What would you do with this power....

13 years ago

I would package it and sell it to a limited number of people like myself.

I would cap sales at 50 people, and then squeeze as much peach juice as I could from that peach.

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Ok,

How much do you want for the information?

I'll pat you on the back to, as often as you like.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by moonfish

Well if you can demonstrate that it works then you'll make a load of money. My instinct would be to code it, automate it and sell at a premium price. It sounds like a winner.

But keep in mind that if you give this to too many people, it may soon become a loophole closed and lose its power.

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TBInternetMarketing

13 years ago

So I see LMC hasn't made a comment on this since 17th December 2010 (almost 2 months).
So either:

1) Google have sent a hitman round to his house
2) He's sitting on an island somewhere counting his money
3) His sites dropped rank

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Chris Sweeney 13 years ago

It looks like his site is actually sitting at the #1 spot for "hooded fleece" and "hooded fleece jacket".
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  Originally Posted by Chris Sweeney
  
  It looks like his site is actually sitting at the #1 spot for "hooded fleece" and "hooded fleece jacket".
  
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TBInternetMarketing

So I see LMC hasn't made a comment on this since 17th December 2010 (almost 2 months).
So either:

1) Google have sent a hitman round to his house
2) He's sitting on an island somewhere counting his money
3) His sites dropped rank

Strange when he's been here today -

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Bill Farnham 13 years ago

I've tested it now on 15 sites, and I'm able to move a site from rank 500 to rank #1-#5 in literally 24 hours.

Google's 'personalized' search does the same thing for me.

I don't know why I didn't start using it sooner...:rolleyes:

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DNChamp

13 years ago

You prob already have an idea in mind thats why your teasing us with it already....Your already marketing it to us

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13 years ago

Ha DNChamp,

like the attitude... but no, I'm not really going to sell it, from being in this industry for a handful of years as TPW also said, I can safely say any loophole exploited for IM cash tends to die rather quickly.

Really I'm just looking for a pat on the back because it's one of those things you can't tell anyone...lol

So... no... this is no a WSO pre sale thread, just me being an ass.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Ha DNChamp,

like the attitude... but no, I'm not really going to sell it, from being in this industry for a handful of years as TPW also said, I can safely say any loophole exploited for IM cash tends to die rather quickly.

Really I'm just looking for a pat on the back because it's one of those things you can't tell anyone...lol

So... no... this is no a WSO pre sale thread, just me being an ass.

I am not looking to pat you on the back unless you send me a pm with a private share. LOL

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profitsforall

13 years ago

Goodness - someone has finally found the holy grail !!!!!

If I were you I would tell no one, other than one person with a forum username of profitsforall and milk this loophole for all it's worth.

Does this work for any site regardless of competition? e.g if it does, why wouldn't you just rank your sites for money making keywords and reap the huge benefits.

You could also offer this as a service - this way you don't reveal the technique to others but still make money (but I'd still prefer the 1st option).

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13 years ago

profitsforall,

as I have been. but that service idea is not a bad idea, however I would need access to your servers and root folders of the domain.

This is what I have been seeing with this method. It works with any competition, but you still have to have the right assets in your website. You need backlinks, but basically the method gives ALL POWER to your backlinks.

You ever have a site with 10,000 backlinks and still rank #555 in the top 1000.

Well basically, it gives all power to the 10k and you'll be #1.

If you only have 10 backlinks, you'll move, but not to the top.

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So What i did, is commented the poop out of a site till it reached 25,000 backlinks for a main money making keyword.

I got sandboxed, reevaluated whatever you want to call it real quick. But then did my little magic, and jumped all the way to the top with 5,000,000 competing pages.

So far 5 mill has been my reach.

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profitsforall 13 years ago

Well LMC,

Consider yourself truly patted on the back......

(whilst sneaky pickpocket rifles your pockets to discover the secret, so far I've just found pocket fluff)
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This thread is a bit like the "Emperor's new clothes", everybody discussing something that might not even exist!
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  I just feel like picking your brain! But seriously create a product/WSO and I'll buy it.
  
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13 years ago

Oh it exists....

here is a screenshot of one of them:

This was my first test on a keyword that gets 400 something searches a day.

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13 years ago

Well as he's not trying to sell us those fine looking garments (You mean you can't see them.... how foolish must you feel) then I don't see the problem.

I've seen some of LMC's other posts, and am pretty sure he's walking the walk.

Of course if someone was lying to get some attention I'd give them a pat on the back and a big hug anyway - they would obvioulsy need it.

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13 years ago

If you really want to see something crazy........

Type into google

hooded fleece jacket (#3) or you can try hooded fleece (#2)

You should see a .net sitting on the top there somewhere, what is on the site... I think nothing but an error.

