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by samcarson
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I cannot find a few of my sites in google since a month. If I delete the entire content and create a totally new site with unique content and a new design, will google treat this as a new site and index it back?

Thanks

Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author acamso
    I never had experience with the sandbox, but I'm assuming that the site will remain there regardless if you delete and add new content. It's my understanding that the sandbox is related to backlinks, not the content. And the backlinks would still be in tact. How did you get sandboxed?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    It's been deindexed? Or just no where to be found in the SERPs?

    If you do a search of site:www.yoursite.com does it come up?
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  • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
    Originally Posted by samcarson View Post

    I cannot find a few of my sites in google since a month. If I delete the entire content and create a totally new site with unique content and a new design, will google treat this as a new site and index it back?

    Thanks

    Sam
    If you had gotten sandbox, your links would still be indexed just not ranked high. That's all the sandbox does anyway. But if your links are gone, then you got deindexed for something more serious like keyword stuffing or bookmark spamming to name only two possible violations.
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  • Profile picture of the author samcarson
    Site does not come up when I do site:www.site.com, getting a "no documents found", same with any internal link on the site.

    I built too many links in a short time, profile type and blog commenting

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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      Originally Posted by samcarson View Post

      Site does not come up when I do site:www.site.com, getting a "no documents found", same with any internal link on the site.

      I built too many links in a short time, profile type and blog commenting

      Sam
      It should be searched without the www.

      Just site:yoursite.com

      If it's not there, that means it has been deindexed.
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      • Profile picture of the author techlifffe
        Originally Posted by Dellco View Post

        It should be searched without the
        If it's not there, that means it has been deindexed.
        this methol is diffirent as site
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        • Profile picture of the author Tommy Perez
          In my experience...getting out of the "sandbox" requires just solid and consistent link building over time.

          The reason you're experiencing the sandbox effect is that your site may have something that caused an algorithmic trigger.

          Consistent link building will let Google know that your site is indeed important and they WILL release back onto the SERPs in no time.

          Trust me...I've been there. So keep your head down and continue building links!
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      • Profile picture of the author zhoom
        Originally Posted by Dellco View Post

        It should be searched without the www

        If it's not there, that means it has been deindexed.
        I don't think it does matter if you include the www or not. Even you include the http it must be shown if it is really index by search engine.

        @Sam

        Just continue building links to your site and you must be consistent in doing this because Google also look on the consistency of links of a website. I would also suggest bookmarking your sites to improve the indexing of your site.
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    • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
      Originally Posted by samcarson View Post

      Site does not come up when I do site:www.site.com, getting a "no documents found", same with any internal link on the site.

      I built too many links in a short time, profile type and blog commenting

      Sam
      It's not the links, trust me. I build 25k link sites or more all of the time and don't have that problem. Google doesn't have a problem with large sites being built over a short time and you don't get deindexed for that since large sites popping up overnight are so commonplace it wouldn't make since.

      You think facebook and myspace started with only 100 links? No way. Them and ecommerce sites start sites with 1000's of links in them and upload them all at once.

      Your affiliate links aren't doing it either. The affiliate link issues only applies to google adwords because the pubs are getting sick of lazy dishonest people putting up farticles and flogs to trick people into buying their product and, unfortunately, mostly affiliates are doing this. It's been proven that if a person doesn't own the product, they'll do anything to sell it but if they own it, they treat their brand with more respect...thus the google adwords banning of affiliates.

      It's design to keep revenues flowing since their adwords publishers are making all their money (gotta keep them happy). Gotta keep quality ads on their network as many of the ads on google used to be low caliber.

      Now, for SEO, this doesn't apply for the simple fact that it's really hard to get ranked high enough to make a difference anyway. Plus, people who build seo sites that get ranked high, don't short cut. They do the job right the first time which provides value to the visitors looking for certain things on google.

      Having said THAT, the only thing that is messing you up is possibly fraudulent activity. Any cloakers, proxies or software's used to backlink or bookmark they heck out of your site, will get you deindexed REALLY quick.

      Again, like the other people have stated, the best test is to do the site:http://yoursite.com or site:yoursite.com or site:www.yoursite.com to see if you have any results. If you don't have any, then you are deindexed.

      Now, if you ARE deindexed, don't worry. It's not hard to get off the crap list. All you have to do is build some new pages on your site in addition to the ones you have now, stop using cloakers, stop using proxies, stop using softwares to social bookmark you and whatnot, then, get your links and submit them on a site like PingDevice and wait a week or so.

