Websites Disappeared From Google

14 years ago

There could be a number of reasons why your site is no longer being indexed (issues in your backlink profile, technical issues with the site, site is violating TOS). Need a little more info to properly address the issue. Are you using webmaster tools? Perhaps you can find some information within webmaster tools as to why your sites are not indexed.

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diglet

14 years ago

Hi

Thanks for your reply.

I use webmaster tools but having logged in there doesn't appear to be any problems.

My backlink profile is very varied and I try to make this look as natural as possible without doing anything that would be frowned upon by Google.

I would say that my sites are better quality than most with great/valuable content and good varied backlinks.

Just cannot think what has happened but want to understand it, as I dont want it to happen again with my other sites.

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leclaims 14 years ago

Hard to say what happened without having a look at your domain. Feel free to list it here so others that are ambitious enough to look into it can, or PM it if you're not comfortable posting it here.
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Pradeep Bhagwat 14 years ago

If you are regular to this forum you might have seen number of posts about website dissapearing from first page, or ranking algorithm of Google. Google changes its strategy time to time for their benifit. Google want to deliver the best to visitors and for that this changes takes place. Now days these changes are so vast that all above things are happening. I think you shold wait and see if your sites are back to their possition. Other thing is now in every field competition is so tough that you can not remain relax! Keep trying.

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TheDebtEliminator

14 years ago

Greetings Diglet,

I would diversify my hosting immediately.

Use a different domain supplier and private ownership option.

Don't keep all of your eggs in one basket … kept it at 10 to 20-sites in one place.

My guess the problem is in your backlinks .... so do not link to the new sites.

All the Best ... Ron

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diglet

14 years ago

Hi

Thanks for your help with this.

The website to look at is Full Time Jobs

It has been number 1 in Google.co.uk for the term full time jobs for the last few months. It also gets loads of other traffic and rankings for hundreds of different terms.

All my sites are built pretty much the same (to get the adense click) but most of my others have not been effected. The backlink structure for this site is pretty much the same kind of structure for my uneffected sites.

Regards

Mark

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LovelyCornSyrup

14 years ago

There are a lot of reason the big G could have nuked your sites from their index. The real biggies are TOS violations like keyword stuffing, purchasing links, keyword cloaking, sites being associated with spamming, etc. No one can really tell you what's wrong with your site unless they can take a look at it. If you can finagle it I'd suggest you find someone with a decent post count with quality posts to take a look at it, or hire an SEO consultant if you got the cash.

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diglet

14 years ago

I never (to the best of my knowledge) do anything against TOS or anything to try and fool Google by cloaking, keyword stuffing etc..

Would my hosting being down when the sites were crawled cause them to be deindexed. Just a suggestion, not sure whether it was or not but not sure what else it could be!!

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cashcow

14 years ago

I'm sure this is not what you, or anyone, here wants to hear, but I've been building sites for 5 years and after hundreds of sites I can tell you that sometimes totally white hat sites do get de-indexed for apparently no reason.

Why? Who knows but it happens.

You could try for a re-inclusion request, but I would remove the two giant adsense blocks from the top of the page. I remember reading a while back that google frowns upon sites where the ads are in a big block like that above the fold since it is obvious your main goal is to get them to click. Perhaps a jealous competitor reported your sites as MFA?

Also, your sites might just magically reappear too, that happened with a few of mine but it was several years after they got deindexed.

Lee

Added - just searched and found this google blog post - perhaps they thought your site violated this:
http://adsense.blogspot.com/2008/03/...mizations.html

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LovelyCornSyrup 14 years ago

Originally Posted by cashcow

Added - just searched and found this google blog post - perhaps they thought your site violated this:

Nice find. That's probably a biggie since the ads + keywords are the only things above the fold. I mean, I'm sure the advertisers aren't going to get a very good return if that's the case.
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LovelyCornSyrup

14 years ago

I really don't see anything that's a technical violation, but structurally your website is really out of date. Table based layouts with inline styling like your's were something that was really big in the early 2000s. Now a days you rarely if ever see them because it's such a pain to code, and with that in mind I'm sure it makes Google's job of crawling more difficult.

The styling and the bones really need to be updated. Because it kind of gives the impression that you're only interested in making money. Which in Google's eyes isn't a good thing. Your backlinks look fine, the content is an alright quality, but the presentation is really not good. As long as you've not done any cloaking or black hat stuff like that you could probably get re-indexed in a couple months after you update the presentation.