How is that possible :p

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

If you really want to see something crazy........

Type into google

hooded fleece jacket (#3) or you can try hooded fleece (#2)

You should see a .net sitting on the top there somewhere, what is on the site... I think nothing but an error.

How is that possible :p

Thanks going to reverse engineer your website

I'm for real. :p

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LMC 13 years ago

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

Thanks going to reverse engineer your website I'm for real. :p

Let me know what you find?
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Kay King

13 years ago

LMC -

I did the search you recommended - and saw a .net.

Here's what is showing on that site

Error 404 - Not Found

The site itself shows - but don't see how it could make any money today.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

LMC -

I did the search you recommended - and saw a .net.

Here's what is showing on that site

Error 404 - Not Found

The site itself shows - but don't see how it could make any money today.

Hi Kay,

I think what he's trying to say is he got this site with a 404 error to #1. He did say there was an error here from the start.

I assume this is one of the sites he got moved up the rankings very quickly.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

If you really want to see something crazy........

Type into google

hooded fleece jacket or you can try hooded fleece

You should see a .net sitting on the top there somewhere, what is on the site... I think nothing but an error.

How is that possible :p

hehe - 404 error might not be the best form of monetisation though

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

If you really want to see something crazy........

Type into google

hooded fleece jacket (#3) or you can try hooded fleece (#2)

You should see a .net sitting on the top there somewhere, what is on the site... I think nothing but an error.

How is that possible :p

Ok, thats clever. I'm sold.

Have you made you mind up yet? Can you stop all this bloody teasing now?

What you're doing is the same as me parading past the local alchoholics anon. meeting with a ton of booze over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Richard Van

What you're doing is the same as me parading past the local alchoholics anon. meeting with a ton of booze over and over again.

Ha, that's hilarious. Might use that in a copy one day. If you don't mind
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  Originally Posted by LMC
  
  Ha, that's hilarious. Might use that in a copy one day. If you don't mind
  
  No problem. It's trademarked now though.
  
  You can get round that with a quick PM though!
  
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  OK, LMC, Give! You know you want to share it, like you have in previous posts.
  
  How about this...since you can't broadcast it to the world, why not auction it off! Secret G Powers for the top 10 bidders! Or you could give it away to the winner of a writing competition..."Why I most need help making Internet Riches?" haha.
  
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tryinhere

13 years ago

would you say that sometimes the answer is sitting in front of you the whole time and is there for all to see, but we all look past it and never notice it ?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by tryinhere

would you say that sometimes the answer is sitting in front of you the whole time and is there for all to see, but we all look past it and never notice it ?

The answer is definitely simple at it's best. Understanding how Google's robots read content is very key into figuring this out.

I would recommend searching Google's patents on their algo and robots released back in 2005, some valuable knowledge in there

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

The answer is definitely simple at it's best. Understanding how Google's robots read content is very key into figuring this out.

I would recommend searching Google's patents on their algo and robots released back in 2005, some valuable knowledge in there

I thought so > number one here above the rest and the answer my friend is blowin in the wind, for all to see if they look. / we may have found different things ? but all ends well. / not sure i get there as fast as what your doing though ?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

I would recommend searching Google's patents on their algo and robots released back in 2005, some valuable knowledge in there

I never thought of that. Your right though, tons of information! I found a list of their patents here: Google Patents :: ArnoldIT

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KatyaSenina 13 years ago

Google patents + 302 redirection + huge amount of backlinks = making me confused...damn this is hard :confused:
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13 years ago

LMC, this reminds me of the Riddler... everyone remember him?

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LMC left all the clues you need to figure this out. Here's the thing though, if you figure it out, please don't go publicizing it and thereby spur GOOG to make drastic changes to their ALGO because you know they will. If you doubt the veracity of that statement, just Google Vitaly Borker, Google IMMEDIATELY changed their ALGO as soon as they found out what he was doing.

This definitely IS NOT knowledge for the masses, IMHO.

Anyhow, you can get back to trying to solve the riddle...

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Originally Posted by Crew Chief

LMC, this reminds me of the Riddler... everyone remember him?

I think until people work it out, LMC should have a riddler avatar, a great game where people are guessing away, and from what i have seen several have probably already overlooked at least part of the riddle.
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

LMC left all the clues you need to figure this out. Here's the thing though, if you figure it out, please don't go publicizing it and thereby spur GOOG to make drastic changes to their ALGO because you know they will. If you doubt the veracity of that statement, just Google Vitaly Borker, Google IMMEDIATELY changed their ALGO as soon as they found out what he was doing.

This definitely IS NOT knowledge for the masses, IMHO.

Anyhow, you can get back to trying to solve the riddle...

