Common Misconceptions About SEO

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I have read a few things around this forum that have been bugging me the last few weeks.

It's the common misconceptions that it seems a lot of people have about SEO. Based on my own testing, here is what I have discovered:

NoFollow links are bad
False. No Follow links are actually good. When used correctly they can actually boost your rankings. This is because search engines see that your linking strategies are natural and it doesn't seem as though you are forcefully getting links back to your pages.

When people click through nofollow links and land on your page, search engines recognize this. They KNOW where your traffic comes from, and give you points for quality visits (ie; time spent on your site)

Google Penalizes Duplicate Content
Believe it or not, FALSE. Well, true and false. If you have the same content as somebody else ranking for a certain keyword Google will not allow you to rank highly for that particular keyword.

HOWEVER, in my experience, it is completely possible to rank the same content highly for a different keyword.

Topic Related Backlinks Aren't Important Anymore
Big fat false. The search engines love topic related posts. Besides the fact that the algorithms seem to lean preferably towards topic-related backlinks, the fact is that when you have a link from a PR5 cooking website to your dog grooming website you will naturally receive less traffic through your link than other relative links on that page. Therefore the search engines will learn over time that visitors don't like your links as much as other peoples links. -This does not look good.

I'm sure I have come across other misconceptions like these but these are the ones I just had to get off my chest.

If you have any SEO-related questions, feel free to drop me a personal message or email (dave@SEOJuice.net)

All the best,
Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author srbilles
    I don't want to sound like a dick here but everything you just said is complete rubbish and I highly doubt it comes from experience because if it did you would not have said what you said.

    1. A nofollow link doesn't pass link juice and if it doesn't pass link juice how is it good for ranking? A nofollow link will still get crawled by the bots and everything but if its not passing link juice then how can it help your ranking?

    2. Google doesn't award "points" IE. higher rankings because of how many visits you get. Plus if you don't have google analytics installed on your site then google doesn't know anything.

    3. I don't even know how you came up with your duplicate content theory. Duplicate content can most certainly be an issue especially when it occurs on your own site. And what do you think the supplemental index is? It's where Google puts other pages that it deems as being too much the same in content as compared to the results it's showing.

    4. Site topics (themes) have nothing to do with link relevancy. I can put a cat artice that links to my cat site on a dog site and my link is very relevant and will count towards my ranking.
    In fact I've ranked pages in the top 3 where 100% of my links where from sites not even closely related to mine.

    You seem to be confusing traffic with rankings and they are two different things.

    I think you need to do a little more studing on exactly what goes into ranking pages before you spout off crap like this.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by srbilles View Post

      I don't want to sound like a dick here but everything you just said is complete rubbish and I highly doubt it comes from experience because if it did you would not have said what you said.

      1. A nofollow link doesn't pass link juice and if it doesn't pass link juice how is it good for ranking? A nofollow link will still get crawled by the bots and everything but if its not passing link juice then how can it help your ranking?

      2. Google doesn't award "points" IE. higher rankings because of how many visits you get. Plus if you don't have google analytics installed on your site then google doesn't know anything.

      3. I don't even know how you came up with your duplicate content theory. Duplicate content can most certainly be an issue especially when it occurs on your own site. And what do you think the supplemental index is? It's where Google puts other pages that it deems as being too much the same in content as compared to the results it's showing.

      4. Site topics (themes) have nothing to do with link relevancy. I can put a cat artice that links to my cat site on a dog site and my link is very relevant and will count towards my ranking.
      In fact I've ranked pages in the top 3 where 100% of my links where from sites not even closely related to mine.

      You seem to be confusing traffic with rankings and they are two different things.

      I think you need to do a little more studing on exactly what goes into ranking pages before you spout off crap like this.
      You seem to need to actually read and learn. You just showed how much
      you actually know, to actually read.

      Nofollows are never bad. How can they be? Not passing PR is not bad, it's just
      not passing PR. Period. Nofollow links can be quite valuable. They are NEVER
      BAD!!!!!!!! That shows you don't know D!ck.

      Google readily indexes and shows duplicate content. That's common knowledge.
      Putting duplicate content on your site is never bad. Putting the same content
      in multiple places on your website to fool search engines is bad. But google
      loves a whole lot of duplicate content.