I dunno, that's my big take away, but then again I'm Web Design/Developer. If you're making a decent amount off of it I'd put in the money to hire an SEO consultant, and just see what their suggestions are before you do anything too rash. It's better to have a paid expert opinion than just someone's thoughts from a forum. At the very least the time it takes to get their suggestions will settle your nerves.

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scott33

14 years ago

sometimes when you have brand new sites, you will get placed in the sandbox and it will appear that your site has been de-indexed, don't worry you should be back tho, usually when you pass this sandbox your site comes back stronger.

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Just so everyone knows, this is not an Adsense issue; if Adsense had an issue with the site in question, they would simply stop rendering ads from displaying and he would receive an email stating why that site doesn't meet Adsense criteria for their program.

I can tell you this, I received one of those emails back in 2006 and that was enough to jerk the slack out of me as far as operating on the fringe with that sweet income stream.

That said, I'd advise the OP to add the required Adsense Privacy Policy to all of his websites A.S.A.P.!!! If they happen to check and that PP is not there, good luck...

Now, getting back to the issue at hand.

OP, you need to first check your Robots.txt to make sure you didn't inadvertently Disallow Googlebot. Since you built the site in XSitePro, that will take all of a few seconds.

Next, you need to understand that you have a potential URL canonical issue here. Follow along...

Your site is: http://www.fulltimejobs.org.uk

But there is also: http://www.fulltimejobs.org, which I'm assuming you are not the owner. You can correct me if my assumption is incorrect.

Although http://www.fulltimejobs.org redirects to http://fulltimejobs.com/, which then redirects to: http://us.fulltimejobs.com/, it's still a valid domain, which brings me to my next point.

Why not just acquire the .uk version? Or why not acquire another extension without the double .dots so that there is no confusion?

Originally Posted by LovelyCornSyrup

I really don't see anything that's a technical violation, but structurally your website is really out of date. Table based layouts with inline styling like your's were something that was really big in the early 2000s. Now a days you rarely if ever see them because it's such a pain to code...

I use a similar layout and have NO issues with Googlebot or any other SE Bot for that matter. There is absolutely no reason to change that layout because its a proven winner.

And as far as being a pain to code, A person could have ZERO coding experience ZERO HTML experience and build a site like that with XSitePro [provided the content and header was ready to go] within an hour or two, probably less. It takes me all of ten minutes to put up a site like that, no pain, much gain!

Originally Posted by LovelyCornSyrup

The styling and the bones really need to be updated. Because it kind of gives the impression that you're only interested in making money. Which in Google's eyes isn't a good thing.

Google is in the money making business.They are not in the Public Service Announcement business.

THEY want the OP and all of their Adsense Publishers to make $$$$ and lots of it. As long as his site is making money, Google is making money. That's why the Big G pulled in 7.3 Billion dollars in the 3rd QT of this year.

Originally Posted by LovelyCornSyrup

Your backlinks look fine, the content is an alright quality, but the presentation is really not good.

You probaly think this presentation is bad also: http://allaboutmeatloaf.com/, that site just sold for $2,400.00 and I guarantee you, the buyer cared only about one thing; how much $$$ that plain Jane site was making.

Oh, and you probably think this presentation sucks also: http://drudgereport.com/

Oh, and here's a site that does over six figures a year and most of us can agree that the jumbled layout is awful: http://joyofbaking.com/ BUT, the site is raking in the moolah!

My point is, presentation is not all that its cracked up to be.

Originally Posted by LovelyCornSyrup

As long as you've not done any cloaking or black hat stuff like that you could probably get re-indexed in a couple months after you update the presentation.

His issue has to do with that canonical URL quagmire.

Originally Posted by LovelyCornSyrup

I dunno, that's my big take away, but then again I'm Web Design/Developer. If you're making a decent amount off of it I'd put in the money to hire an SEO consultant, and just see what their suggestions are before you do anything too rash. It's better to have a paid expert opinion than just someone's thoughts from a forum. At the very least the time it takes to get their suggestions will settle your nerves.

That bolded statement could be classified as an oxymoron can't it? Aren't you essentially telling him to disregard YOUR thoughts?