Giles, the Crew Chief

Mind you... I don't think the "strategy" behind what Vitaly Borker was doing was the reason he was ranking well anyway i.e. using consumer review sites to get backlinks. Most of those sites are actually nofollow and a lot of them don't physically link to his website anyway.

The real reason he was ranking was because he had other links pointing to his site, and one in particular, ironically, from the nytimes!

So he wasn't even gaming the system like he thought he was anyway!

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Originally Posted by Matt.Lake

So he wasn't even gaming the system like he thought he was anyway!

That is the funniest thing about that story.

He could have continued for years with his top ranking, if he had only kept his damn mouth shut. But he decided that he needed to brag and rub people's nose in it.

And in his moment of lucid SEO philosophizing, he misunderstood the real reason for his rankings, and kept pushing the wrong technique to his own demise.

Because of his big mouth, he is now fully blacklisted in the G index. His business is done for. And now he has all those angry customers and interested law enforcement agencies.

And when it was all said and done, the Big G told the real reason he ranked so well -- a link in the NY Times talking about how he ha got sued!!
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mrdomains

13 years ago

Using the loophole on your own sites will probably bring in more dough than you could make from selling it (which might be a shortlived moneymaker once out).

So, if you don´t need the money from selling it, keep it.

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13 years ago

Kay,

Yea that site is not being monetized... check it in a few days once I monetize it. Been crazy building on Christmas niches this month, originally the site was sandboxed so I tested this "method" on it.

Technically it could be monetized today. But I've got bigger worries with the sites currently making money right now.

Tryinhere,

That looks more or less like a high PR backlink situation, definitely analyze those 15 backlinks to see where they are coming from. Also would like to know his On site optimization in comparison to the others

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Yusuf the Craftsman

13 years ago

on second thoughts, do case study and publish it. . . .in 24 hours? everyone needs a Christmas boost for their niches

ps: i like how you choose and think of them niches

Originally Posted by LMC

Kay,

Yea that site is not being monetized... check it in a few days once I monetize it. Been crazy building on Christmas niches this month, originally the site was sandboxed so I tested this "method" on it.

Technically it could be monetized today. But I've got bigger worries with the sites currently making money right now.

Tryinhere,

That looks more or less like a high PR backlink situation, definitely analyze those 15 backlinks to see where they are coming from. Also would like to know his On site optimization in comparison to the others

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Yusuf the Craftsman

13 years ago

as some one has said earlier, you have the holy grail. it really does come down to two options,

one, find a nice Christmas related niche, set up the product/sales page, and make serious bank,

two, this is the second option, or just the first option, in an advanced stage, write up a WSO of the loophole and how you utilize it, however, google will come across your WSO, and close up that loop hole, but the WSO will sell out as people love this one-shot solutions

either way mr LMC, the gods have given you your Christmas gift

keep us posted, good man

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Mark Brian

13 years ago

@LMC

Looking at the 404 site.
My guess is, you make the homepage a 404 page while backlinking it?
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Originally Posted by Mark Brian

@LMC

Looking at the 404 site.
My guess is, you make the homepage a 404 while backlinking?
PM me if I'm correct LOL

Errrrrrrrrrrr... sorry, the 404 has nothing to do with the method, it was just there because I had a page on the site that I deleted. and wordpress was still calling it.

If someone guesses it, I will tell.
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  If someone guesses it, I will tell.
  
  Well, let's see...
  
  You have "hooded fleece jacket" stuffed in there 10 times, and "hoodedfleecejacket" stuffed in there 18 times...
  
  This is like old school keyword stuffing, is it not?
  
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13 years ago

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divinity001

13 years ago

Holy crap. If I were you I would hire a ton of people to build websites for me NOW and then rank them all and monetize baby

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Definitely keep the secret to yourself.

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KatyaSenina 13 years ago

Hmm tricky, pagerank is zero, domainname is fairly new (about 2 months old) BUT there are a huge amount of backlinks pointing to it. Around 3,352 if I'm not mistaken. Has it something to do with those backlinks?

Haha I'm breaking my head over this.

Just wondering, does this completely go against everything we have ever learned about SEO? Obviously you're not doing much on-page optimization.

Yet it's not of much importance. Off-page optimization is what matters most and that looks pretty good. But still I can't get my head around exactly what it is that you're doing.
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13 years ago

Bill,

Where do you see that? Are you referencing the terms and privacy?

That's not it though

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Bill,

Where do you see that? Are you referencing the terms and privacy?

That's not it though

No, that's on your 404 page...

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Richard Van

13 years ago

high PR backlink situation, definitely analyze those 15 backlinks

Well my Market Samurai shows over 3000 BLP for your site.

Was Tryinhere on the right track? Come on, a clue?

KatyaSenina I'm guessing this is actually simpler than it looks. I don't know though!