      Getting traffic is VERY related to rankings. In the long run. You want link bait.
      You want authority. You get that by getting targeted traffic that in turn will
      love you, visit you, and promote you. Funny, google tells you exactly that.

      Not sure why the hate. The OP was obviously reiterating some things he
      learned here. Maybe you should do the same. Read and learn. And not
      be a D!ck.

      The only thing I would slightly disagree with is the topic thing. A PR5 backlink
      from a nonrelevant site is a whole lot better than a PR2 from what one may
      perceive as relevant. Only google knows relevancy. We don't.

      Icanhazcheezeburger did not get there by having a bunch of links from other
      cat picture pages. They got there by going viral all over the web.

      But see how civil we can be in disagreeing? Without being a D!ck?

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author srbilles
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        You seem to need to actually read and learn. You just showed how much
        you actually know, to actually read.

        Nofollows are never bad. How can they be? Not passing PR is not bad, it's just
        not passing PR. Period. Nofollow links can be quite valuable. They are NEVER
        BAD!!!!!!!! That shows you don't know D!ck.
        I think you need too re-read what I wrote Paul. Where did I say the nofollow links were "bad"? Nofollow links can be a great source of referral traffic when placed on high traffic sites. I said that they don't help in ranking! Which you agreed on in another post above?! Show me a page that is ranking based on nofollow links?? Next time you might want to make sure that you actually read what I write before flinging the insult cause it just makes you look bad.

        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Google readily indexes and shows duplicate content. That's common knowledge.
        Putting duplicate content on your site is never bad. Putting the same content
        in multiple places on your website to fool search engines is bad. But google
        loves a whole lot of duplicate content.
        Are you for real? Why do you think the big 3 SE's agreed to honor the canonical tag for if duplicate content wasn't an issue? It's because duplicate content can hurt your rankings when your back links are split between two or more url's. Let me guess...you never considered the canonical issue as being a part of the duplicate content debate (which it is.)

        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Getting traffic is VERY related to rankings. In the long run. You want link bait.
        You want authority. You get that by getting targeted traffic that in turn will
        love you, visit you, and promote you. Funny, google tells you exactly that.
        Again Paul why don't you read what I wrote. I was not talking about getting traffic from link bait. I was talking about rankings. Google does not use traffic stats to determine where a person ranks in the serp's. That would be a completely moronic thing to do since traffic numbers can be manipulated. And its been said by a number of google engineers that they do not base ranking on how much traffic a site gets.

        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Not sure why the hate. The OP was obviously reiterating some things he
        learned here. Maybe you should do the same. Read and learn. And not
        be a D!ck.
        If you cared to actually follow people who do these kinds of tests you'd see that in general they all come to the same conclusions. Generally the things that may be disagreed on between the different parties are the finer details.
        The statements made by this OP were so far off what has already been tested that it is evident that no testing was done.

        It's one thing to go further in ones testing to conclude on things on a "details" level but the underlying statements made from the original tests still hold true, your just ironing out the finer details.

        The statements made by this OP have never been proven as being true.

        And if one is going to make statements that are 180 degress off of what has already been tested and proven then they better present some kind of documentation showing how they tested it and how they ended up with their conclusions.
        If at least that was done I'd give the guy props, but it wasn't.

        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        The only thing I would slightly disagree with is the topic thing. A PR5 backlink
        from a nonrelevant site is a whole lot better than a PR2 from what one may
        perceive as relevant. Only google knows relevancy. We don't.

        Icanhazcheezeburger did not get there by having a bunch of links from other
        cat picture pages. They got there by going viral all over the web.

        But see how civil we can be in disagreeing? Without being a D!ck?

        Paul
        Of course a PR 5 link is going to be weighted more then a PR 2. And what the hell are you talking about cat pictures for. The OP was talking about site topic relevance. As in getting links from other sites with in your topic/niche. That has also been completely dis-proven as being a fact and I can personally vouch for that one because a lot of the links I get are from outside my niche/topic and they all work to help my ranking.

        You know it's one thing to come in an try and defend someone, and it's another thing to come in and start bashing another persons post before you spend the time actually understanding what was said. It doesn't make you look good at all. Just because you come in here with your 1000+ posts doesn't mean you have any knowledge on this topic which is evident based on your comments. Or maybe it was like I said...you rushing in to defend before reading and understanding whats being discussed.

