Drop in Google SERPs today

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Had a bunch of new sites drop today. Any ideas?
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Phillips
    That's google dance.. Don't worry your sites will be on stable rank within few days..
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  • Profile picture of the author bonusdays
    What you're seeing is normal for sites that aren't very old. You indicated they were a few weeks to a few months old so this is normal.

    You will see them quickly bottom out (they probably already have) and then they'll slowly start their mark back up.

    Assuming you continue to work on them (linking) they will come back albeit much slower than you'd like.
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  • Profile picture of the author DannyP_uk
    Fluctuating rankings is perfectly normal during any back link campaign, just keep building on what you have already done and they will bounce right back; sometimes within days but generally a week or 2.

    The only time you need worry is if your site disapears from the SERP's altogether.
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  • Profile picture of the author stnangel
    I dont know if it is the google dance... It happened to me aswell today for sites that were holding a stable position for months. I hope they do bounce back ...
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    80% of my sites increased a bucket load in the SERPs today.

    I think it's an update in the Google algorithms.

    But I was SMASHED in the SERPs like you guys were 4 months ago for these sites (dropped like 50 to 100 places for most of my sites), so I guess it's something you have to live with. Just keep building links, that's what I do and it comes back.
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    • Profile picture of the author stnangel
      Yah it sounds like it is an update in algorithms... but things should stabilize in a couple weeks... waiting around to see what happens is the part that sucks
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      80% of my sites increased a bucket load in the SERPs today.

      I think it's an update in the Google algorithms.

      But I was SMASHED in the SERPs like you guys were 4 months ago for these sites (dropped like 50 to 100 places for most of my sites), so I guess it's something you have to live with. Just keep building links, that's what I do and it comes back.
      I saw this too. From early glances I know at least the one site I was looking at increased on a few keywords we have been targeting for over a year. Will report back once I have more time to get through the majority of tracked keywords and webmaster tools search query reports (of course this isn't going to show me anything that recent though).
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    This happened to my site too.

    I was getting 800 visitors per day then Boom! completely vanished altogether!

    The site plus all 200 pages are still indexed just been sent to the back of the queue in the serps.

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author wickedsubmit
      Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

      This happened to my site too.

      I was getting 800 visitors per day then Boom! completely vanished altogether!

      The site plus all 200 pages are still indexed just been sent to the back of the queue in the serps.

      James
      ditto OP you need to build some quality link to get back your ranking
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  • Profile picture of the author Samson77
    Man i really hope that they are doing their update as we speak. I have been waiting for a good while. This could be a great thing, I would not panic

    I guess in the mean time we should not panic and just keep working on seo etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author shulink
    Don't panic, I used to have a very popular keyword on the first page for half year, and gone for like 3 months and eventually it came back. Just continue to create content and build backlinks, your ranking will come back. If your site is new, then it could be Google dancing.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeMbulu
    Originally Posted by chisdavis View Post

    I just wanted to see if I could get anyone else's opinion on what might of happened today to all of my sites. I have about 28 micro niche sites built using Wordpress and every one of them except one dropped at least a couple of places (some dropped 30, 40, and even 50 spots). These sites are hosted across 3 different hosting companies.

    What is strange is that this seemed to happen all at once, sometime this afternoon because they were fine this morning. I have read there was an issue with Google indexing Wordpress blogs, but I don't understand how this would hurt ranking.

    A little more background info: they are all micro niche sites in the sense that they target micro niches, but I have built many of them to have 10+ pages of original 400+ word content. They also range from a few weeks old to several months old and I have built links slowly, mostly using profiles and scrapebox. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Chris
    I believe your rankings will come back. The most important thing you can do is to continue to consistently get links. Also, if your link building is almost identical for a lot of your sites, that may also explain the pattern of rise and fall. Newer sites also tend to be more volatile, but as your site's age and backlinks get older, you will see more stability in you rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
    Your sites should come back in a few days, its quite normal for new sites to bounce around... The problem comes when your sites have not re-appeared after 2 weeks...

    If this happens, then you could have tripped a temporary filter in Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      No worries, Google has been having an issue of late and they have acknowledged it (Google this and you shall find it - no pun intended) - this may possibly be an effect of the event - or it may be a coincidental Google dance on so many sites all together (sounds weird though that all of your sites will be affected together).
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
    A TON of my micro niche domains dropped as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    Originally Posted by chisdavis View Post

    I just wanted to see if I could get anyone else's opinion on what might of happened today to all of my sites. I have about 28 micro niche sites built using Wordpress and every one of them except one dropped at least a couple of places (some dropped 30, 40, and even 50 spots). These sites are hosted across 3 different hosting companies.