At any rate, seeing that you just joined this forum, be advised, we have some of the top SEOers, IMers, AF marketers, CPA marketers in the business who call the WF home. If he can't get the answer here, he most likely won't get it anywhere else!

Giles, the Crew Chief

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diglet

14 years ago

Some great points made there.

The link from CashCow is very interesting to see, as some of the points of what not to do are what are being taught from some of the top adsense trainers, especially the part about blending your ads in with the colour of other navigation being against TOS.

Maybe I do have a problem with how the adsense is set out on my site but it is Google's index that I am not appearing in, the adsense program is fine and I am still receiving traffic and clicks from other search engines including bing and yahoo. Think I will be re-addressing this asap.

I have also been building sites for many years and a couple of years back I had a similar thing happen. I think the point about google deindexing white hat sites by mistake/in error is actually very valid and a very frightening thought.

Thanks for everyones input

Mark

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Wesley Atkins

14 years ago

Hey Mark,

Sorry to hear your having trouble with your sites. I've been doing SEO for over 10 years now and I've seen pretty much everything Google can throw at a domain.

The simple truth is, Google are now employing quality control staff to look at top ranking sites that rank for medium/high paying adsense keywords.

I think the problems with your site are... *Perception*

It looks like you have been given a penalty. If you type in your domain name at Google - fulltimejobs.org.uk you are not showing at the top. This is generally a sign that you have been given a penalty. To me it does not appear that this has happened as a result of a filter, but I believe it has been manually reviewed.

You also link to two other sites you own in the footer, which in itself is not a problem if you are not excessively cross linking, but they use the exact same template and just look like "Made For Adsense" sites.

To any manually reviewer, the site just looks like it has one purpose... "Making money from Google Adsense advertising".

To be honest these are not the type of sites that Google wants to rank at the top of their results. The site may have some good hand written content, but these days, that is not enough. You need to have an engaging / useful site. Something that Google wants to represent and place No:1 for your keywords.

...Not a templated, cookie cutter, made for adsense site.

Perception is everything...

Sorry for being harsh, but I just want to give it to you as I see it.

Here is a site of mine that gives you a good model to follow.. http://www.thegidietbreakthrough.com/

See the difference??

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins

The simple truth is, Google are now employing quality control staff to look at top ranking sites that rank for medium/high paying adsense keywords.

I think the problems with your site are... *Perception*

As long as there isn't a technical issue, such as an incorrect robots.txt, redirection problems or excessive server down time, involved I agree. It's a perception thing.

My guess is that your entire network of sites got the standard 30 second visual quality review and failed. In this review your content doesn't matter in the least. What matters is that your site (or sites) looks like a fairly common template Adsense site. If the index page looked like a fancy WordPress magazine site or a kludgy circa 1998 FrontPage site it probably would have passed. You can say your site isn't an "Made For Adsense" (MFA) site but it looks the part.

Also, as was mentioned, it doesn't have anything to do with the Adsense TOS. Adsense probably had no issue with your sites or else you would have heard from them about it. They terminate your Adsense account, they don't handling deindexing. You ran afoul a different department at Google, search quality.

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candoit2

14 years ago

Originally Posted by diglet

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I hope someone could offer me some advice. I run a number of adsense websites (approx 30) that all run off the same hosting package. On 21st October 2 of them totally disappeared from Google's index. If I do a search such as site:mydomain.com it shows no results, also Google analytics is showing no traffic from Google since the 21st when these 2 sites were each getting around 1000 per day.

When I build websites I only use quality unique content that I write myself and never use any duplicate content at all. To my knowledge I do nothing against Google's TOS but don't understand why the sites would have disappeared. Can anyone offer any advice on what could have happened and how I can get them back in the index?

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It is possible you have done nothing wrong and could have purchased a previously registered domain that was blacklisted?

BLACKLISTALERT.ORG - Test if your IP or DOMAIN is listed in a spamdatabase give this a try and see if you are on any blacklists. It's good to check out before buying a domain.

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diglet

14 years ago

Hi

Thanks for all your suggestions as to what has gone wrong. If this was your site what would you do next, redesign it and do a reinclusion request?

I also have many other sites that look very similar, should I be worried and do you think I need to redesign all my websites that look that way?