        @dadamson - there's no hate bro. but when there are statements made like that with no documentation behind it I had to call you on it.
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        • Profile picture of the author dadamson
          @Srbilles - Firstly, I might be new to this forum, but I am not new to SEO. I have been in this game for years, and time and time again I have been able to rank my clients in number one spot. I put this down to the fact that I am willing to diversify my link building efforts and do my own testing before believing anything I read.

          Firstly, nofollow links. Sorry for not giving any evidence and just throwing my results out there. Have you been following Google’s algorithm changes over the last 12 months closely monitoring the results?

          Let me tell you, I have. Because my business depends on it. My testing has been very influential to the way I build links now. Sure 12 months ago your points are all correct, but now my testing shows differently.

          Nofollow links are not just a source of relevant traffic, believe it or not they do help your rankings.

          If you think traffic has no affect on your rankings you have been incredibly misguided. The amount or traffic, average time spent on your site, and bounce rates, all play a big role in where Google places you in the SERPs.

          Here is the nofollow theory:

          Google seems to be taking more and more notice over traffic sources. If you have a high number of visitors clicking through no-follow links, the search engines will see this. Not only does it help your rankings because of the use of natural backlinks (the effect is relative to the types of backlinks you already have), but if you disregard whether links are do or no follow you will find more links that get better relative quality traffic, therefore helping your rankings.

          Here is the nofollow proof:

          In August, I created 2 mini-sites for nofollow testing purposes. I varied the percentage that I used nofollow links for the two sites that were set up with identical SEO structures (different content though).

          In two months I ranked number eight for the keyword "golf techniques" in Google using 100% dofollow links. I ranked number 3 for the same keyword using a ratio of 80% dofollow / 20% nofollow links. Each link I created was as similar as possible for each site so I didn't hinder the data.

          As I have slowed down my backlinking for this keyword my site has slid to about number five I think. Go check it out and analysis my backlinks to see the structure: yourgolfday.com

          Now, the point that I am trying to get across here is not "follow me I know all the SEO secrets!", it is simply.. Do your own testing and don't waste your time following so-called "gurus".

          Some SEO 'gurus' I have followed have been completely outdated in their methods they teach, which I assume is why a lot of people here seem to have outdated ideas. - I guess when people become successful, they don't DO SEO, they outsource and teach SEO.
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          • Profile picture of the author srbilles
            Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

            Firstly, nofollow links. Sorry for not giving any evidence and just throwing my results out there. Have you been following Google's algorithm changes over the last 12 months closely monitoring the results?

            Let me tell you, I have. Because my business depends on it. My testing has been very influential to the way I build links now. Sure 12 months ago your points are all correct, but now my testing shows differently.

            Nofollow links are not just a source of relevant traffic, believe it or not they do help your rankings.

            If you think traffic has no affect on your rankings you have been incredibly misguided. The amount or traffic, average time spent on your site, and bounce rates, all play a big role in where Google places you in the SERPs.
            Again I ask, how do you think google is able to see these statistics if you don't have google analytics installed on your site?

            The answer is they can't.

            So how does Google take into account the time spent on a site, it's bounce rate and traffic numbers if it can't see the data??

            Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

            Here is the nofollow theory:

            Google seems to be taking more and more notice over traffic sources.
            Where is the evidence to show this? I have yet to see any evidence that shows Google even giving a damn about this when determining rankings.

            Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

            If you have a high number of visitors clicking through no-follow links, the search engines will see this. Not only does it help your rankings because of the use of natural backlinks (the effect is relative to the types of backlinks you already have), but if you disregard whether links are do or no follow you will find more links that get better relative quality traffic, therefore helping your rankings.
            Again you refer to traffic = rankings. Where is the proof of this.

            Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

            Here is the nofollow proof:

            In August, I created 2 mini-sites for nofollow testing purposes. I varied the percentage that I used nofollow links for the two sites that were set up with identical SEO structures (different content though).