    What is strange is that this seemed to happen all at once, sometime this afternoon because they were fine this morning. I have read there was an issue with Google indexing Wordpress blogs, but I don't understand how this would hurt ranking.

    A little more background info: they are all micro niche sites in the sense that they target micro niches, but I have built many of them to have 10+ pages of original 400+ word content. They also range from a few weeks old to several months old and I have built links slowly, mostly using profiles and scrapebox. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Chris
    I hate to rain on your parade and I do not believe any of the other posters who say you will come back and this is the google dance, an algorithm update etc etc. Its nonsense.

    You said that the sites were new (few weeks to a few months) ... well, Google tends to give an initial boost to all new sites when it initially finds them. They eventually settle down to their natural ranking. This is exactly what has happened to your sites. They now rank where they rank. If you want to rank higher you need to keep working on your SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author stnangel
    I agree and dont agree... my sites that got dropped are old, as in 1-3 years old... and some are new as in 3-8 months new... i really dont think anyone knows whats going on exactly, i dont think its a google dance.. ive seen it happen and it doesnt happen to a big chunk of sites, i dont think its a new site placement issue either, but i do think it has something to do with micro niche sites, and it has to do with TODAY specifically... everyone who has been affected has this in common and guess what.. it happened today, to all of us.
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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by stnangel View Post

      . it happened today, to all of us.
      Really? None of my sites are affected!
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    • Profile picture of the author pjman
      Same here. I started a thread in a different forum about this. At least a dozen people reported the same thing.

      MY main site is 11 years old with over 4million links and we are seeing the same thing. Rankings drops started Saturday morning all places are down 5-15 positions on their tradition SERP.

      They must be tinkering around. I just think it's a super big tinker. Hopefully tyhings will return soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author stnangel
    micro niche and do you own more than 20?
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  • Profile picture of the author IndigoJack
    Just confirming what has been said in that I wouldn't worry about it unless it lasts for weeks.

    Sites are being added to Google all the time, sites are having SEO activity applied to them, old sites get deleted, old sites get upgraded, Google plays around with its own system etc..... All of these things seperately and together can cause bizarre activity to occur.

    Plus I was on the Google message boards and there have been loads of queries about recent activity and non-showing of domains in maps and rankings so something is afoot and will all be alright in the end.....probably.
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  • Profile picture of the author stnangel
    Well thats great for you cbpayne, your one of the lucky ones, but its obvious that their are many of us going through it and today... I agree pjman, im hoping its some big tinker.
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  • Profile picture of the author hearme
    I have recently faced the same situation and its just a google dance alot of changes are happening.
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    hearme thanks for sharing your experience. That's the consensus.

    From what I have pieced together, this has been affecting niche sites since last Friday 10/23 and lasts from 2 to 7 days. It looks like they are checking the quality of lower ranked sites.

    On Devil's night (Halloween Eve) for me it hit us ironically.
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  • Profile picture of the author dhex
    About two months ago 20 of my micro niche sites got great ranking and their ranking stayed the same for one month and then few sites starts to slip away from first page and then from top 200. Today it got worse. I lost almost all of the rankings for those 20 sites. First I was hoping that the change is due to devaluation of some of the link types I used for the whole sites. Now I see that you guys are also facing the same situation. Lets hope that this algo change will not be permanent.
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    Now that I have had time analyze it. All of my rankings are exactly 5 spaces back for top words and 10 spaces back for secondary keywords. Very interesting???
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
    Everyone saying that the sites should come back and attributing this to Google dance really have no idea if that is the case. If it was a Google dance, why would it have effected all of his sites?

    Doesn't sound like that to me. Sounds like an algorithm change that affected most of your sites or a devaluation of your backlinks.

    Are all the backlinks to your portfolio of sites the same? For example, you said you use profiles. Do you have the same profiles supporting the majority of your sites? If so, it could very well be that your backlinks were devalued causing the drop.

    This should be taken more seriously than a google dance. Google dances do happen, but not across 28 sites all on the same day. I would learn more towards a devaluation of your backlinks. Especially if you have the same links supporting all of your sites.

