About Google sandbox

by dilemma

Posted: 15 years ago 15 replies

I published 8 new sites in this autumn. They are all in sandbox now. They are indexed and were ranked in Google well but not anymore. I have 3 older sites (domains) which have inbound links and are maybe more trusted than those my new sites. These 3 older sites are not important and I was wondering if I build new sites on these older domains and get some backlinks. The content will change, it's not even in same language. Because they are old domains and have already some backlinks, do they avoid getting into Google sandbox?

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Dreamsight 15 years ago

We’re doing something very similar for a clients campaign. We’re resurrecting drop-catch domains with their original site content and then adding a new section relevant to both the original content and the site we are linking to. This gives us the best backlinks and keeps any links to the old original site.

Try not to delete/rename any page that is listed in Google, it’s much better to add a new page.
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- alexdv75 15 years ago
  
  It can be very nasty to get into a sandbox which acts as a spam filter and the websites take a long time to come out from there. The best solution is to build links slowly and use other filter pages first, for your articles. However I'm also curious about how many links actually triggers the site to land into a sandbox?
  
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shauryas 15 years ago

google sandbox only effective with in six months so your old website is avoiding the sandbox.
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sluxento 15 years ago

You will only get sandboxed if you build hundreds of links in one day and then nothing for the rest of the week, work steady..
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- dburk 15 years ago
  
  Hi dilemma,
  
  There is no Google Sandbox, at least not one related to SEO. What you are likely facing is simply superior competition for your targeted keyword. You must earn a higher ranking by optimizing your on-page content, internal link structure and then promote your individual webpages by building relevant backlinks from well ranked pages.
  
  The notion that you can somehow trick Google into ranking you higher is misguided and will likely result in you wasting a lot of time and money.
  
  Those older sites will not be any more helpful than building the same content from scratch, unless you leave the content that already exists and add new elements that link to your new web pages in a relevant fashion. Of course you could just get those same types of links from many other websites by launching a well thought out backlink campaign.
  
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Keyword Prodigy 15 years ago

Even if you build links all in one day they won't all be indexed at the same time. Sandboxing is something you have to put up with. Eventually you'll come out.
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Keyword Prodigy 15 years ago

Actually there is a sandbox and it works like clockwork. I can build a website and know literally to the day when it will disappear from the search engine results. I can also predict to the day when it will repappear. I've got this down to a find art now lol
I still don't understand what causes a site to get sandboxed as some don't, although I am sure it has nothing to do with speed of building links or anything related to link building.
Google is complicated!
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cbpayne 15 years ago

There is no sandbox. It just an excuse used by those with crap sites with crap SEO who can't get them ranking.

This should not be confused with the fresh content boost that all new sites tend to get when google first finds them. They then settle to their natural rankings after that - that is NOT the sandbox.
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- dilemma 15 years ago
  
  I know my sites' rankings dropped because of backlinks. Each site has 20-40 backlinks from blog comments, link directories, profile pages, free blogs etc. But those my new sites are not crap, they have unique and good content. Of course I vary anchor link texts.
  
  This same thing has happened many times earlier but nowadays Google drops ranking more "easier" that earlier.
  
  This is a little bit sad thing to me because I have worked hard for them and they made a lot of money before their rankings dropped.
  
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  cbpayne 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dilemma
  
  20-40 backlinks from blog comments, link directories, profile pages, free blogs etc.
  
  With such a crappy backlink profile consiting all of self promotional links, what were you expecting to happen? Get some real links of teh type that Google actually values.
  
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- paulgl 15 years ago
  
  People come up with terms like sandbox because they can't take the
  fact that their site may not be as good or as loved as they just know it
  is.
  
  So they must blame the big, bad google.
  
  Your sites do not live in a vacuum, nor do your competition's.
  
  Fluctuations happen! Shock!
  
  You cannot possibly know for certain what the sites above you
  have done, or are doing, to stay above you.
  
  Go forth and do better. Much better. In time, maybe, google will
  give you some love too.
  
  You cannot force google to love your site, no matter what some people
  say. You can't force google to degrade your competition either.
  
  De-indexing is not a sandbox.
  
  Maybe sandbox is a good term. Because it's normally used ad nauseum
  by people acting like kids in a sandbox.
  
  Paul
  
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dilemma

15 years ago

I'm an internet entrepreneur and have done this business for many years. I normally write an entire website and then put it to the net. Then build some backlinks (maybe 20-50) and forget the site and stop building backlinks. That has worked well. Very often a site gets good ranking for my keywords. I build backlinks the same way for every website. I don't understand why some websites losts their good rankings and some not. One of my about 4-5 months old website is top 5 in Google for my 3 main quite competitive keywords (not in English) and this site got its good ranking in 1-2 weeks and kept ranking stable all the time.

I don't know has Google changed things, but all my older sites has get out of this sandbox or whatever it is. And the strange thing is that 5 of my new sites lost their good rankings at the same time (in a same day).

I start now to write new sites and make backlinking differently. It's not normal that a new site gets 50 backlinks in one week. But maybe those my "sandboxed" sites get their good rankings again later.

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bgmacaw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dilemma

It's not normal that a new site gets 50 backlinks in one week.

It's actually very normal for new sites to get this many links and more in a week's time. New sites can go viral very quickly or be supported by existing sites and pick up 100's or even 1000's links or more during their first week without it causing any problem.

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Jordan Kovats

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

50 links a week is not a problem. I agree that sites can go viral and get 100's / 1000's of links in the first week if there is some thing good there. The problem is the source of those links. If 80% of the links came from blog posts, where the content / comment was 'good post' or 'great article' there is nothing viral about that. Same with Forum profile links with no activity. Whereas if the links were from CNN or Nypost, or Alltop or other types of 'quality' sites, then the links might mean something. The problem is 95% - 99% of sites that put up a lot of links in a short time, are links from the 'good post' or 'great article' variety.

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dilemma

15 years ago

Originally Posted by theseoguys

50 links a week is not a problem. I agree that sites can go viral and get 100's / 1000's of links in the first week if there is some thing good there. The problem is the source of those links.

You are right. But I always have got backlinks from profile pages (like Angela's backlinks), blog comments, link directories etc and get eventually good results. But my native language is not English and my sites are not in English. I have tried that kind of linkbuilding for my English websites and it not worked at all. I got poor rankings even not competitive 3-6 word keyword terms.

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