            In two months I ranked number eight for the keyword "golf techniques" in Google using 100% dofollow links. I ranked number 3 for the same keyword using a ratio of 80% dofollow / 20% nofollow links. Each link I created was as similar as possible for each site so I didn't hinder the data.

            As I have slowed down my backlinking for this keyword my site has slid to about number five I think. Go check it out and analysis my backlinks to see the structure: yourgolfday.com
            I fail to see how that is proof that nofollow links help in rankings, when clearly the bulk of your backlinks are do-follow.

            I want to see a site where it ranked in the top 3 based on nothing but nofollow links. I have yet to find one.

            Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

            Now, the point that I am trying to get across here is not "follow me I know all the SEO secrets!", it is simply.. Do your own testing and don't waste your time following so-called "gurus".
            Agreed. But does it not make sense to also pay attention to those who do this kind of testing as their day job. Since they are better setup for such testing compared to the average joe.
            And when you follow these people and you read their findings they all end up saying the same thing. Either proving a theory wrong or proving a theory right.

            Yours goes against all other test results with out showing any documented proof that your tests even existed which makes me doubt the very premise of your statements.

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            • Profile picture of the author dadamson
              I would have to disagree Jacob and Srbilles to an extent.

              As long as you have Analytics installed, Google can see all traffic data. If you don't, I believe (without strong evidence) that it can access basic site data through other reputable services.

              Yes Jacob, these metrics can be gamed way too easily, but so can link building. The fact that there ARE those services out there that guarantee 10,000 links for $20 suggests that there are some theories around this.

              I will admit, I have not yet split-tested the visitor stats theory, but I believe there is some weight in this, even if not much.

              Originally Posted by srbilles View Post

              I fail to see how that is proof that nofollow links help in rankings, when clearly the bulk of your backlinks are do-follow.
              Originally Posted by srbilles View Post


              I want to see a site where it ranked in the top 3 based on nothing but nofollow links. I have yet to find one.
              Thanks for your response Srbilles, to answer this one, you will be hard-pressed to find a site ranking that high with nothing but no-follow links.

              My point is that no-follow links do carry some weight, and a ratio of 20/80 nofollow/dofollow seems to work best for me.

              Google will sandbox sites that seem too unnatural. If you are building thousands upon thousands of backlinks to target high-competition pages, you'd better think about including some no-follows in there somewhere. If you are only building a few hundred links this doesn't matter so much in my experience.

              Originally Posted by srbilles View Post

              Agreed. But does it not make sense to also pay attention to those who do this kind of testing as their day job. Since they are better setup for such testing compared to the average joe.
              Originally Posted by srbilles View Post

              And when you follow these people and you read their findings they all end up saying the same thing. Either proving a theory wrong or proving a theory right.

              Yours goes against all other test results with out showing any documented proof that your tests even existed which makes me doubt the very premise of your statements.
              To be honest, I don't regard myself as being too left-wing on this. My methods are quite similar to the guru's I used to follow. However, I don't just take methods for granted, I do my own testing.

              Please let me know what proof you need. You are welcome to analysis my link building efforts from the website I exampled above.

              I'm not saying, go out and duplicate PLR material from Ezines, or go out and build 100 nofollow links. I'm simply saying that a lot of people have misconceptions about these things.

              (In my experience) If you go out and build links without checking every single link in a nodofollow plugin, you will be building them more naturally, which believe it or not, looks a lot better to Google.

              To provide a little more evidence on duplicate content. I have a website (farmville-millionaire.com) which automatically creates posts generated from an internal RSS aggregator. I unually end up outranking the authority Farmville sites for parallel keywords that the authorities aren't specifically targeting but still ranking for.

              Each post is then automatically shared to my Facebook friends and I get around 800 uniques per day, ~60% search ~40% direct. I used to build backlinks to this site but is basically on autopilot now and I haven't built links to it for months.

              This site has analytics installed and this sparked my initial thoughts in wondering if traffic = rankings.

              Cheers
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          • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
            Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

            If you think traffic has no affect on your rankings you have been incredibly misguided. The amount or traffic, average time spent on your site, and bounce rates, all play a big role in where Google places you in the SERPs.
            This is just flat out incorrect. How does Google track average time on site, bounce rate, and traffic for websites who do not choose to install analytics on their sites?

            There is just no way for Google to know how long people are spending on sites that don't have analytics installed.