    Diversify and build more and better links to your sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author erazer
      About half of my 30 sites have fallen one page or more today. These are micro niche sites with almost all the links coming from article directory submissions. Most of these sites are older than 6 months, some almost a year old. Adsense income slashed in half over yesterday. Out of the 4 sites at #1, two are still there, one fell to #5 and another to #15. Page one sites are on page two or three. Page two sites are on page 5 or 6! Hopefully this is a temporary glitch with google but I'm getting busy diversifying my backlinks and adding more content. I've seen the google dance before a few times and its always been one site or another, never a large bunch like this. Funny thing is I wasn't affected by the Mayday massacre and acutally prospered at the time, several sites moving up smartly. Oh, the ways of google.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

      Everyone saying that the sites should come back and attributing this to Google dance really have no idea if that is the case. If it was a Google dance, why would it have effected all of his sites?

      Doesn't sound like that to me. Sounds like an algorithm change that affected most of your sites or a devaluation of your backlinks.

      Are all the backlinks to your portfolio of sites the same? For example, you said you use profiles. Do you have the same profiles supporting the majority of your sites? If so, it could very well be that your backlinks were devalued causing the drop.

      This should be taken more seriously than a google dance. Google dances do happen, but not across 28 sites all on the same day. I would learn more towards a devaluation of your backlinks. Especially if you have the same links supporting all of your sites.

      Diversify and build more and better links to your sites.
      Got to agree; I think it's not a dance. What I'm seeing so far is no PR update, massive crunching and subsequent deindexation of millions of pages all across Google (pages they consider unimportant or duplicate), indexation problems the past week, and major drops for many sites (including manual reviews). All indicative of some major algo/policy change at Google, compared to 3 months ago.
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      • Profile picture of the author erazer
        Google (Matt Cutts) apparently agreed that there was an "issue" with indexing last week and that the "right people" were on it. Some people are speculating that a whole bunch of pages that did not get indexed on their cycles, got whipped out of the index altogether because google figured they didn't exist any more! This caused massive drops in the serps for thousands of sites. Apparently, many whose sites went down this past week report seeing competing sites of the same type/style but with fewer links and worse quality ranking in their place. This sucks big time.
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        • Profile picture of the author dhex
          This actually make sense. Can you give us the original source of this information?

          Originally Posted by erazer View Post

          Google (Matt Cutts) apparently agreed that there was an "issue" with indexing last week and that the "right people" were on it. Some people are speculating that a whole bunch of pages that did not get indexed on their cycles, got whipped out of the index altogether because google figured they didn't exist any more! This caused massive drops in the serps for thousands of sites. Apparently, many whose sites went down this past week report seeing competing sites of the same type/style but with fewer links and worse quality ranking in their place. This sucks big time.
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          • Profile picture of the author erazer
            Originally Posted by dhex View Post

            This actually make sense. Can you give us the original source of this information?
            Search webmasterworld for "Google SERP changes" thread then go to the last few pages.
            Also search for "ampheon google drops pages and positions"
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    • Profile picture of the author DrMeg
      Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

      Everyone saying that the sites should come back and attributing this to Google dance really have no idea if that is the case. If it was a Google dance, why would it have effected all of his sites?

      Doesn't sound like that to me. Sounds like an algorithm change that affected most of your sites or a devaluation of your backlinks.

      Are all the backlinks to your portfolio of sites the same? For example, you said you use profiles. Do you have the same profiles supporting the majority of your sites? If so, it could very well be that your backlinks were devalued causing the drop.

      This should be taken more seriously than a google dance. Google dances do happen, but not across 28 sites all on the same day. I would learn more towards a devaluation of your backlinks. Especially if you have the same links supporting all of your sites.

      Diversify and build more and better links to your sites.
      I agree with Jason, build more and more varied backlinks. Also, using this strategy will,

      1. Help you feel like you're doing something proactive about it
      2. Help your sites rank better, even if they do re-calibrate back up in the SERPs
      3. Help your sites rank better no matter the cause.

      In other words, follow Jason's advice and regardless of the cause your micro niche sites will be the better for it.

      As to why it happened? I like what Jim Rohn says "...I don't know! It's a mystery! I can't figure it out so why waste time trying" (or something along those lines) and then he says to move on to taking action about what we can control.
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  • Profile picture of the author truewarrior
    I saw income drop yesterday but figured it was the weekend, then I checked today, low earnings again, so i checked SERPS and a lot of my micro sites are gone...
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    Don't stress, keep building links!