      One thing about google is, if you get sandboxed OR deindexed, you can easily fix them and get your rankings back in a matter of weeks. The only time to worry is if you've been banned but, even then, you can get out of that too. You fix what's wrong, real ping the links, you're back on the indexed results.
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  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi Sam,

    First let me say there is no Sandbox. There is a natural part of Google's algorithm that is sometimes referred to as the "Sandbox Effect". The so called "Sandbox Effect" is simply put the effect of ranking pages that have been around longer with higher trust since they have stood the test of time.

    So by wiping out your content and starting fresh you are simply wiping out any trust you may have earned up to this point. This certainly isn't going to relieve the "Sandbox Effect".

    Based on your subsequent post where you state "Site does not come up when I do site:www.site.com" you website seems to have been de-indexed. This generally only occurs due to a violation of Google's Webmaster guidelines.

    There is nothing in the guidelines that prohibit "too many links in a short time, profile type and blog commenting". You are looking at the wrong causes there. You need to take a close look at Google's Webmaster Guidelines and figure out which guidelines you are violating and fix that. After you have found and fixed everything you could find, ask an expert to look it over for anything you may have missed, then make a request for reconsideration.
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    • Profile picture of the author claycath
      I just read over the guidelines as one of my sites is de-indexed. The only thing I can think of is because I use a plugin cloaker to cloak my affiliate links. But I really don't want to leave them out there raw. Not only is it ugly, it's just not a good idea. So what does Google expect us to do?
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      • Profile picture of the author deloriagod
        Originally Posted by claycath View Post

        I just read over the guidelines as one of my sites is de-indexed. The only thing I can think of is because I use a plugin cloaker to cloak my affiliate links. But I really don't want to leave them out there raw. Not only is it ugly, it's just not a good idea. So what does Google expect us to do?
        It's very unlikely that this is the result of your link cloaking plugin. I use a link cloaking plugin on my main website which is ranking #3 for it's main keyword. That site is 2 months old and got sandboxed for a few weeks in late August/early September. If this is all the result of the sandbox effect, quit trying to find ways to get out of it. The only thing you can actually do during this time is continue creating high quality, unique content, build links, and make sure your on-page SEO is nice and neat. You're not going to beat the sandbox effect, you just have to wait it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
    Also I wanna add...being sandboxed normally happens because google doesn't know if your site will be around for a long time. A secret to getting around this? By your domain names for 5 years or more. When you get a domain name, make sure you pay for 5 years instead of just one.

    Most fly by night scams buy 1 year which is why Google changed their algorythymns to get rid of those types of people. But if your site is paid up until 5 years, they know you'll be around a while. This isn't the only thing you can do to stay out of the sandbox, but this is a huge help, trust me.
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    • Profile picture of the author claycath
      Good info PPV Guru, I wonder if it will help to go ahead an renew it for 5 years if your site is already de-indexed?
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
      Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

      Also I wanna add...being sandboxed normally happens because google doesn't know if your site will be around for a long time. A secret to getting around this? By your domain names for 5 years or more. When you get a domain name, make sure you pay for 5 years instead of just one.

      Most fly by night scams buy 1 year which is why Google changed their algorythymns to get rid of those types of people. But if your site is paid up until 5 years, they know you'll be around a while. This isn't the only thing you can do to stay out of the sandbox, but this is a huge help, trust me.
      I've never heard of this. What makes you think it would matter? Have you tested this?

      OP - What kind of sites were they? One or two page MFA sites by chance? If not, and you have put alot of time and effort into the site, you could try to build more content and appeal to google to get indexed again. If it's just a one-page MFA site or some other terrible site, and you didnt spend alot of time on content, I think you are better off starting over.

      Just so you know - you can't get deindexed from building too many links too fast, even with heavy automation.
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      • Profile picture of the author OrganicSeoGuru
        Originally Posted by Bill_Z View Post

        I've never heard of this. What makes you think it would matter? Have you tested this?

        OP - What kind of sites were they? One or two page MFA sites by chance? If not, and you have put alot of time and effort into the site, you could try to build more content and appeal to google to get indexed again. If it's just a one-page MFA site or some other terrible site, and you didnt spend alot of time on content, I think you are better off starting over.

        Just so you know - you can't get deindexed from building too many links too fast, even with heavy automation.
        I will back this up, I have done extensive testing with this over the last several years, but you have to realize its not a one size fits all.

        If you site is a garbage MFA type of site, your site wont even fall into the algo for advancement, as the site does not fit even the basic criteria.