            Not to mention if any of those metrics played any kind of role, don't you think you'd be seeing people offering services to sit on your site to improve avg. time on site, visit your site from your backlinks to improve your traffic, and not bounce?

            The 3 metrics listed could be gamed way too easily for Google to take them into account.

            If traffic influenced ranking, everyone would be buying the 10,000 guaranteed unique visitors for $20 that you see in various places around the web. They would also be participating in every traffic exchange program available online.
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          • Profile picture of the author mOrrI
            Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

            @Srbilles - Firstly, I might be new to this forum, but I am not new to SEO. I have been in this game for years, and time and time again I have been able to rank my clients in number one spot. I put this down to the fact that I am willing to diversify my link building efforts and do my own testing before believing anything I read.

            Firstly, nofollow links. Sorry for not giving any evidence and just throwing my results out there. Have you been following Google’s algorithm changes over the last 12 months closely monitoring the results?

            Let me tell you, I have. Because my business depends on it. My testing has been very influential to the way I build links now. Sure 12 months ago your points are all correct, but now my testing shows differently.

            Nofollow links are not just a source of relevant traffic, believe it or not they do help your rankings.

            If you think traffic has no affect on your rankings you have been incredibly misguided. The amount or traffic, average time spent on your site, and bounce rates, all play a big role in where Google places you in the SERPs.

            Here is the nofollow theory:

            Google seems to be taking more and more notice over traffic sources. If you have a high number of visitors clicking through no-follow links, the search engines will see this. Not only does it help your rankings because of the use of natural backlinks (the effect is relative to the types of backlinks you already have), but if you disregard whether links are do or no follow you will find more links that get better relative quality traffic, therefore helping your rankings.

            Here is the nofollow proof:

            In August, I created 2 mini-sites for nofollow testing purposes. I varied the percentage that I used nofollow links for the two sites that were set up with identical SEO structures (different content though).

            In two months I ranked number eight for the keyword "golf techniques" in Google using 100% dofollow links. I ranked number 3 for the same keyword using a ratio of 80% dofollow / 20% nofollow links. Each link I created was as similar as possible for each site so I didn't hinder the data.

            As I have slowed down my backlinking for this keyword my site has slid to about number five I think. Go check it out and analysis my backlinks to see the structure: yourgolfday.com

            Now, the point that I am trying to get across here is not "follow me I know all the SEO secrets!", it is simply.. Do your own testing and don't waste your time following so-called "gurus".

            Some SEO 'gurus' I have followed have been completely outdated in their methods they teach, which I assume is why a lot of people here seem to have outdated ideas. - I guess when people become successful, they don't DO SEO, they outsource and teach SEO.
            Well Said...
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Originally Posted by srbilles View Post

          I think you need too re-read what I wrote Paul. Where did I say the nofollow links were "bad"? Nofollow links can be a great source of referral traffic when placed on high traffic sites. I said that they don't help in ranking! Which you agreed on in another post above?! Show me a page that is ranking based on nofollow links?? Next time you might want to make sure that you actually read what I write before flinging the insult cause it just makes you look bad.
          Obviously, you read nothing. So, go back an re-read. My post was not talking
          about nofollow helping PR. Please re-read that. Makes you look silly.
          So let's take a REAL look at what I said about nofollow:

          Nofollows are never bad. How can they be? Not passing PR is not bad, it's just
          not passing PR. Period. Nofollow links can be quite valuable. They are NEVER
          BAD!!!!!!!! That shows you don't know D!ck.
          Absolutely does not help in rankings, in general. But a nofollow is not bad.

          And it can lead, in the future, to good things. You get traffic, you get followers,
          you get exposure, all leading to good things. Nofollow is "bad" if you are trying
          for higher PR, but not "bad" in and of itself. In the case of PR, bad would refer
          to not helping, not necessarily bad.
          Nofollow links are not bad. And they can help you improve your rankings over
          time. In fact. Stop thinking about google and start thinking about visitors.
          It's called link baiting. It's called building exposure. It's called building authority.

          You have to read the rest of the story...

          How about a non nofollow link on a page that's not indexed. Is that bad?
          Same story. Think a little bit on that one. It's not a nofollow, right? So
          it must be "good," right? Oh it might be in the future...B-I-N-G-O.
          But then, it may not be.