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Well my Market Samurai shows over 3000 BLP for your site.

Was Tryinhere on the right track? Come on, a clue?

KatyaSenina I'm guessing this is actually simpler than it looks. I don't know though!

Same here, it should be the backlinks.

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Hmm
Sanboxed - magic recipe - full effect of links - serp jump

soft 404?

hmm
perhaps not a 404 at all?
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13 years ago

If your information is very good you could sell it.

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13 years ago

Hmm, did you backlinked your existing backlinks?

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Gail Sober

13 years ago

302 Redirection?

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13 years ago

Gail....

Part of the equation.

Katyna,

Backlinks are part of the equation.

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Originally Posted by LMC

Gail....

Part of the equation.

Katyna,

Backlinks are part of the equation.

Certainly it has nothing to do with all of the duplicate content, OR does it?

And yes, I am betting on something simple.
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13 years ago

OMG!!! I envy u so much...

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mozesteven 13 years ago

Hi LMC,

You inspired me when you have 235+ domains with outsources efforts to monetize it. Now you delivered another best thread to share about the 2 months age domains #1 at Google.

I am breaking my head. Can you please share the methode to us. Number of backlinks more than 3000. How to avoid sandbox nightmare? Exact keyword domain is the 1st factor.

Waiting your sharing man. I PMed you.

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theemperor

13 years ago

Lol I don't believe you!!

Prove it - get your blog ranked #1 for this term: "wikipedia" :p:p:p

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Gail Sober

13 years ago

Updated Date: 01-dec-2010
Creation Date: 20-oct-2010

DNS games?? pr hijacking?

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DannyDarwin

13 years ago

It might have a 404, but you've still got a valid feed with permalinks to existing pages.

/feed/

Just getting started... lol

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Michael Mayo

13 years ago

LMC, I made one change to one of my sites main page the other day and had some
really interesting results also.

The change not only effected my position in Google but also many of the other SE's.
Here is a graph showing the effects of the one simple change.

Is this the type of results you are also seeing?

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13 years ago

Hey Michael,

Method or not, are graphs would look pretty close to the same.

BTW, what rank tracking software is that? I'm liking it's style.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Hey Michael,

Method or not, are graphs would look pretty close to the same.

BTW, what rank tracking software is that? I'm liking it's style.

It's called Cute Rank. I love the ease of use and the reports it generates.

www.cuterank.net

I'll show you mine if you show me your's...lol
Umm...Secret that is.

Have a Great Day!
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

It's called Cute Rank. I love the ease of use and the reports it generates.

www.cuterank.com

I'll show you mine if you show me your's...lol
Umm...Secret that is.

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Originally Posted by Efrain Hernandez

I think you mean Free Keyword Rank Checker Tool for Google, Check Keyword Position on Yahoo, Bing ? cuterank.com goes to a godaddy parked page...

Ooops, Your'e right I typed .com instead of .net ...lol

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Kan

13 years ago

If you are serious then don't sell it. Target the toughest niches and bring them to page one. Fill it up with content and then put adsense with CPA. repeat this for every niche you can and soon enough you will make 5,000$ a day. Don't listen to these people, "sell a limited number", they want your secret.

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LMC

13 years ago

Kan,

My man, obviously I'm not selling the method... trick, whatever you want to call it. As of right now, I've only tested it reaching 5,000,000 in competition against 10,000 backlinked competitors so there is much work to be done.

What I'm waiting to see is what happens a couple weeks to a couple months after my trick, before I invest time...

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oneplusone 13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

What I'm waiting to see is what happens a couple weeks to a couple months after my trick, before I invest time...

I think people are missing this important point...
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Kan,

My man, obviously I'm not selling the method... trick, whatever you want to call it. As of right now, I've only tested it reaching 5,000,000 in competition against 10,000 backlinked competitors so there is much work to be done.

What I'm waiting to see is what happens a couple weeks to a couple months after my trick, before I invest time...

Hahaha... actually it's funny. I think I just realized what technique you are talking about

Maybe, maybe not.

Let me know -- is the answer so obvious -- that you can't see the forest because of the trees? If yes, then I know what it is.

Cheers,

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Banned 13 years ago

Yes but does it stick? When that Traffic Geyser came out it worked a treat too. I once grabbed the first 9 spots on Google for a pretty good commercial keyword - until Google woke up to what we were doing.

But let's see...if it's that good, you reckon some might pay you a G for the info? Capped at 200, say? If so...we should talk. I have a fiendish idea...

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theemperor

13 years ago

With the aforementioned site...

