Why Did My Site Drop So Far in Google?

by kazlas
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Guess what? My site was 3rd for a keyword. NOW AFTER ONE NIGHT IT IS PAGE 5 44TH POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!??!?
#fking #kidding
  • Profile picture of the author yanivkalfa
    What have you done Exactly ?

    have you added some weird links ? changed host? was the site up the whole time ?
    Did stop building links at ones after reaching this point ?

    you need to give more details mate.
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    • Profile picture of the author kazlas
      Ok, I've added H1, H2, H3 tags with my keyword. Then' I've added outbound link to an authority site wikipedia on the given subject, then, I've bolded/underlined/italied (if its a word) my keyword in all of my posts. (all done yesterday) How this could have happened?...

      And my site is about ~4 months of age right now

      Oh, and by the way, the other result that appears is not my root domain (which used to be) but its post on my blog. Could google have taken out my main domain result for a while and then hopefully put it back?
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      • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
        Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

        And my site is about ~4 months of age right now
        There you go.

        It's quite normal for a new site to bounce back and forth.

        Just keep doing what the internet wants: new content + new links.
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        • Profile picture of the author kazlas
          Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

          Lol. That's just cruel, yes, truth hurts sometimes BTW, what's with the skull ?? Sweet.

          Now.. back to OP... can you give us the site URL and keyword phrase you were referring to?

          If not, we may as well blow smoke up our a.....

          Paul Barrs
          Ok, my site is learn-to-tattoo.co.cc (I assume you can guess the phrase)

          Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

          There you go.

          It's quite normal for a new site to bounce back and forth.

          Just keep doing what the internet wants: new content + new links.
          Thanks! I'll try that!
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  • Profile picture of the author ambalaldarji
    Nowadays it is also happening with my site. May be some Google dancing reason but it is OK just try to put your maximum effort on your site and check keyword position after some time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    One simple question:

    How old is this site?
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

    Guess what? My site was 3rd for a keyword. NOW AFTER ONE NIGHT IT IS PAGE 5 44TH POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!??!?
    Because your site, your competition, and the internet, do not exist in a vacuum.

    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author kazlas
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      Because your site, your competition, and the internet, do not exist in a vacuum.

      Paul
      Please, could you next time post something valuable instead phylosophy s***, ok?
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      • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
        Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

        Please, could you next time post something valuable instead phylosophy s***, ok?
        Paul is right.

        A bit odd for sure, but a right statement.

        The web environment is always changing: rankings, competition, etc etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author kazlas
          Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

          Paul is right.

          A bit odd for sure, but a right statement.

          The web environment is always changing: rankings, competition, etc etc.
          Well I guess, but I was steadily climbing my rankings from page 8th to 3rd position in page one, and now this happens... So what should think?.....
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    • Profile picture of the author AFI
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      Because your site, your competition, and the internet, do not exist in a vacuum.

      Paul
      This is your favorite saying huh?
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      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      Because your site, your competition, and the internet, do not exist in a vacuum.

      Paul
      While this may be a fact and not theory - it is also a fact that the Earth is round. However this info does not help Kazlas with his problem.

      Kazlas, I have around 25 sites and the only one that "sticks" when a site page gets to page 1 of its keyword is a site that is 3 years old. The newer the sites, the more they "bounce." One of my larger sites is on page 1 for its keyword out of 86 million (according to Google). But that is only today. It is only about 2 1/2 months old and I would not be surprised to see it on page 4 tomorrow. In fact, there were a few hours yesterday where it was non-existent on the first 7 pages (I quit looking after that). The funny thing is, it always seems to "drop out" shortly after I add a few high-quality backlinks... and then it comes back.

      Not sure what any of this means except to follow the general response of the answers here - keep building backlinks. Check your competition's backlinks and attempt to do the same.

      IMO, if you made it to page 1, then you can achieve it again. Personally, I'm going to take Wesley's advice and get Bruce Clays book!

      Good luck,
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by Look4VGames View Post

        Ive seen paul post this quote word for word 3 times, 1 time on one of my threads. its getting kind of old. If it makes you feel better the same thing just happened to my website.
        Because it fits and people keep asking the same thing over and over.
        Actually, I can't take credit for the line. Someone else did a whole
        thread on YOUR SITE IS NOT IN A VACUUM.

        I'm too lazy to look it up, but it should be required reading.

