PR/SEO QUESTION (brainbuster)

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This is a brainbuster.

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http://www.facebook.com/ has a PR of 9
http://www.facebook.com/login.php has a PR of 8

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This rule applies to the majority of sites (sub pages often have a lower PR than the root domain)

Here is the problem

www.site1.com has a PR of 10 (not true)
www.site1.com/article.php?id=12345 has a PR of 0

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If you take that, and apply it to any ezine article directory, how are you supposed to get any kind of PR ranking on your articles???? What good are those sites if only the root domain is worthy of a high PR? are there any article directories that get your specific article a PR above 0, or linked to from their ROOT domain (at least)???

Maybe I"m just confused, but I dont see how posting your articles on a directory gets you any kind of a high PR for that article
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  • Profile picture of the author alexei_aus
    as far as i see it, its not the PR that matters here, its the content of the article that is going to drive people your way.

    its not always about PR
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    It's a myth that only the PR of the page your link is on counts. A myth that will be argued to the death by some people, but a myth nevertheless.

    Recently, I did a test with an article I wrote that had HUGE competition in Google. 11 MILLION, to be exact. In less than two weeks I got my article to number 19 with quotes, #27 without quotes, by doing a backlink campaign on the article. With THAT MUCH competition. The places my link was actually located on the High Page Rank sites I linked it from were quite often brand new, PR 0 pages. But the domain itself had great Page Rank.

    Look at what Matt Cutts from Google doesn't say when asked about this. His immediate elusiveness confirms what I already knew; it's not just the PR of the actual page that counts. The domain itself has much more to do with it than the page does.

    Stephan Spencer: OK. So, I guess, a follow on to that would be: a .edu and .gov link, and so forth, has, typically, a more pristine link neighborhood, so it is not just about the PageRank, right? The link neighborhood comes into play.
    Matt Cutts: That is a little bit of a "secret sauce" question, so I am not going to go into how much we do trust that sort of stuff.
    Stephan Spencer: OK. I am going to slap my wrist now. Ouch, ouch!
    Matt Cutts: [laughing]
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I disagree with Angela, as it is the PR of the page that counts, if speaking from a purley PageRank point of view...Which is why it's called PageRank and not SiteRank.

    I believe Cutt's comments relate more directly to Hilltop and TrustRank than to PageRank.

    PageRank has actually been made public and it really isn't guess work to how it works.

    Having said this, the PR of the homepage can matter, as high PR domains surely get spidered more often. But remember, it's likely more important to get links from pages with a wide range of PR than to only concentrate on high PR sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
      I agree, Kurt, that the rank is an indication of the importance of a page, which is why new pages on High PR sites can be low or zero. However, for the Page Rank as well as the SERP algorithm of the sites linking to it, my own testing as well as other things I have seen proves to me that there is much more involved than simply the Page Rank of the actual page on which your link is stored on a website.

      If that were the case, then my multiple 0 Page Rank, brand new pages that I linked to my article would have had absolutely no effect. Instead, those backlinks pushed it almost 11 million places UP the Google index in less than two weeks.

      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I disagree with Angela, as it is the PR of the page that counts, if speaking from a purley PageRank point of view...Which is why it's called PageRank and not SiteRank.

      I believe Cutt's comments relate more directly to Hilltop and TrustRank than to PageRank.

      PageRank has actually been made public and it really isn't guess work to how it works.

      Having said this, the PR of the homepage can matter, as high PR domains surely get spidered more often. But remember, it's likely more important to get links from pages with a wide range of PR than to only concentrate on high PR sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

        I agree, Kurt, that the rank is an indication of the importance of a page, which is why new pages on High PR sites can be low or zero. However, for the Page Rank as well as the SERP algorithm of the sites linking to it, my own testing as well as other things I have seen proves to me that there is much more involved than simply the Page Rank of the actual page on which your link is stored on a website.

        If that were the case, then my multiple 0 Page Rank, brand new pages that I linked to my article would have had absolutely no effect. Instead, those backlinks pushed it almost 11 million places UP the Google index in less than two weeks.
        Hi Angela,

        This isn't really accurate, for a couple of reasons.

        1) The PR in the toolbar isn't accurate.