I noticed:

The URL is obviously the target keyword
Each link tag in the header contains the URL and therefore the keyword
A hell of a lot of <Link> tags in the header!!
Link rel=start and rel=alternate(2) also contains a title that is the keyword
The keyword as singular and plural exists in description and keywords
But not the title tag - that just has the singular k.w.
The page as presented to Google bot is the same as presented to Firefox, so no trickery in that aspect.

Backlinks from a lot of blogs, maybe used uniquearticlewizard?

But all in all I can't see what he is doing that is so special? But maybe that's the trick... Perhaps it is more to do with the keyword selection itself than what is done to the site.

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Alex.Fields

13 years ago

You can sell the package mate, or you can use it for your own and create some mini niche landingpages than use affiliate marketing to make some money. or you can share it for free on WF

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13 years ago

Metronicity,

Yea, I stated above... I got to wait till I see G's reactions to the site, as of now they still float in the same area, I mean the mentioned site in this thread has been there since Dec 8th, but that is still not enough time to tell.

Done this on 15 sites, so far only 1 has not stuck, so I'm trying to figure out why, and I think it has to do with outbound link ratio to content, which in the new G algo is ridiculously important.

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13 years ago

I found out the secret. It's that extremely attractive blonde on homepage

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Originally Posted by Kan

I found out the secret. It's that extremely attractive blonde on homepage

That is Gold.
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Matt Ward

13 years ago

Well, if the site has been up there since Dec 8, you've obviously deleted the entire site prior to that as there are 100+ non-existent indexed pages in Google now and the latest cached page I can see is Dec 2. Not really sure if that has anything to do with it or not.

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DannyDarwin

13 years ago

The pages are still there... just check the feed and follow the permalinks, lots of content but it doesn't seem very optimized for that keyword though...

However, there are 3900+ backlinks to the domain which is far more than the #2 and #3 has... they've got something like 10 or 20 backlinks to the page that ranks for hooded fleece jacket.

And the link to the feed is in the html-source, so the google bot could follow it that way.

There is also a robots.txt with the:

User-agent: *
Disallow:

which looks pretty pointless... but then again, it was a loophole, right?

Content + backlinks + exact keyword domain... loophole?

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13 years ago

Well, LMC, you just took down the feed and the content from the permalinks... any comment?

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13 years ago

Matt, and Crew,

Also note, that Google released the Algo change more of a statement in reference to Vitaly. However if you follow Google you will see the changes they made are very limited and in fact are "pending changes" not actual changes.

They simply can not utilize bad customer reviews as a ranking factor as it would lead to a flow of spam reviews, and there is no way to credit a "good" bad review to a "bad" bad review.

Thus, in reality, the algo changes simply is we are working on it.

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13 years ago

Danny,

Yea... I'm going to monetize the site lol

Have my developers working on it now... the feeds had nothing to do with it.

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DannyDarwin 13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Danny,

Yea... I'm going to monetize the site lol

Have my developers working on it now... the feeds had nothing to do with it.

Will be interesting to see if your rank holds once you change the content, nice case study

Thanks for the riddle, I now know more about "relationships meta data profile" then I knew 1 hour ago... lol
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Banned 13 years ago

Well, if I had a technique that I was pretty sure about, I would definitely not have started a thread like this. And I definintely wouldn't sell it as a WSO. I would just exploit the crap out of it and make a bunch of money.

Just from a quick look, I would say maybe you're just doing mass amounts of site-wide links all with similar anchor text. And possibly you might have 301 redirected some other sites to give it some extra juice.

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@LMC

Ok, ok, I will NOT charge you to listen to your idea.

Now go ahead and send me that PM explaining your 'loophole'.

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13 years ago

exact match domain, 3000+ links and low competition? Im surprised a site with so many links so quick is still up. Well done with the find, you can PM me how, I won't tell anyone...;-)

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Banned 13 years ago

Use the power fast and wisely before someone takes it away from you.
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13 years ago

On your site:

Code:

<meta name="norton-safeweb-site-verification" content="4xva5bev8-sr7lgkafgeadqmj-6eva9f67xb6lwhbddv7c3r9vij9of74m1hxeb3llnxysr9lc8zi43t9karhqu1y5jy1h-szipg-lh95yv39fdpn6krrcggcl7hb46h" />

what is that about?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Wide

On your site:

Code:

<meta name="norton-safeweb-site-verification" content="4xva5bev8-sr7lgkafgeadqmj-6eva9f67xb6lwhbddv7c3r9vij9of74m1hxeb3llnxysr9lc8zi43t9karhqu1y5jy1h-szipg-lh95yv39fdpn6krrcggcl7hb46h" />

what is that about?

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Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky

Google is your friend:
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Does that impact your SEO? Never thought about that.
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13 years ago

No it just impacts your listing in the SERPS.

When you are surrounded by 10 websites that are branded and have safe checkouts next to them all....

It's good to fit in.