        This is a very long and deep topic, but they absolutely look at all the other ranking sites / pages in that niche and do a benchmarking of each category, then if your site is way out of the expected norm your asking for problems (This in includes the expected source of incoming links, the expected velocity of link augmentation, etc)

        Registering your Domain for 5 years is of no value you to you if your site is just crap and you know its crap.

        Common sense and your gut feeling will ensure you know what is right and whats not, ( unless your a sociopath or something like that, LOL)
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      • Profile picture of the author TheAdsenseGuy
        Originally Posted by Bill_Z View Post

        I've never heard of this. What makes you think it would matter? Have you tested this?

        If it's just a one-page MFA site or some other terrible site, and you didnt spend alot of time on content, I think you are better off starting over.

        Have to disagree. Google has no problems with 1 page content sites, as long as have an article, video and some outbound links to authority sites within your niche. So basically, if you're trying to help the searcher find what they are looking for, Google has no problem with 1 page sites. I have tons of them on page 1 of Google and they stick there.

        So if you're site dissapeared you should go and read Googles Webmaster Guidelines. If you can find out anything that you did wrong, then fix your site.

        Then, log into Google Webmaster Tools and submit your site for Reconsideration to Google. Wait a couple weeks and you should be reindexed -- as long as you don't have anything against Googles TOS within your site.

        Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author ChristineP
      Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

      Also I wanna add...being sandboxed normally happens because google doesn't know if your site will be around for a long time. A secret to getting around this? By your domain names for 5 years or more. When you get a domain name, make sure you pay for 5 years instead of just one.

      Most fly by night scams buy 1 year which is why Google changed their algorythymns to get rid of those types of people. But if your site is paid up until 5 years, they know you'll be around a while. This isn't the only thing you can do to stay out of the sandbox, but this is a huge help, trust me.
      Any chance you can point to a reliable source of this information? Matt Cutts? or other document?

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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

      Also I wanna add...being sandboxed normally happens because google doesn't know if your site will be around for a long time. A secret to getting around this? By your domain names for 5 years or more. When you get a domain name, make sure you pay for 5 years instead of just one.

      Most fly by night scams buy 1 year which is why Google changed their algorythymns to get rid of those types of people. But if your site is paid up until 5 years, they know you'll be around a while. This isn't the only thing you can do to stay out of the sandbox, but this is a huge help, trust me.
      This has been debunked by Google:

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      • Profile picture of the author OrganicSeoGuru
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        This has been debunked by Google:

        YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

        Why don't you test it out for yourself, You don't actually believe everything he says word for word do you ?

        The whole debate of No Follow is a perfect example, there are still tests site most SEO are working on in which variations of the No Follow, still provide measurable benefits with ranking and on page optimization factors.

        Matt is Google's Spin Doctor, you need to except it, many of the topic he talks about are absolutely valid and he is a great guy, I have spoken to him at countless conferences, but the spin doctor approach is aimed at the majority of weekend warrior SEO's, those are the ones the cause the indexes the majority of the problems. They are always looking for the quick fix or believe the "sucker is born every minute" type of products that get pitched endlessly on here..

        You need to understand most of the guys that push that crap don't even use the tools or software on their own top level / tier 1 sites, as they know the results...

        True Seo is always in the Grey, but there is a tremendous amount of time put into building quality content for users that has a end goal of being link bait.
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by OrganicSeoGuru View Post

          Why don't you test it out for yourself, You don't actually believe everything he says word for word do you ?

          The whole debate of No Follow is a perfect example, there are still tests site most SEO are working on in which variations of the No Follow, still provide measurable benefits with ranking and on page optimization factors.
          Hi OrganicSeoGuru,

          I have accumulated many years of test data and so have many others. While I understand that Cutts must represent Google's interests, it's not in Google's interest to lose credibility in their spokesman. Naturally Matt leaves out information that may encourage artificial manipulation or other dubious activity, generally I find what he says to be quite credible. If he were to make statements that where flat out false there would be a wave of outrage coming from industry insiders along with data that proves the lies. I don't find innuendo as credible opposition. If you know of verifiable lies told by Cutts let's see it!

          The Nofollow debate is an invalid argument in my opinion. The reason Nofollow links are effective have nothing to do with how Google treats them. You see, any promotional effort can have a positive benefit. Some of the highest ranking websites in highly competitive markets have earned their rankings through offline advertising. Anything that drives massive amounts of targeted traffic to a website with useful content will benefit indirectly in search engine rankings. Naturally, that includes nofollow backlinks that have absolutely no link juice.