    That's what I did last time when this happened and I lost nearly 50% of my earnings.

    Keep getting links to your site.

    I'm pretty sure it's not a Google dance. The dance doesn't affect everyone in this way on the same day.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Just checked my Google Anaylitics and I've had a massive drop in the serps for my other sites.

    Really hope this is temporary because this is gonna have a serious affect on my income.

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author Evita
    Massive drop here as well. Gone from page 1 and 2 to page 44 and lower... These are sites several years old.

    Evita
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  • Profile picture of the author Dele
    I do not think Google is a big fan of micro sites and could well be applying the hammer against them. Just my thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Clarke
    Don't worry, a new site indexed by Google against the same keywords often appears at the top initially, but you will quickly regain position as they drop off over the next few days.

    I can only assume the google indexing process takes a few days to run to establish where it wants to rank a page.

    Peter

    Originally Posted by chisdavis View Post

    I just wanted to see if I could get anyone else's opinion on what might of happened today to all of my sites. I have about 28 micro niche sites built using Wordpress and every one of them except one dropped at least a couple of places (some dropped 30, 40, and even 50 spots). These sites are hosted across 3 different hosting companies.

    What is strange is that this seemed to happen all at once, sometime this afternoon because they were fine this morning. I have read there was an issue with Google indexing Wordpress blogs, but I don't understand how this would hurt ranking.

    A little more background info: they are all micro niche sites in the sense that they target micro niches, but I have built many of them to have 10+ pages of original 400+ word content. They also range from a few weeks old to several months old and I have built links slowly, mostly using profiles and scrapebox. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    I saw an otherwise unexplainable drop in some micro niche sites.

    Something is definitely going on, I think Google has done an algorithm update or is testing things.
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    I've seen some of the same thing with a few sites that are 1-3 years old. Perhaps 25% of my sites. Others in the same age range are unaffected.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    guys chill out and read the posts!

    Several people in this thread, and a ton of people around the net including Matt Cutts, have said that Google has had some indexing and ranking issues. They are working on a fix.
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    • Profile picture of the author pjman
      jazbo your take on it is probably the most complete explanation. It makes the most sense. If the algorithm was changed won't I expect all of my result to fluctuate at least a bit (1-2 places)?

      That didn't happen for me, some of my major words dropped 5 to 15 places. But many (50%) of my normal rankings stood still.

      Since my top ranked words had a bigger presence they were crawled and indexed more often. So if an indexing issue arises, it would hit those pages first right. The page that tanked are crawled everyday 1-2 days. The pages that stood still are indexed once every 10 days.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Is Google Broken? Sites Big & Small Seeing Indexing Problems

        Just to be clear, the issues from this thread, which I have reviewed in detail, are not due to changes in our policies or changes in our algorithms; they is due to a technical issue on our side that will be visibly resolved as soon as possible (it may take up to a few days to be visible for all sites though). You do not need to change anything on your side
        HOWEVER

        in an update

        If you are still seeing issues with indexing of new content, it's likely to be a different problem & I would recommend posting in our help forum with all the details.
        So if your results haven't picked up it may very well not be related to the indexing problem Time will tell
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        • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
          I put this reply in another post so I'll spin it here too...

          It does appear as if there have been some recent changes in the ranking algorithms. It seems like there's been another boost given to big shopping aggregator sites (like my faves, bizrate, thefind and nextag), some article directory and related sites (eHow, About, HubPages, etc) and corporate brand name authority domains along with stronger geo targeting of search results.

          Here are some of my observations...

          First, it could be that they are attempting to counter criticism that they're giving exact match domains too power. Their answer is to give additional strength to sites that have strong authority not only for big search terms but for many long tails as well. As always though, getting good authority links can really help your site. Also, having more content that targets long tails will give you more traffic than having just a few pages.

          Speaking of authority sites, this may just be the terms I'm looking for, but I'm not seeing eBay pages in as many searches now. eBay is certainly an authority site and frequently appeared in product searches in the page 1 results. Are they and Google having a disagreement again, perhaps political in nature because of the California governor's race? It seems petty but Google has become highly politicized toward one party these days.

