are able to prosecute the scum that hacked your paypal account too.

          The best to you and your family

          Rufus (form name)
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      • Profile picture of the author Banshu Ben
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        And I am going back and forth with one of my mods, Timbo, who, like the
        other few mods I have, is an excellent human being and soul - and cares
        about everyone in a way that started me in creating the forum to begin
        with.

        I would need to enforce (more rules), and people do not like rules.
        John,

        Good to hear from you. Sorry about all that crap you have to deal with... I guess it is just part of being successful.

        I love more rules, and those that don't abide by it just gets banned from the forum.

        I would suggest to have Timbo (Missoura) be more like a Paul Myers from WF - let him be the Enforcer, he is someone who could probably deal with the threats, although his avatar would probably scare most people anyway.

        I say just fight back because you got tons of followers to back you up.

        O.K., I also have my motives for wanting more rules and more forum-rule enforcers.... I can't wait to read Steve's update on his $200 target... It's like one of those TV dramas where you just can't wait to watch the next episode.

        Peace, Love and Mahalo Bro'
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        • Profile picture of the author CanuckWarrior
          Originally Posted by Banshu Ben View Post

          I would suggest to have Timbo (Missoura) be more like a Paul Myers from WF - let him be the Enforcer, he is someone who could probably deal with the threats, although his avatar would probably scare most people anyway.
          LOL ... yeah what was with that avatar anyway?

          I always pictured some guy sitting in a crypt with a laptop and wi-fi connection building sites.

          Great idea though John, if you reopen the site, lay down the law and let the mods enforce it.
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          • Profile picture of the author lloyd02
            I'd like to be advised if the forum re-opens. I was "lloyd" in the old forum.

            I know what to do to make money with adsense now, but just being part of the forum where other people were doing the same thing helped motivate me.

            lloyd
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            • Profile picture of the author Radix
              It's nice to see folks showing some support for John and I'm going to try really hard not to turn this into a negative, but shame on some of you.

              You watched one of your own from the WF transform his knowledge and experience into something marketable. The funny thing is he gave it all away for free before he ever condensed it into a product.

              What complete ******* would do that?

              I hope everyone learns something from this. There is no shortage of con-artists here and on every IM message board. But to look at John's body of work and make the determination that he is simply after your wallets and purses is beyond absurd.

              If I had to put a value on the amount of money John has personally saved me and helped me earn, it would be close to $25,000.

              That's in less than a year
              part time
              with less than 20 sites
              starting from zero

              That is employing his strategies, using his advice here and by learning from others on his forum.

              It's that damn simple.

              If the first thing that popped into your mind while reading that was, "I wonder if Radix can help me or if he has a book," that's the mindset that creates this ridiculous behavior here and on every IM forum. The information is everywhere and from people you can trust. John is one of those people and yet here we are.

              That's all I have to say about that.
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      • Profile picture of the author clickbump
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        Re-Opening The Forum

        I'm still considering this.

        And I am going back and forth with one of my mods, Timbo, who, like the
        other few mods I have, is an excellent human being and soul - and cares
        about everyone in a way that started me in creating the forum to begin
        with.

        - John
        I've expressed my feelings and support privately to John and to Timbo, but just want to go on record that I believe he's earned the right to make the decision, whatever it is, that's in his best interest.

        It would be a major loss for those of use who were a part of it, and remain so. Lots of us have become friends inside and outside the forum and continue to support and encourage one another because we came together with a common purpose, inspired by John's willingness to share. And the main reason for that is the fact that he cultivated a spirit of honest sharing and teaching there, and here.

        Despite his mentors warning him he'd regret the headaches involved in running a forum, he felt it was needed to help others grow in their understanding of what he knew well. And so he did it, but it was much more for "us" than for him.
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        • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
          You've just said it!!

          Originally Posted by clickbump View Post


          It would be a major loss for those of use who were a part of it, and remain so. Lots of us have become friends inside and outside the forum and continue to support and encourage one another because we came together with a common purpose, inspired by John's willingness to share. And the main reason for that is the fact that he cultivated a spirit of honest sharing and teaching within the fragile walls of that forum.

          Despite his mentors telling him he'd regret the headaches involved in running a forum, he felt it was needed to help others grow in their understanding of what he knew well. And so he did it, but it was much more for "us" than for him.
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      • Profile picture of the author keyaziz
        Wow...that is truly sad to know that you had to go through all of that. It never fails to amaze me how people can be.

        Thank you for sharing and I am sorry that things have went that way.

        I always knew you were a good person regardless of this explanation. Someone who oozes ethics through their business and is always talking about doing what feels goods and right - well that is enough for me to believe.

        It will be a shame if the forum isn't reopened - but now knowing the amount of crap you have had to deal with I would totally understand. I just can't believe that people would do that to you.

        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        Hi Everyone,

        I will consider reopening the forum, so long as there are some major
        changes that I have to do, as well as figure out a way to protect myself
        from certain people.

        I cannot reply to all posts here but I will say that many replies are the
        typical types of mob-mentality posts that my forum worked VERY hard
        to avoid - and it appears to have been successful in that department.


        As An Owner

        To put all of the controversy to rest, I'll tell you guys exactly what was
        the build-up to the closing.

        While the inside of the forum was an AMAZING place to be a part of,
        as the man running it, it has been the most stressful business venture
        I've ever been a part of.

        I never shared any of this, nor should I because it's just negative
        experiences. I didn't want to whine, nor do I want others whining (A
        MAJOR forum rule by the way).


        The Private Events From This Forum

        - I've had my paypal account broken into by an ex-member of my forum.
        I know exactly who this is because of IP address. This happened recently
        and thousands of dollars were spent.

        - I've had my home and family threatened by another previous banned
        member of the forum. As the duty of keeping the forum clean, people
        get banned now and again. When a person like this emails me and says
        they live "just around the corner" and says "Don't let me dare see you
        or your kids in public" - that is enough right there!

        - I was also getting at least half a dozen angry emails (daily) from forum members
        that really say that I "owed" them coaching for charging $47-$67 forum fee,
        and that I'm not posting enough. I enjoyed helping people but when I'm called
        an "Asshole" & "Cheap" because I will not answer 15 emails in a day, and on
        every step of someone's business because they paid for the forum, well - it
        becomes hard to wake up and want to check my email.

        - Then the legal stuff - which I know is no big deal - it just pushed me over
        the edge. A cease and desist is no big deal - I know, but the
        bridge was already bending and this was the last thing that broke it.

        - And the worst part, which really saddens me - is reading all of the posts on
        this warrior thread of how terrible I am for having put up with it all and
        not being able to carry it on any longer.


        Re-Opening The Forum

        I'm still considering this.

        And I am going back and forth with one of my mods, Timbo, who, like the
        other few mods I have, is an excellent human being and soul - and cares
        about everyone in a way that started me in creating the forum to begin
        with.

        There is a lot to personally heal from and much that I would need to
        enforce (more rules), and people do not like rules.

        - John
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        • Profile picture of the author noobie
          And now it's back, well almost. Who can't wait two hours?

