"Thin" Mini-Sites Being De-Indexed

16 years ago

If Google begins to de-index based on ownership rather than the value of the content, wouldn't that tend to lower the quality of the user experience by potentially omitting sites that may have the results the user is looking for?

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The Dotcom Hippie

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

If Google begins to de-index based on ownership rather than the value of the content, wouldn't that tend to lower the quality of the user experience by potentially omitting sites that may have the results the user is looking for?

You know, it probably would. Personally, I think they just want to really take a stand against the MFA stuff and all that, and kind of make a statement in the process. They've been pretty mean to some marketers this year, and made it quite obvious that they really, really do not like them. And it doesn't matter one bit that you're making them good AdSense money (it's going to be peanuts to them anyway) - if they don't like the way you go about it they will either let their wrath loose on one of your sites - or all of them.

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Tom Goodwin

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

If Google begins to de-index based on ownership rather than the value of the content, wouldn't that tend to lower the quality of the user experience by potentially omitting sites that may have the results the user is looking for?

We all know Google really delivers on providing the most "relevant" search results:rolleyes:

What is pretty clear is that Google has been de-indexing certain folks entire portfolio of sites interlinked with Adsense and/or Analytics, even sites that appear to be large, well-written and authoritative. If they find a few sites they don't like, they haven't just been nuking those, they've been nuking the good ones too.

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Rebecca108 16 years ago

I have a "thin" mini-site a sales page site for my own ebook, that was de-indexed by google recently. I was planning on building up the site into a more legitimate site, but hadn't gotten around to it. The domain is 2 years old. Should I just start fresh with a new domain since my existing domain has been slapped, or should I go ahead and build the existing domain up, like I was planning. Thanks in advance!
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TristanPerry

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

If Google begins to de-index based on ownership rather than the value of the content, wouldn't that tend to lower the quality of the user experience by potentially omitting sites that may have the results the user is looking for?

Unfortunately they do seem to delete by ownership, yes. There's been quite a few cases of all the sites (including good ones) which are linked (via GWT or analytics) being deindexed, possibly due to only a couple of 'bad' ones.

I agree it'd harm the user experience, although I guess that Google would think that if a user has a couple (or even one) 'bad'/spammy site, then the user might use these 'bad'/spammy tactics on their other sites.

I agree it's a pretty unfair conclusion to draw though (i.e. I do disagree with Google's view), but unfortunately it does seem they happily do this nonetheless.

Originally Posted by terrapurus

What is known is Google is an ICANN-accredited registrar of domain names. I will let you draw from that what you will.

This has come up before. It's a myth. Google being ICANN-accredited just means that they can register domains directly at 'wholesale' prices.

It doesn't mean ICANN will suddenly break numerous confidentiality and privacy laws and share data from other company's with Google...

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The Dotcom Hippie

16 years ago

They can be in danger, as at least some AdSense publishers have experienced this year, when all sites tied to an AdSense account have been severely penalized - if not deindexed - because of one or more spammier sites. It's harsh but true.

BTW, this classic MFA site was recently deindexed: 4 Slice Toaster

Kinda sad, actually. That site has some lovely content.

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EWS

16 years ago

Originally Posted by The Dotcom Hippie

They can be in danger, as at least some AdSense publishers have experienced this year, when all sites tied to an AdSense account have been severely penalized - if not deindexed - because of one or more spammier sites. It's harsh but true.

BTW, this classic MFA site was recently deindexed: 4 Slice Toaster

Kinda sad, actually. That site has some lovely content.

and yet this identical site 4 Slice Toaster - Different Types of 4 Slice Toasters is still indexed ?

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Nexus7 16 years ago

Originally Posted by EWS

and yet this identical site 4 Slice Toaster - Different Types of 4 Slice Toasters is still indexed ?

This one shows up on the first page of Google for "4 slice toaster"...

