Profile backlinks horror

15 years ago

Originally Posted by junkdna

One thing that is annoying about those back-link services is that they say, we'll do XXX number of profiles, but when you look into those profiles, 30-40% will have no URLs pointing to your site.

Do the profiles have any links at all? It would be one thing if they're putting up somebody elses' links rather than yours or something else if their tool is simply being blocked by anti-spam efforts or simple forum moderation.

Remember that forum moderators have become increasingly tired of having their sites spammed with bogus profiles and are taking stronger measures to block profile links, especially automated ones.

Originally Posted by junkdna

I am even using a service that is just doing indexing, they have BLE blog network set up. That seems not to produce any results at all, after 10 days.

10 days is a short amount of time since it can, in some cases, take longer for some domains. Also, there could be problems with the domain ranging from an improper configuration to previous, yet unremoved, penalties that keep it from being indexed.

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princewally

15 years ago

I take the links and post them on my blog network to make sure they get indexed.

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paulgl

15 years ago

Originally Posted by princewally

I take the links and post them on my blog network to make sure they get indexed.

Aint gonna happen. You can't make google do anything.

I would not bother with "buying" 1,000 profile links from any service.
They are spam. Nothing more. The value of them would be small to
begin with.

There should be some watchdog, supervising these services.

It's buyer beware. Best thing is to avoid them. There are no guarantees.
I don't know how far the WF has cracked down on such services here, but
there are some warriors who will do a bang up job.

Paul

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junkdna 15 years ago

ok paulgl, than what is your method? If you are not using mass this-or-that approach?
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princewally

15 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

Aint gonna happen. You can't make google do anything.

Paul

Right. I can't force them to do anything, but I can set up a blog network that gets crawled every day or so and post the links to that network and find those links are indexed within a few days every time.

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by princewally

Right. I can't force them to do anything, but I can set up a blog network that gets crawled every day or so and post the links to that network and find those links are indexed within a few days every time.

Shhh....you'll make his head explode with logic and reality.

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

Aint gonna happen. You can't make google do anything.

I would not bother with "buying" 1,000 profile links from any service.
They are spam. Nothing more. The value of them would be small to
begin with.

Paul

Epic fail again. Reason number 101 why no one should listen to PGL when it comes to seo.

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thomarv29

15 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

Aint gonna happen. You can't make google do anything.

I would not bother with "buying" 1,000 profile links from any service.
They are spam. Nothing more. The value of them would be small to
begin with.

It's buyer beware. Best thing is to avoid them. There are no guarantees.
I don't know how far the WF has cracked down on such services here, but
there are some warriors who will do a bang up job.

Paul

I agree, buying just one type of link is a terrible idea, you need alot of link and keyword variation to make the best of your link building strategies. If your looking for quality backlinks ODesk and backlinkteam.com are your best bets as you get an offshore team managing your link building and they are all manual links and some junk auto generated links that have no value. Hope that helps.

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CatalinIcs

15 years ago

If you pay just 10 USD for 1000 links, this will be the only effect. The quality it has it's price. You must pay for a good service or you must search for references of the link-builders.

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junkdna

15 years ago

I did pay something like $100 for 1,000 links. But that was only about 400 profiles with say 2-3 links each.

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miranon

15 years ago

Originally Posted by junkdna

I did pay something like $100 for 1,000 links. But that was only about 400 profiles with say 2-3 links each.

100$ for 1000 forum profile links?

I wouldn't pay even 10$ for it.

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junkdna 15 years ago

Originally Posted by miranon

100$ for 1000 forum profile links?
I wouldn't pay even 10$ for it.

that is an easy thing to say. they need to be done manually, that is why they cost so much.

What would be more effective than forum profile links.
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- Alex Barboza 15 years ago
  
  Subscribe to dripfeedblast.com and you will get 1000 links daily for less than 100 dollars a month.
  
  Originally Posted by junkdna
  
  that is an easy thing to say. they need to be done manually, that is why they cost so much.
  
  What would be more effective than forum profile links.
  
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paulgl

15 years ago

I'm not saying don't pay for some backlinking. I would be leery of
a service that gets 1,000 profile links.

Here's my forum method. I find some high PR forums in the niche, and
some general ones. Less than 10. The forums need to be high traffic,
and moderation is limited. Like the WF. Sigs are a must and be able
to post links. You interact with the forum on a regular basis. I know
that sounds weird, but posting a few posts.

I also extensively use twitter, blogspot, and squidoo.

All of this builds authority, as well as other people linking to you.

Once you have on high PR website, the rest is downhill. You link off
of those.

IMHO, the less "mass" you use, the more personal it gets, and the
better juice.