          "All Forums Are Closed - You Will Not Be Able To Post During Maintenance. We will be open again in 2 hrs"

          Great news. Thanks John
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          • Profile picture of the author srumsley
            Yes, it's only the 1-2% that (try) to ruin a great thing for everyone, though I'm not trying to minimize the intimidation which that minority threw at you, John.
            As my 2c worth, I met very supportive and helpful folk in the xfactor forum, including mods, that went out of their way to clarify things and jump in to assist me personally. A real warm community spirit, something little like a familiar little village where everyone has a common goal. Of course WF is great too, but it's more like a big city where it can be easy to get lost and confused.
            C'mon John, let's not give the nasties a victory here. I'm sure they're all talk, though pretty ugly talk, I grant you. Noone could blame you for losing heart - I have children too - but you've got a big fan club here and we all know you'll find the courage necessary. Chin up!
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            • Profile picture of the author alice1202
              I'm confused. Is it going back up or not?
              I am a lifetime member of the forum and was waiting anxiously for the videos. I don't have enough posts to PM privately, but please keep me on the X-Factor list.
              Thanks,
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            • Profile picture of the author erazer
              Originally Posted by srumsley View Post

              C'mon John, let's not give the nasties a victory here.
              Sue
              Totally agree with this. Trust you have forwarded those emails to the police and let the low-lives know. That's what our taxes are supposed to do for us in a civilized society. Don't allow the roaches any place to hide. I wish you had informed us of the seriousness of this earlier.
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      • Profile picture of the author guest
        I'm sure 90% of johns forum members were upset when it closed down -

        But if John had posted this on his announcement...

        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        - I've had my home and family threatened by another previous banned
        member of the forum. When a person like this emails me and says
        they live "just around the corner" and says "Don't let me dare see you
        or your kids in public" - that is enough right there!
        Everyone would have understood the reasons for closing it


        I hope you can find a way to reopen it john -- but knowing all the facts, and seeing all the problems you've had to deal with - i'd understand your decision not to.
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      • Profile picture of the author 1byte
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        Hi Everyone,

        I cannot reply to all posts here but I will say that many replies are the
        typical types of mob-mentality posts that my forum worked VERY hard
        to avoid - and it appears to have been successful in that department.


        - John

        John, With the exception of one very outspoken poster in this thread, I don't really see a "mob-mentality" here.

        You've built up a business franchise which people have invested in by purchasing your books, videos, forum membership, etc. As paid members of your forum and course, people have a vested interest in what happens to this franchise. When pooof! - it just goes away without any recourse, people can become justifiably concerned, if not upset.

        Please consider that your members have a right to express their disappointments, fears, and frustrations, especially seeing the way things were handled.

        A "heads-up" email and/or posting more detailed info about your situation would have been nice right from the start. However, now that you have provided more details here, I'm sure most people can understand and sympathize with your plight.

        I look forward to the reopening of the forum, and hope it will once again be that safe place where members can freely exchange ideas and provide encouragement to each other.
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        • Profile picture of the author svalegria
          Count me in on the new forum.

          John,
          Would love to see the old forum return with more rules. 98% of the group were great people that even the harshest rules would affect. Hope to see it soon.
          Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Azlan
    John

    don;t worry too much... take your time...

    and just remember...

    we as a human being cannot pleased everyone.....

    just remember, you can go to your friends when you need to...

    - azlan
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  • Profile picture of the author Cosmo Demopoulos
    Good to know you're well John - never thought anything bad about here.

    Timbo though, he scares me Ok, Ok I like Timbo, but that Avatar could give my kids nightmares
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  • Profile picture of the author bcmwp
    Thanks for coming by and discussing things, John.

    Maybe if you don't decide to reopen the forum, you could just lock all the threads, delete the "buying/selling" forums, and prevent future posting. That way, we could still use the old forum threads as a resource, without you having the headache of running the forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author thegreatwarrior
      Originally Posted by bcmwp View Post

      Thanks for coming by and discussing things, John.

      Maybe if you don't decide to reopen the forum, you could just lock all the threads, delete the "buying/selling" forums, and prevent future posting. That way, we could still use the old forum threads as a resource, without you having the headache of running the forum.
      This is a really good idea, in my opinion. Yes, I'd be in favor of a forum where you can post, but still...this is really good.
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  • Profile picture of the author calfred
    I can't help but to think about Jesus.
    (I'm not a strong Christian)

    I'm also not trying to compare John and Jesus.
    But, the situationis like it.

    They are good people trying to help others, but somehow there will be that 1 or 2 % of people that try to ruin things.

    Isn't that life?

    Thanks to the majority of good guys, good shall prevail every single time when evil strikes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vexo
    Best of luck to you John !
    It only takes a few people to ruin something great for the rest.
    Death threats comes from the lowest low in this world.
    Hope you get this sorted out, but family first !
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  • Profile picture of the author Roland
    I was a member of the old forum so please add me to any morph of the old forum unless John reforms the original one
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  • Profile picture of the author smartadspace
    I was also a forum member, would like to be notified of a new forum, but hopefully John opens up the old one again. I loved reading there each and every day and I feel a big loss at not being able to access it anymore.

    I do sympathize with what you have been through John, that really sucks.
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Hi Again Everyone,

      I do apologize if I cannot reply to every question or post on this thread.

      That tends to create a sink-hole of Q & A that is very tough to get
      any real work done

      I'd like to address the 3 items that came up here that has to do with
      my products & money.


      1) Video Project Payments

      I've tried so very hard to share the developments and changes about
      this on my forum along the way - without whining in the process.

      I'll keep this simple and brief because (as Terry Gorry mentioned),
      several seem to think that my forum closing and anything I do that
      involves taking payments are linked.

      What appears on the outside is very rarely what is going on with
      the inside (business, life and everything in between).

      The project that I wanted to start 6 months ago was changed quite
      a few times. I was never happy with anything that was put on video
      and this has continued.

      The video clips were recorded over approximately 14 weeks, 300+ of
      them in fact.

      They are crappy, without direction and all over the place. Anyone that
      watches them 'as is' would be confused day after day, although my work
      on the sites was how I normally work.

      It was my first attempt at this, and quite honestly - it did not turn out
      good. I failed - and like family that attacks most of us when we are
      trying to start our own business, I've been accused, attacked and
      slandered at somehow trying to scam people.

      This couldn't be further from the truth, and anyone that thinks so will
      not be welcomed in any new forum that I may (or may not) create.

      Sorry - and I do respect everyone's opinions - but a forum is like
      someone's house - or rented boardroom meeting - it's not a place
      to enter if you really, truly hate or think the worst of someone.

      But I digress.

      The video clips are off to a marketing editor that does this stuff for
      a living.

      If..... and that's a big if.... they turn out to be a quality, legible product
      that is suitable for release upon the world - I'll release them.

      If not - then I'll scrap it up as a failure (yes, even I do fail my friends),
      and next time hire a professional video guy to work with day-by-day.

      Refunds are going out even though my paypal account is still on hold
      due to the break-in.

      That's it - that is really all there is to that.


      2) Coaching

      I am coaching people one-on-one every day. It's truly a passion of mine
      and I have a wonderful group of people involved.

      I have talked to 95% of them on the phone, are back and forth in the
      private coaching area getting them each to build up one nice profitable
      website.

      The coaching is for 1 year, or however long they need help on this one
      project.


      3) A New Forum

      I REALLY am not ready to dive into this again, but as I said before, I've
      gotten some good advisers emailing back and forth on what to do.

      If I do open it up...

      It will be from scratch - starting again at 0 posts.

      I'll learn from my own lessons about involving anyone in "early discounts"
      as well as refrain from talking about any courses or books to come until
      they are actually here.