        Now it helps his problem because it focuses on the fact that there
        are no guarantees with google no matter what people think.
        You go up, you go down, if you have little or no authority.
        It's natural.

        "I did this, so google must....." That's actually the oldest line here.

        Google is a dynamic search engine. There are a whole host of reasons for
        going up and down. Google likes fresh content (sometimes) the way bakeries
        like fresh bread. But day old bread is another story. Stale bread is tossed out.

        This thread 50+ posts? Who knew!

        Now my favorite line is actually:

        Keep doing good things, constantly, and you have a chance at good things
        happening to you!

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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Ignite
    I would revert to what you had before and see what happens next time google bot updates the page.
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    • Profile picture of the author kazlas
      So I guess this wait and see right? Well, this happened just today, I guess it needs more time...
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    • Profile picture of the author yanivkalfa
      Originally Posted by Marketing Ignite View Post

      I would revert to what you had before and see what happens next time google bot updates the page.
      No. that might be even worse. just continue as you are doing. you domain is 4 months old thats a baby in SEO terms and these jumps are normal.
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  • Profile picture of the author kimberly Aita
    I had around 30 sites that I know of just completely disappear overnight from pages 1 and 2. I don't really know why either except they are amazon product sites and I was doing a lot of work on one or two in particular so I am thinking google noticed and since all of my sites are hosted with the same provider they just "sandboxed" all of them.

    I am in the process of reading a guide by Wesley Atkins that I plan on implementing a lot of the strategies he gives in his report.

    I agree that you should probably just keep building "quality links" along with original content and your site should start to rise up again. I know mine are already moving back up but way to slow for my wants, still not much I can do except to follow this advice.

    Good luck and stay positive no matter what,
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    • Profile picture of the author kazlas
      Originally Posted by kimberly Aita View Post

      I had around 30 sites that I know of just completely disappear overnight from pages 1 and 2. I don't really know why either except they are amazon product sites and I was doing a lot of work on one or two in particular so I am thinking google noticed and since all of my sites are hosted with the same provider they just "sandboxed" all of them.

      I am in the process of reading a guide by Wesley Atkins that I plan on implementing a lot of the strategies he gives in his report.

      I agree that you should probably just keep building "quality links" along with original content and your site should start to rise up again. I know mine are already moving back up but way to slow for my wants, still not much I can do except to follow this advice.

      Good luck and stay positive no matter what,
      Kim
      And your sites never appeared again?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        could you next time post something valuable instead phylosophy s***, ok?
        The answer you are cursing about is the answer that makes sense.

        You are NOT in a vacuum - the fact that you've done "all the things" to push your 4 month old site doesn't mean it will rapidly jump ahead of all the other sites who are doing the same things. Not every site about tattoos will be on google's first page. Google shows 13 million results for that keyword phrase.

        A check of sites on the first page of your keyword search

        how to tattoo
        displays sites with domains registered in 1997, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2009 .

        You have competition.Your site is indexed but if you were seeing it on the first page, chances are you were looking at personalized search where google showed you what it thought you wanted to see.

        Because your site, your competition, and the internet, do not exist in a vacuum.
        The statement above isn't theory - it's logic.

        kay
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  • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
    Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

    Guess what? My site was 3rd for a keyword. NOW AFTER ONE NIGHT IT IS PAGE 5 44TH POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!??!?
    Sorry to hear that...

    From my quick observations of your site, here is what I see as causing an issue..

    1. Duplicate Content - Wordpress Tag pages can cause duplicate content across your own site.. Now, duplicate content across the internet happens and is not a problem in itself..

    However, when it appears on your own site, it can become an problem.

    Example:

    This page: Rated | Learn to tattoo

    ...is an exact replica in terms of content as this page:

    7 Kinds of Top Rated Tribal Tattoos | Learn to tattoo

    ..The only defining factor is the Title, which is not enough..

    ..Search in Google for Wordpress duplicate content and you'll find a lot of helpful sites addressing this issue.


    2. Link diversity - When I look at your backlinks.. All I see are forum profile links and social bookmarking links.. This is not diverse for a site that is 4 months old..


    3. Affiliate Links - The affiliate links on your site are passing through a /go/ folder and this is great... But Google does not want to index them..

    Add an exclusion in your robots.txt file to exclude this folder, like this;

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /go/


    These are my quick 5 minute observations on what I would change..

    There are no guarantees when you will come back as if you have tripped a filter it could take anywhere between one and several weeks to come back..

