How to Find a Niche Market - A Guide to Finding New Amazon Product Niche Markets

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I made a few posts in a thread about Amazon product websites where I shared niche market website of my own. I received A LOT of response about my website, DogCrateSizes, so I have decided to write a guide on how to find a niche market. I hope some of you will be able to use it to find a profitable niche market, plus it will give me something to refer people to when I am asked this question in the future (because it happens once a week at least).

This guide on finding a niche market outlines all of the steps that I take to find a new Amazon product niche. I feel like the niche selection process is one of the most important steps in building a successful Amazon product site. Even if you pick the best or most popular products to promote, you will never make sales on a regular basis without a great search engine ranking to bring targeted traffic to your site. This guide will teach you how to find a niche and a keyword phrase that will allow you to easily get a top ten search engine ranking on a keyword phrase that actually receives traffic.

This guide will NOT teach you how to actually build your website - it's just a guide to get you to the point of being ready to start building your website that will actually be successful and make you money every single money!

Product Selection
I always begin my search with product selection. You have to figure out what products you are going to be promoting before you can proceed to keyword and domain name selection. I use a number of different websites to find products. Ebay Pulse is a good website to see what people are looking to buy, although some of these products may not work well for this type of website. Even more so, some of these products may not even be available for sale on Amazon.

Everyone has their own method of finding products, but I personally prefer to find them on Amazon itself if I am going to be making a website that promotes Amazon products. This saves me a lot of time in the long run because I never find a product that ends up not being available for promotion.

I mainly use the tools that are available to the general public on Amazon. Just go to their main page and select a department. You can then further refine the department until you get down to specific types of products. Any of these are potential niche ideas, although more research will be needed to find out if it's a niche that you will be successful with. Start by simply making a list of some possible niche markets.

When you are searching within a particular category on Amazon, you can sort your results by 'Bestselling', 'Avg. Customer Review' and even by price. I like using these features to find some of the popular items or to target higher priced items. It does help sales a lot for a product you are promoting to have customer reviews.

You can also find out what people want to buy on Amazon.com by checking out Gift Central. Gift Central shows you some of the most wished for items in various categories or for different kinds of people (grandpa's, for example). This is a superb way to find out about popular niche products that you would ordinarily not even think about.

A lot of people will only select products with a price of $150 or higher, but I don't always agree with that policy. You will get lower commissions but better conversion rates with lower priced products and the opposite with higher priced products. This means that you will need more traffic to convert a single sale when you have a site promoting higher priced products. I really like it when I can find a niche that offers a bit of a variety of product prices so I have some cheaper items to promote that will get frequent sales and more expensive items that sell every now and again but bring great commissions.

Try to avoid the most mainstream high-priced items that are already over-promoted: TV, computers, etc. Although I do not have any specific places to recommend to find these specific products, new types of products that become available to the pubic are often the best niches to make a website for and they will usually have available domain names. Once you have a general product category, try to find new products made in that category within the past year or even products that will be coming out next year.

Keyword & Domain Name Selection
When I am trying to find a new niche market, I will only choose a primary keyword phrase that has the exact phrase available to register as a .COM domain name. This is one of the most important aspects of my entire campaign besides actual product selection. Without it, getting search engine rankings will take more work, time and effort. I prefer spending my time researching and making new websites - not marketing and maintaining!

Obviously, almost everyone will know about keyword resources from Google: Google Insights and Google Keyword Tool.

Google Insights is great to find out whether a product is on the rise or decline. You don't want to get on board with a product that people won't want to buy a few years from now and on the other end of the spectrum, you'll make a ton of money down the road if you get in on a product that is just starting and gains popularity over time. Insights will also give you suggestions of other relating search terms that are popular in addition to breakout searches featured on the right hand side of the page. An important point that I want to stress about Insights is to NEVER rely on these keywords to decide on a primary keyword phrase or domain name. Use this information as a guideline only to have an idea of the popularity of your products and whether they have seasonal tendencies.

Google Keyword Tool is used to actually select a keyword phrase for your product(s). You want to find a keyword phrase that has a good monthly search count. Although you will not see this option when you first make a search on the keyword tool, after your results are displayed you will be able to mark check boxes for "Broad, Exact and Phrase". You can check each of these boxes to give you an idea of the power for your keyword phrase in various areas. I've provided a brief explanation of each of these settings below.

Broad - This number shouldn't be taken too literally because you will likely never receive all of this traffic. This figure is a general traffic stat that will tell you how much traffic that subject receives, although the actual searches can be very different from your keyword phrase. If you end up creating an authority site that essentially covers every single topic for a subject, you could possibly see a portion of this search traffic.

Exact - Most people only go by the exact monthly search traffic in their keyword research. While this is a good practice, I don't think the other numbers should be ignored. I have had many websites with low exact monthly search traffic that gets many times more traffic than sites with considerably higher exact monthly searches. That's where the other two factors come into play, because you will usually target more than a single keyword phrase over an entire website. Depending on the price of the product I want to sell, I usually look to get a bare minimum of 200 exact monthly searches for my primary keyword phrase. Obviously, more will be better but it's hard to find available .com domain names containing the exact phrase for keywords that receive more than 1000 exact monthly searches. Some people claim to only make new sites with that kind of keyword traffic, but I believe automated scripts have snatched up almost all of these domain names. Whether that is true or not is not important because you don't need that many searches to have a successful website that makes daily sales.

Phrase - I like using this stat in combination with the 'Exact' stat to get an idea of the traffic that I can reasonably go after with a new niche market. I will give you a brief example of how important this number really is. Let's say your exact keyword phrase is "niche markets" and it receives 200 exact monthly searches (all made up figures, by the way). Most people will never consider this to be a good choice for a primary keyword phrase. However, if the 'Phrase' monthly traffic figure shows a reasonable amount of traffic then I would never pass up this choice as a primary keyword phrase. In fact, I want my 'Phrase' traffic to be considerably higher than my 'Exact' phrase traffic for my primary keyword. This gives me something to build my website with because all of those other keyword phrases that contain your primary keyword phrase will make for excellent content pages on your site. You optimize the main page of your site for the primary keyword phrase and then have many other pages that are each optimized for a single long-tail phrase that contains your primary phrase (ie, "new niche markets" or "product niche markets"). When you add up the traffic of all of these keyword phrases, you receive the 'Phrase' traffic number. I view this as the real potential for a website.

Another important thing to look at for your keyword phrase with Google Keyword Tool is the search volume trend shown in the bar graph for each keyword phrase. Unless you are targeting a seasonal product, you want to see a fairly steady bar graph or a bar graph that is on the rise. Never go for something that is really high to start and almost gone towards the end of the bar graph. This means the keyword phrase is losing traffic. You should also remember that the monthly traffic figures that Google provides are based on a 12 month average (an average of the months shown to you in those green bar graphs for each keyword). If you find a keyword that is quickly gaining popularity, it could show a low monthly search average but actually be receiving many more searches. When I find some real prospects for a keyword phrase, I ALWAYS download the CSV file from Google for the keyword results (there's a download button at the top of the results). Open that file with a spreadsheet program and take a look at the search volume counts. It will show you a count from the previous month - this figure will give you a real idea of it's current monthly search traffic. I believe this aspect is overlooked by automated programs and I have found keyword phrases with 500-800 average monthly searches that actually are receiving 1400 monthly searches as of last month. In almost all of these situations, I found the .COM domain name to be available for registration.

That brings me to my next point - domain name registration. ALWAYS get a .COM that is an exact match of your primary keyword phrase. An an example, if your keyword phrase is "niche market" then you want to be able to register "nichemarket.com". Keep searching through keyword possibilities until you find one that has an available domain name. Unfortunately, after you make your way through all of these steps, this entire process can take numerous hours or even longer to find a good niche. You can even go all the way through the process only to never find a single available .com domain name. In this case, you just have to brush it off and search for another niche.

When you find an available .com domain name for your keyword phrase, you need to do one more bit of research on Google before you make a final decision.

Go to Google and search for your keyword phrase. You need to look for a few things when you do this search:
  • Paid Advertising (Look at top and on right)
  • Authority Sites in the Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites in your niche)
  • Websites in the Top Ten with ALL/ANY of your keywords in the domain name
  • Websites in the Top Ten with the exact keyword phrase in the title and/or description
  • Websites in the Top Ten with more than one listing for the keyword phrase
It is OK to see some of the above things when you search for your keyword phrase, but if you see all of these things then you may want to consider another phrase. This should simply tell you how hard it is going to be to get ranked in the Top Ten with a quick look. If you would like to look at the competition a bit more, do the following on Google:
  • Search for the keyword phrase contained within quotes (ie: "niche market"). If you see more than 30,000 websites in those search results, you will need to put more effort into marketing, on-site optimization and content building. If you can find a keyword phrase with less than 10,000 results in this search, you should have a fairly easy time getting into the top ten if you follow the other guidelines I've talked about.
  • Search for the keyword phrase contained within quotes with "allintitle:" in front of it (ie, allintitle:"niche market"). If you see more than 10,000 websites, you will need more effort as stated above. In an ideal situation, I like this number below 1,000 or even below 500.
  • Go through each site in the Top Ten and perform a search to find out how many pages that particular website has (ie, site:example-domain-name.com). I don't have a set number I'm looking for here, but I like to mostly see websites that have a lower page count. When you find sites that have hundreds or even thousands of pages, this will let you know that you may need some extra effort to top these websites. The more pages a website contains, the more weight they will have in the search results in general (this helps to translate into a higher page rank for a site, which is why sites with millions of pages like wikipedia have high PR).
  • Just like before, go through the sites in the top ten and look to see how many backlinks Google shows for the website (ie, link:example-domain-name.com). Unfortunately, you can't take these exact numbers literally because new links will usually not show up in these results even if Google is already considering their weight. If a page other than the main page of a website is the ranking page in the top ten, check out the backlink count of that specific page as well as the entire domain name. This also helps you to determine the overall power of a website that you will compete with. Some people say to try and get as many backlinks as all of the pages in the top ten have combined to get a #1 ranking, but this isn't needed in most cases unless you are in a high competition niche. You can be #1 with zero backlinks while the other sites below you have many backlinks - it's just one of the many factors in the ranking equation.
Ultimately, you want a keyword phrase with decent exact and phrase monthly traffic that has relating Amazon products, an available .exact phrase .com domain name and fairly low competition in the search engine rankings. It is a lot of things that all need to come into alignment just right in order to be successful, but I hope you will be able to find these with more confidence after reading this guide.

Once you have found your keyword phrase and domain name, you are ready to create your website. Set up a Wordpress blog on your web hosting account. Create nothing but "pages" for your entire website. Use one of these pages to replace your front page. I like to use this front page as a guide to the various areas of the website. My DogCrateSizes site should give you a pretty good idea of what I am talking about (it's a .com website by that name, by the way).

I realized after reading a lot of people's comments that they are failing at promoting Amazon products because of their poor niche, keyword and domain name selection. If you get these three factors right, I have actually found it difficult to FAIL promoting Amazon products. I put very little effort into marketing my niche product websites and am able to quickly obtain top ten search engine rankings. With a bit of marketing work, I can usually get to #1 within a couple months of starting a new site. I run a lot of different websites and constantly make new ones, so I really don't devote a lot of time to the marketing process. I find that if you put some serious thought and effort into the planning of your website then all of the other pieces will fall into place with ease.

Feel free to let me know if you have any questions or comments.

I hope you have been able to take something useful away from this thread and are able to find a niche market. In the end, you will probably need multiple niche product websites to make a good monthly income, so put the work into the most important aspect - your research. There is nothing worse than spending a lot of time making a website only to never make a single penny with it and I hope you will be able to avoid that situation using this guide.

Ryan
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  • Profile picture of the author getsmartt
    Pretty complete guide you have here, I may send a few of my customers over here to check it out.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Lotter
    You went through a lot of trouble to write that, and it's pretty darn good information. Going to print it out and take some notes. Thanks for the share!
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    • Profile picture of the author TerrieS
      Thank you for such detailed information - very timely and much appreciated!
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      • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
        Your post is greatly appreciated. I'll get this printed so I can reread it offline. Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    I'm really struggling with niche research for some reason. Every time I find something that I think could be decent, I take a look at the top few results and it's already some other IMer at #1, or it's some big authority site like consumerreports, etc.

    Why do you insist on a .com rather than .net/org? Does it really make that big of a difference? I'm finding that it's nearly impossible to find an exact match .net/org, let alone a .com. I've never dug that deeply into the lower amount of monthly search terms, though...

    Your example with "dog crate sizes" goes against all of my instincts, really. I have a site at around #7-10 on Google, keyword has about 3000 searches a month and I'm getting about 750 of those to my site (well, extrapolating my current daily average, anyway). If you're targeting something with such a low number of searches, is it vital to reach #1 in Google? Just looking at your "dog crate sizes" numbers, I would be getting like 2 visitors a day at the bottom of page 1. I'm looking at your site, and the keyword numbers and can't, for the life of me, figure out how it's successful. :confused:

    Ugh, this is tough.
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      First, I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their kind words so far. I'm glad that everyone is finding it useful.


      Originally Posted by mattward View Post

      I'm really struggling with niche research for some reason. Every time I find something that I think could be decent, I take a look at the top few results and it's already some other IMer at #1, or it's some big authority site like consumerreports, etc.

      Why do you insist on a .com rather than .net/org? Does it really make that big of a difference? I'm finding that it's nearly impossible to find an exact match .net/org, let alone a .com. I've never dug that deeply into the lower amount of monthly search terms, though...

      Your example with "dog crate sizes" goes against all of my instincts, really. I have a site at around #7-10 on Google, keyword has about 3000 searches a month and I'm getting about 750 of those to my site (well, extrapolating my current daily average, anyway). If you're targeting something with such a low number of searches, is it vital to reach #1 in Google? Just looking at your "dog crate sizes" numbers, I would be getting like 2 visitors a day at the bottom of page 1. I'm looking at your site, and the keyword numbers and can't, for the life of me, figure out how it's successful. :confused:

      Ugh, this is tough.

      Mattward...
      The dog crate sizes site is a great example. Most people think they need thousands of monthly searches to be successful, but this is simply not the case. The broad phrase gets 4,400 monthly, the phrase gets 880 and the exact phrase gets 590. Most people will look at that and think that they're only going to get a couple of visitors a day. I'm ranked #2 at the moment (at least on google.com). To give you some info on the site, two days ago (something I have sales stats for) I had 51 unique visitors, over 100 page views and 3 sales (about $15 in commission). I was actually getting decent traffic and sales as soon as I hit #10 for my main keyword.