$100 for 1,000 links would be worth it if they mattered. But as Bgmacaw
said, moderators are getting tired of being spammed. Each time an
auto script is developed, good forum owners tweak their signup and
user process. Plus, a lot of forums will never get a profile indexed.

If those 5 links are gold, you paid $100 for them. $20 a piece.
Not bad if they stick around and help. Again, IMHO, forum profiles
on forums that you never interact with, will disappear. Any forum
worth it's weight is going to do housekeeping and delete accounts
on a regular basis.

Scan the forum. There are some great warriors who will get you some
platinum links for that $100. Paying for links is not bad.

I have a 180 degree different take on links. When I get links, I am
thinking of traffic, not google.

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4morereferrals

15 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

I'm not saying don't pay for some backlinking. I would be leery of
a service that gets 1,000 profile links.

Here's my forum method. I find some high PR forums in the niche, and
some general ones. Less than 10. The forums need to be high traffic,
and moderation is limited. Like the WF. Sigs are a must and be able
to post links. You interact with the forum on a regular basis. I know
that sounds weird, but posting a few posts.

I also extensively use twitter, blogspot, and squidoo.

All of this builds authority, as well as other people linking to you.

Once you have on high PR website, the rest is downhill. You link off
of those.

IMHO, the less "mass" you use, the more personal it gets, and the
better juice.

$100 for 1,000 links would be worth it if they mattered. But as Bgmacaw
said, moderators are getting tired of being spammed. Each time an
auto script is developed, good forum owners tweak their signup and
user process. Plus, a lot of forums will never get a profile indexed.

If those 5 links are gold, you paid $100 for them. $20 a piece.
Not bad if they stick around and help. Again, IMHO, forum profiles
on forums that you never interact with, will disappear. Any forum
worth it's weight is going to do housekeeping and delete accounts
on a regular basis.

Scan the forum. There are some great warriors who will get you some
platinum links for that $100. Paying for links is not bad.

I have a 180 degree different take on links. When I get links, I am
thinking of traffic, not google.

Paul

So people cant rank using profile urls ?

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dburk 15 years ago

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

So people cant rank using profile urls ?

Hi 4morereferrals,

I reread Paul's post twice and couldn't figure out how you got that out of it. Could you elaborate please?
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- paulgl 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dburk
  
  Hi 4morereferrals,
  
  I reread Paul's post twice and couldn't figure out how you got that out of it. Could you elaborate please?
  
  I don't know either. Backlinks contribute to ranking. But backlinks that are low in
  value, don't get indexed, get deleted, etc., don't contribute no matter where they
  come from.
  
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PaulKennedy

15 years ago

I also do this service and when i create a forum profile there are on the page 4 links 9 ( to client site) and to index it I ping it and social bookmark it.

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Slin

15 years ago

Why in the world would it matter if they made them manually or not?

An automade link is the same as a handmade one.

With software you can add pictures, put an about me, i just don't see the advantage to doing it manually.

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dburk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Slin

Why in the world would it matter if they made them manually or not?

An automade link is the same as a handmade one.

With software you can add pictures, put an about me, i just don't see the advantage to doing it manually.

Hi Slin,

Perhaps I misunderstood the point of paulgl's post, I thought he was commenting about the quality of the content that is typically created through automated spam tools. You are right, it doesn't much matter if it's manual or automated as long as it is meritorious content. But spam is not meritorious content and creating profiles but failing to contribute anything of value to the site you slap up your profiles on is not meritorious.

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junkdna

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Slin

Why in the world would it matter if they made them manually or not?

An automade link is the same as a handmade one.

With software you can add pictures, put an about me, i just don't see the advantage to doing it manually.

I didn't know they can do them with software. I thought it is done with a small army of people.

Slin, are you doing this with some software?

Originally Posted by paulgl

I have a 180 degree different take on links. When I get links, I am
thinking of traffic, not google.

I agree to certain extent. but problem is that this is very time consuming. On other side thee are no service providers to whom you can delegate. I do not want to be stuck whole day, just blasting forum comments.

Additionally, to leave a link in a signature on WF one needs first to post 50 comments. On some other forums it is only 10 comments. That is lots of time, down the drain, for just one link.

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junkdna

15 years ago

The question which I would like to ask is, is there a service where they would leave a meritorious comments on Hi Pr forums?

I am more anoyed with profile links because they are so notoriously hard to get indexed.

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Sayed

15 years ago

Originally Posted by junkdna

The question which I would like to ask is, is there a service where they would leave a meritorious comments on Hi Pr forums?

I am more anoyed with profile links because they are so notoriously hard to get indexed.

I was searching in google for that now, but didn't find any clue!!
I hope someone can help us with this...
Also, do you really get backlinks from posting in forums?
I guess this forum is a nofollow links, am i right?

