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This will not be news to many of you, but I wanted to put to use this example to show that you only need 1 backlink to give you PageRank.

This is what Spyglass shows for the site domsalumni-iitm dot org (a PR7 site):



The site has 10 backlinks going to it, but 6 of those are either missing or nofollow.

That leaves 4 backlinks that carry any juice. 3 of those are PR0, so you know that the only link that is carrying any real weight is the PR8. It comes from the homepage of a technical school in India.

I wanted to point this out just to show that all you need is ONE backlink to bring you a PR-whatever.
#&gt #> #backlink #pr7
  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Yes, it is possible to get some PR from just one link, but you are always better off getting multiple links to strengthen your PR because if this backlink drops, your PR will shortly follow.

    I always warn people before buying domains with high Page Rank, you need to check the PR is a result of multiple backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author brandonbaker
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Are you sure Seo Spyglass is getting all the backlinks from Yahoo Explorer?
      Yep.






      *Caveat: It may be possible that Yahoo isn't revealing all their links, but I find this pretty unlikely.
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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      Looking from a practical point of view, if you are a website for alumni of a top-notch academic institute (university) of the quality of IIT Madras, you are bound to have backlinks of those high classes most of the time. For those who do not know, IITs are the best academic institutes in India - the same as what MIT is to USA.
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  • Profile picture of the author alinak
    Yes i agree with brandonbaker.
    1 backlink from 9/8 PR is equal to 100 backlink from 0 PR.

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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by alinak View Post

      Yes i agree with brandonbaker.
      1 backlink from 9/8 PR is equal to 100 backlink from 0 PR.
      Not even close. 1 PR 9/8 link from a page is probably worth a few million links from PR0 pages
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      • Profile picture of the author panket
        if you are a website for alumni of a top-notch academic institute of the quality of IIT Madras, I want to get it.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

        Not even close. 1 PR 9/8 link from a page is probably worth a few million links from PR0 pages
        Which is why people have to stop the insanity about the number of backlinks.
        The sheer number of backlinks is not an indication of much.

        I have said for many years that I get high PR by concentrating on a handful
        of high PR links. Backlinks are in effect, proportional. Google does not count
        all. Some count more. Yet I do know that going viral is a good thing.

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  • Profile picture of the author CikaPero
    I have one question: what Firefox addon do you use to check page rank?
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  • Profile picture of the author zhangchen434
    Thank you .May be it is useful?
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  • Profile picture of the author jhonsean
    @brandonbaker Well explained. can we depend only on that one backlink that you have already discuss or more backlinks? I need to clear somethings.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    It likely won't keep that Page Rank the next time. There are tons of domains out there with high pagerank but where the backlinks have been removed. The domain may have Google TOOLBAR Pagerank, but the domain itself won't have linkjuice. In fact, this is one of the ways which people get scammed.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    Its clear. One PR8 backlink usually make the backlink of external links 6. And for example as i heard one PR10 backlink, makes it 8.
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  • Profile picture of the author mascomasco
    If I may understand post here,I really need a PR8 backlinks to have a PR of 6 or what? What of a backlink of PR 3 or PR2
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  • Profile picture of the author gocondo
    Thank you!!! I was looking for such an example. Any chance that the links existed in the past and later removed but Google still counts them?
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    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Hi guys... brand new to the forum. I've been here reading about a week. It's my new goal to learn SEO and many of my google searches kept leading here. So now.. expect a barrage of dumb questions from me for a while.

      Along the lines of this post... I've been trying to understand the process of how other sites rank well, I came across one that has me befuddled. I'd like some insight from you.

      astudentloandebt dot com (I can't post links yet) is a PR5 that looks like it was created this year. Using WebRank SEO, I see that it has almost no backlinks or pages indexed. I thought the secret to high PR was having a lot of backlinks? How does such a small site rank so well?

      Insight? Thanks in advance.
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      • Profile picture of the author brandonbaker
        Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

        astudentloandebt dot com (I can't post links yet) is a PR5 that looks like it was created this year. Using WebRank SEO, I see that it has almost no backlinks or pages indexed. I thought the secret to high PR was having a lot of backlinks? How does such a small site rank so well?

        Insight? Thanks in advance.
        The site actually has 86 links going to it. The reason why you see no links is because all the links are going to www.astudentloandebt.com, not astudentloandebt.com.

        Google sees these two sites as totally different when it comes to PageRank.