      I have noticed that most people talk about conversion rates of 2-3% (clicks on Amazon ads to sales ratio). Personally, I seem to get 6-12% conversion rates on most of my Amazon sites. The dog crate site converts at 10-12% and higher priced products convert at the lower rates.

      If you're not able to find .net or .org names, then you are looking at numbers that are too high. You'll likely spend days, weeks or more searching for one of those sites and if you find one you could easily end up spending months or more marketing. Don't be afraid to be a bottom-dweller - the money is good down here, lol. You don't have to make hundreds or thousands of dollars every day from each site. My goal is for each site is to make $1/day or better. A decent portion of them make $5-10/day and a few of them make up to $50/day.

      It's not that a .net or .org name is bad, but if you end up in competition with the .com name you will likely always be on the losing end unless the other person is just a poor marketer. Having the .com name just gives you that much more of an edge. I want to have as much natural power on my side as possible so I can start getting rankings and traffic just by writing out 20 pages or so for the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    You've really set my mind going in a completely different direction than I have been. I've honestly spent all day (it's almost 4AM and still am) doing niche research and haven't come up with anything, but if you're doing as well as you say you are with the super micro niche sites, that really seems like it could be a better way to go. It seems like nearly every single keyword above 1000+ exact searches is already saturated with other IMers.

    How much of your traffic on dogcratesizes is from keywords other than "dog crate sizes"? I happened to look up your categories and only one of them was ranking on page 1 (I'm not sure about the specific product pages).
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Originally Posted by mattward View Post

      You've really set my mind going in a completely different direction than I have been. I've honestly spent all day (it's almost 4AM and still am) doing niche research and haven't come up with anything, but if you're doing as well as you say you are with the super micro niche sites, that really seems like it could be a better way to go. It seems like nearly every single keyword above 1000+ exact searches is already saturated with other IMers.

      How much of your traffic on dogcratesizes is from keywords other than "dog crate sizes"? I happened to look up your categories and only one of them was ranking on page 1 (I'm not sure about the specific product pages).
      I don't recall off the top of my head how much of my traffic comes from search engines, but I get about 50% of my search engine traffic from the main keyword phrase. 90% of my search engine traffic is from Google, but I get a trickle of traffic from other search engines.

      My categories are actually a problem at the moment (if you're talking about the various size categories). I think there's a lot more traffic there that I can tap into, but I haven't gotten around to doing it yet. My main problem is that my actual category pages aren't getting ranked because of the content on them (just the tables from the top of each page). I think if I add an article before the listings on those category pages I would start ranking with those pages. Some of the other pages (covers, furniture) were more recent pages I set up but have not marketed yet. I was curious how high they would rank by just writing them on the site. It looks like with a bit of additional work I can get on the top page of those terms as well.

      Although the main keyword phrase is important, I really just use it as a jumping point to many other keyword phrases (which will contain at least a piece of the main keyword phrase). I try to look at the grand scheme when I figure out whether a niche is worthy or not.

      I really wish I could give out some more examples, but I have quite a few sites in niches that still have available domain names and I don't want to give those niches away. I know they would get snatched up in a heartbeat .

      Although I have offered to sell it to some people, my next project (assuming nobody buys it) is going to be to develop a chain of 50+ sites on a particular type of product. Each of the 50 sites is really just to target a single product model. They vary from about 100-500 exact monthly searches, although there is a more general term (half of the domain name) that gets considerably more traffic. I'm still searching for another domain to go with them that will be a central hub for all of the sites (a more general keyword phrase hopefully). Once all of the sites are complete, all of the model sites will link back to the main site and the main site will link out to all of the model sites. I really have some high expectations for this one, even if each site is only able to make $1-5 a day the whole venture should yield a full-time income.
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      • Profile picture of the author warrenonline
        Hi. Thanks for this great thread and all of the information in it, Ryan. I've learned a lot from it and from your responses.

        I just wanted to clarify something a bit on this --

        Originally Posted by phpnetpro View Post

        I really have some high expectations for this one, even if each site is only able to make $1-5 a day the whole venture should yield a full-time income.
        You mentioned there that you're going to be creating 50 sites for this project, and that if they work out, it should yield you a fulltime income. Does that mean that you aren't making a fulltime income currently from just the Amazon sites that you've already done and that you still need to add 50 more before your Amazon portfolio on its own reaches a point of making you a fulltime income?

        Just wanted a bit of clarity on that.

        Thanks again for this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author inlecture
          Originally Posted by waterprism View Post

          Hi. Thanks for this great thread and all of the information in it, Ryan. I've learned a lot from it and from your responses.

          I just wanted to clarify something a bit on this --



          You mentioned there that you're going to be creating 50 sites for this project, and that if they work out, it should yield you a fulltime income. Does that mean that you aren't making a fulltime income currently from just the Amazon sites that you've already done and that you still need to add 50 more before your Amazon portfolio on its own reaches a point of making you a fulltime income?

          Just wanted a bit of clarity on that.

          Thanks again for this thread.
          Dont mean to but in here, but over along the way on this thread (if read start to finish) the author stated a few times that he is involved in multiple steams of internet income, and makes more than a full time income with what he already has.

          The statement of the 50 sites producing a full time income, is in respects to how much money put together they would make in a general (Understandable) terminology.
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          • Profile picture of the author warrenonline
            Originally Posted by inlecture View Post

            Dont mean to but in here, but over along the way on this thread (if read start to finish) the author stated a few times that he is involved in multiple steams of internet income, and makes more than a full time income with what he already has.

            The statement of the 50 sites producing a full time income, is in respects to how much money put together they would make in a general (Understandable) terminology.
            Yes, which is probably why I said

            your Amazon portfolio on its own reaches a point of making you a fulltime income
            Thanks for butting in though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    This thread has been a huge help, thanks a lot.

    I think I may have found my next website already, but I'll have to sleep on it. Maybe when I can see straight it won't seem like such a good idea anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author 0b1
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    Hi there,

    So you create sites for specific models? do you promote only amazon.com products?


    As i recall Amazon commission rate is quite low in comparison to many other affiliate programs.
    EDIT: what sort of category do you target?

    Thanks!

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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Originally Posted by 0b1 View Post

      Hi there,

      So you create sites for specific models? do you promote only amazon.com products?


      As i recall Amazon commission rate is quite low in comparison to many other affiliate programs.
      EDIT: what sort of category do you target?

      Thanks!

      -Brandon

      Hi Brandon,

      For these types of websites, I only promote Amazon products (I do use other Amazon country sites for certain websites). I run other types of websites that use CJ, Clickbank, Adwords, etc.. but my Amazon sites make more money than any of my other websites.

      The commission is low compared with other affiliate programs, but I try not to think about it that way. Most other affiliate programs are for services or digital products where you have a lot less cost involved compared with a physical product. The truth is that most services and digital products are marked up by 100% just to cover the affiliate payments.

      I find that you have to talk people into buying services and digital products, but there are already tons of people searching everybody looking to buy physical products. All you have to do is put yourself in their path, provide them with some useful information and then pass them along to complete the sale.

      Amazon.com starts you off at 4%, but some of the other Amazon countries start you off with more (I think Amazon.co.uk starts at 5%). They all have different rules for moving up in the commission scale, but Amazon.com only requires 7 monthly sales to get bumped to 6%. I found that it was rather easy to move up to that pay scale with just 1 or 2 semi-successful Amazon product sites. At 6%, the commissions are pretty decent if you are promoting products that are $80 or higher (around $5 for a $85 sale).

      Consider how hands-off these websites are to run, I don't mind the low commissions. Sure, it would be nice to be the person selling those products, but you're talking a lot of extra work to be the one providing customer service, payment processing, refunds, shipping, etc. In reality, the people that do all of that to sell physical products probably don't end up making more than 6-10% on the sale themselves, especially once you factor your expenses.

      I do usually take a look at other affiliate programs when I make these sites to see if there is anything worth promoting. I know some people have made sites for CJ.com products. At least for the websites that I've made, CJ.com really didn't have anything good to offer. There were products available but I found that the prices were too high (with a slightly better commission - 8%) or the commission was too low and the prices were still too high. I usually find CJ.com sites to sell their products for the price that is slashed out on Amazon.com. Even if CJ can give a better commission, I want to sell the lower priced product because that's something that the customer will actually buy more often. I would much rather sell a $40 product for a 6%+ commission than the same product for $60 with an 8% commission. I get a 8% commission from Amazon.com currently, although electronics are a set 4% (not really a bad thing, because they are usually high priced - I have one site promoting multi thousand dollar electronics products that gets great commissions).
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  • Profile picture of the author DJ Hughes
    A really great post, Ryan. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gabby12
    Ryan,
    thanks for the detailed info. One question, when you select domains do you choose only keyword and longtail domains (dogcrate.com) or specific brand name domains (ultima1000crate.com) for example?
    Thanks, Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
    I never go after brand name domains. Some people will do it and make money, but I won't risk all of that time and effort on potential legality issues.

    However, I will sometimes target a particular model if I can find a good keyword phrase with traffic. I guarantee this niche is taken, so I'll use it as an example: televisions. Instead of just looking for things like "plasma tv", you can try "50 inch tv".

    This is kinda what I mentioned in one of my previous posts about the network of 50+ sites that each target a model. As long as the model is not some kind of trademark/copyright name, then you should be ok. Something like "medium dog crates" would be good but "life stages dog crates" could be asking for trouble.

    Legally speaking, if you do make a site that uses a trademark or copyright name, the company can contact you and force you to turn over the entire website and domain name to them - free of charge. Just imagine building a site to make $50/day and then having a company contact you and tell you it's theirs now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    Now I'm sort of hopping back and forth between ideas again. Sigh.

    I've found an exact match domain (.com) that had 800 exact searches in November (upward trend) and could easily rank #1, but it's for a specific type of product and wouldn't really make sense to have different types of products on it. Using your example, it would be like "XXLdogcrates.com". There wouldn't really be any sub-category pages that would make sense, other than informational articles. However, there are a lot of similar search keywords for this type of product with the same kind of numbers (~500) but they're really just another way to search for the same product (like, "scubadiving wigets", "recommended scubadiving widgets", "widgets for scubadiving", "underwater diving widgets", etc). Does it even make sense to go after a ton of similar longtail keywords on a single page like that? It wouldn't make any sense to have a bunch of different pages all saying the same thing in a different way.

    I'm finding that there aren't any exact match domains available for the general type of product. There is really only one available, and it has very few searches (250/month exact) and it's not really an optimal keyword. But then there are variety of different keywords that might be possible to go after for the general item ("widgets for golfing", "widgets for skiing", etc). The EMD would have to be a very low searched term. But then there would be probably 10-15 different keywords that could be gone after, although then I'd be going against Amazon/Nextag/etc with a subpage category rather than a domain.

    Any opinions on which scenario would be better?

    Trying to decide whether to go with. I'm not at the point where I can easily grasp/analyze things like this yet. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
    I don't necessarily have a problem with making a website that only targets a specific type of product, although it can be hard to create the content for the website in those situations if there aren't other keywords that you can target within the site.

    For your examples, I would go for the shortest form of the domain name that contains keywords found in other similar keyword phrases. Of your examples, I would go for "scubadiving widgets" because you could make other pages on the site that would target all of those other keywords.

    Of those two scenarios, I would probably go with the first choice that has the higher search volume. When it comes to making the pages for the site, you could even consider keyword phrases that don't contain your domain phrase. These could be phrases that Google might relate to your phrase (ie, phrase is "dog crate sizes" but you make a page for "Midwest iCrate"). If I really find myself lacking in content/keyword choices for a site or if the site will only product a single type of product, then I may end up making it like a review site. This way, you can make a page for all of the various brands of that single product type. When it comes to capturing traffic from brand/trademark keyword phrases, this is the way to do it legally (as long as it's not in your domain name and you're not claiming to be the maker of the product). Look at see how many different keyword phrases you can come up with for that particular site. If you don't think the competition will be tough, then you may be able to go with a site with less than 20 pages and still get ranked high. You can also make numerous pages that target your primary keyword phrase. If there are different aspects that you can talk about, make a page for each one. If you really are limited in information, you can always rehash the same information on multiple pages. Just try to design the site to where people will be less likely to end up viewing more than one of those rehashed pages on a single visit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Key Largo
      Ryan,

      Thought I could write lengthy posts

      Looks like another worthwhile piece to explore, have just downloaded as PDF to read at my leisure.

      I'm trying to recall where I've seen your site come up before, maybe on BTF? It was somewhere interesting.

      Thanks for taking the time to post this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    Thanks again, you've given me a lot to chew on.

    I suppose the main question is if I can rank on the first keyword with a sub-page rather than the exact match domain. I really need to develop a sense for sizing up SEO competition.

    Actually, I guess there's no reason why I couldn't do both ideas. The first EMD would probably rank on page #1 with minimal (if any) backlinking, which would then be a decent indicator if it's worth putting the work into a much more in-depth site.

    Oh, what to do. I'll figure it out eventually. :p
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      Very detailed. Thank you
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    Hi Ryan,

    An exceptional post, thank you.

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  • Profile picture of the author brendan1
    Why do you not advocate the use of the other TLD's, .net and .org?
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Originally Posted by jeffo42 View Post

      Hi Ryan,

      An exceptional post, thank you.

      Neil
      Thanks Neil. Glad you enjoyed it.



      Originally Posted by brendan1 View Post

      Why do you not advocate the use of the other TLD's, .net and .org?

      Brendan,

      It's not that I think the other TLD's are bad, but I don't think they receive as much natural strength as .com domains. I think Google just gives a .com more weight. I used to mess around with some .net domains, but I found myself always coming 2nd to the .com variant unless I put in a lot of work marketing. If the person running the .com is an experienced marketer, it ends up being a never ending battle that the .net is usually on the losing side of.

      I also feel like I get more return traffic with .com's from people remembering my domain name. I tend to see far less of this with a .net site.

      Since I go for somewhat lower traffic phrases than most people, I can usually always find a .com domain if I look around enough. Sure, the .net domains are readily available for phrases that have more traffic, but I'm just not looking for a competition battle. I like going after the niches that don't really know anything about SEO. I always wonder what the competition thinks as my brand new sites fly past them in the rankings.
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    What an incredible post you got here.

    I'll print this out and make this as a quick-reference. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author fortony
    Thank you for posting all of that. You made me realize some errors I was making in checking out the competition!