          That indirect benefit is not unlike the one you see from Pay-Per-Click advertising. Google claims they don't boost organic rankings from PPC customers, yet most advertisers realize a significant boost in organic rankings. This happens, not because Google is favoring their PPC customers, those advertisers are benefiting from the increased awareness created by their ad campaigns that indirectly influences organic rankings. The same indirect benefit that PPC advertising causes on organic rankings happens for nofollow backlinks.
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      • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        This has been debunked by Google:

        YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

        The amazing thing is I never said anything about the 5 year URL helping rankings at all. Yet it was thrown in there as if I said it and everyone jumped on it like I thought it was the Gospel.

        What I said was (or was trying to say but it didn't come out right), the longer you register your domain name the better as it helps establish your staying power with Google. That's was what I said.

        To break down further (to prevent more people from twisting my words and blasting me while I'm away for a few days over something i DIDN'T say) by staying power, I mean just that. Google will know you will be around along.

        Now, did I say it helps rankings? Read what I said, never mentioned that. Rankings are determined by 90% (not an official number, for you stat seekers, just my own experience over the last 5 years) of your ON page seo and 10% by your OFF page seo.

        That's all I'm gonna say about this so, if you guys twisting my words are feeling aggressive again, go ahead and twist something else and bombard me with unnecessary rude rebuttals. I don't have time to get into that stuff, I'd rather spend my time making money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
          Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post


          What I said was (or was trying to say but it didn't come out right), the longer you register your domain name the better as it helps establish your staying power with Google. That's was what I said.

          Now, did I say it helps rankings? Read what I said, never mentioned that. Rankings are determined by 90% (not an official number, for you stat seekers, just my own experience over the last 5 years) of your ON page seo and 10% by your OFF page seo.
          These two paragraphs demonstrate how little knowledge you really do have on the subject.

          Ok, so registering your domain for longer periods of time improves your staying power with Google? What exactly is staying power? Since it doesn't improve your rankings, I'm curious about staying power.

          And rankings are determined by 90% on-page? Seriously??? 5 years of experience and you think 90% of the ranking algorithm is dependent on on-page?

          Nobody was getting rude with you, in fact they were trying to prevent the dissemination of false information here.

          Don't give people advice or tips if you really don't know what you're talking about is all.
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          • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
            Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

            These two paragraphs demonstrate how little knowledge you really do have on the subject.

            Ok, so registering your domain for longer periods of time improves your staying power with Google? What exactly is staying power? Since it doesn't improve your rankings, I'm curious about staying power.

            And rankings are determined by 90% on-page? Seriously??? 5 years of experience and you think 90% of the ranking algorithm is dependent on on-page?

            Nobody was getting rude with you, in fact they were trying to prevent the dissemination of false information here.

            Don't give people advice or tips if you really don't know what you're talking about is all.
            This is one of my sites...

            site:ppvnichekiller.com - Google Search

            You're right, I know NOTHING about what I'm talking about. All I do is read listen to what a bunch of other people say and take their word for it instead of practicing what I preach...smh
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            • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
              Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

              This is one of my sites...

              site:ppvnichekiller.com - Google Search

              You're right, I know NOTHING about what I'm talking about. All I do is read listen to what a bunch of other people say and take their word for it instead of practicing what I preach...smh
              Great...you can build a website? Hurray for you. In further reading through this thread, nearly all of your responses are filled with false information.

              You might be able to fool someone with less experience than me, but you really have no clue what you're talking about. And instead of hindering the efforts of others by providing false information, maybe you should just not saying anything at all.

              PPV - how to make money online for free for kids Make NEW wealth - this made me LoL
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              • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
                Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                Great...you can build a website? Hurray for you. In further reading through this thread, nearly all of your responses are filled with false information.

                You might be able to fool someone with less experience than me, but you really have no clue what you're talking about. And instead of hindering the efforts of others by providing false information, maybe you should just not saying anything at all.
                "False information" that makes me money for years? There's logic. This is also my last time responding to this foolishness. I'm about to get into my football mode. But if you looked at the information with common sense, you see I'm indexed 5900 times.

                And doing that using the methods you and others call BS. Now, I"m not selling an SEO product here so I gain nothing from the information. I was just merely trying to help.

                But I don't frequent the WF much anymore and I JUST remembered why. Only on the forum will you receive the greatest punishment for sharing your experience within a certain niche. I'll go back to silent mode and keep my secrets to myself then instead of trying to help. Good luck to you guys.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
                  Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

                  "False information" that makes me money for years? There's logic. This is also my last time responding to this foolishness. I'm about to get into my football mode. But if you looked at the information with common sense, you see I'm indexed 5900 times.