        And Spyglass reveals why it's a PR5:



        Notice that PR6 link from FastWeb. That'll do it.

        Also notice that all the links point to the www. page.
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        • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
          aha!!! Thanks a lot! You have taught me much in a very short time. Much appreciated!

          Kind of strange that WebRank SEO doesn't evaluate both www and non www!
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  • Profile picture of the author testdrive
    Hmm.. Thanks for analysis. I know that edu/gov sites are very valuable, but I certainly didn't know they can give you page one with just 1 link.

    edit: Wait, it's not edu, but it's a school. Strange.
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  • Profile picture of the author bfas
    Pagerank is a logarithmic scale (a curve). Fwiw:

    1 PR1 = 101 PR0
    1 PR2 = 555 PR0 = 101 PR1
    1 PR3 = 3,000 PR0 = 555 PR1 = 101 PR2
    1 PR4 = 17,000 PR0 = 3,000 PR1 = 555 PR2 = 101 PR3
    1 PR5 = 93,000 PR0 = 17,000 PR1 = 3,000 PR2 = 555 PR3 = 101 PR4
    1 PR6 = 508,000 PR0 = 93,000 PR1 = 17,000 PR2 = 3,000 PR3 = 555 PR4 = 101 PR5
    1 PR7 = 2,878,666 PR0 = 508,000 PR1 = 93,000 PR2 = 17,000 PR3 = 3,000 PR4 = 555 PR5 = 101 PR6
    1 PR8 = 15,818,412 PR0 = 2,878,666 PR1 = 508,000 PR2 = 93,000 PR3 = 17,000 PR4 = 3,000 PR5 = 555 PR6 = 101 PR7
    1 PR9 = 85,504,929 PR0 = 15,818,412 PR1 = 2,878,666 PR2 = 508,000 PR3 = 93,000 PR4 = 17,000 PR5 = 3,000 PR6 = 555 PR7 = 101 PR8
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    • Profile picture of the author brandonbaker
      Originally Posted by bfas View Post

      Pagerank is a logarithmic scale (a curve). Fwiw:

      1 PR1 = 101 PR0
      1 PR2 = 555 PR0 = 101 PR1
      1 PR3 = 3,000 PR0 = 555 PR1 = 101 PR2
      1 PR4 = 17,000 PR0 = 3,000 PR1 = 555 PR2 = 101 PR3
      1 PR5 = 93,000 PR0 = 17,000 PR1 = 3,000 PR2 = 555 PR3 = 101 PR4
      1 PR6 = 508,000 PR0 = 93,000 PR1 = 17,000 PR2 = 3,000 PR3 = 555 PR4 = 101 PR5
      1 PR7 = 2,878,666 PR0 = 508,000 PR1 = 93,000 PR2 = 17,000 PR3 = 3,000 PR4 = 555 PR5 = 101 PR6
      1 PR8 = 15,818,412 PR0 = 2,878,666 PR1 = 508,000 PR2 = 93,000 PR3 = 17,000 PR4 = 3,000 PR5 = 555 PR6 = 101 PR7
      1 PR9 = 85,504,929 PR0 = 15,818,412 PR1 = 2,878,666 PR2 = 508,000 PR3 = 93,000 PR4 = 17,000 PR5 = 3,000 PR6 = 555 PR7 = 101 PR8
      Where is your evidence that PageRank is calculated on a this scale? I've always read it was calculated on a log scale between 5 and 6. So, something more like this:

      PR0 - 1
      PR1 - 6
      PR2 - 36
      PR3 - 216
      PR4 - 1296
      PR5 - 7776
      PR6 - 46656
      PR7 - 279936
      PR8 - 1679616
      PR9 - 10077696
      PR10 - 60466176
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      • Profile picture of the author bfas
        Originally Posted by brandonbaker View Post

        Where is your evidence that PageRank is calculated on a this scale? I've always read it was calculated on a log scale between 5 and 6. So, something more like this:

        PR0 - 1
        PR1 - 6
        PR2 - 36
        PR3 - 216
        PR4 - 1296
        PR5 - 7776
        PR6 - 46656
        PR7 - 279936
        PR8 - 1679616
        PR9 - 10077696
        PR10 - 60466176
        I actually pulled that from a post Kelly Felix did on Bring The Fresh, but in doing some homework, it appears you're closer to the mark.