        2) Even if it was, "0" for PR isn't really 0. There is a <small> number that would round off to 0.

        PageRank, over-simplified, is based on taking all the links on the web and seeing how what percentage of these links a certain page has. Again, this is extremely over-simplified. But this means all <indexed> links have value. If a link is indexed, it has value, even if the PR in the bar says 0.


        I agree, there's many more things that come into play than PageRank. Hilltop, although never discussed, has always been more important than PageRank, IMO.

        I suggest that any serious SEOer interested in how Google probably views and values links should check out "hilltop". Just google "google + hilltop":
        google hilltop - Google Search

        I've always been curious as to webmasters' fascination with PageRank over the past 7-9 years, when Hilltop is probably much more important. I guess it's because we can see the PR in the Googlebar, but Hilltop is much more "mysterious".
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    Exactly, Kurt. I completely agree. The actual Page Rank of the page itself means something, yes...but it's not the be-all and end-all of what will happen to the sites that are linked there. Hilltop is, like you say, quite a bit more important than simple Page Rank. And that's why Authority Sites (that usually carry great PR) are so helpful in the SERPS to the sites who are linked to them.

    P.S. I never use the toolbar for determining PR. I always use this tool because it's the most accurate one I've seen:

    http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi Angela,

      I believe your reasoning is spot on. Pagerank has very little impact on SERP.

      This is not a new revelation, but it seems to be one that many folks have trouble accepting. There is no denying the evidence, yet people just hang on to that pagerank thing like it's all important.

      If you totally ignore Pagerank and focus on the other things that matter so much more, you end up with all the traffic while your competitors chasing Pagerank end up with a longer green line.

      I'll take the traffic, you can have the green line.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    Hi Don,

    I believe that Page Rank is a part of SERP; but not the whole story, like what Kurt said. If you'll notice, many Authority Sites have the best SERP positions as well as top notch Page Rank. It's part of the algorithm.

    However, SO many people think that the Page Rank of the actual page on which your link is located is the only thing that helps your site gain PR as well as SERP positioning. This is just not true. There is a lot more involved than the PR of the actual page itself. Placing your link on a PR 0 page inside of a High PR, Authority website DOES help your own PR as well as your SERP positioning.
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  • Profile picture of the author maestro2010
    well the PR is decided for each and every page if you are talking about google ranking.........

    if you are talking about alexa ranking then the ranking is done only for total website unless that website is a blog......

    so PR 0 does not means that it actually have PR 0 but it must be somewhere like 0.00000123214...

    getting PR for a article takes time and it might be the case it always remains at where it is but you cannot say that internal pages of article directoris or any site do not have a PR greater than PR0
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  • Profile picture of the author krishananda
    Back to the question from the OP, don't worry about the PR, just concentrate on what you were doing originally, build backlinks.

    PR can increase and decrease, I have my article submitted to eza ezinearticles.com/?8-Things-to-Help-You-Pass-CCNA-Exam&id=1505549, unranked at the time as usual, now it has a PR of 3, not bad eh?
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  • I agree with Angela that the authority of the site has a lot of value even when the page is PR zero.

    Page rank gives me leverage to use when link swapping and that in itsself is worth having but overall, pagerank becomes less of a concern the more you understand traffic and it's sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    the main problem with article directories when ppl post their articles is they never point links to them... gawd knows why, kinda a waste of time posting articles in the first place if ppl dont take that extra minute or so to make that article an authority article.
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    • Profile picture of the author krishananda
      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      the main problem with article directories when ppl post their articles is they never point links to them... gawd knows why, kinda a waste of time posting articles in the first place if ppl dont take that extra minute or so to make that article an authority article.
      That is totally true, some people would just make articles submit them and just leave them be.

      But lately my clients getting aware of raising the authority of the articles, they asked me to social bookmark the articles, although not all social bookmarking sites accept submissions for article directory pages but most still do.

      And a note, some social bookmarking sites won't allow submissions of deeplinks from a same domain over 10 times per day, so it's better to submit the articles to SB sites, 3-5 pages a day.

      You can also make another articles and point to other articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author gladioolers
    this is what i want to ask, thanks for the answeres for the question. I don't need to ask again.
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