                  And doing that using the methods you and others call BS. Now, I"m not selling an SEO product here so I gain nothing from the information. I was just merely trying to help.

                  But I don't frequent the WF much anymore and I JUST remembered why. Only on the forum will you receive the greatest punishment for sharing your experience within a certain niche. I'll go back to silent mode and keep my secrets to myself then instead of trying to help. Good luck to you guys.
                  OMG. You can get 5900 pages indexed. Nevermind, I take it all back. You are a master of SEO!!

                  I learned a long time ago that just because someone says they are making money, doesn't mean they really are.

                  With the information you've stated here, it's pretty obvious to me that you have no idea what you're talking about. And you never answered my question, what's staying power with Google?

                  I can't seem to find a definition. Registering your domain for more time gives you more staying power...

                  Does this mean that if my website and Google were at a party together that my website would be able to hold it's liquor better or what?
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                • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
                  Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

                  "False information" that makes me money for years?
                  Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (Domain Names, Web Hosting and SSL Certificates - Go Daddy)
                  Domain Name: PPVNICHEKILLER.COM
                  Created on: 17-Apr-10
                  Expires on: 17-Apr-11
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                  • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
                    Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (Domain Names, Web Hosting and SSL Certificates - Go Daddy)
                    Domain Name: PPVNICHEKILLER.COM
                    Created on: 17-Apr-10
                    Expires on: 17-Apr-11
                    I didn't renew it for 5 years cause I don't plan to sell this product for more than another 6 months. At any rate, again, the life of the doamin name doesn't mean anything about rankings and I never said it did so I don't know why you're even posting that. Get a life dude, seriously.

                    Having said that, I really didn't have to explain that to you but I was bored this morning and going back and forth with you when you think you know what you're talking about but no nothing, was entertaining to me. I have no problem with you or how you think I don't make money with this information I give you.

                    However, it doesn't stop the fact that I haven't worked for another person in 3 years. Doesn't stop the fact that my sites are indexed in large quantities and it doesn't stop the fact that I'm successful with what I do. Proving it to you will do nothing (as we see already what you do to visual proof) as you will just find a way to keep an argument going for whatever mediocre reason you have swimming inside of your head.
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                  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
                    Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (Domain Names, Web Hosting and SSL Certificates - Go Daddy)
                    Domain Name: PPVNICHEKILLER.COM
                    Created on: 17-Apr-10
                    Expires on: 17-Apr-11
                    Yeah, that'll show google you have staying power!

                    zero backlinks, PR0, and a site map that that is not done correctly.

                    And people wonder why...

                    How does registering a domain for 5 years show anything to google? Like they care?
                    If they cared, then maybe pre-paying hosting fees for 5 years would do
                    even better! Google has got to love that!

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          • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
            Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post


            And rankings are determined by 90% on-page? Seriously??? 5 years of experience and you think 90% of the ranking algorithm is dependent on on-page?
            I just reread this and I see what you're saying. I keep forgetting that I build my sites differently than everyone else. I'll fix this.

            The way I build MY sites, it's 90% on page seo and 10% off page. My sites are self sustaining simply becuase I build authority sites and I'm not gonna get into that. But, most people can't build them like I do, they have smaller sites, one page, maybe 12 pages, if it's a blog 100 pages or so...they have to do a LOOOOOOOT more off page seo than I do.

            Something like 20% on page, 80% off page. But my sites, because of the size and the optimization, they are self sustaining and dont' need any article marketing and whatnot to get going.

            Nevertheless, I do the off page seo just enough to get some steady traffic while I wait for google to rank my pages higher and higher.

            I jsut had to fix that cause I didn't really read your responses (because I didn't care what you had to say really...lol) But reread that and was like, "oh yeah, forgot, I have custom softwares that do what 98% of the seo guys can't do."

            So, there's my explanation to that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
              Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

              I just reread this and I see what you're saying. I keep forgetting that I build my sites differently than everyone else. I'll fix this.

              The way I build MY sites, it's 90% on page seo and 10% off page. My sites are self sustaining simply becuase I build authority sites and I'm not gonna get into that. But, most people can't build them like I do, they have smaller sites, one page, maybe 12 pages, if it's a blog 100 pages or so...they have to do a LOOOOOOOT more off page seo than I do.

              Something like 20% on page, 80% off page. But my sites, because of the size and the optimization, they are self sustaining and dont' need any article marketing and whatnot to get going.

              Nevertheless, I do the off page seo just enough to get some steady traffic while I wait for google to rank my pages higher and higher.