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Joshua Rigley

Banned 13 years ago

I'd keep it to myself. And once I've had my fun with it, and I was SURE it was going to stay around for a while, I'd tell others about it. Not sure how much I'd charge though.

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13 years ago

XFN 1.1 profile

in the header profile tag

XFN 1.1 relationships meta data profile

This is a HTML microformat that adds semantic information to links, and essentially creates a "Quality of link" datatype - for example, Facebook's "Like".

Using these correctly can move your SEO very fast.

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Eager2SEO

13 years ago

I may be wrong, but .... I don't know if I buy it for the fleece site....maybe others.

I have software that deep searches links. I found this site when you released your dumbanddumber costume. I saw ranking close #1 a few weeks ago for that term and I starting building a similar template for it. I remember reverse engineering it and finding it is datafeedr. I then started to create a backend for linkshare feeds. I even wanted to buy a domain like yours with flannel in it.....but took something else.

Unless the girl is on two domains.......I have to check my logs to be 100% sure..its on another computer.

Maybe you don't want to tell us the real sites you found this with

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13 years ago

Eager2,

I don't get your comment.

Yes initially I was ranking well, but I backlinked the site into the grave into Google's Sandbox.

This entire post was about moving from 500 to the top, in 24 hours.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Eager2,

I don't get your comment.

Yes initially I was ranking well, but I backlinked the site into the grave into Google's Sandbox.

This entire post was about moving from 500 to the top, in 24 hours.

Yes, it's called building links.

Everytime I was "sandbox'ed" I just do an AutoPligg blast and I go back to Top 10 in 24 hours. Of course, there are other methods to build links.

Opps.! Did I leak your "secret"?

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Eager2SEO 13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Eager2,

I don't get your comment.

Yes initially I was ranking well, but I backlinked the site into the grave into Google's Sandbox.

Sorry, I didn't know that. I figured it was always ranking high and there was no special trick... I may have misunderstood that it suddenly shot up and was ranking low.

Funny, I had the same thing happen recently to 3 other sites, good rankings, completely dead for a week(700), then back up even stronger.
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eQuus

13 years ago

Beware of Google loopholes -- they're camouflaged mousetraps. You go in and out couple of times and then you go in one more time and Zap... your A-- is grass.

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13 years ago

Did you take redirect affiliate links away? I had hunch that adding that hurt my rankings.

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LMC

13 years ago

Al,

I don't think and AutoPligg would do it everytime in 24hrs... but I may be wrong. But that's not it. But nice tip.

Eager,

I did move my affiliate links off the page to get google to love me again initially.

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13 years ago

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13 years ago

I wonder why your contact and site map links in the footer lead me to your index...

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13 years ago

Diane,

Because they are worthless links right now.

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13 years ago

This thread has given me a very interesting idea or two...

Does this method take just a minute or two to implement once you're in the whole "sandbox" scenario?

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13 years ago

mattward...

hmmmm... 30 seconds was my fastest implementation.

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13 years ago

301 redirect every page/most pages on your website to your homepage/money pages. Then backlink your 301 redirect pages heavily because each page has a certain tolerance before it gets sandboxed by Google. By having multiple pages you are able to create more links at a faster pace, without the risk of getting sandboxed. Enjoy.

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13 years ago

Ahhhh....initital...

nice post. However a 301 redirect would be the wrong redirect to use. Well... I actually haven't tested it out because logically there is a better redirect and that would be:

301 - 57 + 58 = ???

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Ahhhh....initital...

nice post. However a 301 redirect would be the wrong redirect to use. Well... I actually haven't tested it out because logically there is a better redirect and that would be:

301 - 57 + 58 = ???

Why would it be a 302? 301's are the ones that pass the juice.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Hey,

So I think I found a loophole in the big G. I mean a serious loophole, and I really don't know what to do with the information because, as it is a loophole, it is a legal whitehat loophole.

What does the power entail?

I've tested it now on 15 sites, and I'm able to move a site from rank 500 to rank #1-#5 in literally 24 hours.

No joke.

So....

If you found this, would you package it off?
Keep it for yourself?
Let everyone know publicly?
Tell Google in good faith they will never ban or deindex a site of yours again?

I guess I'm just looking for a little pat on the back? But seriously, what would you do?

I'm not sure why you are asking this question. Pirates bury their treasure, Coke keeps the recipe in a vault. Exploit it for everything its worth. Don't even give a thought to sharing it. If you make a lot of money, give it to charity. Obviously, people would like you to share your secret so they can enrich themselves, but there is no real reason for you to sell the treasure map.

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Gail Sober

13 years ago

LMC, since a 302 is a temporary redirect, why don't you try killing the redirect and see how long you hold your ranking, switching back and forth as needed to see if you can maintain the ranking.