4 slice toaster

...with this one right below it

4 Slice Toaster

The second one looks less spammy, but the intention is the same.
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WareTime

16 years ago

Originally Posted by The Dotcom Hippie

They can be in danger, as at least some AdSense publishers have experienced this year, when all sites tied to an AdSense account have been severely penalized - if not deindexed - because of one or more spammier sites. It's harsh but true.

BTW, this classic MFA site was recently deindexed: 4 Slice Toaster

Kinda sad, actually. That site has some lovely content.

Dang! Lottsa "good" quality back links too. I went there for all my 4 slice toaster shopping needs. In fact "I remember the good old days when toaster are only 2 slice toaster and that was really good enough."

Yes, those were the days.

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Bryan V 16 years ago

Originally Posted by The Dotcom Hippie

BTW, this classic MFA site was recently deindexed: 4 Slice Toaster

Kinda sad, actually. That site has some lovely content.

I hope you're joking . Before actually using spinners I would have just guessed poor english, but there's some pretty obviously spun content on there that sounds ridiculous.

"The defrosting underline is a most critical underline to demeanour for whilst shopping a toaster, with an assistance of this symbol a toaster initial defrosts a solidified object as good as afterwards starts toasting it."

"While a reheat choice allows a user to reheat a toast, in box a toasts have been ready prior to a tea is finished as good as a countdown timer tells a user a volume of time left prior to a toasts can cocktail up."

LOL I can't get enough.
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jaxrefinance

16 years ago

The whole MFA mini site thing is just bad business for the marketer. With just a little extra effort the website owner can turn that site into a real nice money maker by just adding articles every few days until he has 15 or 20 pages up there.

Not only would it not get deindexed, it would also get more traffic if the proper keywords are used in the proper density.

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derekwong28

16 years ago

Earlier this year, almost all new sites set up within a few months on my server were banned. This was completely indiscriminte as all my sites were different and some had very high quality unique content such as M.A dissertations. Previsouly, I had hundreds of MFA sites banned on that server.

Luckily, my most important sites were not touched as they were hosted elsewhere on many different Class C addresses. I do not have Adsense on the other sites nor do I use webmaster tools or use a common template.

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Marhelper

16 years ago

Create mini sites that are hosted on no more than 20 sites per account. Use different domain registrars when the sites start building up. Use alternative monetization to Adsense such as Ad Brite, Yahoo, CPA, etc... Also, add backlinks and content to your sites continually.

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terrapurus

16 years ago

Originally Posted by terryrayburn

If someone has several "thin" mini-sites, as well as some more robust sites...

...and Google de-indexes the "thin" sites...

...are the robust semi-authority sites in danger also, because they're owned by the "thin" site perpetrator?

Maybe they do .. maybe they don't.

What is known is Google is an ICANN-accredited registrar of domain names. I will let you draw from that what you will.

Their sandpit ... their rules.

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seanicasia

16 years ago

mm, 'Google works in mysterious ways' ... lol

I think methods change, but principles remain the same.

There was another thread about someone losing their entire blog sites ... so I think it's really important to always back things up as well.

The way things seem these days, you never know when you get slapped, de-indexed, hacked etc.

Still, we do our best and hope for the best!

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tpw

16 years ago

If you are relying on Google for your sales... You are making a huge mistake...

The only bottom line Google is watching out for is there own, and if this news has left you shaking in fear... Then you have been operating your business in a silly and fool-hearty way...

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Technologize

16 years ago

It's happening...

Most Sites Got De-indexed Today ? - Webmaster Central Help

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Tom Goodwin 16 years ago

Originally Posted by anteck

It's happening...

Most Sites Got De-indexed Today ? - Webmaster Central Help

I'm not sure what "it's happening" means. Do you really think that today is d-day? give me a break.

Sites get de-indexed all the time. they did 5 years ago. They did 2 years ago. They do today. ...and they will 2 years from now.

The problem is you never really know why a site was indexed. Perhaps they linked out to an incest site? I don't know. Maybe they had some cookie stuffing on the site.
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WareTime

16 years ago

Sooner or later every email sent by a spammer is viewed with a suspicious eye, I'd think websites are similar.

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