              I jsut had to fix that cause I didn't really read your responses (because I didn't care what you had to say really...lol) But reread that and was like, "oh yeah, forgot, I have custom softwares that do what 98% of the seo guys can't do."

              So, there's my explanation to that.
              Thought that last one was your last reponse?

              Custom Softwares...seriously I can't stop loling.
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              • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
                Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                Thought that last one was your last reponse?

                Custom Softwares...seriously I can't stop loling.
                Like I said, you were entertainment for me this morning. Haven't talk to a strong skeptic in a long time.

                To help build sites. Not to spam my links for backlinks. In case you didn't realize, this is common place too. Xsitepro builds sites, word press builds sites, joomla, i can go on.

                But because I have my own custom one that builds sites, that's a reason to LOL about? Wow.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
                  Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

                  Like I said, you were entertainment for me this morning. Haven't talk to a strong skeptic in a long time.

                  To help build sites. Not to spam my links for backlinks. In case you didn't realize, this is common place too. Xsitepro builds sites, word press builds sites, joomla, i can go on.

                  But because I have my own custom one that builds sites, that's a reason to LOL about? Wow.
                  You don't spam your links for backlinks, that's for sure. Because you're too worried about spinning garbage content on all 5900 pages of your website.

                  Here's a quote directly from one page on your site. I'll let others here determine if you actually have any idea what you are talking about:

                  What if I actually naked to you there takes place to become a transmit to justly pocket hits away from Yahoo, Bing, AND, Google , not solely presently over discard embattled passage but upper converting, very rewarding embattled visitors from people who sincerely opt for to grip YOUR merchandise or defense ?

                  Dude, give up. You have no clue what you're talking about with regards to SEO, domains, or probably anything else.

                  You showed off your 5900 pages indexed like it was some kind of trophy.

                  The only reason I posted in this thread was to let other people know that you were making BS stuff up. Some people here like to learn what it really takes to make money, not your Voodoo charm SEO which involves registering domains for 5 years for more "staying power", and spinning up 1000s of garbage pages of content and then bragging about it.

                  Now, I've got work to do so I'll let you have the last word. Good luck, please don't lead new SEO's down false paths. Thanks.
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                  • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
                    Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                    You don't spam your links for backlinks, that's for sure. Because you're too worried about spinning garbage content on all 5900 pages of your website.

                    Here's a quote directly from one page on your site. I'll let others here determine if you actually have any idea what you are talking about:

                    What if I actually naked to you there takes place to become a transmit to justly pocket hits away from Yahoo, Bing, AND, Google , not solely presently over discard embattled passage but upper converting, very rewarding embattled visitors from people who sincerely opt for to grip YOUR merchandise or defense ?

                    Dude, give up. You have no clue what you're talking about with regards to SEO, domains, or probably anything else.

                    You showed off your 5900 pages indexed like it was some kind of trophy.

                    The only reason I posted in this thread was to let other people know that you were making BS stuff up. Some people here like to learn what it really takes to make money, not your Voodoo charm SEO which involves registering domains for 5 years for more "staying power", and spinning up 1000s of garbage pages of content and then bragging about it.
                    LOL...i guess you made your choice.

                    Good chat dude (no sarcasm, that was really fun).
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

      By your domain names for 5 years or more. When you get a domain name, make sure you pay for 5 years instead of just one
      False. This is Voodoo, feel-good SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

      Also I wanna add...being sandboxed normally happens because google doesn't know if your site will be around for a long time.
      WHAT?????????????

      Where do you people get this stuff? Seriously!!!!!!!!!!

      I can't say that's the most ridiculous post of the day. One more in this thread
      trumps it:

      Originally Posted by OrganicSeoGuru View Post
      3) You need to ensure your Registrar data is at the very minimum private, yes Google can check
      Where do you people hang out? Cuz I wanna party with you, cowboy!

      Well, google can check. Anyone can check, really.

      Of course we can't forget another:
      Move your site to a new server with a new C Class Ip,...
      No wonder this forum is filled with people claiming to be sandboxed, de-indexed,
      banned, etc. You are following some witch doctor and their voodoo SEO.

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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Originally Posted by PPV Guru View Post

      Also I wanna add...being sandboxed normally happens because google doesn't know if your site will be around for a long time. A secret to getting around this? By your domain names for 5 years or more. When you get a domain name, make sure you pay for 5 years instead of just one.

      Most fly by night scams buy 1 year which is why Google changed their algorythymns to get rid of those types of people. But if your site is paid up until 5 years, they know you'll be around a while. This isn't the only thing you can do to stay out of the sandbox, but this is a huge help, trust me.
      This is not true from my experience. I have seen it happen to both 1 year old domains or less and ones that have been doing well for some time.

