SEO experts don't do back linking?

seoforu

14 years ago

May be you missed out something.On what basis are you telling this?What rankings have they achieved for their websites?

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pennynickels

14 years ago

I've read that more people / companies are either not using those meta tags or are not putting the 'real' values in those tags so that their competitors don't readily see them.

Instead, they are purchasing keywords. There are ways to find out which keywords they are spending their money on, but it takes knowledge way beyond clicking the 'View Source' link in browsers.

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socialbookmark

14 years ago

I think using meta keywords and meta description can't hurt the ranking of a website or webpage. Maybe using them can't help ranking of a page but i think using them is better.

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theentry

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Millerking

Hi guys,

Back linking is talking everywhere. But, i recently found 2 SEO experts' websites, they barely have any bank linkings(around 30, according to yahoo site explorer.). And they don't have meta keywords, meta description either.

Is the main stream misleading? Is the back linking and meta seo died out?

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But are those sites ranking high or how do you know if the sites belong to SEO 'experts'?

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cyas22 14 years ago

Wow this is definitely new to me. Have you searched their keywords and ranking? If this is true then there might be some new and effective ways of ranking in search engines without backlinks. This post just got me shocked...
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faceblogger

14 years ago

SEO without backlinking is like a river without water - Does not make sense!

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jenescavin 14 years ago

I think using meta keywords and meta description can't hurt the ranking of a website or webpage.
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superSEO2011 14 years ago

Originally Posted by faceblogger

SEO without backlinking is like a river without water - Does not make sense!

ha ha ha
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- FredJones 14 years ago
  
  Just because they are SEO experts does not mean that they will be doing SEO on each and every site that they would be party to. Are these the sites that they claim to have done SEO on? Do they rank for the keywords that they claim to have done their SEO on? Unless you know the answers to these, you would never know the underlying truth.
  
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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Bet you're talking about their own site, is that it?

If yes, that doesn't prove they do not backlink their customer sites. It's weird, but it doesn't prove anything.

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cyas22

14 years ago

it is also making me confused... it is the first time ive heard of no backlinks SEO?

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orvn

14 years ago

META keywords are obsolete and pointless. A different META description on each page is a good idea.

Care to show us these two sites and what keywords they rank for?

Originally Posted by pennynickels

Instead, they are purchasing keywords. There are ways to find out which keywords they are spending their money on, but it takes knowledge way beyond clicking the 'View Source' link in browsers.

Purchasing keywords? Are you sure you don't mean purchasing strong links with the keywords as anchor text?

A keyword is not some commodity which can be purchased.

And knowledge like what?

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SydneyFreelance

14 years ago

Originally Posted by orvn

META keywords are obsolete and pointless. A different META description on each page is a good idea.

Care to show us these two sites and what keywords they rank for?

Purchasing keywords? Are you sure you don't mean purchasing strong links with the keywords as anchor text?

A keyword is not some commodity which can be purchased.

And knowledge like what?

Yep

Also 30 PR 8 backlinks are better than 300 PR 0/1 backlinks. Numbers don't always mean something (Plus, Yahoo SE has been moody lately).

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jacksonlin

14 years ago

It depends.

My site about internet marketing I haven't started promoting it through SEO, but I have heaps of affiliate sites with thousands of links pointing towards them.

So if you did a backlink check my my internet marketing site, you'd get hardly any backlinks, but if you did it on my affiliate sites you'd hope you were not competing with me.

I just didn't want to start promoting my internet marketing site until I started making the big bucks in niche markets - unlike many internet marketers who claim to be making big money, but only in the make money online market!

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Wesley Atkins

14 years ago

Meta Keywords and Description tag are not factored into Google's algorithm...

The only thing that matters is links...

Quality is the most important factor when it comes to links, not quantity...

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cbpayne 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You really don't know what your talking about If you say that Google doesn't use the Meta-Description Tag.

They may use it in the SERPs display, but do they actually factor it in the SERPs ranking algorithm?
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- Eager2SEO 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by cbpayne
  
  They may use it in the SERPs display, but do they actually factor it in the SERPs ranking algorithm?
  
  Yes, it is the summary of your page. If your keywords are there for people to read wouldn't it make sense for Google to use it? I'm not saying to keyword stuff but your keywords should be mentioned once there.
  
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Wesley Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You really don't know what your talking about If you say that Google doesn't use the Meta-Description Tag.

I never said Google don't use the Meta-Description Tag.

I said (based on my testing and in my opinion) it is not a factor in their algorithm when determining your positioning in the results...

There is a big difference...

Originally Posted by yukon

In the screenshot above I did a search for wall street journal, you can see WSJ (Wall Street Journal) in Bold text?

If it wasn't a factor, they wouldn't bother bolding the text.

This is just to make the SERPS clearer for searchers...

Ultimately improving user experience

That in no way means that Google uses this as a factor in their algo...

Having said that, I make full use of this Tag and even test variations to improve my CTR by monitoring Google Webmaster Tools.. I believe it's important to give users the full picture of what your content is about by offering a compelling reason for them to click on your listing...

I spend more time making it compelling for a ClickThrough, rather than keyword rich hoping to improve my positions in the SERPS...

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Cataclysm1987 14 years ago

Has anyone figured out what the site is and the alexa rank for the so called no backlinks SEO expert?
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- Wesley Atkins 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  Ok? :confused:
  
  That's what I read...
  
  Not sure what you are trying to say to me there.. :confused:
  
  I don't think I could have said it any clearer...
  
  Google (sometimes) use the decription tag in the results view... However, its not used in their algorithm in determining postions...
  
  I found this, maybe this is a little clearer than my explanation
  
  From: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Google does not use the keywords meta tag in web ranking
  
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drew68

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins

Meta Keywords and Description tag are not factored into Google's algorithm...

The only thing that matters is links...

Quality is the most important factor when it comes to links, not quantity...

WRONG. Unless you have the algo printed in your back pocket, I wouldnt quote what you only surmise. Meta desc DOES have value, but it is very small/weighted lightly. Ive tested it personally and all things being equal, it does add value. It of course is used by most as a marketing tool, as it should be.

And to the OP- 1) YSE doesnt show all backlinks 2) there are many ways to HIDE backlinks..

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ablife 14 years ago

I don't think Yahoo explorer shows all the links they should, obviously more than Google would but I tested a site's URL the other day with YE and Back Link Watch and BLW showed more back links than YE did. So I wouldn't get too involved in looking at how many back links they have.
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cbpayne

14 years ago

Back on topic ... why would a profesional SEO want to necessarily build backlinks to their own site? Its a very competitive keyword and it will take a lot of time and effort to rank for, when that time and effort could go into their clients site.

Just becasue they have no or very few backlinks to their own site does not necessarily mean that they are an advocate of "no backlinks SEO".

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