    Do you have any specific advice one what you have found that works with Amazon sites as far as the type of banners you use, how you lay out your pages etc. or is that beyond this thread?
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Originally Posted by fortony View Post

      Thank you for posting all of that. You made me realize some errors I was making in checking out the competition!

      Do you have any specific advice one what you have found that works with Amazon sites as far as the type of banners you use, how you lay out your pages etc. or is that beyond this thread?

      Hi Fortony,

      I have seen other people say that they get better results just using text links for their Amazon products. I have not personally seen a website that uses text only links, so I can't really comment on how well/poorly that works.

      I have tried a few different approaches with various sites of mine, but I really wouldn't say that one works better than others. Take the dog crate site, for example. I went with the standard small rectangle widget that shows a pic, name and price for the product. Since I've done some price comparison on the site, I feel like that particular method works well for that site. When someone goes to one of the page categories for the various sizes, they'll be able to look down the list and quickly see the prices.

      I think people that use the text links probably have higher click-thru rates, but I often hear of them getting 2-3% conversion rates. I don't really track my click-thru rates because it's not important to me (as long as clicks/sales are indeed coming in), but I do know that I get 10-12% conversion rates on the dog crate site. I think this is because people actually click it knowing that it's going to sell them something. When you put out a text link, half the people that click it probably don't realize what they are clicking (which results in the low conversion rates).

      Two of the product websites that I've made since I made the dog crate site (my November projects) have used the new tooltip widget that Amazon recently made available. With this option, you set up an image link or a text link for a product. When someone hovers their mouse over the link, they get an Amazon box that shows info for the item. I've actually been using both an image and a text link for each product to create my own product box that I show at the bottom of pages. This tactic seems to be working out pretty well for me so far - both of those brand new Amazon sites have already made sales with 6-10% conversion rates.

      I would share one of those sites with you guys, but I'm not finished with the niche yet and I know my plans would be ruined by sharing. One of the sites is a product that was just released this year and the keyword phrase is quickly gaining popularity. There's tons of untapped domains and keywords for the niche. I've only seen a few articles out there trying to promote this new product, so I've rather been enjoying the lack of competition .

      The best advice that I can give is to put yourself in the customer's shoes. Figure out what they are looking for when they search your keyword phrase or when they come to your website. Try to identify their problem, help them solve it and then pass them along to a recommended product choice. That's exactly what the dog crate site does and one of the biggest reasons it's so successful.
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      • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
        This is what I love about this business. You can invest a few bucks in a domain name and hosting and put up a website. In a few weeks if done right you can have a valuable property.

        @phpnetpro Your dogcratesizes site looks awesome. Fantastic job and how cool if you flip that site you made in October 2010 for $3,000 plus!

        Just love the potential and possibilities in the online world of internet marketing.
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        • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
          Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

          This is what I love about this business. You can invest a few bucks in a domain name and hosting and put up a website. In a few weeks if done right you can have a valuable property.

          @phpnetpro Your dogcratesizes site looks awesome. Fantastic job and how cool if you flip that site you made in October 2010 for $3,000 plus!

          Just love the potential and possibilities in the online world of internet marketing.

          Thanks for your comments LilBlackDress, although you certainly make it sound easier than it really was . I don't want to give anyone the impression that it's a piece of cake to just throw up a site like this. There's a decent amount of custom programming work to make the site work how it does. My objective in making the site wasn't to turn around and flip it, but I have had some people ask how much I would sell it for so I figured I would make a public offer. I really think I'm giving this site away for a great price. I already have some other great Amazon sites and I expect this site to be one of my top Amazon sites in 2011 (unless someone else gets it). Ultimately, it won't kill me to lose a good property for a fair price and I'm sure it would really help someone else to gain it.


          Other people really don't have to go to the extremes that I do with my websites though. I've been programming websites for over 15 years, so I like to make every single site of mine to work exactly how I want it to. I will also do custom programming to my own sites to save myself time, work and/or maintenance. On the dog crate site, I use an advertising manager plugin to store the Amazon ads for the site. However, on the actual pages, I use some custom php code to call a php file that generates the layout the information found in the colored tables at the top of all of the crate product pages (or on the size category pages). This allows me to go to this php file and easily make changes that will get reflected on every single page on my site.

          I've even gone another step further with some of my other sites that have tons of Amazon ads, especially if it involves products from different Amazon country sites. There is a plugin that will show people ads from various Amazon country sites, but I needed something with more customization for one particular site. This particular site (which I can't name, sorry - an untapped niche of mine still) promotes an electronics product. Not every model of these products are the same in other countries. So, I built a php file that stores the information for all of my Amazon ads - this file just stores the Amazon product ID, anchor text for the ad link and an image url for a saved image of the product on my local server. I then used a country plugin for Wordpress that lets you filter post/page content based on the visitor's country. I add filtering code to each page that has advertising to detect the visitor's country and store it to a php variable. This variable is then passed along to another php file that pulls the needed product information and displays it to the user. This 2nd php file has templates set up for the Amazon ad code from each country site. It also adds some of my own styling to the ad and then spits it all out to the user. Now, if I want to change ads or the way they are output, I only have to edit one spot instead of hundreds.



          I also thought that some of you might be interested in some more keyword information to give you an idea of what sort of keywords you'll be able to get rankings for (besides your primary keyword phrase). In it's short lifespan so far, the dog crate site has a number of other top ten rankings and quite a few more top twenty. Some of the top ten rankings besides the primary keyword phrase are: dog sizes, dog crates sizes, dog crate dimensions, dog crate size guide, dog crate size chart, large dog crate dimensions.
          A number of decent phrase rankings keep bouncing between the top of page 2 and bottom of page 2 like: dog sizes, xxl dog crate, dog crate size, medium size dog crate, midwest life stages.
          These aren't complete lists (just impressions from a single day), but they should give you a good idea how easily you can get traffic from other keywords besides your primary keyword phrase.
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      • Profile picture of the author thegreatnapi
        Originally Posted by phpnetpro View Post

        Hi Fortony,

        I have seen other people say that they get better results just using text links for their Amazon products. I have not personally seen a website that uses text only links, so I can't really comment on how well/poorly that works.

        I have tried a few different approaches with various sites of mine, but I really wouldn't say that one works better than others. Take the dog crate site, for example. I went with the standard small rectangle widget that shows a pic, name and price for the product. Since I've done some price comparison on the site, I feel like that particular method works well for that site. When someone goes to one of the page categories for the various sizes, they'll be able to look down the list and quickly see the prices.

        I think people that use the text links probably have higher click-thru rates, but I often hear of them getting 2-3% conversion rates. I don't really track my click-thru rates because it's not important to me (as long as clicks/sales are indeed coming in), but I do know that I get 10-12% conversion rates on the dog crate site. I think this is because people actually click it knowing that it's going to sell them something. When you put out a text link, half the people that click it probably don't realize what they are clicking (which results in the low conversion rates).

        Two of the product websites that I've made since I made the dog crate site (my November projects) have used the new tooltip widget that Amazon recently made available. With this option, you set up an image link or a text link for a product. When someone hovers their mouse over the link, they get an Amazon box that shows info for the item. I've actually been using both an image and a text link for each product to create my own product box that I show at the bottom of pages. This tactic seems to be working out pretty well for me so far - both of those brand new Amazon sites have already made sales with 6-10% conversion rates.

        I would share one of those sites with you guys, but I'm not finished with the niche yet and I know my plans would be ruined by sharing. One of the sites is a product that was just released this year and the keyword phrase is quickly gaining popularity. There's tons of untapped domains and keywords for the niche. I've only seen a few articles out there trying to promote this new product, so I've rather been enjoying the lack of competition .

        The best advice that I can give is to put yourself in the customer's shoes. Figure out what they are looking for when they search your keyword phrase or when they come to your website. Try to identify their problem, help them solve it and then pass them along to a recommended product choice. That's exactly what the dog crate site does and one of the biggest reasons it's so successful.

        Hi Ryan, Many thanks for this thread. This is very very helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author sharpturn
    Ryan,

    This is great information. I am just starting into doing some niche research in preperation for next year and this thread has popped up just in time.

    The downloading of the CSV file from Google was total news to me. Great idea and makes a ton of sense.

    Your approach is to build a strong site foundation with well researched niches, keywords, domain names, etc and then allow the site to grow with minimal work. Good stuff.

    Anyway, I have a question:

    When I choose an exact domain .com name can I use the Hyphens (- _) to seperate the words if a whole phrase match is not available?

    Do you think doing so will effect the rankings of the site?

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Originally Posted by sharpturn View Post

      Ryan,

      This is great information. I am just starting into doing some niche research in preperation for next year and this thread has popped up just in time.

      The downloading of the CSV file from Google was total news to me. Great idea and makes a ton of sense.

      Your approach is to build a strong site foundation with well researched niches, keywords, domain names, etc and then allow the site to grow with minimal work. Good stuff.

      Anyway, I have a question:

      When I choose an exact domain .com name can I use the Hyphens (- _) to seperate the words if a whole phrase match is not available?

      Do you think doing so will effect the rankings of the site?

      Cheers,

      Andy

      Hi Andy,
      I don't ever register domains with hyphens to use for this type of website, although I can't say that I would never consider it. Similar to the way .net and .org domain names don't have quite as much strength as a .com, the .com name with a hyphen will have less strength compared to the same .com without the hyphen.

      It's not that I think hyphen names, .net or .org are bad, it's just that I find they require more work to get the same rankings with the premium domain choice.

      I would consider registering a hyphen name in certain situations, although I rarely ever come across these. If I really, really want to go after a certain niche or keyword phrase and it's simply not available, I may consider it if a few things are true. If the premium domain is being sold for an absurd amount of money instead of being used, I'll think about it because I won't have to compete with that site (most likely, or at least I should have my foot in the door first). If the keyword phrase gets a lot of exact search traffic and the competition looks reasonable, that would help as well. If the premium domain name and/or non-hyphenated .net or .org versions rank in the top ten, I won't even consider it. Again, I just don't want to spend too much time competing with other sites for my rankings. I just like to blow past them and move on to the next site.
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  • Profile picture of the author zigstonk
    phpnetpro - I saw your "need niche research" link in your signature, took advantage of your offer, and must say - I am extremely pleased with your results. Saved me hours of research time alone. And the research certainly demonstrates your expertise. I even double-checked your findings via Google and other tools - and they are "on the mark," including:

    - Traffic Estimates
    - Google Insights
    - Competition
    - Suggested products and other related products
    - and more...

    For anyone reading this - I'm in no way associated with phpnetpro. Found this thread last night. Signed up for his niche research (VERY reasonble price). Had results by this morning.

    I'll definitely use this service again.

    P.S. - The info you've shared in this thread was already impressive...many thanks for all!
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  • Hi Ryan .
    Interesting and very detailed thanks for that,but I have question?
    how I can accelerate the process of indexing in the SEO Google, yahoo,etc ,you pay a lot money in Adwords ? this domain was created in 15 October 2010 and
    in less than two months and are in the air and well positioned,
    Some tricks are welcome.
    Thanks
    Jorge
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Originally Posted by zigstonk View Post

      phpnetpro - I saw your "need niche research" link in your signature, took advantage of your offer, and must say - I am extremely pleased with your results. Saved me hours of research time alone. And the research certainly demonstrates your expertise. I even double-checked your findings via Google and other tools - and they are "on the mark," including:

      - Traffic Estimates
      - Google Insights
      - Competition
      - Suggested products and other related products
      - and more...

      For anyone reading this - I'm in no way associated with phpnetpro. Found this thread last night. Signed up for his niche research (VERY reasonble price). Had results by this morning.

      I'll definitely use this service again.

      P.S. - The info you've shared in this thread was already impressive...many thanks for all!
      Wow zigstonk,

      Thank you so much for that review. I am glad that you were pleased with the results. I don't hold anything back when I do research or work for others - I just treat it like doing work for myself (and I'm kinda picky about quality).

      I don't really pull myself away from my own projects too often to do work for others, but I truly enjoy helping others get a good business running.


      Originally Posted by internica@gmail.com View Post

      Hi Ryan .
      Interesting and very detailed thanks for that,but I have question?
      how I can accelerate the process of indexing in the SEO Google, yahoo,etc ,you pay a lot money in Adwords ? this domain was created in 15 October 2010 and
      in less than two months and are in the air and well positioned,
      Some tricks are welcome.
      Thanks
      Jorge

      Hi Jorge,
      There's really not one single trick to speeding up this process. I have just adopted a method of research, niche selection, site design and marketing that uses a decent combination of some of the most important factors.

      A decent portion of my initial post details the important initial steps that help to build a good foundation for everything that follows.

      I get the feeling that I may end up writing the details on the entire process of making one of these sites, lol. Oh well, I'll just turn this thread into an ebook when I'm done.

      I think the way that I set up a new site is a crucial detail to getting rankings. Every single Amazon product site I run is based on a Wordpress installation (self-hosted Wordpress sites). I really believe that Google may identify sites as being a Wordpress site and give it some sort of benefits. This is really just speculation, although my Wordpress sites have been indexed considerably faster than some of my previous sites before I used Wordpress. I don't necessarily think that Google gives any kind of extra weight to Wordpress sites, but I have considered the possibility that Google has a faster crawl rate for Wordpress sites and likely other blogs as well. Again, this could just be speculation as well. I don't claim to know the secrets of Google - I just know what I have been able to do over and over again that consistently works.

      I always use a particular list of update services for each of my Wordpress sites. I could probably take the time to add or remove some from this list, especially for particular websites, but I keep pasting it into each of my new sites. Sometimes if I know something isn't broken, I just don't want to mess with it.

      Update services are sites that accept pings from Wordpress and other sites about new content. To be 100% honest, I've never even visited a single site on this list I'm about to give you. However, this is a list I've put together from a combination of partial lists I've had shared with me over the past couple of years. I have gone through and removed/added some over time, but there could very well be a site in this list that isn't even running anymore.

      To edit/add update services to a Wordpress blog, go to Settings->Writing within your admin area. Scroll to the bottom of the page and you'll see a text box under the heading 'Update Services'. If you want, feel free to just paste this list of update services into your site. Whenever you post new content or update existing content on your site, these sites will be pinged to let them know. I think this is another reason that the Wordpress sites get indexed so quickly. I would imagine Google crawls through those ping services and finds my sites that way. Google always has me indexed before I get around to submitting my own site to be indexed or publishing a backlink. I remember the days when it wasn't quite so easy and you had to sit around and wait 6+ weeks for your site to get indexed... ah the good 'ole days.