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wordpresstrainingpackage

15 years ago

The best approach to backlink building is not to depend on a single approach for ranking. Do a mix of all the backlinking methods and you will never be disappointed. Profile links have been over-used and the website administrators are daily taking measures to prevent spam. They include profile links in their robots.txt file in order to be ignored by the search engines. Another problem about profile links is that human internet users really visits them. Therefore, it may as well be a waste of time and resources creating them.

I would rather face other backlinking methods that I know would reward efforts. Blog commenting is still very good. Even if the blogs on which you make the comments create dofollow, human visitors to those blogs can still discover your site from there.

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Tom Goodwin

15 years ago

Originally Posted by junkdna

There should be some watchdog, supervising these services.

Maybe you want to live in big brother-land, but I certainly do not. Perhaps Allen should buy each WSO that promises $5,000 in your first week and if they don't get that they should junk the WSO too :rolleyes: As with anything, it is buyer beware. If there isn't a money back guarantee on anything you buy, it is your responsibility to research it first and see what others are saying about it. It isn't WF's responsibility to be your Daddy.

Tom

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Jordan Kovats

15 years ago

Does nobody check their Webmaster tools or Analytics accounts? Yes these links can get indexed, how much they count, who knows. You want profile links to count? Use the forum you left them in. Contribute, make a post, answer a question, ask a question, help someone. That is one of the main purpose of the forum. Participate, the links will stay.
And any service adding 1000 links a day, is not a drip. It is a penalty waiting to happen in my opinion.

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dburk 15 years ago

Originally Posted by theseoguys

And any service adding 1000 links a day, is not a drip. It is a penalty waiting to happen in my opinion.

Hi theseoguys,

There is no penalty for backlinks, not for too many, nor for too fast. And spam gets devalued no matter how slow you drip feed it.

You don't really believe that Google is fine with spamdexing, as long as you do it slowly, do you? Or that they don't like meritorious links to be created too fast?
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- Crew Chief 15 years ago
  
  Are your sure about your statement? Hmmmm...:confused:
  
  I mean really sure? I mean so sure that you might be willing to bet the house on it?
  
  Originally Posted by theseoguys
  
  And any service adding 1000 links a day, is not a drip. It is a penalty waiting to happen in my opinion.
  
  Are you basing your opinion on your opinion, or is your opinion based on SEO Case Study? And is it also your opinion if a web page gets over 10k in backlinks a day over an extented period of time, that site is going to be penalized, slammed de-indexed or otherwise slapped by Google?
  
  junkdna, re-read your statement because I just put it through my SEO comment translation software...
  
  Originally Posted by junkdna
  
  I am more anoyed with profile links because they are so notoriously hard to get indexed.
  
  Here is the translated version: junkdna is annoyed with profile links because he doesn't currently understand the nuances and ebb or flow of OFF Page SEO.
  
  Originally Posted by junkdna
  
  that is an easy thing to say. they need to be done manually, that is why they cost so much. What would be more effective than forum profile links.
  
  No service is building mass PLs manually! If they tell you they are, guess what? They are ________________!
  
  junkdna, your issue is, you jumped into the SEO ocean without learning how to swim amongst the Killer Whales, Great White Sharks, Blue Ringed Octopus and the Humboldt Squids.
  
  Consequently, you need to learn the deep waters before you get lit up again. Killer Whales will toy with you but those Humboldt Squids, Blue Ringed Octopus and Great White Sharks will make mince meat out of noobs with no compunction.
  
  Giles, the Crew Chief
  
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Tom Goodwin 15 years ago

Originally Posted by theseoguys

And any service adding 1000 links a day, is not a drip. It is a penalty waiting to happen in my opinion.

Time to go send 1000 free links to all of my competitors' sites. I bet I'll be numero uno by Christmas.:rolleyes:
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dadamson

15 years ago

Profile links are good, but they need to be used ethically by contributing to forum discussions.

Anyone who thinks that you can get any real SEO benefit in a competitive niche by mass profile linking is sadly wrong. Why would the SEs want to index a lonely profile page on a random forum from a guy that makes no posts?

I guess you could say a link is a link, but in my experience profile links have had little to no SEO benefit for me UNLESS regularly contributing to the forum.

It can actually be a great SEO tactic when you contribute regular posts to a forum. Even if you have to make the 10 post threshold to post a signature link, each post you make creates a link to your profile which then links to your site, so every post helps.

There is nothing wrong with mass profile linking, but please, go in and contribute to as many forums as you can on a regular basis.

You must also remember that profile/forum linking alone is a good method, but coupled with article marketing, blog posting, bookmarking and other methods will really ramp up your SEO efforts.

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paulgl

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dadamson

Profile links are good, but they need to be used ethically by contributing to forum discussions.