          I want my link everywhere I can. But then, I don't let google run my life.
          I make sure I get more traffic outside google than with google. Try it
          sometimes.

          And some of those nofollow links are money in da bank!

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          • Profile picture of the author srbilles
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            Nofollow links are not bad. And they can help you improve your rankings over
            time. In fact. Stop thinking about google and start thinking about visitors.
            The whole point of this conversation was about rankings in case you forgot.

            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            How about a non nofollow link on a page that's not indexed. Is that bad?
            Same story. Think a little bit on that one. It's not a nofollow, right? So
            it must be "good," right? Oh it might be in the future...B-I-N-G-O.
            But then, it may not be.

            I want my link everywhere I can. But then, I don't let google run my life.
            I make sure I get more traffic outside google than with google. Try it
            sometimes.

            And some of those nofollow links are money in da bank!

            Paul
            Seriously bro.? Are you trying to sound clever? That doesn't make the least bit of sense.
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      • Profile picture of the author arttse
        How does google measure bounce rate if analytics isn't installed?

        Easy!

        As soon as a user accesses your site via a google search, they have your details.
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  • Profile picture of the author littlekid
    i get little confusing about this google ranking guys.. one said this and one said that.. who should i follow? i need a better explanation for this, so i will not make any wrong effort when i spend my time to do SEO campaign.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by littlekid View Post

      i get little confusing about this google ranking guys.. one said this and one said that.. who should i follow? i need a better explanation for this, so i will not make any wrong effort when i spend my time to do SEO campaign.
      Forget learning SEO exclusively from Forums. Do some searches on google and read well known experts . Then you will be in a better position to judge some of the disagreements that go on here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    Nobody really knows if nofollow passes
    link juice or not.

    A year or so ago everybody though that
    nofollow didn't leak PR until Matt Cutts
    came out and said it did, catching
    everybody by surprise.

    We should get a high number of links from
    a list of diversified, high quality sites. That's it.
    Everything else is a guessing game.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by dadamson View Post


    NoFollow links are bad
    False. No Follow links are actually good. When used correctly they can actually boost your rankings. This is because search engines see that your linking strategies are natural and it doesn't seem as though you are forcefully getting links back to your pages.

    When people click through nofollow links and land on your page, search engines recognize this. They KNOW where your traffic comes from, and give you points for quality visits (ie; time spent on your site)
    Though one poster was overly harsh your number one point lacks any evidence for and a ton against. We have these nofollow arguments every now and again and no one ever puts the evidence on the table that nofollows in contradiction to what Google says actually counts. That nofollow does not help your site to rank is well known in SEO circles even beyond Google. the burden of proof is on you to PROVE otherwise.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Though one poster was overly harsh your number one point lacks any evidence for and a ton against. We have these nofollow arguments every now and again and no one ever puts the evidence on the table that nofollows in contradiction to what Google says actually counts. That nofollow does not help your site to rank is well known in SEO circles even beyond Google. the burden of proof is on you to PROVE otherwise.
      Absolutely does not help in rankings, in general. But a nofollow is not bad.

      And it can lead, in the future, to good things. You get traffic, you get followers,
      you get exposure, all leading to good things. Nofollow is "bad" if you are trying
      for higher PR, but not "bad" in and of itself. In the case of PR, bad would refer
      to not helping, not necessarily bad.

      That's what I got from the OP making a point. Nofollow in and
      of itself is not bad. Not helping is not hurting. I get my fill of links in a day, then
      see some low lying nofollow, I take em. Does no harm.

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    I have heard some people say: Google Penalizes Duplicate Content or Topic Related Backlinks Aren't Important Anymore but who said NoFollow links are bad? I think most webmasters and members know that nofollow links can help too.
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  • Profile picture of the author orvn
    You guys need a referee?
    lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Good points, I must reiterate that Google should not own you.

    I know a successful internet marketer who spends his time building up reputation and following on web 2.0 sites. This gives him over 80% of his traffic, and this is all great traffic already primed to sign up to his blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    I agree with the post. Thank you anyway for posting. It helps a lot for people to understand SEO more.
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  • Profile picture of the author theentry
    About the nofoloow/dofollow dilemma I have found this article:

    What can we conclude about NoFollow links?