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Mark

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by diglet

Hi

Thanks for all your suggestions as to what has gone wrong. If this was your site what would you do next, redesign it and do a reinclusion request?

I also have many other sites that look very similar, should I be worried and do you think I need to redesign all my websites that look that way?

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Mark

Do you understand what you did with this site concerning the URL canonical issue?

Giles, the Crew Chief

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Wesley Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by diglet

Hi

Thanks for all your suggestions as to what has gone wrong. If this was your site what would you do next, redesign it and do a reinclusion request?

I also have many other sites that look very similar, should I be worried and do you think I need to redesign all my websites that look that way?

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Mark

Exactly. Redesign them all, and then file a reinclusion request on the ones that don't show in Google when you search for the domain name.

In the request tell them what has happened, why you think it happened, what you did to correct it, and why you are never going to do it again?

Good luck.

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins

Exactly. Redesign them all, and then file a reinclusion request on the ones that don't show in Google when you search for the domain name.

In the request tell them what has happened, why you think it happened, what you did to correct it, and why you are never going to do it again?

Good luck.

Sir, that is absolutely terrible advice!

His issue has got nothing to do with design. I could show you a TON of websites that have similar designs and they have been making money for over five years.

Many of the Adsense sites in our network, utilize the same design and those generate on average $1,000.00 each per month with Adsense. It's not a design issue; he's got a canonical URL issue.

Some people would call it hijacking a URL.

But hey, if he wants to go through redesigning all of his sites and not address the root cause of his problems let him have at it.

Honestly, that URL issue is like the pink elephant in the room; everyone one sees it but they CHOOSE to ignore it.

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John Hocking 14 years ago

It could be do to glitch on Googles part.

I had a #1 ranking site that vanished since the first week of Oct.
I had not changed anything on this site in a long time.

I checked again today and it is back in place again.

I have also notices that hundreds of pages on the others sites that had vanished are back again as well.
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Wesley Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Sir, that is absolutely terrible advice!

I disagree.. If there is one piece of bad advice doing the rounds its following adsense as a business model. Don't get me wrong I used to do this back in 2005. I had over 1200+ domains all making money from adsense with a worse templates than his and I made a killing doing this. After my domains got hit, I realized that Adsense is not a business, its trading dollars for dimes.

Building a real customer relationship orientated business with good content, and an attractive website is hardly bad advice.

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

His issue has got nothing to do with design. I could show you a TON of websites that have similar designs and they have been making money for over five years.

Hey man I'm with ya, again I had worse sites making money for years, but its a fact that Google human reviewers are doing the rounds on medium/high paying keywords and unfortunately it seems like here's got reviewed.

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Many of the Adsense sites in our network, utilize the same design and those generate on average $1,000.00 each per month with Adsense. It's not a design issue; he's got a canonical URL issue.

You've either been lucky not to get a human review, or your keywords are under the radar.

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Some people would call it hijacking a URL.

But hey, if he wants to go through redesigning all of his sites and not address the root cause of his problems let him have at it.

Honestly, that URL issue is like the pink elephant in the room; everyone one sees it but they CHOOSE to ignore it.

I cannot see how this is a URL canonical issue. And your comment below, makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Your site is: Full Time Jobs

But there is also: Full Time Jobs USA - Full Time & Part Time Job Search in America, which I'm assuming you are not the owner. You can correct me if my assumption is incorrect.

Although Full Time Jobs USA - Full Time & Part Time Job Search in America redirects to Full Time Jobs USA - Full Time & Part Time Job Search in America, which then redirects to: Full Time Jobs USA - Full Time & Part Time Job Search in America, it's still a valid domain, which brings me to my next point.

Why not just acquire the .uk version? Or why not acquire another extension without the double .dots so that there is no confusion?

In the UK, we have different domain extensions..

.org.uk
.co.uk
.ac.uk

His website Full Time Jobs is a completely seperate entity to those you mentioned and none of them redirect to his domain Full Time Jobs.

So this has nothing to do with URL Hijacking..

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

His issue has got nothing to do with design. I could show you a TON of websites that have similar designs and they have been making money for over five years.

Yes, I've seen them too. But they've been lucky and haven't gotten the 30 second manual visual 'quality review' followed by a deindex which probably will include any other sites linked by Adsense, Analytics and/or Webmaster Tools without as much as a 30 second review. You're right in that it doesn't have anything to do with the coding quality of the site. What matters is the look of the index page and if the index page of the site matches what quality reviewers sitting in a cubicle in India have been given as an example of an MFA site.