      My Update Services List
      Code:
      http://api.feedster.com/ping
      http://api.moreover.com/RPC2
      http://api.my.yahoo.com/RPC2
      http://bblog.com/ping.php
      http://blogsearch.google.com/ping/RPC2
      http://bulkfeeds.net/rpc
      http://rpc.blogrolling.com/pinger/
      http://rpc.technorati.com/rpc/ping
      http://geourl.org/ping
      http://ipings.com
      http://ping.feedburner.com
      http://ping.syndic8.com/xmlrpc.php
      http://ping.bloggers.jp/rpc/
      http://ping.blo.gs/
      http://ping.weblogalot.com/rpc.php
      http://rpc.pingomatic.com/
      http://rpc.weblogs.com/RPC2
      http://topicexchange.com/RPC2
      http://www.blogpeople.net/servlet/weblogUpdates
      http://www.blogdigger.com/RPC2
      http://www.blogshares.com/rpc.php
      http://www.blogsnow.com/ping
      http://www.blogstreet.com/xrbin/xmlrpc.cgi
      http://www.newsisfree.com/xmlrpctest.php
      http://www.pingerati.net
      http://www.pingmyblog.com
      http://www.feedsubmitter.com
      http://xping.pubsub.com/ping
      Beyond that, it's really just about website content, optimizing your pages for particular keywords and building backlinks to bump them up the rankings. You can also build more pages to add some power to your site. Some people will set up a site that only has a couple of pages and then spend tons of effort building backlinks/writing articles. I try to have at least 20 pages on each of my sites. If my competition looks more difficult, I may easily boost that up to 100+ before I ever build a single backlink. I write all of my content myself. I don't outsource any work that I do. A lot of people like to rush through content creation and use poor quality articles or even republished articles from other sources. Ultimately, a site loaded with poor content like that is going to have a difficult time getting good rankings for keywords with decent traffic. I can tell the search engines favor the original content over rehashed content and so do the website visitors.

      I am actually in the process of building another niche product website and recording the entire thing. I'm going to put together a series of video tutorials that will walk people through every step that I take. When they're done, you'll see there's really no magic tricks. It's just about learning what works and what doesn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    "Thanks for your comments LilBlackDress, although you certainly make it sound easier than it really was . I don't want to give anyone the impression that it's a piece of cake to just throw up a site like this."

    Believe me, I have a lot of sites that are super nice. I know how much time it takes to do a great site.

    But where else can you invest such a little bit of cash and your time and get such a great return?

    Working online rocks!

    What are you doing to drive traffic to your sites? Sorry if you covered that and I missed it.
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  • Profile picture of the author sharpturn
    Hi Ryan,

    I also just signed up for your Niche Product Research offer. I am now going to patiently look forward to receiving your work.

    I will post a little review about it in this thread once I have gone through everything.

    Thanks

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    Wow.. Great content!! Its been interesting reading the original post and the comments have made Ryan go into much more detail

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  • Profile picture of the author Pradeep Bhagwat
    Originally Posted by phpnetpro View Post

    nce you have found your keyword phrase and domain name, you are ready to create your website. Set up a Wordpress blog on your web hosting account. Create nothing but "pages" for your entire website. Use one of these pages to replace your front page. I like to use this front page as a guide to the various areas of the website. My DogCrateSizes site should give you a pretty good idea of what I am talking about (it's a .com website by that name, by the way).

    Ryan
    Thanks for this very informative thread. I have one question as you said just create pages. Please elaborate it little more. If we create pages it appears like navigation horizontal bar. How to creat your style pages and displya like posts?

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      Lots of catch up on post comments. I've replied to everyone below:

      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      "Thanks for your comments LilBlackDress, although you certainly make it sound easier than it really was . I don't want to give anyone the impression that it's a piece of cake to just throw up a site like this."

      Believe me, I have a lot of sites that are super nice. I know how much time it takes to do a great site.

      But where else can you invest such a little bit of cash and your time and get such a great return?

      Working online rocks!

      What are you doing to drive traffic to your sites? Sorry if you covered that and I missed it.
      I indeed agree with you. I just know that there will be some beginners that read this post and I wanted to be sure they're aware that it does take a lot of dedication and hard work to pull off a site like this in a short amount of time.

      I completely agree with the return on investment. I've always loved developing sites, although I'm usually not out to sell them. I suffer from something that some of the "successful" internet marketers would consider a huge problem: I have a conscience. No matter how successful I have been able to make a site in the past, I have always held back from selling them because I didn't want to sell somebody a website that wouldn't continue to be successful. Although I do think this would be a great property to add to my "collection", I'm confident enough in it's future ability to actually consider selling it to someone. My asking price is probably nothing compared to what the site will make in it's lifetime. I will likely kick myself for selling it one day, but I will be happy to help someone else succeed.

      Working online does indeed rock! LOL

      I started making monthly money online when I was a young teenager. I'm pushing 30 now (maybe you can see my gray hair in my pic, lol). Some people could consider me to be too young to know as much as I do, but I've been around twice as long as most of those people. I've seen the internet go through so many changes, it's not even funny. My Commission Junction account is actually an original DoubleClick account, where I made my first dollar online and bought myself a new Mustang convertible as a teenager! Working online gives me the freedom to spend my life with my wife and kids instead of being a drone at a real job. I can't imagine having to do anything else. Yes, I have worked a real job on and off for 11 years where I worked my way into management. I even did it for quite a while making great money online, but I eventually just had to tell them sorry and let it go. I think my conscience kept me at that job many years more than I should have stayed, simply because I had invested a lot of my time and energy into helping that company grow. My boss there was even the best man at my wedding.

      I really just do SEO to drive traffic to my sites. When I do backlink building, some of that results in traffic coming to the sites, but more often than not it is nothing compared to the Google traffic. I'll publish a few articles on ezine for some of the sites that I launch. I'm also a fan of building Squidoo lenses because you can put in a targeted backlink for 9 pages on your site. I'll also build some networks of Squidoo lenses for higher competition markets. One lens with the best keyword phrase gets designated as the primary lens and others are built to give that one power. The primary then links to my site. I'll also build other backlinks to the main lens or sometimes even the secondary lenses. I always Digg and StumbleUpon articles, lenses and especially the pages on my websites. Other than that, I really don't do too much to drive traffic. Sometimes, I won't even do half of that for lower competition markets. I didn't need to do too much for the dog crate site to get to where I'm at.

      Originally Posted by sharpturn View Post

      Hi Ryan,

      I also just signed up for your Niche Product Research offer. I am now going to patiently look forward to receiving your work.

      I will post a little review about it in this thread once I have gone through everything.

      Thanks

      Andy
      Hi Andy,

      Thank you very much. I found an interesting niche for you and emailed the details to you already. I've love to hear back again when you get the site running to see what people make of my research.

      Thanks again - Ryan

      Originally Posted by Andy Medlam View Post

      Wow.. Great content!! Its been interesting reading the original post and the comments have made Ryan go into much more detail

      - Andy
      Hello Andy #2 (maybe even #3 on the thread),

      Thank you very much for your comment. I'm planning on keeping up with this thread and will continue to answer questions for people as they arise.

      Originally Posted by bhagwat68 View Post

      Thanks for this very informative thread. I have one question as you said just create pages. Please elaborate it little more. If we create pages it appears like navigation horizontal bar. How to creat your style pages and displya like posts?

      - Pradeep
      Hi Pradeep,

      This is a good point to elaborate on because there is a bit more to it. My exact strategy will depend on the theme that I'm using for the site. If a theme offers the option of excluding pages from menus, I will use those options to prevent most of the pages from showing up in the main horizontal bar. Otherwise, I will download a plugin for excluding pages from menus. I have had a few themes that I ended up recoding the menu display because the plugins wouldn't work with the theme, but this isn't the norm. Then, I will build custom menus through Wordpress to add the other pages to the sidebar as widgets. Once the site is ready, most future pages I create go into a specific sidebar menu so I just set that menu to auto add new top level pages and exclude it from the main nav bar.

      I did not actually build the dog crate site using all pages because I wanted to group the crates into size categories, plus I have planned further expansion of the site that could add more pages to those categories and likely create new categories as well. However, more simple websites that cover less products or fewer categories will get the standard all-page treatment.


      Originally Posted by Andrew_Cheyne View Post

      Awesome Guide,

      I think this is fantastic....

      Hi Andrew,

      Thank you for your kind words. I am glad that so many people are able learn something from my thread. I usually see the successful people around here being very vague with their comments. People get excited about doing the same thing they do but really don't know how to do it. I wanted to give something to the forum members that they can actually use. I feel like there are enough Amazon niche markets to share this information and not destroy it's profitability, especially since not everybody is interested in making these types of websites.
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    For anyone seeking out more info, Make Money on the Internet has a lot of great information on becoming an Amazon affiliate. Chris Guthrie sold over $1,000,000 in Amazon products last year if I remember correctly, so the guy knows his stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author sharpturn
    Ryan,

    Thank you for the very speedy response to my
    purchase of your Product Niche Research offer.

    I was very surprised with the niche you had chosen for me.
    I would never had thought of it!
    Outside the box , yet very possible to make some money from it.

    This will help me to look at niche and keyword research at a different
    angle.

    I am going to get started on building a site now.

    Also, thank you for the extra keyword you threw in....for free! I very much appreciate it.

    Your explanations of the keywords and how you went about finding them has
    helped me to understand keyword research that much better.

    Great service.
    Thanks again.

    Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Vikaz
    Ryan,

    Thanks for the very informative post. I can see a wealth of information in there.

    Your time and effort in writing in such detail is definitely appreciated.

    Most Internet Marketers I know stay away from Amazon because of the perception of low commission rates compared to digital networks like clickbank. But, your explanation is very logical and should encourage more of us to setup niche income streams using Amazon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe2
      Do you ever expand your niche sites to Authority Sites and use the niches within a particular subject as categories on a WP platform?
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  • Profile picture of the author CaesarSEO
    Definitely what I needed, you could have made an WSO on this.

    Thank you so much.

    Just a quick question if I'm not rude, how much do you roughly earn on amazon per month?

    You said that you almost did no SEO for this dogcratesizes.com site, but I fount out that you have 1000 links pointing at that site, most from fireboss.net.

    And 1000 links doesn't look like an easy thing...

    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Originally Posted by ca3s4r View Post

      Definitely what I needed, you could have made an WSO on this.

      Thank you so much.

      Just a quick question if I'm not rude, how much do you roughly earn on amazon per month?

      You said that you almost did no SEO for this dogcratesizes.com site, but I fount out that you have 1000 links pointing at that site, most from fireboss.net.

      And 1000 links doesn't look like an easy thing...

      Thank you

      I'm sure I probably could have made a WSO with this, but I would want to offer more value than just finding the niche to sell it. I am currently working on a Wordpress plugin that will let everyone make advertisement displays similar to the dog crate site, but with a bunch of options to customize the information and the look of the display. I'll be releasing this plugin as a WSO and will be sure to make a post here when it's available.

      I make $10.4 billion dollars each month on Amazon... no really, I'm not going to answer that question, LOL. I make enough. I don't work, if that helps

      I really didn't do much SEO for the site. I think I published a single article and a single lens. As for all of the links, that wasn't work or effort. They are sidebar links on 2 entire domain names and honestly, I don't think they did much good because they aren't on relational pages.

      You're welcome.


      Originally Posted by Look4VGames View Post

      i have absolutely no clue how your making money on that dog crate selling website, i cant even find a buy link to check out and product and half the pictures have errors..

      There's a chance you may have seen the site when it was being moved because there aren't any errors. There aren't buy links on the main page. It's actually designed to look like a bit of an informational site instead of shoving buy links in your face. It might be hard to believe, but sites like this actually make more sales.
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      • Profile picture of the author CaesarSEO
        Originally Posted by phpnetpro View Post

        I really didn't do much SEO for the site. I think I published a single article and a single lens. As for all of the links, that wasn't work or effort. They are sidebar links on 2 entire domain names and honestly, I don't think they did much good because they aren't on relational pages.

        are those 2 eitnrei domains yours? or did you pay them to put a dogcratesize site ad on? thanks
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    Thank you for such detailed information
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  • Profile picture of the author Look4VGames
    i have absolutely no clue how your making money on that dog crate selling website, i cant even find a buy link to check out and product and half the pictures have errors..
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    • Profile picture of the author srik12
      This thread is of huge help to a newbie like me.
      Thanks for all the help fellas.
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      Brilliant post! (and thread)

      Thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ellen C Braun
    Thanks, Ryan, for this detailed info.

    I have a question about the importance of the domain name, and I'm wondering if anyone ever tested this:

    Let's say I have a site called HappyProductReviews.com and I find products to promote, and I create pages such as happyproductreviews.com/50-inch-television

    Would that url ( http://happyproductreviews.com/50-inch-television in this case) rank significantly behind the exact match url ( http://50-inch-television)?

    The other factor is that as I build backlinks to pages on happyproductreviews.com, I am improving my SE ranking for ALL of my niches, as they are ALL somewhere on that domain, and Google does look at how many backlinks point to your entire domain. Thus, when I work on my 50 inch TV pages, I am also helping my Blue Widget pages, because I'm building more links to the domain.

    I'm not trying to compete with Amazon- I'll have just a few handfuls of niches on HappyProductReviews.com, but I'm wondering what kind of testing has been done using this strategy rather than individual domains?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author rampage
    Thanks, Ryan, for sharing so much detail here and you have certainly made it an easier path ahead for us newbies.

    On a separate note, I was visiting your dogcratesizes web site and have discovered to my amazement that the 3 clickbank hoplinks at the bottom of the page was for fortony whom I've seen earlier on this thread. Just curious

    Thanks again.
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Originally Posted by ca3s4r View Post

      are those 2 eitnrei domains yours? or did you pay them to put a dogcratesize site ad on? thanks
      My domains.


      Originally Posted by Ellen C Braun View Post

      Thanks, Ryan, for this detailed info.

      I have a question about the importance of the domain name, and I'm wondering if anyone ever tested this:

      Let's say I have a site called HappyProductReviews.com and I find products to promote, and I create pages such as happyproductreviews.com/50-inch-television

      Would that url ( http://happyproductreviews.com/50-inch-television in this case) rank significantly behind the exact match url ( http://50-inch-television)?

      The other factor is that as I build backlinks to pages on happyproductreviews.com, I am improving my SE ranking for ALL of my niches, as they are ALL somewhere on that domain, and Google does look at how many backlinks point to your entire domain. Thus, when I work on my 50 inch TV pages, I am also helping my Blue Widget pages, because I'm building more links to the domain.