      I'll also have to make some rules about entitlement to my private space
      as far as coaching. I love answering emails and helping people, but paying
      a small board-room fee to discuss with like-minded individuals does not
      mean that I can coach you with every detail of your business outside
      of the forum.

      And I'll also have to distance myself from banning people, and have a
      couple of my mods be the "boss" so to speak as far that is concerned.

      - John
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      • Profile picture of the author Valerie V
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        What appears on the outside is very rarely what is going on with
        the inside (business, life and everything in between).
        - John
        Wow, I'm actually amazed at hearing that these types of things were going on in the background.
        It really inspires even more appreciation in me for the way John and the Mods kept the place nice for everyone.
        No whining and negativity - they just handled it. I understand how it could reach a point of being just too much.

        My best to you, John, thanks for putting an end to all the speculation on the closure. And thanks to you and the mods for all you did over there.

        I hope things can be worked out for the forum in some form. I believe there's much more
        Light than darkness in all this - good can triumph, and all that, lol.

        Valerie
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      • Profile picture of the author dfrerking


        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        Hi Again Everyone,

        If I do open it up...

        It will be from scratch - starting again at 0 posts.

        - John

        Why bother?
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        • Profile picture of the author superassassin
          As long as the forum returns I don't care if everyone starts at zero posts or not. I thoroughly enjoyed the community there, and it became my #1 favorite forum. It weeded out all the bull (exactly the crap that's seems to be consuming a chunk of this thread).

          Even though a proposed replacement plan was in place before Xfactor stepped in with a couple posts, I know it wouldn't be able to hold a candle to the original. I would much prefer the original re-open, regardless if we start from scratch or not. Sure we might not have the old posts to reference, but the community will still be quality - and doesn't take long for good stuff to emerge from a group like that.
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          • Profile picture of the author goldenopt1
            I was a member of the XFactor Forum also and I have a question.

            Can all the threads be locked and people could only read them and not post?

            This would let people read the posts they like without causing any more problems.

            Phil
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          • Profile picture of the author CanuckWarrior
            Why is it not be possible to do both?

            Make the original site an archive read-only by locking all threads. And then create a new one starting at zero posts. Whether it's started by the mods or John himself?

            Although I agree that it wouldn't take long to get quality posts with the same group of people, like someone else pointed out, there was a lot of useful information that could never be recovered.

            Personally, if I had advanced warning the library was going to be burned down, I would have copied some key threads, posts and links I used to reference.
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            • Profile picture of the author 1byte
              Originally Posted by CanuckWarrior View Post


              Personally, if I had advanced warning the library was going to be burned down, I would have copied some key threads, posts and links I used to reference.
              My sentiments exactly.
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            • Profile picture of the author Banshu Ben
              Originally Posted by CanuckWarrior View Post

              Personally, if I had advanced warning the library was going to be burned down, I would have copied some key threads, posts and links I used to reference.
              Due to my short-term memory I have the bad habit of printing out threads/posts from the forum to review over and over again just to make sure I understood what was being written.

              Now I have tons of pages all filed away in folders in my stack boxes for quick and easy access... it may be one of the best decisions I've ever made if we start from scratch again.
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      • Profile picture of the author susb8383
        Radix, please include me in any update about the Xfactor forum reopening or a new forum being created. I have been a member since its inception (I also can't PM yet).

        John, I apologize for calling your selfish for closing the forum in my email. I had no idea of all the crap you had to deal with.

        But I really hope you'll make the old forum available as read-only. There's a goldmine of information in there.
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        • Profile picture of the author ScottR
          It would definitely be cool if the Xfactor forum were to reopen in some form. I was able to dramatically increase my Adsense income by implementing some of John's concepts into my new sites (albeit with my own twists). I think it would be fair to say that, aside from the War Room, the money that I spent on his forum and ebook was by far and away the best single investment I have made in my IM business (and I have re-invested many thousands over many years).

          Sure, John has delayed his free ebook update and the video series, but he has always been, first and foremost, an actual online marketer whose IM course is but a side business. That for me has always been his appeal - he practices before he preaches, as opposed to so many who preach without ever really practicing.

          It's too bad there are so many nutjobs online. Fortunately, they are in the minority. But that is little consolation when you receive a scary email from one of them or from an attorney representing them.

          Well, again, I definitely hope the forum is revived. Until then, we are probably all better off spending less time complaining and more time actually working on our online portfolios.

          And PS - if you can't PM on here, you really should join the War Room - I believe doing so enables you to PM immediately, and, well, it's really a no-brainer of an investment!
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  • Profile picture of the author 1byte
    Well, I'm confused now. Is the forum reopening or not? There was a note earlier that said it would be open in two hours, but John's last post said "If I do open it up..."

    And if it does reopen, why start at zero again? There was a lot of really good stuff in there, so why delete it all and start over? I would like to print out some of the threads/posts myself for my own reference, and I know others have intimated they would like to do the same. Even if the threads are locked up and archived, I would still like to have access to them. Isn't that what my paid "lifetime membership" entitles me to get?
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    • Profile picture of the author mattb348
      Hmmmmmmmmmm I'd be happy just to see the new ebook

      Don't care much about any of the other stuff (including the forum).

      As far as someone being smart enough to hack into John's paypal account, but stupid enough to be using an IP address that he recognized? That is beyond me.

      I never knew running a forum could turn into such a nightmare.

      But anyways, back to the new ebook.

      Basically all I want to get from that is a couple of things.

      1st and most important thing, John said that he will teach us how to build authority sites. There wasn't much said about building an authority site in his first ebook. I'm interested to see how he goes about building an authority site. Probably common sense, but I am still curious.

      The 2nd thing is that he says he will go over using some of the other article sites (OTHER than just ezinearticles).

      If I remember right, he has said he uses about 10 article sites now (similar to ezinearticles), but he has never mentioned which ones these are (that I know of anyways). Also common sense stuff I'm sure, but I am still curious about this as well.

      So why not just answer those 2 questions, forget about the new ebook, and call it a day?

      Seriously, what else are we really going to learn from the new book?

      P.S. I can't beleive someone threatened you and your family over a stupid forum (not like there is ANY good reason for that crap though). Thats pretty low, rediculous, and pathetic...

      Heck, I admit that I was a little urked about paying $47 for a forum that was closed, but really, who CARES? As if FAR worse things don't happen to those who are into IM....
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      • Profile picture of the author Doug Miller
        1byte and anyone else that does not understand!

        I really think that the (life time membership) refers to the forms life, NOT your lifetime. It does not matter if the form lives for 1 week or 1 century. You are a member only as long as it lives.

        Get over it!
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        • Profile picture of the author Radix


          Seriously please before this gets out of hand again. We're trying to work something out that pleases the majority of folks.
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        • Profile picture of the author 1byte
          Originally Posted by Doug Miller View Post


          It does not matter if the form lives for 1 week or 1 century. You are a member only as long as it lives.

          Get over it!

          Sure, a "1 week 'lifetime membership' " is something I've been looking for.

          Sign me up! :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Radix
            Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

            Sure, a "1 week lifetime membership" is something I've been looking for.

            Sign me up! :rolleyes:
            Have you contacted John about a refund? I believe he was issuing refunds for anyone who joined within X amount of days.
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            • Profile picture of the author fulltimer
              Hi all! I am so happy to see some of the old forum members posting here! I was gone for two months taking classes and got back to find the forum locked. It felt like my favorite local hangout got shut down and I had no way of contacting the people I've come to respect over the last year. I was seriously bumming...