    Clean up these issues though and you'll be stand a much better chance of it coming back sooner rather than later..
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      Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins View Post

      1. Duplicate Content - Wordpress Tag pages can cause duplicate content across your own site.. Now, duplicate content across the internet happens and is not a problem in itself..
      how did you check this exactly? do you mind sharing?
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      • Profile picture of the author JenniferLing
        My site ranks two keywords on page 1 for about two months. Starting from yesterday, it suddenly drops out of the Google rank. I used Market Samurai to follow the rank. It was on page 1 before yesterday, now it says it is indexed but no rank. Why?

        My about page has error, I fix that. I use my sites original article to rewrite and then submit to article directory. The rewrite is about 30%. I just search some sentences, quite a few article directories come up. I think my site's content is the original, it will be okay to rewrite my site's content and submit to article directory. Is this okay or not?

        Any feedback is really appreciated.
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        • Profile picture of the author JenniferLing
          Forgot to mention:

          Some of my pages were ranked in the hundreds, low rank but they were still "ranked". The better ranked page 1 keywords were completely dropped out ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
    Ok another observation..

    When I search for this string of text that appears on your homepage and an internal page on your site:

    "As long as human kind can remember, tattoos were really popular. Therefore, it may be challenging"

    ...there are over 72 results in Google..

    It looks like you are using content from article directories.

    Using solely duplicate content on a new site can sometimes trip a filter and is one of the points I disuss in my latest WSO on the Google Sandbox..

    PM me by the way and I will send you a complimentary copy..

    Using syndicated articles on your site is fine, as long as it does not make up the majority of the content you have on your site...

    ...and on a new site that needs to establish TrustRank and authority in Google, this is not the way to go.

    Your not offering anything of significant value on your site, the articles already exist online!

    So why would Google rank your content above them...
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    • Profile picture of the author kazlas
      Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins View Post

      Ok another observation..

      When I search for this string of text that appears on your homepage and an internal page on your site:

      "As long as human kind can remember, tattoos were really popular. Therefore, it may be challenging"

      ...there are over 72 results in Google..

      It looks like you are using content from article directories.

      Using solely duplicate content on a new site will trip a filter and is one of the points I disuss in my latest WSO on the Google Sandbox..

      PM me by the way and I will send you a complimentary copy..

      Using syndicated articles on your site is fine, as long as it does not make up the majority of the content you have on your site...

      ...and on a new site that needs to establish TrustRank and authority in Google, this is not the way to go.

      Your not offering anything of significant value on your site, the articles already exist online!

      So why would Google rank your content above them...
      Thanks, I've had a great help from you and will apply it right away.

      Now, I did not add that article "as long as human kind can remember..." to be a really good content, I just put it in so google would see my site updated, which I thought will increase my rankings (it used to be sniper site with 3 posts) and the spun article has every sentence spun once. Second, I've got a lot more (about ~160) profile backlinks of minimum 4 PR to be indexed, and I'm using backlink energizer for that.

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      The answer you are cursing about is the answer that makes sense.

      You are NOT in a vacuum - the fact that you've done "all the things" to push your 4 month old site doesn't mean it will rapidly jump ahead of all the other sites who are doing the same things. Not every site about tattoos will be on google's first page. Google shows 13 million results for that keyword phrase.

      A check of sites on the first page of your keyword search



      displays sites with domains registered in 1997, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2009 .

      You have competition.Your site is indexed but if you were seeing it on the first page, chances are you were looking at personalized search where google showed you what it thought you wanted to see.



      The statement above isn't theory - it's logic.

      kay
      My keyword is not how to tattoo but learn to tattoo, and I didn't see personalized results because I've used Free Ranking Checker | Search Engine Ranking Tool and it showed 3rd place for my keyword, my google search showed same as well and I've been starting to get some little chunks of traffic since I've became 3rd on that keyword (about 8-9 a day).

      Oh, and by the way, I've noticed that the result in 54 page IS NOT my root domain, and I'm still ranking first (on my google search) for "learn to tattoo" in quotes. Is this positive? Or in quotes result will be taken down soon as well?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Sorry - my typo in the post.

        The phrase I checked was

        learn to tattoo

        but I posted it wrong.

        I wasn't putting you down - just saying you are competing with sites that have years of age on them so it will take quite a bit to move near the top and it will take time.

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        • Profile picture of the author kazlas
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Sorry - my typo in the post.