      I'm not trying to compete with Amazon- I'll have just a few handfuls of niches on HappyProductReviews.com, but I'm wondering what kind of testing has been done using this strategy rather than individual domains?

      Thanks

      To a certain extent, you are correct as far as building backlink power. However, by spreading yourself thin you will have to put more effort into each of those specific areas. It won't be enough to simply build one page to target each niche.

      When you build a site like I've recommended, Google sees that your site isn't about anything else. It is completely possible to rank for keywords that have nothing to do with your domain name or to build sites that rank for multiple niches, but it will take a lot more work.

      My objective is to build fairly small, simple sites that get results very fast and then I move on to the next site.

      I do believe your page would rank significantly behind the domain name, unless you built a complete site behind that page and built a lot of backlinks to that specific page with targeted anchor text.

      Originally Posted by rampage View Post

      Thanks, Ryan, for sharing so much detail here and you have certainly made it an easier path ahead for us newbies.

      On a separate note, I was visiting your dogcratesizes web site and have discovered to my amazement that the 3 clickbank hoplinks at the bottom of the page was for fortony whom I've seen earlier on this thread. Just curious

      Thanks again.

      You're quite welcome rampage.

      I don't own the site anymore, so they're not my links anymore
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      • Profile picture of the author stonewall13
        Hey Ryan thanks for the info, just to clarify how many visitors per day would you need to make one sale, and how many per month. You said about 400 for exact match that's only 13 per day. I guess what I'm getting at is whats the minimum visitors per day I should target in order to continue with a certain niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmidwest
    phpnetpro - thank you for the great information. I'll have to read a few times to get all the detail.
    I didn't realize there are so much work involve in selecting a niche.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    Hi phpnetpro,

    Thanks for this excellent post. I did have a question about keywords, you stated that with the main keyword you bare minimum want it to get 200 searches but what would be the bare minimum for the other keywords you target?

    Moreover, with the other keywords, do you analyze the competition in the top 20 for those other keywords?
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    Very informative guide.
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    Hi phpnetpro,

    I have 2 more questions for you:

    1. Is you dogcratesizes.com site going through the "Google Dance" because I don't see it ranking in the top 20 for any of the keywords you mentioned?

    2. This might be a bit personal but do you ever run into any cash flow problems as a result of Amazon paying you every 60 days?
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Since I have quite a few replies to respond to, I just wanted to say thank you to everybody that wrote to show their appreciation for the thread. I am very glad that so many of you were able to find it useful.

      Originally Posted by stonewall13 View Post

      Hey Ryan thanks for the info, just to clarify how many visitors per day would you need to make one sale, and how many per month. You said about 400 for exact match that's only 13 per day. I guess what I'm getting at is whats the minimum visitors per day I should target in order to continue with a certain niche.
      It really varies quite a bit. Sometimes I will get a sale after 20-40 visitors and other times it may take 100.

      The actual traffic available from that primary keyword phrase is really just the tip of the iceberg. Once you build a bunch of pages on your site, you'll start ranking for many other keyword phrases to bring in extra traffic. This is why I am not too concerned about the exact traffic numbers that my primary keyword phrase can offer, as long as there's going to be other keyword phrases that I can rank for.


      Originally Posted by Terry Gorry View Post

      Ryan
      this is some excellent information you have provided.

      How many sites have you in total?

      What is your site build rate?

      I think somewhere else you posted that you could create a 20 page site in 4 days?

      Terry
      P.S. I downloaded your book too and it is excellent..especially for US citizens.
      Hi Terry,

      I don't just run Amazon sites, I have a decent variety of websites that sell my own products, Clickbank products, CJ.com services, etc. All together, I have over 100 websites and I make some kind of monthly money from about 80% of those.

      I can make a new 20 page Amazon site in about 4 days, but I really don't continuously pump out new sites at that rate. I generally spend half of my day responding to emails and maintaining my sites. Then the other half of my day is devoted to development. It could be development of a new Amazon site or something entirely different.

      Right now, I haven't started a new Amazon site this month because I've been spending my development time making my Wordpress plugin that I'll hopefully be releasing in the next week or two. However, I do have a load of new domain names that are just waiting for me to develop them .

      Even though I can build a site in 4 days, I really never completely finish. I almost always go back to my Amazon sites to add more pages. I do this to target more keywords, increase traffic, give visitors more value or to help boost my primary keyword ranking higher.

      I'm glad you found my ebook useful. I debate how many people have found it useful and was actually considering replacing it with an ebook made from this thread, but that's not something I'll be doing right away and will likely still offer the existing ebook once that happens.

      I'm glad you found my info so useful.

      Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

      Hi phpnetpro,

      Thanks for this excellent post. I did have a question about keywords, you stated that with the main keyword you bare minimum want it to get 200 searches but what would be the bare minimum for the other keywords you target?

      Moreover, with the other keywords, do you analyze the competition in the top 20 for those other keywords?
      Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

      Hi phpnetpro,

      I have 2 more questions for you:

      1. Is you dogcratesizes.com site going through the "Google Dance" because I don't see it ranking in the top 20 for any of the keywords you mentioned?

      2. This might be a bit personal but do you ever run into any cash flow problems as a result of Amazon paying you every 60 days?

      Hi Brittany,

      I believe I answered these questions by email already, but I'll post a brief reply here for others that might have the same questions.

      I really don't have strict traffic requirements for the keywords that I target, but I generally won't go out of my way to create a page for a keyword phrase with less than 100 monthly searches. To a certain extent, this is why it is so easy to get a bunch of traffic to these websites with just a bit of work. The IM community seems to love to have all kinds of number limits that apply to everything. If you stick to a bunch of number limits and don't have a lot of success, try straying above/below the limit just a bit and see if you get different results. I used to go for the big numbers when I started marketing 15+ years ago and I never made a penny. When I started going for the phrases that nobody else wanted, the traffic and money started rolling in and never stopped.

      I do think the dog crate site is going through a bit of a dance. It could be because of a number of different reasons. The site is new, it received a lot of backlinks, it recently had some changes and it recently changed DNS. It could be any of those reasons or a combination of all of them. It may also have to do with the extreme publicity that the site received as a result of this thread. When a lot of people start searching for something in particular, I'm sure Google notices these abnormal results and may dance a site as a result. Regardless, I'm confident that the dog crate site will hold strong with it's rankings. Some people get worried about the Google dance, but I don't fear it. In fact, I just see it as a sign that I've made killer progress in a short amount of time. Unless the site gets de-indexed from Google while it is "dancing", I don't worry because it always comes back.

      Just since Brittany wrote that post a few days ago, the site is back. It's also the #1 site for "dog crate sizes" now (also hit #1 for a couple of days before it started dancing).

      Amazon pays monthly, they just pay 60 days after the end of a month that you topped your set payout amount. Others have asked, so I wanted to mention that I really don't like to get into specific money numbers for a few reasons. Most importantly, it seems like everything in IM these days revolves around money. All of the big selling products are showing you a screenshot of their earnings. To be honest, I think 99% of them are scams and would never put any faith in a screenshot like that. So, I try to set myself apart from the crowd by not using money as a hype. Sure, I'll say you can make it, but I am not going to give you the false illusion that you will start doing the same thing I'm doing and start making the same kind of money I make. The easiest way to do this is to not give a number, because no matter what you say some people will just jump straight to the number and remain fixated on it. I've been making a full-time income online for over 15 years, so you won't be able to make what I make right away. I also dabble in a lot of other things besides Amazon sites, so it's really just a portion of my income, but percentage based it is my biggest revenue source. To keep it short and simple, I make a lot.


      Thanks again everyone for your enormous show of support on this thread. I did expect a decent number of people to find the information useful, but I really didn't expect the kind of response that I've received. It's been a bit over two weeks since I created this thread and it still seems to be going almost as strong as it started. For that, I wanted to say thank you because it feels great to receive that kind of recognition when you put a lot of time and effort into something like this. It will definitely make me consider making more posts like this in the future and it has already convinced me to produce an Amazon Wordpress plugin for you guys based on the dog crate site and some requests from readers of this thread.

      I'll still be dropping by this thread to post replies if anybody else has more questions for me.

      Ryan
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    Very informative. I've motivated to start amazon affiliate.
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  • Profile picture of the author powercomm
    Hi, you've just had me stuck to my seat for the last 10 minutes reading this great guide. I currently have some sites based around Amazon products and can immediately see where I need to improve, printing this now - thanks. Peter
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    • Profile picture of the author Young Samurai
      phpnetpro,

      I've just finished the Jan Roos WSO on Amazon sites and have found this thread fascinating. Thank you for sharing so much info.

      Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author evazk
    Thanks for the useful article to earn from Amazon, I'm too confident now to earn from Amazon....
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrs S
    "You can also find out what people want to buy on Amazon.com by checking out Gift Central. Gift Central shows you some of the most wished for items in various categories or for different kinds of people (grandpa's, for example). This is a superb way to find out about popular niche products that you would ordinarily not even think about."

    Thanks for this nugget - I'm always looking for new products to promote and the Gift Central area is a great resource.
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    • Profile picture of the author marco005
      Hello,

      Great stuff.
      But i dont understand as a newbie, why i must be look ad niche keywords/products they have less searchvolume?

      Example, ich build a niche website, with 15 keys they have a searchvolume from 1900-9000, in google external tool, not like broad, like phrases type. 2 word phrases keywords/product keywords.

      So, when i going deeper to 3-4 word phrases keywords, they have a searchvolume less than 1900, perhaps 200, or maximum 500, but the same strong summary of competitors.

      So who is there tha advantage to a keyword than have higher searchvolumes?

      Example (not from google external tool);

      "phrase" ; Nr. 1: wellness skin care creme, 210 searchvolume, but the same summary of competitors, than key Nr.2.
      Nr. 2: skin care creme, 1900 searchvolume

      Why should i took the Key Nr . 1? Can you explain me theese please?

      best wishes
      marco005
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      • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
        Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

        Hello,


        Great stuff.
        But i dont understand as a newbie, why i must be look ad niche keywords/products they have less searchvolume?

        Example, ich build a niche website, with 15 keys they have a searchvolume from 1900-9000, in google external tool, not like broad, like phrases type. 2 word phrases keywords/product keywords.

        So, when i going deeper to 3-4 word phrases keywords, they have a searchvolume less than 1900, perhaps 200, or maximum 500, but the same strong summary of competitors.

        So who is there tha advantage to a keyword than have higher searchvolumes?

        Example (not from google external tool);

        "phrase" ; Nr. 1: wellness skin care creme, 210 searchvolume, but the same summary of competitors, than key Nr.2.
        Nr. 2: skin care creme, 1900 searchvolume

        Why should i took the Key Nr . 1? Can you explain me theese please?

        best wishes
        marco005


        Hi Marco005,

        These are good questions.

        If you can get a domain name like #2 that is more general with higher search volume, I would certainly get it. With sites like that, you will generally have to build a site about more products which will means more pages of content until Google sees you as an authority on that general subject.

        With a domain name like #1, it will be a lot easier to get into the top ten even if you see the same competition in those results. This may not always be the case, so you do want to try to figure out if those sites have optimized for a more general term or that specific keyword phrase.

        With a longer keyword phrase, you will generally have less competition in the way of pages that use that exact phrase. There's still a chance that a low traffic phrase could have high competition, especially in particular niche categories. If you look at some of the most popular IM niches, you will find that keyword phrases of 200 monthly searches can have very high competition. By contrast, in lower competition markets you can often find a phrase with 500-1000 monthly searches with low competition.

        If you are looking for something in the "health" niche like your keyword examples, then that is likely the reason for the high competition that you see across the board. My best advice is to stay away from those if you think the competition is too high and start looking in different product categories. It's not impossible to make your way into a high competition niche, but it's just a lot easier to make your way into numerous low competition niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
    My god thats the most insightful information I have read up on so far on this site, thanks for the share I will not lie and pretend that I get it all and understand every last bit of it, however I will be going over this a few more times to grasp the finer details, thanks for taking the time to create this fantastic thread.

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    • Profile picture of the author inlecture
      Ryan,

      I really need to say from the bottom of my heart a great BIG thank you, and from what the comments have shown so far i am not the only one

      After reading your post, I have as a newbie learned a TON and as the wide world of internet marketing and niche sites is still a very big and scary world to a little fish such as myself it is great to know that there are some big friendly giants out there to help us out ( yes I like to have fun with words lol )

      I currently have a niche site ( my first one ever ) and it is one of the most exciting feelings ever, so far i have yet to land a commission but the site is still very very new with undoutly flaws seeing that i am new. But hey, thats what being new is all about, making some mistakes and LEARNING from those mistakes.

      I must admit I am eagerly awaiting your videos on the start to finish niche site, until such time I have decided to put a hold on rushing in head first and sit back a little more and learn learn learn...

      If I have one question for you sir it would be this.

      1. With your sites, apart from using pages for each new item etc how do you get your sites to rank high on google? As everyone knows traffic really is king and i am having HUGE issues grasping how to get traffic to a niche site. I do understand the principle of back linking but it does not sound like you live and die by this principle to rank your site and I am a very interested little fish as to how you generally get your sites ranked on google?

      Question 2 : I recently purchases market samurai as an investment for the future, would you consider this an adequate tool for market / niche research or would i be better off following your above instructions?


      Again sir, a very big THANK YOU for all of your information

      Best regards,
      Jarrod M.

      P.S. If you were ever interesed in teaching / a student please let me now, like I have said, my main goal right now is to learn and it always help to have instruction from an experienced individual while learning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mickgoh
    Very good information for newbie ! I absolutley learn a lot from this post
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello phpnetro, hello to all,

    Thanks for your fast require.

    I make a little example;

    i look at 2-3 word keyphrases so at;

    skin repair creme 320 searchvolume
    skin moisturizer 880 searchvolume
    anti aging lotions 260 searchvolume
    natural anti aging 590 searchvolume

    and so on, and so on, they have a little bit less competitor than other keywords with higher searchvolume.

    So i build ab website with around 15-20 wellness products with this deeper product keywords.

    I think i make my Blogstructure so;

    header navigation, "blog" with the newest blogposts, contact, sitemap,privacy there are not any google ads.

    in the right sidebar, then i set the 15-20 product keywords.

    So when you click on one on theese product keywords, you come on a site (page no article), with an product review-description with photo an 300-500 words description.