              And I happen to love Timbo's avatar - reminds me of a certain rock band...

              Please keep me in the loop if something new opens up, or even better yet, the old is reopened!
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              • Profile picture of the author smartadspace
                I'm also sad about not being able to access all of the old posts again. There was some really good stuff there and I really want to have access to it again. A new forum would be good, but starting from scratch is wrong.
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                • Profile picture of the author guest
                  Originally Posted by smartadspace View Post

                  I'm also sad about not being able to access all of the old posts again. There was some really good stuff there and I really want to have access to it again. A new forum would be good, but starting from scratch is wrong.
                  I agree exactly.

                  In fact -- i would rather have the old one put back up and locked -- than have a new forum to start all over again in.

                  The old forum did away with the need of a new ebook - any member who did not learn how to use other article directories, new methods, and create authority sites -- either...

                  a) Did not read the forum.
                  b) Only just joined before it closed.
                  c) Did not believe anything others said - and kept waiting for johns official word.

                  Forum members who followed johns book - found ways to make improvements / found new ideas -- and shared them on the forum. People should have tried copying these, instead of waiting for a new ebook.

                  The old forum should be made available to all old members - and that should be the "new ebook". Everything that can possibly be said about micro niche sites was said in there. It may need some working out to find the good info, but it's all there in places.

                  Just like the original xfactor thread here on WF -- all the info was in that post, but the ebook just put it into a nice easy to read format. Everything you needed to know was on the thread.

                  If the forum started from scratch now -- almost all members are making money, so there would be no real good posts to read about getting started

                  A lot of the early info would not be reposted, as im sure stats and figures would be unavilable. And ideas that had been tried and failed would have to be tried all over again.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Banshu Ben
                    Originally Posted by guest View Post

                    I agree exactly.

                    In fact -- i would rather have the old one put back up and locked -- than have a new forum to start all over again in.

                    The old forum did away with the need of a new ebook - any member who did not learn how to use other article directories, new methods, and create authority sites -- either...

                    a) Did not read the forum.
                    b) Only just joined before it closed.
                    c) Did not believe anything others said - and kept waiting for johns official word.

                    Forum members who followed johns book - found ways to make improvements / found new ideas -- and shared them on the forum. People should have tried copying these, instead of waiting for a new ebook.

                    The old forum should be made available to all old members - and that should be the "new ebook". Everything that can possibly be said about micro niche sites was said in there. It may need some working out to find the good info, but it's all there in places.

                    Just like the original xfactor thread here on WF -- all the info was in that post, but the ebook just put it into a nice easy to read format. Everything you needed to know was on the thread.

                    If the forum started from scratch now -- almost all members are making money, so there would be no real good posts to read about getting started

                    A lot of the early info would not be reposted, as im sure stats and figures would be unavilable. And ideas that had been tried and failed would have to be tried all over again.

                    So are you suggesting that the Old Forum be for existing members, and therefore be considered an Advanced AdSense Forum, whereas the New Forum will be for new members for anyone who is just getting started with Micro-Niche Sites and AdSense?

                    Will the Old Forum be a monthly subscription for New Members?:p
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                    • Profile picture of the author guest
                      Originally Posted by Banshu Ben View Post

                      So are you suggesting that the Old Forum be for existing members, and therefore be considered an Advanced AdSense Forum, whereas the New Forum will be for new members for anyone who is just getting started with Micro-Niche Sites and AdSense?

                      Will the Old Forum be a monthly subscription for New Members?:p
                      What? lol :p

                      No -- i'm really suggesting either opening the old one - or not having a new one at all.

                      Not many of the old members would get anything out of a new forum for months. Too much info would have been lost. Members that had running "success blogs" with how they started - what they tried, and how they progressed. Would it really be worth their time trying to "re-explain" everything they had done - or would they just start from where they are now. All the good info on how they started will have been lost for new members. They couldnt read back and see what they had tried.

                      @warbar -- exactly, we all paied the $77 to get the info cut-down and concise. The ebook really saved reading all that thread, and put it in a good order. But the method was in that thread for free.

                      All i was saying is -- if john decided not to release a new ebook (free or otherwise) - at least letting old members view the forum, would let them get the info they needed to expand on the original book. It may not be in a nice set-out way. But if no new book was going to be made - it would really help people move on to more advanced authority sites, without having to go through all the mistakes others had already made/tried.

                      P.S -- i wont add any more of my opinion - i dont want it to see like i have anything against john or anyone else. So please don't read it like i'm getting at anyone - I'm just showing my love for a forum where i actually posted less then i have here on WF -- but i did learn a lot. Lurking and learning
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                  • Profile picture of the author warbar
                    Originally Posted by guest View Post

                    I agree exactly.

                    The old forum did away with the need of a new ebook - any member who did not learn how to use other article directories, new methods, and create authority sites -- either...

                    a) Did not read the forum.
                    b) Only just joined before it closed.
                    c) Did not believe anything others said - and kept waiting for johns official word.

                    Forum members who followed johns book - found ways to make improvements / found new ideas -- and shared them on the forum. People should have tried copying these, instead of waiting for a new ebook.
                    I'd not equate wanting an update of the book to not paying attention to what was happening in the forum. I read the threads, implemented many of the ideas and had a good bit of success in doing so. However, I'd rather have everything in one place and not have to hunt around the forum to get an answer to a question I may have. It's why I bought the book in the first place. Could have simply read the thread here and saved the $77. But the $77 was worth it because everything was set up in an organized fashion.

                    I do have several of the threads from earlier times saved in Evernote, but as I'm sure is the case with many folks, I simply don't have the time to be cutting and pasting threads all day.
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  • Profile picture of the author warbar
    John,

    If you do decide to open things back up again, can you offer a period of a few days access to the old forum? There's so much material there that's of significant value to many forum members. Locking the threads should eliminate any additional headaches for you and it would really be a big help to your members.

    After the specified period of time, start the new forum at zero with your mods in control of the operation. Any reason why this wouldn't work?

    Also - what are your thoughts on the update to your book? I know you've worked on it for months and that it sounded like it was virtually completed. Seems like it would be a waste to throw away all that work when there are so many folks that were looking forward to its release.

    Thanks and I hope this period of down time is allowing you to relax and enjoy life for a bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Radix
      Please IM your xfactor handle to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Trace
        Hi ,
        Please add my handle bluewave to the new forum.

        Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author secretjustin
    I can vouch for Radix . Send it your old ID's

    And if you don't know who I am, then you must have been sleeping at the wheel.

    -Peace
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    • Profile picture of the author mjbaker
      Originally Posted by secretjustin View Post

      I can vouch for Radix . Send it your old ID's

      And if you don't know who I am, then you must have been sleeping at the wheel.

      -Peace
      We know who you are.

      Why should we send Radix our ID's?

      And in many cases it's not possible. Many people don't have PM privileges here on WF which would allow it. Including myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author nbt321
    Please add me to the list. My user name is ths same here as it was there also. The forum was a great place especially for a beginner like me. I would love to see it open up again. Either way, thank you John and all the members that were in the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
    Please add me, too. chrishunter

    Thanks!
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    Ok, sure. You can follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/Chris_Hunter ;)

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  • Profile picture of the author Radix
    We will be opening the new forum tomorrow.