          Lastly, geo location seems to have become a larger factor in results. I'm not sure about the exact impact of this but it seems to be having some effect on a number of shopping niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author bungerik
    I hope you will back on your best position next day..
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  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    The answer?

    Micro niche sites don't last.

    Well most don't.

    A micro niche could be considered "skin care" or you could take it and target just rosacea. Going deeper is when you run into problems because the site isn't quality enough to compete with the other sites which didn't go so deep and have a pretty big "skin care" site that also has a rosacea section.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellymandingo
    There is no issue John Mu has already reported a problem with Google indexing and should be resolved as we speak the full thread below, dont panic your site will come back, Saying that mine dropped from 5-30 places on the 1st October and have not recovered just yet

    Google appears to have stopped indexing blogspot.com new post as of 20 Oct - Webmaster Central Help
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  • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
    I noticed something going on with Halloween niche sites and made this post and was pretty much ignored. Basically all the mini niche sites were replaced with vendor sites.

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  • Profile picture of the author truewarrior
    If exact match domains are no longer play its importance in helping us get ranked, how do we survive in the new world? All I know is how to make money off of micro sites with exact match kw...quite sad actually, I was ready to quit my job to go full time, but now this is a major setback. Should we shift our focus on creating bigger authority sites? Any ideas?
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    Yes, authority is the way to go. The problem is that they take for ever to build and your putting all your eggs in one basket that way until you can build two or three. I knew the domain name thing was on the way out, scammers have been abusing that way too much.
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  • Profile picture of the author webspider20
    Don't worry about that, just keep doing what you have been doing. sites that aren't aged will move around quite a bit until they find their spot on the search engine.
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  • Profile picture of the author truewarrior
    Webspider I really don't think that is the case....

    My site has been ranked for a full year and now most of them went POOF in 2 days
    Others are experiencing the same thing. It's time to adapt...
    Exact match kw days of easy ranking is gone.
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  • Profile picture of the author truewarrior
    Are there any resources that someone can recommend me to build authority-like sites...need some foundation on how to property build my sites...u can pm your affiliate link...thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      Originally Posted by truewarrior View Post

      Are there any resources that someone can recommend me to build authority-like sites...need some foundation on how to property build my sites...u can pm your affiliate link...thanks
      I don't know of any "resources" that would help, unless they are of a technical nature. Ah, people simply throw the word "authority" around so easily these days....

      I guess a genuine authority site would be a site where you have established yourself as an authority in the eyes of real people.

      For an average home based Joe, it's often building a site based on something that you are genuinely knowledgeable and interested in.

      Do you have any?

      It is hard to fool people, especially experts in a niche who arrive at your site, and can quickly figure you out, so when you establish yourself as an authority, it really means you have established yourself as the real deal in that niche.

      That's not possible for everyone, but that is why credibility and trust seem to have become increasingly rare (and therefore more valuable) these days.

      I'm very sure Google will place more and more importance on trust rank and credibility in the coming future...because that is just mirroring how we humans think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nigel Howell
    About half of mine that have had major drops include non-exact keyword domain so not just an exact domain issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author dhex
    But on the contrary...there are some people who have seen major boost in ranking of their network of sites. There is one guy here on this thread. I also witnessed this kind of SERP shift back in August when 20 of my sites moved up over night. But it didn't last long. In one month they started to slip away one by one and yesterday they all went away. It may be true that Google is finally changing the game on EMDs but I dont think its over yet. But its a smart move to start building authority sites with a number of keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    SMH.

    A lot of misinformation in this thread. Micro Niche Sites are far from dead if done right.
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  • Profile picture of the author truewarrior
    Al Mukmin,

    So your micro niche sites weren't affected with what's currently going on? If that is the case what did you do "right"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nigel Howell
    I had some that weren't affected although the majority were. I have no idea what the difference. Similar markets, site size the same etc but affected differently... That is what I can't work out. Some 20 page of original content also saw massive drops.
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  • Profile picture of the author truewarrior
    For the people that have dropped in ranking from SERPS, were you using Wordpress? Just curious...because I was using wordpress. Trying to see what common factor there could be.
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    • Profile picture of the author dhex
      Originally Posted by truewarrior View Post

      For the people that have dropped in ranking from SERPS, were you using Wordpress? Just curious...because I was using wordpress. Trying to see what common factor there could be.
      90% of my sites are plain php (you can call them static). I used php to include file and stuff.