          The phrase I checked was

          learn to tattoo

          but I posted it wrong.

          I wasn't putting you down - just saying you are competing with sites that have years of age on them so it will take quite a bit to move near the top and it will take time.

          kay
          But I was there... Yesterday... 3rd... And ~160 high quality profile backlinks yet need to get indexed...
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          • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
            Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

            But I was there... Yesterday... 3rd... And ~160 high quality profile backlinks yet need to get indexed...
            Sorry to break this too you, but profile links are not high quality..

            The PR of the domains may be PR4 but that is not relevant when your link is on an internal page..
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            • Profile picture of the author kazlas
              Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins View Post

              Sorry to break this too you, but profile links are not high quality..

              The PR of the domains may be PR4 but that is not relevant when your link is on an internal page..
              Well, according to Angela and Paul they are high quality, according to you they aren't. I really can't say who is telling the truth because I'm not yet much of an expert at SEO.
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              • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
                Don't get me wrong, profile backlinks have their place.. But after 10 years of doing SEO, I can tell you ...they are far from high quality.

                Get yourself a book on SEO. I recommend Search Engine Optimization an Hour A Day or SEO for Dummies is good too as its written by Bruce Clay - a very well respected SEO expert...

                http://www.bruceclay.com/seo/seofordummies.htm

                Ok, I'm leaving this thread here..


                Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

                Well, according to Angela and Paul they are high quality, according to you they aren't. I really can't say who is telling the truth because I'm not yet much of an expert at SEO.
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                • Profile picture of the author kazlas
                  Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins View Post

                  Don't get me wrong, profile backlinks have their place.. But after 10 years of doing SEO, I can tell you ...they are far from high quality.

                  Get yourself a book on SEO. I recommend Search Engine Optimization an Hour A Day or SEO for Dummies is good too as its written by Bruce Clay - a very well respected SEO expert...

                  Bruce Clay - SEO - Search Engine Optimization All-in-One for Dummies

                  Ok, I'm leaving this thread here..
                  SEO for dummies... I seem to have a lot respect from you Just kidding, going to read it right now.
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              • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
                Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

                Well, according to Angela and Paul they are high quality, according to you they aren't. I really can't say who is telling the truth because I'm not yet much of an expert at SEO.
                We're trying to help you be better at it and not so emotionally attached to your rankings.

                Dont trip - the good news is - its a pretty low comp phrase - and with a little bit more sustained efforts you could easily grab back the page 1 spots you desire.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
            Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

            But I was there... Yesterday... 3rd... And ~160 high quality profile backlinks yet need to get indexed...
            Google shuffles things around quite often. The truth of the matter is that nobody here is going to be able to give you the exact reason why this happened. So, instead of worrying about it, get back to work.

            Profile links work ok, but you need to mix it up a lot more than that if you want to solidify your rankings. Of course Angela and Paul say they are high quality, they sell them.

            Make some web 2.0s, write some good articles (and hope they get syndicated), look around for a good link network (I prefer BuildMyRank). Mix up your links a lot more and you should bounce back and stay there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    One of my sites went from nowhere in the SERPs to #10, page one. I thought...that was easy. Then after a few weeks, that term has settled back at #21. So, at 4 months, you may be in a minor dance. Right now Google is shuffling you around. Take your 3rd ranking as a gift for as long as it was there. In the meantime, build some inbound links and work your way back. You are definitely not being penalized, it is just going to require more work.
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    • Profile picture of the author teatree
      What struck me was all those "breaking news" links you have placed on the page.

      You've confused the Google bot, which is why it has shunted you backwards for your keyword.

      Remember the bot is a machine - if you have stuff on your page about elections and stuff on your page about tattoos, it's not sure which of the two your page is about. Words within links get heavier weight than plain text. Result, the bot no longer thinks your page is entirely about tattoos, and hence not relevant to the searcher.

      Remove those links, and you should start to climb back.
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      The basic problems I see, in order of importance, are...

      1. A lack of authority links.

      2. A lack of links in general (I see less than 100)

      3. Heavy competition in the niche

      4. Heavy use of syndicated content (creates difficulty ranking)

      5. Weak onsite SEO.
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        And the survey says! ... bgmacaw ftw .... yet again.



        Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

        The basic problems I see, in order of importance, are...