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13 years ago

Gail,

The 302 has been removed since Dec 8th....

302's will pass link juice, but it is a temporary redirect. This is the whitehat loophole. If google sees you 301 redirecting and placing it on and off multiple pages, things will be fishy since a 301 is meant to permanently move the contents.

While a 302 simply is a temporary redirect, generally used with Under Construction pages...

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13 years ago

Posted while I was typing....

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Hey,

So I think I found a loophole in the big G. I mean a serious loophole, and I really don't know what to do with the information because, as it is a loophole, it is a legal whitehat loophole.

What does the power entail?

I've tested it now on 15 sites, and I'm able to move a site from rank 500 to rank #1-#5 in literally 24 hours.

No joke.

So....

If you found this, would you package it off?
Keep it for yourself?
Let everyone know publicly?
Tell Google in good faith they will never ban or deindex a site of yours again?

I guess I'm just looking for a little pat on the back? But seriously, what would you do?

It is called a loophole for a reason! I say milk it dry first!

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ExRat 13 years ago

Hi LMC,

301 - 57 + 58 = ??

I read that as 301 - (57+58) rather than (301 - 57) + 58.

I was trying to figure out what the hell a 186 redirect was....

Duh!
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  So the main candy here is the 302.
  
  You simply 302 all the other pages to the homepage?
  
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  I read that as 301 - (57+58) rather than (301 - 57) + 58.
  
  I was trying to figure out what the hell a 186 redirect was....
  
  Duh!
  
  I can understand that, but you're obviously ignoring the proper order of arithmetic operations, where both + and - operations are worked through in sequence from left to right.
  
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paulie888

13 years ago

LMC, if you seriously think this is a major loophole that you could benefit from tremendously (if even for a while), then I'd keep it to myself for the time being!

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by paulie888

LMC, if you seriously think this is a major loophole that you could benefit from tremendously (if even for a while), then I'd keep it to myself for the time being!

Paul

I think he just let the cat out of the bag a few posts above.

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13 years ago

I guess what I was proposing was something like this:

The feeder site can be a new or aged domain. Then you would normally have "P" posts or pages internally linking to your homepage, but instead you would just 301 redirect everything to the homepage of the feeder site and then 301 redirect the domain to your main homepage.

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13 years ago

One other question, why are you going after 2 keywords that get 720 and 320 exact match searches per month that have competition of SEOC 1,060,000 and SEOTC 130,000 and SEOC 539,000 and 138,000?

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13 years ago

Hi Paulie888,

I can understand that, but you're obviously ignoring the proper order of arithmetic operations, where both + and - operations are worked through in sequence from left to right.

Rule 3: Lastly, perform all additions and subtractions, working from left to right.

I don't know how it works in your country and it's been a while since I was at school, but to the best of my memory in my country LMC's sum would have been classed as incorrectly written - it should have had parentheses to signify which operation is carried out first.

But regardless, there was a reason I said 'duh!' and used an embarrassed smiley.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Paulie888,

I don't know how it works in your country and it's been a while since I was at school, but to the best of my memory in my country LMC's sum would have been classed as incorrectly written - it should have had parentheses to signify which operation is carried out first.

But regardless, there was a reason I said 'duh!' and used an embarrassed smiley.

No worries, but that is why there are arithmetic rules to be followed when there are no parentheses involved, and the equation given is a perfectly legitimate one.

Just to let you know, as I've elaborated above, the proper sequence needed to compute that mathematical equation (when there are no parentheses given) correctly is to work on the addition and subtraction operations in the order that they are presented to you, from left to right.

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Hi Paulie888,

Fair enough, thanks for the lesson. I've learnt something new.
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13 years ago

302's will pass link juice

Actually, 302's TAKE the link juice, or they used to many years ago. That was a big exploit at one time but now the main search engines basically ignore them and treat them as 301's which is probably why it ranked, that and because they were internal redirects.

Might be worth un-redirecting and if you see a drop, redirect again. Maybe you can create a "stay on top of google" switch while flying a little lower under Googles radar.

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13 years ago

A lot of you are playing with gas and fire here with the Big G. Just my worthless $.02

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Originally Posted by ChickenMan

A lot of you are playing with gas and fire here with the Big G. Just my worthless $.02

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Gail Sober

13 years ago

The 302 has been removed since Dec 8th....

Missed that part before my last post. Cool, hope it sticks for you!

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jeffreyanderson

13 years ago

You've found something extraordinary, either sell it for insane profits or keep it for yourself and get the profits from getting your high ranks.

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agc

13 years ago

I can't believe people are actually debating the sequence of addition and subtraction as if it makes any difference at all.

Try this:

301 - 57 + 58 = ??