    In this productpage, i put an adsense leatherboard and an google ad beginning left from the article.

    So i think this must bring an ctr over 10%, ore many more (i hope....) an the google ads are suitable to my content, so then i must earn so 50% from the adwords cpc, they are from 0,99-to 8 $ in the industry i want make money.

    Like xfactor method, they say, then a proiduct seite haves higher ctr than an blog about information not products.

    But the different to my other competitor are theese; I write more than then, more Blogposts, more articles.

    Blogposts promotion on squidoo, hubpages, social news site, articles to the 10-20 high pr directories
    DAILY!! Daily 10 blogposts and 10-12 articles.

    Or very better article writing to high pr wellness directories......!! This brings better vrabking than an article directorie, with many different categories.

    This must bring targeting traffic an linkbuilding...and last but not least;a googd SERP placement.
    I building so 200-300 backlinks everymonth.

    I hope i become minimum 2000 targeting traffic user in the first month of my blog......

    I`ll try it.

    best wishes and merry christmas to all

    For your business solution, reading books like; The secret, Master Key System, The diamant sutra
    from author Geshe Michael Roach, the best i have reading.

    marco005

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello to all and merry christmas,

    Perhaps,in can make my little example a little bit better when i drive the traffic vom social news sites, squidoo, hubpages and article directories direct to my product sites?

    So there i wouldt build my blogstructur better, then the traffic comkes directly to the "Home" page, who has the name wellnes products or so (example). In this page is an review of all the products, also with a little foto and product titel.(there are not google adsense ads)

    So when you click on one foto or textlink, you come to the productsite with amazon products fotos and a adsense leatherboard an adsense ad on the left by the product description.

    This is like xfactor, but there i put my blogsites like; about, sitemap,contact in the footer!

    Why? So when the sitemap (there are all my blogposts) an other no pĆ¼roduct static sites are in the footer, there is an really big chance, that i become more higher ctr with my google ads, because the visitors are not irritated by my header navigation on the top, that remains i put in the footer!

    This looks like an little bit MFA site, but dont is it, then other content information is there, this is in the sitemap in the footer. This is legaly by adsense TOS.

    I think this method is a little bit better and higher profitable. But i dont make the same theme like xfactor black and green, no other theme.

    So when its possible with this method to become more than 20% ctr or more, so you make money with less traffic.
    Ok, social news site traffic perhaps make not so high adsense ctr as like traffic from article directories.
    When serp traffic or article directories traffic makes 20% ctr ore more, social news site traffic perthaps 10% ctr, when you beginning with 100 visitors per day in your first blogging month, so is there a real big chance, that 10-20 of theese visitors click on your adsense ads.

    10 clicks are between 0,55-2 $ makes 150-600 $ in month. So when you can write many blogposts and articles, you build more backlinks than your competitor who is on google place Nr. 2, you must become more than 100 visitors a day, i think (my theory).

    When you promote your blogposts on squidoo and social news sites, and articles to article directories and you can set 2 backlinks, then make the first backlink like your url to the "Home" page (product review) and the second backlink is with your productname in the url( permalink structur) so in my example like anti aging cremes or so, this link is going direcrtly to the anti aging cremes product sites.

    And always change a little bit your second url backlink name, so like best antiaging cremnes, or here anti aging cremes, about antig aging creems, etc, etc , i think google looks at your backllink, when you always have the same url name, i think google can you penalty pu down in the serps.(?)

    What do you think about? Please let us make discuss about.

    best wishes, much sucess and merry christmas
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author jacked
    Very good guide, I was actually doing research on for an Amazon site right now. Thanks again brother.
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    Hi Ryan,

    Just had a few more questions:

    1. When it comes to brand name products, do you find it hard to get high rank for those kind of pages within your website if part of the primary keyword isn't in the keyword phrase with the brand name?

    2. Do pages on your Amazon sites that are more generic, i.e., page targeting keyword phrase "dog crates" perform better than pages targeting a specific brand name product, i.e., "Midwest iCrate," or does it depend on the niche you're targeting?

    3. With the guidelines you provided about keyword reasearch, does that apply to all the other keyword phrases you target on your website or just the primary keyword phrase?

    4. There is a brand name piece of fitness equipment I would like to target and the keyword phrases that have the brand name in it, however, I know I can't legally have the brand name in the domain name.

    Could I get some sort of generic domain name, i.e., myfavoritefitnessequipment.com, but then use the other pages on the site to go after keyword phrases I would like to rank for?

    And could I still expect to rank all of those pages highly in Google even though my domain doesn't have the trademarked name in it nor if I could care less about ranking the main page?
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
    Hi Ryan


    Thanks so much for the Plugin it is fantastic I just wanted to ask you something quickly, would it be worth buying some Keyword software such as the Scrapebox, Market Samurai, for myself I am 100% newbie with this however I have just made a small amount of money on YouTube by promoting Amazon products, I did this just to see if it was possible and it worked, now I want to take the bigger step of creating Mini Niche sites, so you see I just wanted to hear your opinion on this many thanks in advance.

    Lee
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  • Profile picture of the author Cheapsnake
    Thanks Ryan, great info!!! I just finished signing up for the e-book and was then directed to your confirmation page with a link to the InfoProductKiller where I could make $112K in a month for just one payment of $37.

    Please cancel my request for the e-book, I'm going with the IPK! Sheesh, it's a no-brainer.

    Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author jesus3
    wow great thread man. alot of info here. bookmarked for sure.
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    • Profile picture of the author Pangdene
      Hi Ryan,

      thank you SO much for the great info in this thread - really valuable for a newbie like me!

      I now have to read it all again!

      I am bookmarking this thread and will keep coming back to make sure I don't miss anything!

      Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello to all best wishes and big sucess in the new year 2011!

    I think. ist possible to make money with an adsense niche site al little bit automatically.

    So, find feeds with your keywords, set up in blogger.com or squidoo and so on, not on your Blog/Website in there you will make money with google adsense!

    You become traffic from blogger.com or squidoo and so on,with fresh rss feed content and backlinking to your site, example; anti aging point or so, in there you promoting amazon antig aging products with google adsense.

    In your adsense niche site you put in your blog in the footer your blog link like as antiagingpoint/blogger.com or so.

    You only write articles daily, they you set your backlink to your adsense niche webseite.

    With this strategy you have less spend time to work. Rss content comes automatically, article marketing, goes 50:50 syndicated.

    And important notice, you will not defense the google adsense TOS, then you have not only an MFA site, no, you have a blog included.............your site looks like an informativ site in googles eyes.

    I think this strategy is powerfull and you have an minimal spend time to work, you work effective.
    With this method when you put your contact, blogger.com blog, etc in the footer of your adsense product niche site, you will have dreamly high ctr.

    Its be smart.

    With this method you can have 5-6 adsense niche sites , you can promoting daily!

    best wishs
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author martbost
      Ryan,

      I truly am amazed at how painfully simple your Kindle method is. I now have 11 books published in about 3 days. I plan on meeting my goal of three books per day.

      I purchased your system and finished going through it yesterday.

      Once again, thanks for such great advice and "Bearing Your Soul" in this forum on how to find a Niche.

      Sincerely,
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  • Profile picture of the author TravelGuy25
    Good Afternoon,

    I have read over your post "How to Find a Niche Market - A Guide to Finding New Amazon Product Niche Markets" and before I say anything else let me express how helpful that post was to me. I was sitting on the fence about getting into SEO and Niche marketing for a few months now and this post more or less gave me a nudge in the behind. Thank you very much for taking the time to write that. I would like to ask you a few question that would help me out immensely. I understand you run some sort of training or advice program that is a paid service, so if this is considered information only accessible through your paid service then by all means let me know and I will understand. Nonetheless, I have a few questions/concerns I hope you may answer for me.

    I have been looking through amazon for 2 or 3 weeks now trying to find the right niche market, keyword, domain etc. combination and have since started to look at other affiliate programs. My first question is do you have experience outside of amazon affiliating? and Do you have any general advice for this?

    I have discovered my first real keyword prospect I guess you could say and researched 6 closely related keywords/combinations and I would like to provide you with some attributes of these 6 keywords. I am having problems deciding which one to go for or if any of them are even goon enough to go for. Anyways, if you could please take a look at the following and recommend which or any to progress further with I would be in your debt (figuratively speaking).

    Keyword 1:

    Average PR = 1.8
    3 of 10 are new
    6 of 10 less than 200 BLP
    6 of 10 less than 2,000 Indexed Pages
    Domain: Exact, available

    Keyword Stats:
    SEOT(monthly) = 1,512
    Total Searches(monthly) = 3,600
    Google Keyword Tool Global Monthly Searches = 3,600
    Exact Match Searches = 110
    Phrase Match Searches = 880

    Trial Google Search:
    Paid Ads = 6
    Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 2
    My Keywords in other Domains= (2/3) - 3
    "keyword" = 381,000
    Allintitle:"keyword" = 7,390

    Keyword 2:
    Market Samurai:
    Average PR = 2.6
    New Domain: 2 of 10
    Less than 200 BLP = 8 of 10
    Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 5 of 10
    Domain: Exact, available

    Keyword Stats:
    SEOT(monthly) = 3,402
    Total Searches(monthly) = 8,100
    [Exact Match] Searches = 110
    "Phrase Match" Searches = 1,900

    Trial Google Search:
    Paid Ads = 4
    Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 2
    My Keywords in other Domains= 2 or 3
    "keyword" = 686,000
    Allintitle:"keyword" = 1,860

    Keyword 3:
    Market Samurai:
    Average PR = 2.5
    New Domain: 2
    Less than 200 BLP = 6
    Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 3
    Domain: Exact, available

    Keyword Stats:
    SEOT(monthly) = 2,268
    Total Searches(monthly) = 5,400
    [Exact Match] Searches = 260
    "Phrase Match" Searches = 480

    Trial Google Search:
    Paid Ads = 10
    Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 2
    My Keywords in other Domains= 1
    "keyword" = 166,000
    Allintitle:"keyword" = 542

    Keyword 4:
    Market Samurai:
    Average PR = 1.9
    New Domain: 2
    Less than 200 BLP = 6
    Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 4
    Domain: Exact, available

    Keyword Stats:
    SEOT(monthly) = 5,082
    Total Searches(monthly) = 12,100
    [Exact Match] Searches = 480
    "Phrase Match" Searches = 880

    Trial Google Search:
    Paid Ads = 5
    Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 1
    My Keywords in other Domains= 0
    "keyword" = 56,200
    Allintitle:"keyword" = 587

    Keyword 5:
    Market Samurai:
    Average PR = 1.4
    New Domain: 3
    Less than 200 BLP = 8
    Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 5
    Domain: Exact, available

    Keyword Stats:
    SEOT(monthly) = 3,402
    Total Searches(monthly) = 8,100
    [Exact Match] Searches = 1,300
    "Phrase Match" Searches = 2,400

    Trial Google Search:
    Paid Ads = 5
    Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 2
    My Keywords in other Domains= 0
    "keyword" = 69,300
    Allintitle:"keyword" = 1,140

    Keyword 6:
    Market Samurai:
    Average PR = 1.9
    New Domain: 2
    Less than 200 BLP = 8
    Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 2
    Domain: Exact, available

    Keyword Stats:
    SEOT(monthly) = 7,602
    Total Searches(monthly) = 18,100
    [Exact Match] Searches = 1,300
    "Phrase Match" Searches = 2,900

    Trial Google Search:
    Paid Ads = 3
    Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 3
    My Keywords in other Domains= 0
    "keyword" = 616,000
    Allintitle:"keyword" = 11,600

    I look forward to your feedback. Best of luck with your latest endeavors!
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  • Profile picture of the author foley2009
    Very useful guide you have provided.

    Thank you very much. As you give it shall be given unto you. Amen.
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Hello again everyone,

      I've been a bit busy lately and haven't been able to catch up on replies.

      I'm going to try to address everyone that has replied since I was last here.

      Many thanks to everyone for the massive, continued support I've received as a result of this thread. I'm very happy that so many of you were able to get a lot of use out of it.

      Many people don't realize this, but this technique works for more than just Amazon niche research. You can really use it for any kind of niche research.

      Originally Posted by jacked View Post

      Very good guide, I was actually doing research on for an Amazon site right now. Thanks again brother.
      Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

      Hi Ryan,

      Just had a few more questions:

      1. When it comes to brand name products, do you find it hard to get high rank for those kind of pages within your website if part of the primary keyword isn't in the keyword phrase with the brand name?

      2. Do pages on your Amazon sites that are more generic, i.e., page targeting keyword phrase "dog crates" perform better than pages targeting a specific brand name product, i.e., "Midwest iCrate," or does it depend on the niche you're targeting?

      3. With the guidelines you provided about keyword reasearch, does that apply to all the other keyword phrases you target on your website or just the primary keyword phrase?

      4. There is a brand name piece of fitness equipment I would like to target and the keyword phrases that have the brand name in it, however, I know I can't legally have the brand name in the domain name.

      Could I get some sort of generic domain name, i.e., myfavoritefitnessequipment.com, but then use the other pages on the site to go after keyword phrases I would like to rank for?

      And could I still expect to rank all of those pages highly in Google even though my domain doesn't have the trademarked name in it nor if I could care less about ranking the main page?
      Hi Brittany,

      I don't mind answering certain questions, but please don't post questions to the thread, PM them to me and email me them to me. I'm tempted to ignore questions when that happens. Again, I don't mind answering certain questions, but this is just something I do when I have a bit of free time.

      #1 & 2, I don't really have specific answers for all situations. These things really vary from niche to niche. Some things are easy to get ranked for and others aren't - the key is to know how to figure out which is which.

      #3 - Most of it applies to any keyword research, although some of the number guidelines may just apply to the main keyword phrase.

      #4 - I'm pretty sure I've addressed this somewhere in this thread already. This is generally what I do, and really the only legal solution to this. In a lot of cases, you'll probably need to do more work than just creating a single page for the brand/product to rank high for it - think sub-pages and backlinks.




      Originally Posted by Lee789 View Post

      Hi Ryan


      Thanks so much for the Plugin it is fantastic I just wanted to ask you something quickly, would it be worth buying some Keyword software such as the Scrapebox, Market Samurai, for myself I am 100% newbie with this however I have just made a small amount of money on YouTube by promoting Amazon products, I did this just to see if it was possible and it worked, now I want to take the bigger step of creating Mini Niche sites, so you see I just wanted to hear your opinion on this many thanks in advance.