    NoFollow links still obviously count at Yahoo. Do they count as much as DoFollow links? A more complicated experiment might help answer that question. Anyone feel like taking up the challenge?
    NoFollow links also appear to count at Google. Or perhaps some do and others don’t, depending on other factors Google might use to rate links from specific domains. However, we can be sure that Google does follow at least some NoFollow links.
    The conclusion I would draw from this is that people really should not focus on the NoFollow/DoFollow issue. Build links that are officially followable when you can, but don’t let a NoFollow attribute in a page’s links dissuade you from creating a link you would otherwise pursue.


    from David Leonhardt’s SEO and Social Media Marketing ยป Look who follows NoFollow links!
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Thanks for the resource theentry.

    This is exactly what I'm talking about. As few people here should have a read of this.

    Whether you believe it or not, if you pay less attention to do/nofollow tags when backlinking, you may see some improvements in ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gavin Abeyratne
    Alright ladies and gents, lets take a trip down memory lane:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...itates-me.html

    Interesting to see how people's opinions have changed, and how similar arguments come up.

    I must admit I'm a sucker for the debate, but it must be terrible for people who haven't had much experience with this stuff yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      By the above logic, I shouldn't use twitter because the links
      are nofollow. My twitter accounts are PR5. My twitter feeds are
      pulled in all over the net. The exposure is massive.

      My tweets regularly show up in SERPs.

      But, I urge everyone here who is hung up on not using nofollow links
      to not use twitter. Put your thoughts in action.

      Me? I'll take a nofollow twitter link anytime, anywhere.

      Case closed, I'm outtahere.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author srbilles
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        By the above logic, I shouldn't use twitter because the links
        are nofollow. My twitter accounts are PR5. My twitter feeds are
        pulled in all over the net. The exposure is massive.

        My tweets regularly show up in SERPs.

        But, I urge everyone here who is hung up on not using nofollow links
        to not use twitter. Put your thoughts in action.

        Me? I'll take a nofollow twitter link anytime, anywhere.

        Case closed, I'm outtahere.

        Paul
        I can agree on twitter even though it is nofollow and here's why. Because alot of sites that pull in twitter feeds have dofollow links. So the twitter feed that gets displayed becomes dofollow.
        That's the reason twitter and a few others are still useful when used as a backlinking tactic.
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        • Profile picture of the author arttse
          For those that dont believe in nofollow.

          If Wikipedia gave you nofollow links would you knock them back?
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        • Profile picture of the author arttse
          For those that dont believe in nofollow.

          If Wikipedia offered you nofollow links would you knock them back?
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  • Profile picture of the author Luke Gregory
    REALITY CHECK

    Does anyone here work for google's SEO team?? Im guessing no..

    If you found a method that got you directly to the top of google would you share it with everyone? .. Nope.

    So why not do your own testing and use what works for you?

    Hense why youll never see a SEO blueprint from me, and when ever i do reports for customers i never include everything. Why? becuase if everyone was great at SEO i wouldnt be making good money.

    Reality check over
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    • Profile picture of the author srbilles
      Originally Posted by Prestige Seo View Post

      REALITY CHECK

      Does anyone here work for google's SEO team?? Im guessing no..

      If you found a method that got you directly to the top of google would you share it with everyone? .. Nope.

      So why not do your own testing and use what works for you?

      Hense why youll never see a SEO blueprint from me, and when ever i do reports for customers i never include everything. Why? becuase if everyone was great at SEO i wouldnt be making good money.

      Reality check over
      Well unlike you there are people on this forum who do enjoy helping others.

      Besides there is nothing wrong with having a debate.

      And if more people did SEO properly there would be less spam on the internet and that is good for everyone.
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      • Profile picture of the author dadamson
        Originally Posted by srbilles View Post

        Well unlike you there are people on this forum who do enjoy helping others.

        Besides there is nothing wrong with having a debate.

        And if more people did SEO properly there would be less spam on the internet and that is good for everyone.
        Agreed. Nobody actually knows Googles algorithms so everything debated is based on trial and testing alone.

        Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and what works for them simply works for them.
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