On the canonical issue, are you saying that Google's algorithm is confusing .org.uk with .org? That doesn't seem to make sense unless he, his name server or hosting are redirecting the domains incorrectly. Also, he said that he had more that one site deindexed so, absent any overall configuration problems, it looks like a manual deindex.

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kentaiwan98

14 years ago

Originally Posted by diglet

Hi

If this was your site what would you do next, redesign it and do a reinclusion request?

I also have many other sites that look very similar, should I be worried and do you think I need to redesign all my websites that look that way?

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Mark

SEO advice: url canonicalization

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Keyword Prodigy

14 years ago

It's quite normal for Google to de-index websites and then re-index them. This can happen several times before your website finally settles.

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seolearner09 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Keyword Prodigy

It's quite normal for Google to de-index websites and then re-index them. This can happen several times before your website finally settles.

Hi

Can you have pages being de-indexed? I have a site and started building backlinks to 3 of the pages within the site (about 1-3 backlinks per day) about 2 weeks ago, and at the weekend one of those pages was not in the site:mydomain search (also add content once per week or every two weeks).

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Wesley Atkins

14 years ago

Listen up Mark. After looking more closely at your domains, It seems you have a bunch of really good exact match domains that are easy to rank for and have high search volume.

Don't risk getting them banned in Google with these cookie cutter, double adsense block templates.

These domains could create you a ton of money with lead generation..

If these were my domains, here is what I would do.

1. Take one site at a time and install Wordpress and a nice template on the root of the domain.
2. Take all the original content you have on the site and add them as backdated posts.
3. Set your homepage as a lead generation page that collects CV's from job opportunity seekers.
4. Set up deals with a bunch of employment agencies that will pay you for each CV.

You may even be able to get paid multiple times for each CV you receive.

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diglet

14 years ago

Hi

Just something to throw into the mix. I have had a look at all my domain and I appear to have had around 15 of them deindexed. Not all of them looked like the full time jobs site. Have a look at this domain:

Marks and Spencer Jobs

It was built with Wordpress and the Thesis design. The site is only around 6 weeks old. I understand that new sites can bounce in and out of Google but even when they have bounced out of the search results, doing a search for the domain on Google will usually show it.

Am I doing anything wrong with the design on this domain? OK I know about the brand name issue in the domain itself but thought it was worth building anyway.

Not 100% sure what you mean about the canonical issue, is this the site showing up for www and non www? Don't know why this would be a problem other than the fact that it creates a duplicate homepage and presumably google would index one of them and not the other?

Thanks for all your help everyone.

Mark

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Wesley Atkins

14 years ago

Mark,

Much better on this site. The only problem with this dropping out of the index is the amount of links you have pointing to the domain.

You have None.

Build a handful of links to the site and it will be back in again in no time.

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diglet

14 years ago

Wesley, thanks for your ideas on the lead generation front. I thought about doing something like this myself but didn't really know whether any agency would be interested in buying cv's.

I have many sites withing the jobs/careers industry and get around 150,000 unique visitors per month across them all.

The main reason why I wanted to know about why I have been deindexed is because I have just purchased a very premium jobs domain and I don't want to make the same mistake with such a pricey domain.

Do you have any suggestions for helping a website stick in google e.g. Yahoo directory submission etc...

Thanks again

Mark

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Wesley Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by diglet

Wesley, thanks for your ideas on the lead generation front. I thought about doing something like this myself but didn't really know whether any agency would be interested in buying cv's.

There's only way one to find out.

Originally Posted by diglet

I have many sites withing the jobs/careers industry and get around 150,000 unique visitors per month across them all.

Even more reason to test lead generation, they are good numbers. If 10% submitted a CV and you could sell them to multiple agencies!!

Originally Posted by diglet

The main reason why I wanted to know about why I have been deindexed is because I have just purchased a very premium jobs domain and I don't want to make the same mistake with such a pricey domain.

Do you have any suggestions for helping a website stick in google e.g. Yahoo directory submission etc...

Gaining trust with Google on a new domain is pretty important to make it stick in Google for the *long term*. I'm actually thinking about releasing a product on this topic.