      The most recent one I am dealing with is 5 years old with no black hat or massive linking campaigns and is very white hat and several dozen highly relevant links. It just all of a sudden dropped off Googles index a few months back and has several dozen back links from respectable places.

      The irony is I have had many sites that acquired thousands of back links a week and are still doing well.
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  • Profile picture of the author OrganicSeoGuru
    Originally Posted by samcarson View Post

    I cannot find a few of my sites in google since a month. If I delete the entire content and create a totally new site with unique content and a new design, will google treat this as a new site and index it back?

    Thanks

    Sam

    This depends on a lot of factors:

    Here is a list that you should follow for "debugging"

    1) Why was your site SBoxed, what did you actually do, ( it makes a difference) ( off page hidden content, black hat cloaking, spam linking, linking out to poison sites, selling links, your site was hacked and you don't know yet, etc, etc, etc)

    2) Lets say you just created some basic spam link wheels, or used some automated tool that left footprints every where linking back to you,

    3) You need to ensure your Registrar data is at the very minimum private, yes Google can check, but you really need to screw things up big time to make that happen ( Eg: Do 100K if fake charges with Google Checkout, Withdraw the cash Close down the deposit account and move on)

    4) Move your site to a new server with a new C Class Ip,

    5) Never use any of the same content, rewrite the CSS Class and Divs, New Image Names, Whatever

    6) Start building new links, but do not use the same pattern you used before,


    7) Let us know how it goes....
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Originally Posted by OrganicSeoGuru View Post

      3) You need to ensure your Registrar data is at the very minimum private, yes Google can check
      This is a false statement as confirmed by several different registrars.
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  • Profile picture of the author evanlambda
    I found this happening a lot to my lower quality sites. Get lots of high quality, relevant, unique content for your money site and you should be reindexed within a month or so. This is just from my experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author samcarson
    My site was not a MFA site, it has a lot of good content I am not sure if I am allowed to post the URL here, if anyone knows the Forum rules fully and tell me it's fine I will post it.

    I used an automatic social bookmarking service run by a warrior. Other than this and high profile backlinks run by another popular warrior, rest of the methods were articles, press releases etc

    The domain age is over 2 years old so that's not an issue either.

    Thanks to all of you that replied. I would like to hit the thanks button for each one of you, I do not see the button on these threads. Any ideas why it is not showing?

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  • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
    Good post....I have a webiste that seems to be deindexed (It was up in July doing GREAT and a few weeks till now no listings at all) I have sent google emails to re look at my site to be placed back into index to no provail. So am I to belive if I add or take away and make FRESH Content and then ping the site they will re index me?
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by DNChamp View Post

      Good post....I have a webiste that seems to be deindexed (It was up in July doing GREAT and a few weeks till now no listings at all) I have sent google emails to re look at my site to be placed back into index to no provail. So am I to belive if I add or take away and make FRESH Content and then ping the site they will re index me?
      Hi DNChamp,

      Did you check to see if you are actually de-indexed? Not ranking isn't the same thing as being de-indexed. If indeed you are de-indexed then you have a problem with your website that must be resolved before Google will reconsider indexing your website. Have you found out what is wrong with your website? If not, there is no reason to ask Google for reconsideration.

      If you haven't already done it, you should verify your website with Google's Webmaster Tools, there you will find some details about any issues that Google found with your website.
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      • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Hi DNChamp,

        Did you check to see if you are actually de-indexed? Not ranking isn't the same thing as being de-indexed. If indeed you are de-indexed then you have a problem with your website that must be resolved before Google will reconsider indexing your website. Have you found out what is wrong with your website? If not, there is no reason to ask Google for reconsideration.

        If you haven't already done it, you should verify your website with Google's Webmaster Tools, there you will find some details about any issues that Google found with your website.
        Im in google webmaster tools....they did not give me any reason WHY they deindexed me. Im in no searches at all and the typical site:yourdomain.com is nothing. I pinged my site yesterday with a tool and nothing.....I have orig content BUT have not done a thing with it since july when the de-index started........So what can I do as this could be a money site
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by DNChamp View Post

          Im in google webmaster tools....they did not give me any reason WHY they deindexed me. Im in no searches at all and the typical site:yourdomain.com is nothing. I pinged my site yesterday with a tool and nothing.....I have orig content BUT have not done a thing with it since july when the de-index started........So what can I do as this could be a money site
          Hi DNChamp,

          Did you look under Diagnostics for any errors or suggestions? Does the Crawl stats show Googlebot activity? Did you check Crawler access under Site Configuration? Have you submitted a sitemap? There's usually some clues in there that will lead you to the source of the problem.
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          • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            Hi DNChamp,

            Did you look under Diagnostics for any errors or suggestions? Does the Crawl stats show Googlebot activity? Did you check Crawler access under Site Configuration? Have you submitted a sitemap? There's usually some clues in there that will lead you to the source of the problem.
            Ok here is what I found......