    All of those who have sent me an IM with your previous handle, thank you. The few who responded with silly stuff like, "you should know my handle," I would say you're SOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
      Originally Posted by Radix View Post

      We will be opening the new forum tomorrow.

      All of those who have sent me an IM with your previous handle, thank you. The few who responded with silly stuff like, "you should know my handle," I would say you're SOL.
      LOL!!

      That's awesome!

      PMing you my proper info, Radix. Thanks!

      Chris
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      Ok, sure. You can follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/Chris_Hunter ;)

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    • Profile picture of the author Gav567
      Originally Posted by Radix View Post

      We will be opening the new forum tomorrow.

      All of those who have sent me an IM with your previous handle, thank you. The few who responded with silly stuff like, "you should know my handle," I would say you're SOL.
      I can't PM you so my handle is the same as my Warriorforum handle (gav567). Please add me to the list.

      Gav.
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      • Profile picture of the author wavey
        I also can't PM you, but please add my xforum handle which was davec

        Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Propertyman
      Excellent news that a forum is back

      Handle was propertyman count me in.....
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      • Profile picture of the author Ibex
        Hi Radix

        My handle was Ibex.
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    • Profile picture of the author nbt321
      Hello,

      I also can't PM you, but please add me to your list. My xFactor Forum handle which was nbt321.

      Thank you
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      • Profile picture of the author 1byte
        Just PMed Radix my user name...
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    • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
      Radix, I want to join too. My old forum username was johnnyborga
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  • Profile picture of the author Seanpo
    Hi Radix,

    Unable to PM you as well. My xforum handle was seanpo.
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    • Profile picture of the author thegreatwarrior
      Hi Radix,

      Mine was warrior
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      • Profile picture of the author calfred
        Hi Tim.

        Xfactor Forum Handle: calfred

        Thank you very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author morris451
    Xfactor Forum Handle: Molly

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Pupke
    who is hosting this forum and whats the site address?
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Miller
    Radix

    My form name was Rufus

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
    I just PM you my info as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stormdrum
      @ Radix:
      My forum name was stormdrum.
      Thx.
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      • Profile picture of the author lucifero666
        Hi RAdix,
        i can't PM..so my handle of the old forum was: lucifero666
        Tnx buddy
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesM
    So, what about the rest of us who weren't members of the original forum, but who are now desperate to get in after reading this thread? Do we get to come and play too, or are the gates to your new utopia barred?
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    • Profile picture of the author stepman77
      Hey Radix,
      My old forum handle was stepman77
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      • Profile picture of the author joesemo
        Hi Radix,

        I sent you a PM with my forum name.

        I am really hoping that John decides to join in on the forum also.

        Hopefully he sends out the updated ebook to everyone also.

        The micro niche system does work, but got abused by a lot of people who only have 1-5 pages of actual content and got a bad reputation. Flippa is flooded with these sites for sale and I still have 15 undeveloped domain names myself.

        In the future I am headed for the authority type of sites. I want to have a minium of 50 pages of content.

        I know this is what was starting to get preached at the forum but with my schedule really had no chance to work on my sites the last 6 months.

        I will see you at the new forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author remooz
          Sign me up please: zoomer
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          • Profile picture of the author fulltimer
            Please put me on the list as well. My xfactor name was fulltimer.
            Thanks!
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            • Profile picture of the author Valerie V
              Just pm'd my xfactor user name.
              Looking forward to the opening!
              -Valerie
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              • Profile picture of the author SandyR
                Hi Radix! I can't PM, either! My forum name is SandyR. Thank You!!
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          • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
            What does one have to do to know where the forum is/was and how to join?
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          • Profile picture of the author remooz
            Originally Posted by alvanpilot View Post

            Hi Zoomer! Nice aircraft. Good to see you're here too.
            Hi...yep, back again. Hopefully the forum will take off soon while people are still interested.

            z
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            • Profile picture of the author lee schmidt
              John,

              Question about the video project...

              Is it a bust because the video's are messy/disorganized?

              Or, because you were not able to meet the daily $$ goal for the project?
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              • Profile picture of the author CanuckWarrior
                Originally Posted by lee schmidt View Post

                John,

                Question about the video project...

                Is it a bust because the video's are messy/disorganized?

                Or, because you were not able to meet the daily $$ goal for the project?
                It was either in an email or forum notification, but I remember reading he wasn't happy with the what was recorded, it ended up being a disjointed mess.
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                • Profile picture of the author BillyPilgrim
                  Read the book, but didn't want to pay a fee for a forum (did that with WA, no thanks). But if it reopens and is free I'd be happy to participate. Let me know.
                  But no drama please.
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  • Profile picture of the author noobie
    Hi Radix,

    I can't PM either. My un at the forum was noober.

    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author mjbaker
      Hi Radix,

      I can't PM either.

      My username was mjbaker

      Thanks!

      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author remetiffy
    Hi Radix

    I am writing to inform you my forum name was remetiffy

    Thanks
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    my xfactor handle is donaldg
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    • Profile picture of the author svalegria
      Svalegria was my old login
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      • Profile picture of the author Radix
        There is an update on the old xfactor forum regarding the current and future situation.
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        • Profile picture of the author scrapgirl42
          Originally Posted by Radix View Post

          There is an update on the old xfactor forum regarding the current and future situation.
          Very informative and encouraging. Everyone should head over to the xfactor forum and read what is posted there if you want the latest news.

          John, thanks for being upfront and honest about your expectations. I am looking forward to being a part of the community again if and when it happens.
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        • Profile picture of the author warbar
          Originally Posted by Radix View Post

          There is an update on the old xfactor forum regarding the current and future situation.
          Radix -

          Is the forum that is opening tomorrow associated with John's forum, or is it a new forum that was meant to take the place of John's in case he decided not to start his again?

          Your efforts to pull things together are much appreciated.

          Great to see the very encouraging comments from John over at his forum.

          Thanks

          Warren
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          • Profile picture of the author Banshu Ben
            Radix,

            Thank you. I sent a PM to you with my username.
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            • Profile picture of the author fredizzie
              Hi Radix,

              Please include me in the new forum. My original xfactor forum handle was fredizzie.

              Also, many thanks to John and the many members who made the old forum a place to learn, grow and be encouraged. I rarely posted myself 'cuz I was too busy learning, although I was a member for a long while.

              Looking forward to the new forum

              Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author Radix
              Thanks to everyone for sending your information. I'm going to try and explain, as much as I'm comfortable with, what is going on.

              There is an alternative forum already created. We did this in the off chance the XFactor forum closure was permanent. We did not want and still do not want that to happen. Any alternative to the real thing will simply be a poor man's replacement. The community itself was awesome and in and of itself provides a great value for those just starting their IM careers or those who have been doing this for years. However, it was without a doubt driven by one source. Without that source, it will be an uphill battle to keep that forum alive.

              We will not open a new site if there is any chance of the original forum reopening as it would be completely contradictory to our collective goals.

              I apologize for making that post last night. That was premature on my part.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    If an alternative does get opened up, is there any chance for new members? Sounds like a really great community!
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    • Profile picture of the author scrapgirl42
      I tell you what - I am missing the xfactor forum right now. I always new I could find some Adsense success stories that would encourage me when I was wavering. I can't find anything like that here . . .