58 - 57 + 301 = ??

301 + 58 - 57 = ??

(301 + 58) - 57 = ??

301 + (58 - 57) = ??

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

I can't believe people are actually debating the sequence of addition and subtraction as if it makes any difference at all.

Try this:

301 - 57 + 58 = ??

58 - 57 + 301 = ??

301 + 58 - 57 = ??

(301 + 58) - 57 = ??

301 + (58 - 57) = ??

I agree, it is somewhat off topic.

On the other hand you've just given me 5 sums to work out.

We're not debating mathematical sequences anymore, we actually have homework.

Whats this thread about again?

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Rukshan

13 years ago

I will make 100 web sites and use same technique to promote products, Do CPA and Adsense.

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paulie888 13 years ago

Originally Posted by blog8491

I will make 100 web sites and use same technique to promote products, Do CPA and Adsense.

Scaling up is always a good thing to do when you have a solid concept to apply, and I think you have the right general idea there. Don't forget that you can scale up much faster and more extensively if you outsource, too.
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LMC

13 years ago

just to update:

Still on Top, 500 uniques in two days, and $60 in commissions is not so bad.

Hopefully this becomes a $30 per day site.

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Richard Van 13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

just to update:

Still on Top, 500 uniques in two days, and $60 in commissions is not so bad.

Hopefully this becomes a $30 per day site.

Well done chap,

Am I right in thinking this is primarily and temporarily 302ing all the pages to the homepage? I've been testing this with a few new sites of mine. I'll keep you posted, well, not if nothing happens.
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paulie888 13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

just to update:

Still on Top, 500 uniques in two days, and $60 in commissions is not so bad.

Hopefully this becomes a $30 per day site.

This is great. I'm sure that given your past tendencies, you're probably going to ramp this up and outsource the creation and backlinking of many such sites?
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theemperor

13 years ago

LMC -

Please create a blog, and journal your success with this technique. No need to reveal the method, or the names of the sites you create, but it would be interesting to see how much money you make out of it, and after the 'judgment day' when Google closes the loophole you can tell us what it was, and let us kick ourselves!

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LMC

13 years ago

Hey,

That would be nice... but I'm not very good at keeping up to date with blog, thus why I don't have my own personal branded blog.

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theemperor 13 years ago

Originally Posted by LMC

Hey,

That would be nice... but I'm not very good at keeping up to date with blog, thus why I don't have my own personal branded blog.

So please tell me, what is this thread's "Raison d'être"?
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Eager2SEO

13 years ago

That keyword looks like a sawtooth in trends. You will do well in the winter.

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tedwood

13 years ago

From what i can see you're using 302 redirects to the homepage to get more linkjuice ... AND your buying high pr links and placing them towards the money page where all the other backlinks are going.

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superSEO2011

13 years ago

This sounds great, I would package it up and sell to only 20 people but sell for a high price!

Let me know!

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dkpalmer 13 years ago

So what happened to the site and where does it rank now? I see it is not on the first page anymore. If you put the 302 back on would the site jump back up to the top?
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Dan B Rusu

13 years ago

I checked Google for both hooded fleece and hooded fleece jacket and don't see a .net anywhere. Has it recently dropped off?

Anyhow, what you've found yourself is really impressive. What would be even more impressive is if you were able to somehow come up with a way to make money from your find - by selling a wso - but at the same time not ruining this loophole for yourself.

You've already got a few buyers here, including myself.

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David McKee

13 years ago

FYI

302 Redirect and Search Engines

When a URL returns a 302 redirect, it means that the owner of this link asks users to continue to use this address as the redirect could be modified at some later time. The owner of the page pointed to by the redirect is not necessarily the same person and might not wish that its contents is presented as belonging to another web site.
The challenge for search engines is to allocate the content to the appropriate address.
If both addresses belong to the same domain, one can consider that the recommendation of the unique owner has to be followed.
When the addresses belong to different domains, Google and other search engines used to try to follow the rule suggested by RFC2616. This created many technical problems and potential conflicts related to intellectual property rights. After years of confusion, Yahoo and then Google decided to stop attributing a content to a URL of an external site.

as quoted from the "Internet Officer" -

As the part in bold says, if Google is not attributing the the content of the 302 redirect to the actual "external" site, then by default it may be attributing it to the URL of the redirect. If so, then the PR/SEO juice is attributed to that URL, despite whatever it is pointed to via the redirect.

Interesting.

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unhills

13 years ago

LMC,

is it a wordpress widget(link list or something) you use to create keyword backlinks and share it with thousands similar blogs?

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13 years ago

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BruceWood

13 years ago

I think the first thing you should do is organize a super-elite marketing conference around this discovery, and start a whole new life on the international lecture-circuit. What you have there is a career-maker!