        Michael
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        • Profile picture of the author sbsb
          Originally Posted by bfas View Post

          I actually pulled that from a post Kelly Felix did on Bring The Fresh, but in doing some homework, it appears you're closer to the mark.

          Michael
          IME your original numbers are more accurate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Saleese Phillips
    Yeah it must be possible, i have 1 backlink and I'm on the first page of google. haha
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    You can get a PR(1-9) with ZERO backlinks to the page...if you redirect your old domain to your new domain properly.

    ummm maaah!

    SEO Spy Glass won't find that one!
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    • Profile picture of the author brandonbaker
      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      You can get a PR(1-9) with ZERO backlinks to the page...if you redirect your old domain to your new domain properly.

      ummm maaah!

      SEO Spy Glass won't find that one!
      Then you can even sell that freshly-made PR9 domain for a ton of money and after you collect your cash, remove the redirect!

      Oh wait.
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      • Profile picture of the author FredJones
        Yes, you got it spot on. Without naming any place, there is a famous forum (not Warrior, some other forum) that is infamous for this practice frequently seen by its members. It happens in other parts of the world too frequently enough. And not-so-hands-on people fall prey to this, shelling out huge cash. It is one of those horrible stinks out there.

        EDIT: Always run the "info:sitename.tld" on the domain on Google.com before buying it, to make sure that the pagerank is not fake. I hope I could help some of you by this piece of info!

        Originally Posted by brandonbaker View Post

        Then you can even sell that freshly-made PR9 domain for a ton of money and after you collect your cash, remove the redirect!

        Oh wait.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      There is no level of backlinks for the next level.
      Many of your backlinks do not increase PR. Many pages
      are ignored. Call it GD, Google's decision.

      How about PigeonRank? For a good laugh:
      Why Google's patented PigeonRank™ works so well
      When a search query is submitted to Google, it is routed to a data coop where monitors flash result pages at blazing speeds. When a relevant result is observed by one of the pigeons in the cluster, it strikes a rubber-coated steel bar with its beak, which assigns the page a PigeonRank value of one. For each peck, the PigeonRank increases. Those pages receiving the most pecks, are returned at the top of the user's results page with the other results displayed in pecking order.
      PigeonRank is google's response to the PageRankLoons.

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  • Profile picture of the author copycashvalve
    So then what is the point of a xrumer blast if all of those 0 pR links are useless Lol
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  • Profile picture of the author creativekone
    I'm very thankful to each and everyone for sharing and posting there own suggestion.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoforu
    Getting a link from a high pr website always help you to get rank.The point to note here is that how many OBL's are there on the page that is linking to you.This is what is worth looking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Most sites won't work like this. I swear there is some magic secret sauce in the Google PR formula because I have sites that have hundreds of high PR links and no PR in SEO Spyglass.

    Then I have sites like the one you've got.

    I think a lot of it is domain age. Older domains just naturally develop page rank for some reason it would seem.
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    • Profile picture of the author brandonbaker
      Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987 View Post

      Most sites won't work like this. I swear there is some magic secret sauce in the Google PR formula because I have sites that have hundreds of high PR links and no PR in SEO Spyglass.

      Then I have sites like the one you've got.

      I think a lot of it is domain age. Older domains just naturally develop page rank for some reason it would seem.
      Are your backlinks coming in the form of blog comments? Or are they editorial?
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    I'm also using the Live PageRank plugin. You may also install Google toolbar if you're using a Firefox browser.
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  • Profile picture of the author halfbakedrew
    there is alot of good info here. I have a few websites that rank high on google. One of them are in the first spot of google and it is a PR 2...And the others are PR0-1 and are on the first page as well. The sites that are under me are PR5 and up. I see people talk about PR has everything to do with seo but when it comes done to it, its all about backlinks. Backlinks from aritcles, rss, 2.0, and so on ...... You dont just need alot of one but some of everything, Im not going to lie I use software to rank on google so as far as where or how to im not sure but I can get things up by pressing a botton lol....Anyway I know what is needed to rank and just happen to know what programs help. But just like the next guy i still need help with some things and is always looking for the next thing.. Im still waiting for a program to help making backlinks that is not full auto, But noone has it or if you do pm me......I hope I helped someone here if not I tried...
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  • Profile picture of the author lior1970
    It make sense to get high pr from super higher pr 8/9... a nice analysis for me to learn more... Thanks for sharing this!
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