      I want to read smr1968's $30 a day thread again
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      • Profile picture of the author DiMcdonald
        Its gone, John deleted it!!
        Hes written a new explanation on the old forums front page!
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        • Profile picture of the author Trin
          My situation is a little different.... I was Kaizen on the old forum for a few days, just before it closed. I asked John to refund me (as it was only a few days) UNLESS he planned to reopen the forum.

          Long story short, I was promptly refunded, but would rejoin in a heartbeat if John reopened it and would like to be included in the one that you mention Radix.

          Thanks affmaster AT gmail.com
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      • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
        I wonder if smr1968 is member of this forum too?
        You are right, this place is not like John's forum.



        Originally Posted by scrapgirl42 View Post

        I tell you what - I am missing the xfactor forum right now. I always new I could find some Adsense success stories that would encourage me when I was wavering. I can't find anything like that here . . .

        I want to read smr1968's $30 a day thread again
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      • Profile picture of the author smr1968
        Originally Posted by scrapgirl42 View Post

        I tell you what - I am missing the xfactor forum right now. I always new I could find some Adsense success stories that would encourage me when I was wavering. I can't find anything like that here . . .

        I want to read smr1968's $30 a day thread again
        I'm afraid it's the $111 a day thread now

        I wil lbe popping in there, but this business model, albeit adapted, is going so well I have decided to work a lot harder on it than I had been. The XF forum was a distraction.

        I'm working towards $200 a day by Xmas 2010

        Good luck
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        • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
          Welcome for popping in here Smr. Good work!


          Originally Posted by smr1968 View Post

          I'm afraid it's the $111 a day thread now

          I wil lbe popping in there, but this business model, albeit adapted, is going so well I have decided to work a lot harder on it than I had been. The XF forum was a distraction.

          I'm working towards $200 a day by Xmas 2010

          Good luck
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          • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
            It is a pity that all the good content is gone forever, but I ll take that and will not complain about it. Forum still worths gold, not just because it is john's forum but also because there were lots of great fellows already successful with John's method and sharing their experiences. I havent had much time to share my own experience as I cannot consider €.50 a day relevant enough to post, but I am working on it .
            I am sure the forum will come stronger and even better than ever, full of success stories, tips and resources.
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        • Profile picture of the author scrapgirl42
          Originally Posted by smr1968 View Post

          I'm afraid it's the $111 a day thread now

          I'm working towards $200 a day by Xmas 2010

          Good luck
          I wish I was afraid I was making $111 per day

          Great job and good luck making it to $200. This is from Adsense right? I loved your threads because the kept me motivated. I am moving in the right direction, but just at about $15 per day, but I do have one site that is making a consistant $3-8 per day.

          Please pop in and tell us how you are progressing
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          • Profile picture of the author XFactor
            Hi Everyone,

            I'd like to make an official post here, as requested by one of the mods
            from my forum. Then it's back to work.

            Below are some brief points addressing some questions on this thread:


            1) Yes, All Posts Are Deleted


            I did not delete my forum for legal reasons, I was simply sick of it all
            (I explained this on the forum notice at my site, so stop by to read it).

            At that point, I had absolutely no intentions of running the forum, ever
            again.


            2) Yes, I'll Re-Open The Forum (From Scratch)

            With a change of heart due to talking and emailing with quite a few of my
            wonderful members and mods, I will re-open the forum in the next 2 weeks.

            This week and into the next I'm focusing 100% on my coaching clients
            getting their sites launched, so once they are all caught up then I'll open
            the doors.

            Once opened, I'd like to put in time to help with posting and to get the
            forum off to a good start again.


            3) Video Refunds Are Going Out
            (as replied via email)

            The project is a bust and I've got an email list of all refunds. They will
            be going out as soon as my paypal account is finished with the hacking
            issue and re-opens my send-and-receive privileges.


            4) Finally, For Those Of You That Do Not Like Me(TOUGH)

            If you do not like me or any of the mistakes I've made, fine. Get over it.

            Whining about it in the forum will not be tolerated (or whining about any
            other person for that matter).

            I made my share of mistakes and failures for all the world to see, and
            now I realize that it's best not to take your comments personally.

            If that means I have to harden up a bit by providing my services, forum
            and publishing experience - while putting up with a few ass-holes along
            the way - so be it.

            - John
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            • Profile picture of the author joesemo
              Hi John,

              Glad to see you want to reopen the forum.

              Most people are not very successful in internet marketing in their first couple of years and think that they never will.

              You have found a way to make a living on the internet and this alone will make people jealous of you.

              The fact that you were willing to show people exactly what you were doing puts you ahead of most of the so called gurus that found something that worked for a month or two, and once it stopped working they made an ebook to try and bank more money.

              Do not let the idiots and the stalkers bring you down. Make sure to protect your assets and your family first.
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              • Profile picture of the author buzzpoint
                I agree with Joesemo. Well said.


                Originally Posted by joesemo View Post

                Hi John,

                Glad to see you want to reopen the forum.

                Most people are not very successful in internet marketing in their first couple of years and think that they never will.

                You have found a way to make a living on the internet and this alone will make people jealous of you.

                The fact that you were willing to show people exactly what you were doing puts you ahead of most of the so called gurus that found something that worked for a month or two, and once it stopped working they made an ebook to try and bank more money.

                Do not let the idiots and the stalkers bring you down. Make sure to protect your assets and your family first.
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            • Profile picture of the author Roland
              Hi John

              3) Video Refunds Are Going Out (as replied via email)

              The project is a bust and I've got an email list of all refunds. They will
              be going out as soon as my paypal account is finished with the hacking
              issue and re-opens my send-and-receive privileges.

              Just to clarify, does this mean you have already emailed people on the video list that have paid the fee that you are going to refund them please?

              Or will you just refund when you have sen and reply privileges back without sending an initial email?

              If it is the first thing, then I haven't received an email yet and am a video customer

              I would appreciate your clarification, thank you
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            • Profile picture of the author bonkgo

              3) Video Refunds Are Going Out
              (as replied via email)

              The project is a bust and I've got an email list of all refunds. They will
              be going out as soon as my paypal account is finished with the hacking
              issue and re-opens my send-and-receive privileges.

              Hi John,

              I bought your ebook and loved it. I have started a few niche sites so far, but, I have not joined the forum yet so I don't know too much about the video side of it. But I do work for an online video company out here in California. If you are interested we may be able to work something out and fulfill your video orders and perhaps continue with other orders. I am not sure what your price points are but if you want to send me some info we can see if we can work something out.
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        • Profile picture of the author guest
          Originally Posted by smr1968 View Post

          I'm afraid it's the $111 a day thread now

          I wil lbe popping in there, but this business model, albeit adapted, is going so well I have decided to work a lot harder on it than I had been. The XF forum was a distraction.

          I'm working towards $200 a day by Xmas 2010

          Good luck
          I dont know if you'll come back to answer this question - but how many sites do you own to get that much per day - and is it all adsense?!

          Well done my friend!

          I'm worried as i've worked it out to get the same as you -- i will need 40 websites - and i do not know if google would ban me with that many sites. I'm trying to turn them into big auth. sites - but its so much easier just to keep going with the mini sites.

          Any extra info on your $111 a day before you leave would be amazing!!! :p
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          • Profile picture of the author smr1968
            Originally Posted by guest View Post

            I dont know if you'll come back to answer this question - but how many sites do you own to get that much per day - and is it all adsense?!