...You need to build you most trusted links to the site early in its life. Avoid any mass backlinks, RSS submissions, spinning etc.. All those kinds of things.

Focus on high quality directories and obtaining 1 way, high quality backlinks. Couple this with good content and a less spammy adsense template and you will be just fine. Your pages will jump in and out of the index in the first couple weeks, but after adopting the above across the board you will be in a much better position.

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activetrader

14 years ago

Originally Posted by diglet

On 21st October 2 of them totally disappeared from Google's index. If I do a search such as site:mydomain.com it shows no results, also Google analytics is showing no traffic from Google since the 21st when these 2 sites were each getting around 1000 per day.

I wondered the same thing about Adwords impressions drop (I posted in another thread on here about that).

A little research into Matt Cutt's twitter updates (see his updates on Oct. 23) and voila - Google broke down; its team is working to fix the issue but apparently it has not been fixed.

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PaulWeller 14 years ago

Your website looks pretty decent. I was just wondering..when was the last time you uploaded content on it?

Secondly, Do you have some time to check the proximity of your keyword/s to your incoming links?
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Ping Liang

14 years ago

Last Saturday, silimar thing happened to two of my websites. The only difference is that they are still indexed in Google. I don't know what else I can do except for waiting. They have been performing good for over a year now. It really bothered me when I found what happened. Hopefully, they will come back to where they are in Google soon.

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erazer 14 years ago

Hi diglet,

On your site, the keyword/title "Full Time Jobs" is directly above the adsense block which I believe violates Google's terms of service by making it seem as if you are trying to mislead visitors to click on the ads. That's a big no-no. I would immediately add a couple of lines of text, if not a short paragraph, between the block and title, making absolutely sure that the words aren't suggestive either. Then I would resubmit those sites to Google with the explanation that you have corrected a possible violation of TOS and would like to have your sites reconsidered. This will reduce your CTR somewhat but at least you would have a site in the index and keep your Adsense account.

I would check for and correct this in ALL sites ASAP! Just my 2 cents.
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PaulSmith1

14 years ago

Yes, there is some SEO related problems thats why links were removed.

You can regain it by following white hat method, it may be that your site was found on link farm sites, bad neighborhood like these.

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socialbookmark

14 years ago

I think i know the answer. I myself have experienced such problem.
If your server downed for some hours its very possible that the problem of lossing traffic from Google be this. I myself have seen the same problem.
I hope it wasn't the problem of you because however we think its a problem which can be solved easily, its very difficult to solve this problem and maybe you don't see your website on the previous position of SERP even for some months.
If the problem related to the quality of backlinks, it was easy to solve it by making some quality backlinks but i don't know how to solve this problem. Even changing the hosting can not help you a lot.

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PaulSmith1

14 years ago

Yes, it happens some times, when Google thinks that you are using any black hat!

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diglet

14 years ago

Hi

I have been online for some time now and have quite an extensive knowledge of online marketing, here is what I believe on these two sites:

1) Both are different designs, 1 is (I think) quite nicely setout and has a number of new pages. It is a fairly new site so it could have bounced out of google as new sites do for a while. The other site is not as well designed but still isnt as bad as many online but has been established for quite some time.

2) With the problem being a google indexing problem and not an Adsense problem then I am somewhat puzzled. The content is good unique content written by myself, I don't adopt any black hat techniques or do anything on the linking front that would be frowned upon by Google. Top and bottom of it is, they are good decent clean sites that have done nothing wrong.

3) The hosting might have blipped off for a few minutes but my hosting package has very good uptime and unless the site is revisted a number of times and is not online I dont think Google would deindex for being offline for a few minutes (if it even happened at all). Just about all websites go offline at somepoint and if Google deindexed every time they found a site offline the internet would be a whole lot smaller.

As all the sites disappeared from Google on the same day (21st October), I think Google has had some kind of error and they have disappeared by accident.

There have been a lot of good suggestions and ideas on this thread but for every suggestion there is always something to conflict this. I have sites designed similar to the ones that have been deindexed that are still in Googles index and performing well. The link structure on all my sites is very similar in that I go through the same process to get back links. The hosting and registrars in many cases is also the same.

I am just very puzzled by the who thing.

Thanks for everyones input, any further ideas would be very useful to hear.

Mark