      But I don't think the signal for this change came from on-page stuff. It has something to do with domain age and backlink portfolio (that's what I see at least in my case)
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    No. My site is straight HTML and Css Static.
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    Not sure the back link and age thing is true.

    My site is 11 years old with over 2 million backlinks, it was hit hard on October 30.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nigel Howell
      Originally Posted by pjman View Post

      Not sure the back link and age thing is true.

      My site is 11 years old with over 2 million backlinks, it was hit hard on October 30.
      Interesting, so doesn't appear to be an age issue or lack of backlinks. Do you mind telling us how large large the site is and how often it is updated?
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      • Profile picture of the author pjman
        We have 7000 pages of content a forum with another 5000 pages.

        We add 2 new pages a week. Then spurts of a few hundred pages quarterly.

        Funny thing is 2 months ago we redid the entire site template to reduce the bloated code. No content changed, just added new pages. Reduce the file size by 60%.
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  • Profile picture of the author truewarrior
    For those that dropped in serps what did u use for backlinking? UAW?
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  • Profile picture of the author Roberto L
    I also found the same problem today! We are all poor man, lol...

    I did not built links for about 4 days as I went out for travelling, and some of my paid links were expired one month ago, and I found the google analystic updating cycle is about 1.2 month, so the total links amount drops, and some keyword drops too, so I guess that's the reason. Do you guys think so?
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  • Profile picture of the author dhex
    Here is another useful post on SEOBook.com. Great discussion too.

    Google Guidelines for Link Building & SEO | SEO Book.com

    Hope this help.
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  • Profile picture of the author biggame5
    Google is just being Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author andymayhem
    Hi

    Thought I would share some of my thoughts on this. We manage over 300 websites and most haven't seen any movement, only a few from a clients network of 70 sites. Some have moved up, some stayed the same and some moved from page 1 to page 40, they are all built using php and their design is similar with different keyworded content.

    People are saying this is the end of the microsite / keyworded site, but if it was wouldn't all 70 sites been penalized? They are basically all the same. And if Googles aim is to remove spam or bad content for their users why is this site - IVA Squirrel: Wha is an IVA - ranking for this VERY highly competitive keyword IVA - Google - You will see most sites have over 100k links and PR5-6, why would Googles algo change promote a site like that when there are a lot of sites offering great content.

    It really doesn't make much sense.

    This blog post is interesting which documents whats been happening in the Google Forum - Google Stops Indexing Sites, Rumors of Algorithm Change October 2010 | Tj's Daily® - But it seems to relate more towards indexing, but if there are indexing issues this could randomly effect sites and as we all have a lot of micro sites we notices this, if just 10% of sites are effected we could all have 10-40 sites which are effected each.

    Could it be links? Not in my opinion, we use the same links on all sites and only a few lost their rankings, if this was a big demote of a certain linking strategy we would be bleeding to death right now.

    To deal with this we are waiting it out to see what happens and see if any patterns emerge. If established sites rank better for long tail then perhaps article marketing will be a more effective affiliate technique or web 2.0 properties.
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  • Profile picture of the author tcindia123
    you r face google dance dont worry jus keep on making quality back links
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    • Profile picture of the author andymayhem
      Originally Posted by tcindia123 View Post

      you r face google dance dont worry jus keep on making quality back links
      Google Dance refers to the old days when they would only update their SERPs every month. This stopped as there are minor updates throughout the day. What Happened To The Monthly Google Dance?

      We aren't naive SEO clients here, we all know what we are doing and cannot be fobbed off with a Google Dance / Sandbox excuse.
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      • Profile picture of the author bonkgo
        The same thing happened to me. I am pretty sure it was a change in the algorithm where exact name domains do not carry as much weight as they used to. I think as long as you continue with content and back links you should be fine. Results may take longer and you may need to put in a little more work in your niche sites but at least it still works.
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        • Profile picture of the author andymayhem
          Originally Posted by bonkgo View Post

          The same thing happened to me. I am pretty sure it was a change in the algorithm where exact name domains do not carry as much weight as they used to. I think as long as you continue with content and back links you should be fine. Results may take longer and you may need to put in a little more work in your niche sites but at least it still works.
          This could by but why are only some sites effected, surely an algo change would effect every site?
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          • Profile picture of the author Nigel Howell
            Originally Posted by andymayhem View Post

            This could by but why are only some sites effected, surely an algo change would effect every site?
            Agreed Andy. Maybe that exact is part of the algo change but it doesn't explain the full picture. I have many non exact domains which have been affected too.
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  • Profile picture of the author erazer
    Pretty sure it is not an algo change. The only thing that makes sense is that Google's indexing machine broke and they're trying to fix it. I had 4 #1 sites and two are still there with one down to #2. These get indexed pretty much daily. The ones that got slammed are indexed less often and I'm reasonably sure that was the problem. I'm also not very confident that they will come back as soon as they are indexed again because it seems some significant ranking damage may have been done after the first miss. Makes me mad because a few more were making steady progress to #1.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    I also believe that it's not an algo change.