Anyone who thinks that you can get any real SEO benefit in a competitive niche by mass profile linking is sadly wrong. Why would the SEs want to index a lonely profile page on a random forum from a guy that makes no posts?

I guess you could say a link is a link, but in my experience profile links have had little to no SEO benefit for me UNLESS regularly contributing to the forum.

It can actually be a great SEO tactic when you contribute regular posts to a forum. Even if you have to make the 10 post threshold to post a signature link, each post you make creates a link to your profile which then links to your site, so every post helps.

There is nothing wrong with mass profile linking, but please, go in and contribute to as many forums as you can on a regular basis.

You must also remember that profile/forum linking alone is a good method, but coupled with article marketing, blog posting, bookmarking and other methods will really ramp up your SEO efforts.

-Dave

Watch that logic! You are heading for an epic fail!

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dadamson

15 years ago

Remember guys, everything is related to your competition! Go and analyse as much of your competition as you can to get a real idea on SEO. I strongly believe that the range of different beliefs and theories on SEO is directly related to competition.

For example, is the top 10 for your keyword are heavily concentrating on blog comments to rank highly, and you come in at page 5 doing blog commenting but then switch up your efforts to include profile linking and article marketing and you shoot to page one because of your link diversity, you may get the idea that blog commenting is worthless.

Same scenario goes for other link building methods, some things work better with different keywords and you need to study your competition and do what they are doing plus more.

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dadamson

15 years ago

LOL! I can't afford an epic fail!

Seriously though, you can find some very good information here, but I find that (the adsense/seo forum especially) has a lot of blind assumptions.

Always, ALWAYS do your own testing people.

What works for one person won't necessarily work for another, many factors involved.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by dadamson

LOL! I can't afford an epic fail!

Seriously though, you can find some very good information here, but I find that (the adsense/seo forum especially) has a lot of blind assumptions.

Always, ALWAYS do your own testing people.

What works for one person won't necessarily work for another, many factors involved.

DING DING DING we have a winner

I think some of the he-said/she-said BS comes from too many cooks in the kitchen. We all "know"... how the search engines work? I kind of doubt that.
Can one say, with certainty, that a "lone profile link" carries any less weight than a "lone" link on a relatively empty page, empty domain with no backlinks to it either?
With CERTAINTY, mind you. I firmly believe it is impossible to say anything with absolute certainty in regards to SEO (beyond just basic best-practices). And as soon as we do, it changes! :p
With testing, however, we can experiment and come to our own conclusions on methods that work for US, as individuals, and if asked, give our guidance. But I try to avoid presenting my observation as fact. I don't really debate SEO because I think your opinion (euphemistically) is just as valid as my own.
I'll call something out if it's obviously wrong (but most people beat me to it

), or if it is too presumptuous. Mostly because it is presented as "I saw it one time, so it's a fact".
We don't know everything about everything. The proverbial "we" can only learn and experiment.

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sijugk

15 years ago

I find many forum profile links counted as backlinks in my webmaster account. Anyway I do not think they are much powerful compared to the links from blog posts or even the forum signature. Basically I hate the idea to plant just profile links in a forum. At-least we should contribute a few posts (quality posts) in the forum.

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15 years ago

3 words for you, sir.

Drip. Feed. Blasts.

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junkdna

15 years ago

Wow, I always wanted to post a controversial thread, but this one surpassed all my expectations.

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paulgl

15 years ago

I made $180 yesterday alone selling links on my sites.
People buy because of the PR, authority, content, and targeted traffic.
Plus they know I work my butt getting those right. I will make a little
less than $10,000 this year doing that.

Forget the boot shaking about paid links. There are paid links and
then there are paid links. Google's empire is based on paid links.

If I was going to spend $100 on links, I'd spend it on links like that.

Seriously. That was my whole point. I'd never spend $100 on 1,000
profile links. But I would spend $100 on just 1 link on a similar site
like the above. Many sites will sell at $30-$50 a month. Some pay
more, some less.

I mean no disrespect for this comment: The fact that you came here
complaining about how lousy $100 for 1,000 profile links was, is
proof that it was a bad idea. But hey, that's just my opinion!

I also think that the time factor is not as bad as you think. I do
5-6 forums a day in my online mix.

Paul

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junkdna

15 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

I mean no disrespect for this comment: The fact that you came here
complaining about how lousy $100 for 1,000 profile links was, is
proof that it was a bad idea. But hey, that's just my opinion!

Paul, no problem at all. I am here to ask questions and listen to the answers.

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keyuria

15 years ago

I prefer you to do it yourself and if you need some backlinks from authority sites then just try this.
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-nofollow.html

It is free and you need not pay any dime.

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