            Diagnostics = NO malware, no crawl errors, HTML suggestions says no data avaiable

            Crawl stats per day 23 high, 4 average

            Have a sitemap that reads 15 urls submitted 1 indexed (which one I have no idea)

            Crawler access shows robot .txt file 9 hours ago 200 (success)

            What the hell am I doing wrong. Also just got an email yesterday from Google about the reconsideration of being indexed....here is what they said....

            We received a request from a site owner to reconsider how we index the following site: http://www.MYDOMAIN.com/.
            We've now reviewed your site. When we review a site, we check to see if it's in violation of our Webmaster Guidelines. If we don't find any problems, we'll reconsider our indexing of your site. If your site still doesn't appear in our search results, check our Help Center for steps you can take.

            I got this same message back in 8-11-2010 and still nothing. How can I tell if my domain name alone is blacklisted? Could that alone be the issue?
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            • Profile picture of the author dburk
              Originally Posted by DNChamp View Post

              Ok here is what I found......

              Diagnostics = NO malware, no crawl errors, HTML suggestions says no data avaiable

              Crawl stats per day 23 high, 4 average

              Have a sitemap that reads 15 urls submitted 1 indexed (which one I have no idea)

              Crawler access shows robot .txt file 9 hours ago 200 (success)

              What the hell am I doing wrong. Also just got an email yesterday from Google about the reconsideration of being indexed....here is what they said....

              We received a request from a site owner to reconsider how we index the following site: http://www.MYDOMAIN.com/.
              We've now reviewed your site. When we review a site, we check to see if it's in violation of our Webmaster Guidelines. If we don't find any problems, we'll reconsider our indexing of your site. If your site still doesn't appear in our search results, check our Help Center for steps you can take.

              I got this same message back in 8-11-2010 and still nothing. How can I tell if my domain name alone is blacklisted? Could that alone be the issue?
              Hi DNChamp,

              What about HTML suggestions? What did it say in that section of Diagnostics? Since they indicate that one of your pages have been indexed, the problem may be in your title tags or meta descriptions. There could also be an improper redirect, 302 instead of 301 or something like that. The HTML suggestions is typically where you will see those type of problems reported.

              Since you say you have no data in HTML suggestions then that seems to indicate they have only recently began analyzing your website. Perhaps they are in the process of re-indexing.
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              • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
                Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                Hi DNChamp,

                What about HTML suggestions? What did it say in that section of Diagnostics? Since they indicate that one of your pages have been indexed, the problem may be in your title tags or meta descriptions. There could also be an improper redirect, 302 instead of 301 or something like that. The HTML suggestions is typically where you will see those type of problems reported.

                Since you say you have no data in HTML suggestions then that seems to indicate they have only recently began analyzing your website. Perhaps they are in the process of re-indexing.

                Hmmm ok because it has been saying no data since the first day I added it to google webmasters back in July.....I may just call this site dead
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  • Profile picture of the author JaxxTiom
    Ya i recommend that you just focus on building some more content and some inbound links, give it some time and see where you are some weeks down the road. Worst case scenario you could always start with a fresh domain name.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
    By the way, this site makes me $5k a month JUST from the SEO side of things. I don't even promote this anymore, it's on autopilot. Again, just ONE of my sites....but I don't know what I'm talking about, I just make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
    Why don't you hit me up on skype or aol dude, I'll share some things with you. All this stuff we're doing right here? Entertainment.

    Why dont' you talk to me one on one and see what I'm really talking about concerning SEO and see if some of the things I show you can help you. Obviously, I'm not gonna post anything life changing right here in open forum. But I would love to share some nuggets with you on a private chat.

    Your call. PM me if you want to chat a lil bit before football comes on. Once the Redskins start playing, I'll be glued to the tube.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigDaddys101
      Whoa that went into Flame Fest Fast.

      Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, just post the facts and proof if your going to argue about it.

      Just want to sneak a question by,

      I thought I used to have a link but cant find it. Isn't there a post around here somewhere that can help you determine on and off page SEO problems with google operators?
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