    1) I have sites that are still ranking #1 without keywords in my domain names
    2) I have sites that are still ranking in top 10 with keywords in my domain names
    3) I have new sites not affected by the 'change'
    4) I have old sites not affected by the 'change'

    However:
    1) I have sites that dropped from first page when I did no SEO at all
    2) I have sites that dropped from first page when they are fully optimized
    3) I have sites that dropped from first page when I have backlinks nicely distributed to them

    To me, it's too random to discover any pattern. So, I don't think it's algo change.
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  • Profile picture of the author CatalinIcs
    The problem is this.

    The Alexa Blog: Has traffic to your site dropped? You're not alone.

    Big sites are also affected by this problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by CatalinIcs View Post

      The problem is this.

      The Alexa Blog: Has traffic to your site dropped? You're not alone.

      Big sites are also affected by this problem.
      The problem with that is ...

      How can every site loose traffic? The traffic has not disappeared ... it must be going to other sites.

      How can every site drop in the SERPs? .... for every site that drops, one goes up.
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      • Profile picture of the author pjman
        Now that you mention the indexing. I did notice that BING had 25% more of pages indexed than Google all of sudden too. So there might be some truth to the indexing. Google also did mention the indexing problem.

        If it were a major algorithm shift wouldn't they have announced it? Just like MayDay. They made the change on Friday the announcement of MAyDay was made on the following Monday. If there was an algorithm change it was made either October 21 or 29th. There has been no announcement, so it just might be indexing.
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      • Profile picture of the author CatalinIcs
        Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

        The problem with that is ...

        How can every site loose traffic? The traffic has not disappeared ... it must be going to other sites.

        How can every site drop in the SERPs? .... for every site that drops, one goes up.
        Yes. Of course. If you look at the graphics from Alexa article, these are important changes. An important site is down and another important site is boosted in the same time.

        This seems to affect just some sites, with some internal / external SEO characteristics. John Mu from Google said it's a MayDay change, but the effect appears just now for some sites. What is going on ?? :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author ninal
    One my sites just lost all rankings for ALL its keywords. All the pages for this site are now ranking in the 300+ zone, some are not even ranking at all. I certainly hope this is temporary.
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  • Profile picture of the author justtony
    Sounds like a lot of adjustment from google. But they did not make it official though. That's really bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    They usually only make announcements when they have thoroughly tested something and are convinced it works. So I'm guessing they concur with us. That it's still broke.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Wouldn't come as a surprise if Google stars to penalise certain blogs as not serving their keyword, some would say about time
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  • Profile picture of the author erazer
    I wouldn't be surprised if the sun came up in the East. But Google's indexing is broken and they are not going to admit it.
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    • Profile picture of the author pjman
      The funny thing is that I posted my problem on G WM Forum and they told me my site was indexed just fine. They told me it must be must be some links that might not be indexed yet. I don't know how that is true. I have over a million back links.
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      • Profile picture of the author erazer
        It's quite obvious that there was a problem of some kind. A couple of my sites are showing signs of coming back (#1 site went to #45 and is now at #5 etc) and it is quite possible that lost links and pages will show up slowly. They may use old data to recreate the serps as they were before they went down but nobody knows. I just don't expect them to be up front and admit that something broke if that was the case.
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  • Profile picture of the author divx22
    Like many members here said this is normal and all your pages should be inexed again soon. Happens to me often.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nigel Howell
      It has been a week now since many of us on this thread lost massive rankings on a number of our websites at the same time.

      It looks like Erazer has seen some improvement which is promising. Has anyone else who was affected seen any improvement (or in fact a worse ranking!)? I have yet to see any improvement yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author pjman
          My rankings are still in the toilet. Almost no improvement what so ever.