            Well done my friend!

            I'm worried as i've worked it out to get the same as you -- i will need 40 websites - and i do not know if google would ban me with that many sites. I'm trying to turn them into big auth. sites - but its so much easier just to keep going with the mini sites.

            Any extra info on your $111 a day before you leave would be amazing!!! :p
            It is all adsense. I have around 35 domains but some make very little. I have a couple that make 25-35 per day sometimes and I strongly believe that they can make $100 a day each on their own. I think fewer sites is the way to go these days personally.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
    Hi John, I just want to thank you for the great job you did with your ebook and with the forum. I am sure the new forum will come better than ever and idiots-free.

    All your teaching may have probably shown me the right way to change my life
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  • Profile picture of the author guest
    Well the new update said that john deleted all the old posts - so i guess this whole discussion is a waste of time

    I'm sure his hosts could recover the deleted database file - John is using hostgator - and they keep backups of all mysql files - so they could easily get it back if john wanted. It's what almost all of his members want.

    I'm sad so much has gone. It was great going and reading $xxx amount a day threads from people who were following the method.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by guest View Post

      Well the new update said that john deleted all the old posts - so i guess this whole discussion is a waste of time

      I'm sure his hosts could recover the deleted database file - John is using hostgator - and they keep backups of all mysql files - so they could easily get it back if john wanted. It's what almost all of his members want.

      I'm sad so much has gone. It was great going and reading amount a day threads from people who were following the method.

      Rather inexplicable that all posts are deleted. Why would John do that? :confused:

      There was so much good stuff in there, it seems rather short-sighted to just delete it all. We did pay to join the forum - it only seems fair that we should be able to access previous posts. There are a few threads I would like to get my hands on...
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      • Profile picture of the author Radix
        Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

        Rather inexplicable that all posts are deleted. Why would John do that? :confused:

        There was so much good stuff in there, it seems rather short-sighted to just delete it all. We did pay to join the forum - it only seems fair that we should be able to access previous posts. There are a few threads I would like to get my hands on...

        I would have done the same thing. Owning a forum can be a massive legal liability. You can have solid disclaimers and agreements in place and you're still not bullet proof as the owner.

        As for what was purchased, you paid for a "membership." If WF closed their doors tomorrow for legal reasons, I doubt they'd provide a database to former members.

        It's likely there were other things that will never be made public regarding the removal of the forum data, but John has the right to protect himself. As the forum owner, he carries far more liability than any of the members.
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        • Profile picture of the author 1byte
          Originally Posted by Radix View Post


          As for what was purchased, you paid for a "membership." If WF closed their doors tomorrow for legal reasons, I doubt they'd provide a database to former members.

          I would expect a business to at least give me a "heads up" before closing shop, which would enable me to make last minute purchases - or in the case of a forum - a chance to retrieve/save any useful posts.
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          • Profile picture of the author CanuckWarrior
            Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

            I would expect a business to at least give me a "heads up" before closing shop, which would enable me to make last minute purchases - or in the case of a forum - a chance to retrieve/save any useful posts.
            I think many of us feel that way, but you're beating a dead horse at this point.

            Like Radix said, John wears the liability, not us. Had I known earlier that some nutcase threatened his family over a stupid forum I wouldn't have said anything about the forum being closed in the first place.

            John is refunding the video course payments to us, the updated ebook will come out whenever and we'll get it for free, plus a new, stricter (which I applaud) forum will open up where we can still discuss ideas.

            Not that bad an outcome (imo) considering how it could have turned out.
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            • Profile picture of the author 1byte
              Originally Posted by CanuckWarrior View Post

              I think many of us feel that way, but you're beating a dead horse at this point.

              Like Radix said, John wears the liability, not us. Had I known earlier that some nutcase threatened his family over a stupid forum I wouldn't have said anything about the forum being closed in the first place.

              John is refunding the video course payments to us, the updated ebook will come out whenever and we'll get it for free, plus a new, stricter (which I applaud) forum will open up where we can still discuss ideas.

              Not that bad an outcome (imo) considering how it could have turned out.
              Yeah, you're right, I'm beating a dead horse

              Time to move on, and make some money...
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        • Profile picture of the author guest
          Originally Posted by Radix View Post

          I would have done the same thing. Owning a forum can be a massive legal liability. You can have solid disclaimers and agreements in place and you're still not bullet proof as the owner.

          As for what was purchased, you paid for a "membership." If WF closed their doors tomorrow for legal reasons, I doubt they'd provide a database to former members.

          It's likely there were other things that will never be made public regarding the removal of the forum data, but John has the right to protect himself. As the forum owner, he carries far more liability than any of the members.
          You cannot delete a forum for "legal reasons". It would almost be like shredding all your old documents when your being investigated. If anything - you would need to keep them to prove you didnt do anything illegal. Removing them makes you seem very suspicious.
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    Good to see the updated message Sounds great and if the forums are re-opened (or the alternate forums are opened) then that'd be brilliant.

    Starting afresh will also be kind of cool IMO. I can appreciate that some great posts will be lost, although I'm sure any 'new' forum will be built back up soon enough.

    Plus I recently scrapped most/all of my old websites (long story) and have started anew on one bigger project (is relatively new though: Google have only had access to it for 10 days). So a new-beginnings forum kind of echoes where I'm at now.

    Anywhoo, I'm rambling.

    Looking forward to a new board... old (xFactor forum relaunch) or new (alternate forums)
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  • Profile picture of the author smr1968
    I personally think that now is a good time to take what you learnt from the XF forum and put it into practice and move on.

    I know I spent hours on that forum that I could have used getting on with building a business. Sure, I got some great ideas, met some fab people, but the best place to learn to do this stuff is sitting at your computer doing it.

    There was so much micro-analysis of every detail that it became somewhat painful at times. We all do it, and it happens on all forums, but I think self belief and self reliance is the way to make money online. Get the basics and do what you feel to be right........and it usually is.
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    • Profile picture of the author bcmwp
      Hi, Radix. I'd like to be added and I'm gmfan. I posted back on page 2, but it might have gotten buried.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnnyborga
      Originally Posted by smr1968 View Post

      I personally think that now is a good time to take what you learnt from the XF forum and put it into practice and move on.

      I know I spent hours on that forum that I could have used getting on with building a business. Sure, I got some great ideas, met some fab people, but the best place to learn to do this stuff is sitting at your computer doing it.

      There was so much micro-analysis of every detail that it became somewhat painful at times. We all do it, and it happens on all forums, but I think self belief and self reliance is the way to make money online. Get the basics and do what you feel to be right........and it usually is.
      I have a full time job that allows me somehow to read forums and ebooks or do some niche research, and to study, however working on my websites would be more difficult during my job. This is how I take profit of my time when I am working: I read, I study, I watch all the videos I can and I do some niche research. So I can have plenty of time for forums like warrior Forum and John's Forum. When I am at home I take action and do the work.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by smr1968 View Post

      I personally think that now is a good time to take what you learnt from the XF forum and put it into practice and move on.

      A lot of us like to be hand-held and spoon-fed, which is fine when we're first starting out. But at some point we need to take all the great stuff we learned from the book and the forum, and use it to build our business with consistent, focused action.

      I think even John has said as much in various posts.