      Lee
      Hi Lee,

      I suppose for a newbie, software like this would be worth it. Personally, I've never bought software like this or even used it. I have heard of what it does, and I think this thread pretty much teaches you how to do what the software will do for you. Some people would rather learn how to do it for free, while others will prefer to have software do it for them - it's really just a matter of personal preference I would say.

      Originally Posted by Cheapsnake View Post

      Thanks Ryan, great info!!! I just finished signing up for the e-book and was then directed to your confirmation page with a link to the InfoProductKiller where I could make $112K in a month for just one payment of $37.

      Please cancel my request for the e-book, I'm going with the IPK! Sheesh, it's a no-brainer.

      Tom
      Hi Tom,

      I take it you own InfoProductKiller? lol

      It was a test product from clickbank on my download page for a couple of days, before I converted my ebook to the new niche research ebook. I sent a number of clicks with zero conversions. It was a no-brainer to remove it .


      Originally Posted by jesus3 View Post

      wow great thread man. alot of info here. bookmarked for sure.
      Thank you very much Jesus. I'm glad someone with such worldly, timeless knowledge as yourself finds use in my meager writings, lol.

      Originally Posted by Pangdene View Post

      Hi Ryan,

      thank you SO much for the great info in this thread - really valuable for a newbie like me!

      I now have to read it all again!

      I am bookmarking this thread and will keep coming back to make sure I don't miss anything!

      Mark
      Hi Mark,

      You're very welcome. Like other newbies, you'll probably keep learning more from this thread each time you read it and practice it. Even though I can tell the information to others, it will usually take a bit of practice to get really good at it, but you will eventually reach a point where you can find a good niche and domain name in an hour or two.


      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hello to all best wishes and big sucess in the new year 2011!

      I think. ist possible to make money with an adsense niche site al little bit automatically.

      So, find feeds with your keywords, set up in blogger.com or squidoo and so on, not on your Blog/Website in there you will make money with google adsense!

      You become traffic from blogger.com or squidoo and so on,with fresh rss feed content and backlinking to your site, example; anti aging point or so, in there you promoting amazon antig aging products with google adsense.

      In your adsense niche site you put in your blog in the footer your blog link like as antiagingpoint/blogger.com or so.

      You only write articles daily, they you set your backlink to your adsense niche webseite.

      With this strategy you have less spend time to work. Rss content comes automatically, article marketing, goes 50:50 syndicated.

      And important notice, you will not defense the google adsense TOS, then you have not only an MFA site, no, you have a blog included.............your site looks like an informativ site in googles eyes.

      I think this strategy is powerfull and you have an minimal spend time to work, you work effective.
      With this method when you put your contact, blogger.com blog, etc in the footer of your adsense product niche site, you will have dreamly high ctr.

      Its be smart.

      With this method you can have 5-6 adsense niche sites , you can promoting daily!

      best wishs
      marco005

      Was this meant for this thread marco? I don't really like adsense, free blog sites or auto-blogging. I think auto content is dragging down the internet, although it makes it easier for my sites to stick out since I put the time into making quality content.

      Originally Posted by martbost View Post

      Ryan,

      I truly am amazed at how painfully simple your Kindle method is. I now have 11 books published in about 3 days. I plan on meeting my goal of three books per day.

      I purchased your system and finished going through it yesterday.

      Once again, thanks for such great advice and "Bearing Your Soul" in this forum on how to find a Niche.

      Sincerely,
      You're quite welcome. Glad you found my advice helpful.


      Originally Posted by TravelGuy25 View Post

      Good Afternoon,

      I have read over your post "How to Find a Niche Market - A Guide to Finding New Amazon Product Niche Markets" and before I say anything else let me express how helpful that post was to me. I was sitting on the fence about getting into SEO and Niche marketing for a few months now and this post more or less gave me a nudge in the behind. Thank you very much for taking the time to write that. I would like to ask you a few question that would help me out immensely. I understand you run some sort of training or advice program that is a paid service, so if this is considered information only accessible through your paid service then by all means let me know and I will understand. Nonetheless, I have a few questions/concerns I hope you may answer for me.

      I have been looking through amazon for 2 or 3 weeks now trying to find the right niche market, keyword, domain etc. combination and have since started to look at other affiliate programs. My first question is do you have experience outside of amazon affiliating? and Do you have any general advice for this?

      I have discovered my first real keyword prospect I guess you could say and researched 6 closely related keywords/combinations and I would like to provide you with some attributes of these 6 keywords. I am having problems deciding which one to go for or if any of them are even goon enough to go for. Anyways, if you could please take a look at the following and recommend which or any to progress further with I would be in your debt (figuratively speaking).

      Keyword 1:

      Average PR = 1.8
      3 of 10 are new
      6 of 10 less than 200 BLP
      6 of 10 less than 2,000 Indexed Pages
      Domain: Exact, available

      Keyword Stats:
      SEOT(monthly) = 1,512
      Total Searches(monthly) = 3,600
      Google Keyword Tool Global Monthly Searches = 3,600
      Exact Match Searches = 110
      Phrase Match Searches = 880

      Trial Google Search:
      Paid Ads = 6
      Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 2
      My Keywords in other Domains= (2/3) - 3
      "keyword" = 381,000
      Allintitle:"keyword" = 7,390

      Keyword 2:
      Market Samurai:
      Average PR = 2.6
      New Domain: 2 of 10
      Less than 200 BLP = 8 of 10
      Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 5 of 10
      Domain: Exact, available

      Keyword Stats:
      SEOT(monthly) = 3,402
      Total Searches(monthly) = 8,100
      [Exact Match] Searches = 110
      "Phrase Match" Searches = 1,900

      Trial Google Search:
      Paid Ads = 4
      Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 2
      My Keywords in other Domains= 2 or 3
      "keyword" = 686,000
      Allintitle:"keyword" = 1,860

      Keyword 3:
      Market Samurai:
      Average PR = 2.5
      New Domain: 2
      Less than 200 BLP = 6
      Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 3
      Domain: Exact, available

      Keyword Stats:
      SEOT(monthly) = 2,268
      Total Searches(monthly) = 5,400
      [Exact Match] Searches = 260
      "Phrase Match" Searches = 480

      Trial Google Search:
      Paid Ads = 10
      Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 2
      My Keywords in other Domains= 1
      "keyword" = 166,000
      Allintitle:"keyword" = 542

      Keyword 4:
      Market Samurai:
      Average PR = 1.9
      New Domain: 2
      Less than 200 BLP = 6
      Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 4
      Domain: Exact, available

      Keyword Stats:
      SEOT(monthly) = 5,082
      Total Searches(monthly) = 12,100
      [Exact Match] Searches = 480
      "Phrase Match" Searches = 880

      Trial Google Search:
      Paid Ads = 5
      Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 1
      My Keywords in other Domains= 0
      "keyword" = 56,200
      Allintitle:"keyword" = 587

      Keyword 5:
      Market Samurai:
      Average PR = 1.4
      New Domain: 3
      Less than 200 BLP = 8
      Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 5
      Domain: Exact, available

      Keyword Stats:
      SEOT(monthly) = 3,402
      Total Searches(monthly) = 8,100
      [Exact Match] Searches = 1,300
      "Phrase Match" Searches = 2,400

      Trial Google Search:
      Paid Ads = 5
      Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 2
      My Keywords in other Domains= 0
      "keyword" = 69,300
      Allintitle:"keyword" = 1,140

      Keyword 6:
      Market Samurai:
      Average PR = 1.9
      New Domain: 2
      Less than 200 BLP = 8
      Less than 2,000 Indexed Pages = 2
      Domain: Exact, available

      Keyword Stats:
      SEOT(monthly) = 7,602
      Total Searches(monthly) = 18,100
      [Exact Match] Searches = 1,300
      "Phrase Match" Searches = 2,900

      Trial Google Search:
      Paid Ads = 3
      Authority Sites in Top Ten (About, Wiki, Amazon or other major sites) = 3
      My Keywords in other Domains= 0
      "keyword" = 616,000
      Allintitle:"keyword" = 11,600

      I look forward to your feedback. Best of luck with your latest endeavors!




      Hi TravelGuy,

      Just based on a quick look at the info you provided, #4 & #5 look decent.

      I do have more experience than just as an Amazon affiliate. I've been making a full-time living with a wide variety of affiliate programs and selling my own products/services for over 15 years. It would be pretty hard to give some general information about all of that. I do give out quite a bit of free information about my knowledge and experiences through my ebook newsletter. I guess it's hard to go into more detail than that. I do give very detailed information and guidance about pretty much anything you want with my one-on-one training program, which you mentioned.

      Originally Posted by foley2009 View Post

      Very useful guide you have provided.

      Thank you very much. As you give it shall be given unto you. Amen.
      Thanks for your kind words foley.

      Your words are quite true. I encourage anyone else out there to share useful information with others - it will truly come back to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hello phpnetpro,

    thanks for your answer.

    But, when you say this;

    Was this meant for this thread marco? I don't really like adsense, free blog sites or auto-blogging. I think auto content is dragging down the internet, although it makes it easier for my sites to stick out since I put the time into making quality content.

    When you not really like adsense, why you make money with it? or you mean adsense sites themes?

    My question here is very simple;
    The xfactor themes i have seen on the internet, they all not have a blog included, perhaps a sitemap.

    On this sites are only products and product content, a bout me , privacy and contact site, finish.

    But, when google say, you must have content, you not have to be only an mfa site, so ist better when everybody includes a blog on thoes adsense prodcut sites, to show google "here i have more content"....

    But, the most who make money with this great method, not have a blog ob their product sites.
    They write articles and have a blogger or squidoo site or others, to drive traffic above them to the only adsense product site.

    When they have in theire adsense product site in the footer a link back to their blogger site or squidoo or others, so they show google; "here i have more information content", so the be avoid to get banned from google.

    Thats i be wondered about this great method.
    To make a strategy to be not banned from google is important, i think.

    Then when you not have a blog on your adsense product site, where is the information content, google want to see?

    with best wihes and success
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author ZakM
    Good in-depth post about market research Ryan! How do you make a 'page' go on your homepage? I have been using sticky posts because i don't know how to do this.

    Also, bought your plugin and it's quite good, very user friendly!
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  • Profile picture of the author aquariusjanak
    very nice posting.You done a great job it will be very helpful for every one.Thanks for the posting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rep Vola
    Ryan, thank you a lot for the posting! It shows me several useful tips to find keywords especially the phrase-matched keyword idea. You said "You optimize the main page of your site for the primary keyword phrase and then have many other pages that are each optimized for a single long-tail phrase that contains your primary phrase (ie, "new niche markets" or "product niche markets"). When you add up the traffic of all of these keyword phrases, you receive the 'Phrase' traffic number." I have 2 questions here:

    1. How do you find a list of the long-tail phrase? Do you use Google Keyword Tool, or Google Suggestion, Google Related Search, Google Wonder Wheel, Check competitors' sites or other tools?
    2. Which factors do you use to select and decide which long-tail phrases you will use in website pages?


    Thank you a million!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author steveo
    Originally Posted by Look4VGames View Post

    i have absolutely no clue how your making money on that dog crate selling website, i cant even find a buy link to check out and product and half the pictures have errors..
    Its seems that way but i did find links on the site going to amazon Small Dog Crates - Dog Crate Sizes

    Brilliant information 10/10
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  • Profile picture of the author carguydc
    Do you still offer your keyword research service? I signed up for your newsletter but i didnt see that offer anywhere?

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Aki Fagno
    Thank you for sharing such a substantial information. Great job!
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  • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
    Many thanks again for everyone's comments on this thread.

    For those of you who are looking for some additional information beyond keyword research, I have recently put up another thread here that you should find useful:
    Niche Affiliate Marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author Linder
    Very Nice Guide....Thank You!
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    • Profile picture of the author R0CKY
      Hellp, I'm a bit late to this party, but phpnetpro great post thank you very much.

      How refreshing to read a down to earth and realistic strategy, no hype, just an honest recounting of your experience.

      What some might have missed is that you clearly focus on adding value when you actually create your website content, rather than focusing on sell-sell-sell. This is perhaps why you are achieveing SERPs that would appear beyond what may be expected for their actual SEO stats.

      Apart from the dogcrate website which you sold on, have you shared any of your other sites that we may see "a site in action" so to speak?

      And do you still offer the niche finding service?

      Thanks again.
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      • Profile picture of the author seoman76
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        Great insights on keyword research, you took all my doubts away. Thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author spigven
          Hello phpnetpro.

          Came across your post after searching the web for help in finding niche keywords. I was so impressed that I've signed up to the forum. Are you still offering coaching ? If so I wouldn't mind some more details. I'm a newbie (but you already guessed that of course) and I'm having a fruitless time searching for niche keywords.

          Thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author rvdp
            Hi, sorry if this has been asked before (don;t have time now to go through thread). What conversion percentage do you get on average from your Amazon reviews site(s). And what's the ratio of people buying your reviewed products vs people buying random stuff through your link? Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author spigven
              Thanks for the reply, I got your PM. I can't reply via PM because apparently my post count is too low ?

              Anyway I've decided to persevere this week and if I get nowhere I'll buy your product (actually I may buy it anyway) or I'll consider some coaching.

              I bought a course recently and have some other info on niche selection but it all requires a substantial amount of traffic (plus other criteria) which is where I'm struggling (and I think this is compounded by being UK based). You stating that smaller amounts of traffic may be viable has given me encouragement.

              Thanks.
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              • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
                Linder, jlw, seoman76:

                You're quite welcome. Thank you for your comments as well.

                Ryan

                Originally Posted by Linder View Post

                Very Nice Guide....Thank You!
                Originally Posted by jlw View Post

                Thank you phpnetpro, very motivated to dig in!
                Originally Posted by seoman76 View Post

                Great insights on keyword research, you took all my doubts away. Thanks!

                Hi R0CKY,

                You're very welcome. I have shared a few more of my sites in my training lessons, but the short answer is no. I'd love to be able to share all of my sites. Unfortunately, too many people take advantage of my generosity. A perfect example is that someone copied dogcratesizes.com almost word for word to dogcratesize.com.

                I truly believe that Google knows the difference between a "sell sell sell" website and one that offers real value to a visitor. Indeed it is one of the driving reasons why my sites are able to get great results in the SERPs.

                I do still offer the niche research service, although it is generally upon request. You can easily contact me by email through a number of my websites, two of which are in my signature links.

                Ryan

                Originally Posted by R0CKY View Post

                Hellp, I'm a bit late to this party, but phpnetpro great post thank you very much.

                How refreshing to read a down to earth and realistic strategy, no hype, just an honest recounting of your experience.