          OP, I'm curious... When did you start to see your rankings improve back to normal and when did the glitch hit you?
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    Mine were all hit morning on 10/30, so I hope there is a pattern here and they come tomorrow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Evita
    My sites were hit on 10/28 as well. Interestingly, some of the sites had the index page still ranking but internal pages went to page 40 and beyond. Then a few days later on some of the sites, the index page joined the internal pages. Then other sites have improved some in rankings... And some have not been hit at all...

    ECPM is down as well. By about 45%. Now, I haven't done enough checking to see if the loss of the sites who went Bye-Bye also brought down the ECPM.

    At the moment I'm not going to fret too much over this. Until I know what I can do to remedy the situation I'll just continue what I was doing.

    Sure is a good lesson though.... Gotta Diversify!!

    Evita
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruha
    DAmn all my adsense sites took a big hit in rankings. Sites that I was making good money on 7 days ago are at zero now.

    I guess just keep building links and see what happens in a few days huh.
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  • Profile picture of the author COBSolutions
    Sprinkling around a few high authority backlinks to those sites should give some push that it badly needs
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    • Profile picture of the author freddo
      If I can chime in with a "me too"... have been patiently waiting for my sites to crawl back up since this big drop but so far no luck. One of my sites was #2 on Google for a certain keyword and now is on the 3rd page.
      The funny thing is, the #1 site before the hit is still at #1.

      Sigh. I'll just keep at it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nigel Howell
    Yesterday no movement for mine but... This morning one is back in it's original position and a few others are slowly moving up the SERPS. Don't give up hope pjman, I m strarting to feel more confident about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    I've noticed one or two gradually moving up again

    Although there still pages behind where they were before

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    Check my post from yesterday... #100. I said I hope my rankings came back today (8-days exactly of no traffic) like two other people said. Would you guess it! My traffic is back slightly better than ever.

    Nigel, thanks for the vote of confidence... It's working. I think it's an 8-10 day indexing issue, not an algorithm shift. Not indexing our sites, but our links.
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  • Profile picture of the author justtony
    Lost all rankings for my sites. This week there's some positive movement. But, not yet return to page 1. Hopefully it recovers.
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    • Profile picture of the author CantonaX
      Google dance
      Don't worry
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    What I went through over the 8 days, where my rankings bombed was not a dance. It was more like a mosh pit! lost 75% of traffic for 8 days and then right back to where I was.
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    • Profile picture of the author _sleeper_
      I had about 30 of 36 niche sites drop on 10/28 as well. Oddly enough 4 or 5 stayed right where they were in the top 10. Now a few have limped back to the top 10, but none have come back as high as before.

      Many of them now have the main page not ranked at all, while a sub page is 150+. None of those have come back to rank the main page, hopefully they will come back soon.

      A few of them have dropped out completely, and no sign of returning yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author claritytech123
    This could be due to google dance or change in algorithm.
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  • Profile picture of the author valiantbearded
    Fluctuation is quite normal classification in the links back to the campaign, just keep building on what you did and go up again, sometimes within days, but usually a week or two.
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  • Profile picture of the author gocondo
    I dropped today from the 2nd place to the 412th place. No idea what to do. I can confirm that this is a new website from 3 months ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Several of the members of my site have also asked me about their adsense/cookie cutter sites disappearing or taking a google hit. There were rumours that googles update would target spam sites and it looks like it worked.

    The message seems to be you have to do a bit more to convince google its worth other people seeing now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Carolyn L.
      Definitely a roller coaster ride at times. One way to avoid this is to try to get on the first page with multiple listings. Then if your actual website page drops out of sight you may still have another listing that can drive traffic to your site, indirectly.

      For example, if you write a quality article for Ezine articles, use your targeted keyword at the beginning of the title as well as in your first paragraph. Chances are good for this article to remain on the first page if it contains relevant information and especially if you build a few lnks to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
    Almost 3 weeks later, some of my sites are starting to return to their original rankings. I'm not sure if this is because of my freaking out and aggressive backlinking or not...... but they're back! For now...
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  • Profile picture of the author justtony
    Good to hear that Pack12. My website still not recovered, however is moving up gradually. Didn't do much backlinking though.
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  • Profile picture of the author victoriakeenato
    Fluctuating courses are quite normal during a campaign ties in back, just keep building on what youve done, and they bounce right back, sometimes within days, but generally a week or 2
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