      For some of us, it's like a never ending education, similar to the college student who continues to pursue one advanced degree after another, even though he or she knows just about everything there is to know about their field of study. Some people (myself included at times) are afraid to get out there and do it - for whatever reason.

      There's definitely some good information here at Warrior forum, and (at one time) the Xfactor forum, but hanging around forums can sure suck up a lot of time that could be better spent actually working on our business.

      Most, if not all of us, have the basic knowledge that we need to succeed - we just need to put it into practice.
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  • Profile picture of the author lucifero666
    Tnx John for the explanation on the forum...i can't wait the "reopening"...cya Boss
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Miller
    John,
    It is good to hear the form will be reopening.
    It is a shame that you had to go through what you did, only while trying to help others. Let your moderator’s rule with an iron fist. The people that go there to learn will appreciated it.
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  • Profile picture of the author calfred
    "Video project is a bust?"

    I have not requested for a refund.

    Will I still be receiving the video product?
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  • Profile picture of the author srswebline
    oh wow this situation doesn't sound like much fun. I would def consult some folks that might be in the know. This situation might not be as bad as it appears. There are some sites that have taken advantage of situations like this and come out on top.

    You provide a public message board and someone used it in the wrong way. Did you have any disclaimers or anything on your forum? I'm not sure you have much to worry about.

    Then again I am not a lawyer, so I could be totally wrong..

    Good luck either way
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    • Profile picture of the author lucifero666
      Oh John i'm so happy for the reopening....
      glad to see you here again....good luck for your troubles...family and selfcare FIRST!!! yeah your mods are very wonderful peoples...the old forum was useful..but anyway there 's something better that can come out...if there was a great forum, then there will be a greater forum...cya buddy...take care of you.Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Always sad to hear of the end of something good
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    • Profile picture of the author zcyka
      Sorry to hear of the problems involved, but thrilled to hear that the forum is going to re-open!

      I don't know if John may be by or if others know the answers to two questions: 1) is the forum already open again? I stopped by the site and noted that I was able to click through to a checkout page that included gathering info about login, password, etc, so I'm tempted to assume "yes," and 2) is the updated book still in the works?

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  • Profile picture of the author dagny
    Hi John,
    I purchased your course a few days ago, will the forum be open to new people as well? Thanks for your consideration

    Warmly
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  • Profile picture of the author Surferjock87
    Sorry to hear about that, but thrilled like many others to hear it's re-opening again. With new terms / rules / etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trace
    Hi,

    Any updates on the "new Xfactor Adsense Forum"?

    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author zapata
      Originally Posted by Trace View Post

      Hi,
      Any updates on the "new Xfactor Adsense Forum"?
      Thank you
      It was posted on the 8th that the forum would reopen within two weeks. If my calculations are correct that would be the 22nd, or day-after-tomorrow.

      We will see...
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    • Profile picture of the author 3afash
      why is everyone attached to and dependent on the xfactor forum? everything u need is out there, you're just addicted to getting that new piece of information that will make you the person of your dreams and make all your dreams come true.

      As if making money online depended on the xfactor forum....


      I still wanna know when the forum is going to be up though that's why I checked this thread :p
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      • Profile picture of the author zapata
        "Deja vu all over again"--except now we don't even get a flimsy excuse why the re-opening is delayed, like we did with the ebook and videos.

        The way all of this has been handled makes no sense to me--closing a popular forum over a couple of questionable incidents, deleting all the old posts, not delivering promised ebook or videos for months on end with excuse after excuse, postponing the "re-opening" of the forum for hundreds of people who have paid thousands of dollars in favor of a few "special clients", and saying posters who question these actions have a "mob mentality".

        It's time to write it up as just another Internet rip-off and move on, at least for me. I have no more interest in it.
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      • Profile picture of the author powerspike
        Originally Posted by 3afash View Post

        why is everyone attached to and dependent on the xfactor forum? everything u need is out there, you're just addicted to getting that new piece of information that will make you the person of your dreams and make all your dreams come true.

        As if making money online depended on the xfactor forum....


        I still wanna know when the forum is going to be up though that's why I checked this thread :p
        Well the forum was a good place to get a pick me up, there wasn't much "junk" threads on it at all. If you where having issues either there was a thread already there with with, or when you posted, you had people help you who knew what they where doing.

        I hope they come back - they where a good place, with mostly good people

        - Justin
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    Hi John et al,
    If we could get an update on the forum's it would be appreciated

    @3afash Lol They were great forums, and everyone there did take action (so it wasn't a case of all talk no action).
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  • Profile picture of the author kislany
    At this point all I want is my refund on the videos ($97), but so far no word back from John. Did anyone get any refunds on them? And I'm not talking about refunds for the forum...

    Edit: And I'm only talking about refunds since he closed his forum, since I"ve just read that some people got their refunds from BEFORE closing down his Xfactor forum...but nobody since...?
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    • Profile picture of the author dfrerking
      In an email on 8/30 John said "I will be sending out all refunds to everyone over the next several weeks, in the order they were paid."
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    • Profile picture of the author Roland
      I haven't received my refund for the video project or received any further news about the forum
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    • Profile picture of the author Trace
      Originally Posted by kislany View Post

      At this point all I want is my refund on the videos ($97), but so far no word back from John. Did anyone get any refunds on them? And I'm not talking about refunds for the forum...
      I requested and recieved a refund for the videos on August 21st,prior to the forum shutting down.
      The lesson I learned is never pay upfront for a product that has not even been developed yet.
      All in all I believe John's intentions were good.
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      • Profile picture of the author keyaziz
        Hi Kislany,

        I haven't been refunded either and I also never received an email. I also sent John an email before he stated he was refunding everyone, that I wanted a refund on the video course. I don't actually need it but wanted to see out of curiosity...but then decided since the forum got closed I would rather be refunded.

        I do hope I get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kislany
    Yes, I got that email too but from over 25 people I've personally spoken with who paid for the videos, noone seems to have gotten anything but that email from him..And now it's way too late to ask from Paypal since the time has already lapsed a long time ago...
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    • Profile picture of the author Roland
      Originally Posted by kislany View Post

      Yes, I got that email too but from over 25 people I've personally spoken with who paid for the videos, noone seems to have gotten anything but that email from him..And now it's way too late to ask from Paypal since the time has already lapsed a long time ago...
      I have not received an email like that from John, was there an email as I thought I read that note on this forum?
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  • Profile picture of the author warbar
    I asked for and received a refund a couple of months ago when I got to the point where I felt we'd never see the book or the video course.

    I've always felt John was a good guy, but things never added up with him. I think it boils down to the fact he was in way over his head. Promised things that he later realized that there was no way he could deliver as a one man show. I'd emailed him a few times about the book and he always got back to me quickly and was always very polite about it, saying it would be "next week" or other short term time period.

    I know he had an issue with his PP account, but that could easily be resolved by mailing checks out. I had a similar situation when I was selling a course back in 2005-06. Huge money involved, but when someone asked for a refund, I mailed a check until the PP situation was resolved. Not difficult to do. Perhaps there is a cash flow situation that is not permitting refunds to be made in a timely fashion.

    One thing that always made me wonder was the fact he never publicly provided his last name. Thought that was a bit strange. Then you throw in the closing of the forum out of the blue, the scrapping of the video project, and never seeing his ebook that he was putting the finishing touches on back in March, and it becomes even stranger.

    I still think he's a decent guy that just got in over his head and didn't know how to keep things going with all that he'd promised.
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