        1. A lack of authority links.

        2. A lack of links in general (I see less than 100)

        3. Heavy competition in the niche

        4. Heavy use of syndicated content (creates difficulty ranking)

        5. Weak onsite SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author kazlas
      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      One of my sites went from nowhere in the SERPs to #10, page one. I thought...that was easy. Then after a few weeks, that term has settled back at #21. So, at 4 months, you may be in a minor dance. Right now Google is shuffling you around. Take your 3rd ranking as a gift for as long as it was there. In the meantime, build some inbound links and work your way back. You are definitely not being penalized, it is just going to require more work.
      I don't think google was shuffling me around, because I climbed step by step 10, 9, 8, 7... 3 and then BAM, my result was gone, when my site first appeared in google it was in Page 8 and I had to work my way up

      Originally Posted by teatree View Post

      What struck me was all those "breaking news" links you have placed on the page.

      You've confused the Google bot, which is why it has shunted you backwards for your keyword.

      Remember the bot is a machine - if you have stuff on your page about elections and stuff on your page about tattoos, it's not sure which of the two your page is about. Words within links get heavier weight than plain text. Result, the bot no longer thinks your page is entirely about tattoos, and hence not relevant to the searcher.

      Remove those links, and you should start to climb back.
      I'll definately try that, since it makes sense, thanks! It was attempt to an method of getting links from technorati in google responsed, but now I don't see it worth trying if it brought me down like that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
        It'll come back, just be consistent in adding content and backlinks. I attached an image of a website I have in the top 5 for the past couple of months. You can see in the image that it wasin the very bottom, it dropped, then it came back up. It danced around a bit, stabilized and boom, it dropped again, only for it to come back up. This is normal and expect it to happen. Just be consistent and your efforts will be rewarded. Yahoo and Bing haven't been very nice with me lately on that site and keyword :\
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        • Profile picture of the author kazlas
          Originally Posted by Sleaklight View Post

          It'll come back, just be consistent in adding content and backlinks. I attached an image of a website I have in the top 5 for the past couple of months. You can see in the image that it wasin the very bottom, it dropped, then it came back up. It danced around a bit, stabilized and boom, it dropped again, only for it to come back up. This is normal and expect it to happen. Just be consistent and your efforts will be rewarded. Yahoo and Bing haven't been very nice with me lately on that site and keyword :
          Thanks, I think you had the most similar situation to mine. I hope mine will go up as well soon. Anyway, good thing I know exactly 0 people that use Bing or Yahoo instead of google lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Evita
    Look, Kazlas,

    Where do I start?


    What is happening is NORMAL for a new site. Just chill.

    As long as you have original content and your on page SEO is OK the best think to do is just to continue building links and don't give it another thought for some months.
    Just move on to the next site.

    Some of the responses/theories on this thread will lead you all over the place. (Another part of the learning is to just hang out here long enough to begin to learn who to listen to and who spouts of a bunch of stuff without basis...) Learn the basics, implement them and MOVE ON.

    Don't waste precious time checking and rechecking rankings. Build more sites instead. Some sites take more than a few months to rank no matter how may links you build. And some of the links you have built may take some time to show up as well.

    A big part of this business is TIME. Once you have done this for a few years and have set up many sites the dip you are experiencing right now won't even make you raise an eyebrow.

    This business is a long term thing.


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  • Profile picture of the author kazlas
    Thanks a lot guys, I've got some really useful tips from you. It really made me feel okay and now I'm pretty sure I am going to bounce back.

    Yet I want to ask one more thing:
    A lot of you say keep building backlinks, and I have completely no problem with that. The thing is tho, I still have 160 decent links to be indexed, so, should I be focusing more on building new ones, or should I put effort to the ones that need to get indexed? I mean, if I went on top five with about ~70 backlinks, from which ~40 are decent, wouldn't I just waste my time by adding more links who are not neccasarilly (I hate this word, no idea how to spell it correctly haha) needed?
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      Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

      Thanks a lot guys, I've got some really useful tips from you. It really made me feel okay and now I'm pretty sure I am going to bounce back.