                What some might have missed is that you clearly focus on adding value when you actually create your website content, rather than focusing on sell-sell-sell. This is perhaps why you are achieveing SERPs that would appear beyond what may be expected for their actual SEO stats.

                Apart from the dogcrate website which you sold on, have you shared any of your other sites that we may see "a site in action" so to speak?

                And do you still offer the niche finding service?

                Thanks again.
                Hi spigven,

                Sorry for the PM rules on the forum. I still never got used to those (been around since it was a free forum). I mentioned it above but in case you didn't see it, you can always contact me by email through my website contact forms.

                For those of you looking for more in depth information on niche research and building the actual websites, I have a Warrior Forum Special Offer that may be of interest to you:
                http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ot-harder.html

                Ryan


                Originally Posted by spigven View Post

                Hello phpnetpro.

                Came across your post after searching the web for help in finding niche keywords. I was so impressed that I've signed up to the forum. Are you still offering coaching ? If so I wouldn't mind some more details. I'm a newbie (but you already guessed that of course) and I'm having a fruitless time searching for niche keywords.

                Thanks.
                Originally Posted by spigven View Post

                Thanks for the reply, I got your PM. I can't reply via PM because apparently my post count is too low ?

                Anyway I've decided to persevere this week and if I get nowhere I'll buy your product (actually I may buy it anyway) or I'll consider some coaching.

                I bought a course recently and have some other info on niche selection but it all requires a substantial amount of traffic (plus other criteria) which is where I'm struggling (and I think this is compounded by being UK based). You stating that smaller amounts of traffic may be viable has given me encouragement.

                Thanks.

                Hi rvdp,

                My average conversion rates range between 3% and 12%. It really depends on the niche, product price, ad technique used, website content/effectiveness, etc.

                I don't count the random purchases in the conversion rate averages (they're product link conversion rates). I do see a fair amount of random purchases, but they probably only account for 5-10% of my total Amazon income. At least half of my random product purchases are related to products that I promote.

                I consider the random purchases an extra bonus. Most likely, those happen when someone decides not to purchase something that you were trying to promote, but then they continue browsing on Amazon and buy other random things. Since you get 24 hours after the product link click, random sales may even be a result from pre-existing Amazon customers clicking on your link and then completing a random purchase before the 24 hours expires.

                Overall, I think the random purchases are helpful to boost monthly sales volume, but the actual commission amounts generally don't add up to much.

                Ryan

                Originally Posted by rvdp View Post

                Hi, sorry if this has been asked before (don;t have time now to go through thread). What conversion percentage do you get on average from your Amazon reviews site(s). And what's the ratio of people buying your reviewed products vs people buying random stuff through your link? Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author zafar
    Ryan,

    You have done us a great favor by writing this long Amazon money making guide that new Internet Marketers like me will use for a long long time. Good job man...!

    Zafar
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  • Profile picture of the author coronaborcalis
    Nice thread, however finding .com domain is not as easy as its sound. in my opinion .net is also good domain to catch
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Originally Posted by zafar View Post

      Ryan,

      You have done us a great favor by writing this long Amazon money making guide that new Internet Marketers like me will use for a long long time. Good job man...!

      Zafar

      You are quite welcome Zafar. I'm happy that this thread is still found useful five months later and should still be useful for a while to come.

      Ryan

      Originally Posted by coronaborcalis View Post

      Nice thread, however finding .com domain is not as easy as its sound. in my opinion .net is also good domain to catch
      Hi coronaborcalis,

      .net domains are decent, but I ultimately prefer the .com for a few different reasons. It's a lot easier to gain returning visitors to a .com site, in my opinion. .net will still get a bit of a boost from Google, but it just doesn't seem to be much compared with a .com domain. My other worry is competition from the .com domain. I would never consider opening a .net site when a .com site exists and is targeting the same thing.

      .com domains are harder to find than they used to be, but I still find it rather easy. Each Friday, I find around 10 niche .com domains to give away to my email newsletter. I likely would not do that if it took me forever to find them .

      The real trick to finding an available .com domain is to look for keywords with lower traffic (around 500/month) and to stay away from generally high competition markets. When you start poking around niches that you'd probably never consider as a personal interest of your own, you usually end up finding something quite easily.

      Ryan
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      • Profile picture of the author JustinG30
        I just wanted to say thanks for all the available information you have given us so for. Im new to IM but new to business. I currently own 4 businesses and do not have a minute to give to my family or friends and its really taken its toll on me. This is what has lead me to IM to see if maybe i can make enough to pay someone to help manage a couple of my stores so i can take a step back and give time to my family.

        I did have a couple quick questions if you dont mind answering (i tried PM you but it wouldnt let me because i havent sent 50 PM yet)

        Who do you use for your hosting with wordpress? Also have you done a tutorial on how to use wordpress? Also, did you just sign up with Amazon Associate? After reading your article, i purchase my first keyword.com that has about 500 exact. Whats nice is its related to one of my businesses.

        Any further help you can provide would be greatly appreciated!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author tanero
    Really, clear and realistic guide I have ever read.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarryPothead
    Great advice indeed..I'm actually going to build my first website based on your niche selection advice. I'll keep you posted on the progress.
    Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author CopyAcolyte
    Hello, OP.

    Thanks for this guide.

    You said that any niche with over 30,000 website results will be too difficult to market. Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time finding any niche that doesn't return anything less than 50,000 search results.

    Maybe I'm not searching for the terms in the right way..

    But how should I go about finding a niche that has that little search results? It seems like there are too many Amazon review sites out there.

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author waywyrd
      Hi,

      I also like to say thanks for this guide, and I've also purchased your course.

      Personally I think the course overdelivers for what you charge.

      But like CopyAcolyte's post:

      Originally Posted by CopyAcolyte View Post

      Hello, OP.

      Thanks for this guide.

      You said that any niche with over 30,000 website results will be too difficult to market. Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time finding any niche that doesn't return anything less than 50,000 search results.

      Maybe I'm not searching for the terms in the right way..

      But how should I go about finding a niche that has that little search results? It seems like there are too many Amazon review sites out there.

      Thanks.
      I run into the same problem, too many website results.

      Regards,

      Waywyrd
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  • Profile picture of the author HarryPothead
    Hi Ryan,

    I know you've heard it atleast HUNDRED time on this thread but THANKS.
    I can't thank you enough for many reasons. You actually gave me inspiration to get into affiliate marketing.
    I don't want to all thanky thanky and all..but this is the first thread I've subscribed to, first thread that I've finished from head to toe and first thread that made me sign up for WF. I've bookmarked your other keyword research thread as well.

    Ryan, I've combed your thread 2wice to get the depth of it. After reading I've some queries that I've mentioned in your visitor msg section..don't have 50 posts so can't PM. If possible kindly reply to them.

    Also I checked the "dogcratesize(dot)com" you mentioned..the one that has stolen your content. MAN!! the nerve of that guy..you are giving such an incredible info for free and that guy rather thanking you is taking advantage of your..thats not done people.

    i did notice that he/she even put the tag line of ur site as it is..and even though the domain is dogcratesize..the title reads dogcratesizeS..lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Ignore me as I copy and paste this and turn it into a WSO ;-)

    Joking aside, some serious good tips and advice for any Amazon affiliate starting out

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Nice tips, it's a great idea to find products to promote that will be around the long term
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    • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
      Hi everyone,

      It's been a while since I checked back with this thread. It's amazing to see that it's still frequently found 9 months after writing it. I'll try to do better with checking by from time to time to answer any questions.

      I've gone through all of the replies that have been posted since I was last here and left replies for all of you below.

      Ryan




      Originally Posted by JustinG30 View Post

      I just wanted to say thanks for all the available information you have given us so for. Im new to IM but new to business. I currently own 4 businesses and do not have a minute to give to my family or friends and its really taken its toll on me. This is what has lead me to IM to see if maybe i can make enough to pay someone to help manage a couple of my stores so i can take a step back and give time to my family.

      I did have a couple quick questions if you dont mind answering (i tried PM you but it wouldnt let me because i havent sent 50 PM yet)

      Who do you use for your hosting with wordpress? Also have you done a tutorial on how to use wordpress? Also, did you just sign up with Amazon Associate? After reading your article, i purchase my first keyword.com that has about 500 exact. Whats nice is its related to one of my businesses.

      Any further help you can provide would be greatly appreciated!!!
      Hi Justin,

      I do think this type of site would be a good fit for you. They don't take much time to manage, but it does take a bit of time to devote to creating each site.

      If you want to contact me privately and can't use PMs here, feel free to visit one of my sites and send me a contact message through there.

      I use HostGator for my sites. Wordpress and the plugins I use work great on their servers, plus their support is excellent.

      I have not done overly detailed Wordpress tutorials yet, although it is something I have considered. I am in the midst of making videos that show how to make these niche affiliate sites, but I'm not entirely sure when those will be finished.

      I've been an Amazon Associate for close to four years now.

      Feel free to let me know if you have any other questions.


      Originally Posted by tanero View Post

      Really, clear and realistic guide I have ever read.
      Thanks a lot for your comments and kind words tanero.


      Originally Posted by srik12 View Post

      This thread is of huge help to a newbie like me.
      Thanks for all the help fellas.
      You're quite welcome srik12.


      Originally Posted by HarryPothead View Post

      Great advice indeed..I'm actually going to build my first website based on your niche selection advice. I'll keep you posted on the progress.
      Thanks again.
      Hi Harry,

      I'd love to hear some results from your site(s) . It's nice to hear when others have success using my methods.

      Originally Posted by CopyAcolyte View Post

      Hello, OP.

      Thanks for this guide.

      You said that any niche with over 30,000 website results will be too difficult to market. Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time finding any niche that doesn't return anything less than 50,000 search results.

      Maybe I'm not searching for the terms in the right way..

      But how should I go about finding a niche that has that little search results? It seems like there are too many Amazon review sites out there.

      Thanks.
      Hi CopyAcolyte,

      You don't want to perform a standard Google search and look at the search result numbers.

      One of the easiest ways to gauge keyword competition is with an allintitle search. I've given an example of what to search on Google below - just replace keyword phrase with your target keyword phrase.

      allintitle:"keyword phrase"

      For that search, I generally want to see less than 10,000 results to register a domain for that keyword phrase. That's really my upper limit here, so I'd really recommend as low of a number as possible for a first-time website (1000 or less is considered fairly low competition).


      Originally Posted by HarryPothead View Post

      Hi Ryan,

      I know you've heard it atleast HUNDRED time on this thread but THANKS.
      I can't thank you enough for many reasons. You actually gave me inspiration to get into affiliate marketing.
      I don't want to all thanky thanky and all..but this is the first thread I've subscribed to, first thread that I've finished from head to toe and first thread that made me sign up for WF. I've bookmarked your other keyword research thread as well.

      Ryan, I've combed your thread 2wice to get the depth of it. After reading I've some queries that I've mentioned in your visitor msg section..don't have 50 posts so can't PM. If possible kindly reply to them.

      Also I checked the "dogcratesize(dot)com" you mentioned..the one that has stolen your content. MAN!! the nerve of that guy..you are giving such an incredible info for free and that guy rather thanking you is taking advantage of your..thats not done people.

      i did notice that he/she even put the tag line of ur site as it is..and even though the domain is dogcratesize..the title reads dogcratesizeS..lol.
      Hi again Harry,

      I'll have to take a look at my visitor messages to see what you wrote there. The best way to ask me questions if you can't PM is to contact me through one of my websites.

      I appreciate your sincere thanks and everything else you said.

      It is sometimes a bit nerve racking when people take advantage of things like this, but I try not to let one bad apple spoil it for everyone else.



      Originally Posted by waywyrd View Post

      Hi,

      I also like to say thanks for this guide, and I've also purchased your course.

      Personally I think the course overdelivers for what you charge.

      But like CopyAcolyte's post:



      I run into the same problem, too many website results.

      Regards,

      Waywyrd
      Thanks for your kind words Waywyrd.

      I'm happy to hear that you feel like I over-deliver with my training course. Even though I know the information can help people earn nice recurring incomes, I still like to make it available for a price that's affordable for anyone.

      I responded to the other question above, so hopefully my response there will help to clear some things up for you.

      Originally Posted by Instantfruit View Post

      Brilliant post! (and thread)

      Thanks for sharing!
      You're welcome Instantfruit. Thanks for your comments.

      Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

      Ignore me as I copy and paste this and turn it into a WSO ;-)

      Joking aside, some serious good tips and advice for any Amazon affiliate starting out

      James
      LOL James. I have been told that I could've made this into a WSO instead of giving it away for free, but I know not everyone has money to invest to get started with something like this. Even though this thread isn't my entire plan for building Amazon affiliate sites, I tried to deliver a lot of great introductory information in this thread that should help a wide variety of people.

      Thanks for your comments.

      Originally Posted by msudawgs56 View Post

      Excellent Post
      Thanks a lot msudawg.


      Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

      Nice tips, it's a great idea to find products to promote that will be around the long term
      Hi dagaul,

      Yes, a lot of people will refer to these as evergreen products. Some products come and go, while others are a pretty safe bet that they will still be in demand many years from now.

      Although I do like building sites for evergreen products that will last long-term, I also like making sites for passing fads. Even though the site may not be making money a few years from now, some of those products become very popular for a couple of years and produce a lot of income.

      If you do target non-evergreen products, just keep an eye on trends, new development, etc for that type of product so you can stay on top of changes. In many cases, I've found that I can usually start a site for the product that will replace another product I've previously promoted that's not very popular anymore as long as I find out about that new product in a timely manner.

      Thanks again for everybody's comments.

      Ryan
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  • Profile picture of the author elitesalesgroup
    Hi!
    Quick Question. Do you think this wors better for review sites, OR can you do a strictly shopping site like a shopperpress?
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    Thanks for the guide, take into account many points to apply.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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    i know this thread is old but you are giving out bad info. always go for EMD and .COMs? i have sites with names that arent anywhere near the exact match of a keyword and i couldnt care if i got the .com or not, heck most my sites are .INFOs! and guess what? im still raking it in.

    so guys, when you read this, don't do exactly what the OP did, work with what works for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeyXoto
    For those wanting this in a good PDF format, just subscribe to Ryan on his website link.. I got a free eBook which details the above instructions good for referencing!

    Ryan this is a great thread and I thoroughly admire your method. It has helped me put me on track to findign niches; something I am finding super hard atm. Hopefully this will push me the right way.

    THANKS!
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    I read several articles, is indeed a good experience. Thank you very much!!
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