      Yet I want to ask one more thing:
      A lot of you say keep building backlinks, and I have completely no problem with that. The thing is tho, I still have 160 decent links to be indexed, so, should I be focusing more on building new ones, or should I put effort to the ones that need to get indexed? I mean, if I went on top five with about ~70 backlinks, from which ~40 are decent, wouldn't I just waste my time by adding more links who are not neccasarilly (I hate this word, no idea how to spell it correctly haha) needed?
      Always continue building links. SEO is a continuous process and the competition never sleeps...trust me...
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        Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

        Always continue building links. SEO is a continuous process and the competition never sleeps...trust me...
        But if there's no competition at ALL (I mean the guys that try to claim rankings just like me), that means I can get enough for a specific keyword, right?
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      Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

      A lot of you say keep building backlinks, and I have completely no problem with that. The thing is tho, I still have 160 decent links to be indexed, so, should I be focusing more on building new ones, or should I put effort to the ones that need to get indexed? I mean, if I went on top five with about ~70 backlinks, from which ~40 are decent, wouldn't I just waste my time by adding more links who are not neccasarilly (I hate this word, no idea how to spell it correctly haha) needed?
      SEO is a continues process..for you to get more good positioning you should just continue and dont just wait for your others work to take effect..keep in mind that your competitors are on they way up too
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    Well the thing you have to remember is that you are not the only one in town, sort of speak. That stuff is changed daily and its because people are always changing and adding new stuff! It sucks but thats just the way it goes.
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    Originally Posted by kazlas View Post

    Guess what? My site was 3rd for a keyword. NOW AFTER ONE NIGHT IT IS PAGE 5 44TH POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!??!?
    I'm going out on a huge frickin limb here saying. You need relevant meta tags, more pages, more posts and much more relevancy.

    and if you are using google adwords this is of no surprise to me.Google slaps the $hit out of any marketer just for being a marketer.
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    A lot of you say keep building backlinks, and I have completely no problem with that. The thing is tho, I still have 160 decent links to be indexed, so, should I be focusing more on building new ones, or should I put effort to the ones that need to get indexed? I mean, if I went on top five with about ~70 backlinks, from which ~40 are decent,
    No - actually you didnt. Google has an artificial serp booster for newer sites referred to as Query Deserves Freshness - in other words fresh new content can be given priority - because its new. You were getting an artificial bump in the serps.

    redouble your Backlinking efforts with an even greater diversity of links... you will climb back and bounce up and down and ultimately stabilize.

    More new content - solid On Site Optimization and many more links and you can get where you want to be ...
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      Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

      No - actually you didnt. Google has an artificial serp booster for newer sites referred to as Query Deserves Freshness - in other words fresh new content can be given priority - because its new. You were getting an artificial bump in the serps.

      redouble your Backlinking efforts with an even greater diversity of links... you will climb back and bounce up and down and ultimately stabilize.

      More new content - solid On Site Optimization and many more links and you can get where you want to be ...
      I will try this out.
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    • Profile picture of the author kazlas
      Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

      Guys... time to chill a bit -

      Back to the OP... stuff happens because stuff happens. You need to continue doing what you know to do and ignore the rest.

      Also, I happen to check my site using the URL you have for checking ranking and was stunned to see that on my brand keyword phrase 'home business mastery', I ranked page 9 / pos 85 - what??

      I check it on my computer... page 1, position 1.

      I deleted all my cookies, signed out of my G account... still page 1, pos 1.

      Checked your recommended rank checker again, page 9....

      Tried paulbarrs.com, Internet Business Training for your Home Internet Business., http://www.paulbbarrs.com - same.

      Thing is - it wasn't picking up my site on page 9, it was picking up someone else's site with my link on it.

      Logged back into Google, checked webmaster tools... page 1.

      Used the desktop app, Cherry picker... page 1, pos 1.

      Point being... who cares... do what you know WORKS... and keep at it.

      Your competition is.... so you may we all also.

      Paul Barrs

      PS. In case you search engine folk wanna know, the phrase 'home business mastery' isn't even mentioned on my site in text format - just the headline graphic.
      Well in my browser it also showed me 3rd (after deleting all cookies and stuff), the tool I've mentioned showed third as well. Now, however, my root domain doesn't exist in either my google screen or that tool's. Since I've told you my domain name (I'm not blaming anyone, opposite - big big thanks for people that were actually looking at my site and telling what's wrong) google analytics shows great increase of traffic and now I can't detect which one was from SEO and which from people checking my blog. When I've became 3rd my daily traffic suddenly jumped from 0-3 visitors a day to constant ~8 (I know I will sound ridiculous to you guys, but it was a lot to me). I guess I will have to wait a bit for further tracking.
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    Have you any copied content, for which you don't own the copyright contents? Or maybe because of a change in algorithm!
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