SEO experts don't do back linking?

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Hi guys,

Back linking is talking everywhere. But, i recently found 2 SEO experts' websites, they barely have any bank linkings(around 30, according to yahoo site explorer.). And they don't have meta keywords, meta description either.

Is the main stream misleading? Is the back linking and meta seo died out?

Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoforu
    May be you missed out something.On what basis are you telling this?What rankings have they achieved for their websites?
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  • Profile picture of the author pennynickels
    I've read that more people / companies are either not using those meta tags or are not putting the 'real' values in those tags so that their competitors don't readily see them.

    Instead, they are purchasing keywords. There are ways to find out which keywords they are spending their money on, but it takes knowledge way beyond clicking the 'View Source' link in browsers.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    I think using meta keywords and meta description can't hurt the ranking of a website or webpage. Maybe using them can't help ranking of a page but i think using them is better.
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  • Profile picture of the author theentry
    Originally Posted by Millerking View Post

    Hi guys,

    Back linking is talking everywhere. But, i recently found 2 SEO experts' websites, they barely have any bank linkings(around 30, according to yahoo site explorer.). And they don't have meta keywords, meta description either.

    Is the main stream misleading? Is the back linking and meta seo died out?

    Thank you.
    But are those sites ranking high or how do you know if the sites belong to SEO 'experts'?
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    • Profile picture of the author cyas22
      Wow this is definitely new to me. Have you searched their keywords and ranking? If this is true then there might be some new and effective ways of ranking in search engines without backlinks. This post just got me shocked...
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  • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
    SEO without backlinking is like a river without water - Does not make sense!
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    • Profile picture of the author jenescavin
      I think using meta keywords and meta description can't hurt the ranking of a website or webpage.
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    • Profile picture of the author superSEO2011
      Originally Posted by faceblogger View Post

      SEO without backlinking is like a river without water - Does not make sense!
      ha ha ha
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      • Profile picture of the author FredJones
        Just because they are SEO experts does not mean that they will be doing SEO on each and every site that they would be party to. Are these the sites that they claim to have done SEO on? Do they rank for the keywords that they claim to have done their SEO on? Unless you know the answers to these, you would never know the underlying truth.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Bet you're talking about their own site, is that it?

    If yes, that doesn't prove they do not backlink their customer sites. It's weird, but it doesn't prove anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyas22
    it is also making me confused... it is the first time ive heard of no backlinks SEO?
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  • Profile picture of the author orvn
    META keywords are obsolete and pointless. A different META description on each page is a good idea.

    Care to show us these two sites and what keywords they rank for?

    Originally Posted by pennynickels View Post

    Instead, they are purchasing keywords. There are ways to find out which keywords they are spending their money on, but it takes knowledge way beyond clicking the 'View Source' link in browsers.
    Purchasing keywords? Are you sure you don't mean purchasing strong links with the keywords as anchor text?

    A keyword is not some commodity which can be purchased.

    And knowledge like what?
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    • Profile picture of the author SydneyFreelance
      Originally Posted by orvn View Post

      META keywords are obsolete and pointless. A different META description on each page is a good idea.

      Care to show us these two sites and what keywords they rank for?



      Purchasing keywords? Are you sure you don't mean purchasing strong links with the keywords as anchor text?

      A keyword is not some commodity which can be purchased.

      And knowledge like what?

      Yep

      Also 30 PR 8 backlinks are better than 300 PR 0/1 backlinks. Numbers don't always mean something (Plus, Yahoo SE has been moody lately).
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    It depends.

    My site about internet marketing I haven't started promoting it through SEO, but I have heaps of affiliate sites with thousands of links pointing towards them.

    So if you did a backlink check my my internet marketing site, you'd get hardly any backlinks, but if you did it on my affiliate sites you'd hope you were not competing with me.

    I just didn't want to start promoting my internet marketing site until I started making the big bucks in niche markets - unlike many internet marketers who claim to be making big money, but only in the make money online market!
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  • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
    Meta Keywords and Description tag are not factored into Google's algorithm...

    The only thing that matters is links...

    Quality is the most important factor when it comes to links, not quantity...
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      • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        You really don't know what your talking about If you say that Google doesn't use the Meta-Description Tag.
        They may use it in the SERPs display, but do they actually factor it in the SERPs ranking algorithm?
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        • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
          Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

          They may use it in the SERPs display, but do they actually factor it in the SERPs ranking algorithm?
          Yes, it is the summary of your page. If your keywords are there for people to read wouldn't it make sense for Google to use it? I'm not saying to keyword stuff but your keywords should be mentioned once there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        You really don't know what your talking about If you say that Google doesn't use the Meta-Description Tag.
        I never said Google don't use the Meta-Description Tag.

        I said (based on my testing and in my opinion) it is not a factor in their algorithm when determining your positioning in the results...

        There is a big difference...

        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        In the screenshot above I did a search for wall street journal, you can see WSJ (Wall Street Journal) in Bold text?

        If it wasn't a factor, they wouldn't bother bolding the text.
        This is just to make the SERPS clearer for searchers...

        Ultimately improving user experience

        That in no way means that Google uses this as a factor in their algo...

        Having said that, I make full use of this Tag and even test variations to improve my CTR by monitoring Google Webmaster Tools.. I believe it's important to give users the full picture of what your content is about by offering a compelling reason for them to click on your listing...

        I spend more time making it compelling for a ClickThrough, rather than keyword rich hoping to improve my positions in the SERPS...
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        • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
          Has anyone figured out what the site is and the alexa rank for the so called no backlinks SEO expert?
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    • Profile picture of the author drew68
      Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins View Post

      Meta Keywords and Description tag are not factored into Google's algorithm...

      The only thing that matters is links...

      Quality is the most important factor when it comes to links, not quantity...
      WRONG. Unless you have the algo printed in your back pocket, I wouldnt quote what you only surmise. Meta desc DOES have value, but it is very small/weighted lightly. Ive tested it personally and all things being equal, it does add value. It of course is used by most as a marketing tool, as it should be.

      And to the OP- 1) YSE doesnt show all backlinks 2) there are many ways to HIDE backlinks..
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      • Profile picture of the author ablife
        I don't think Yahoo explorer shows all the links they should, obviously more than Google would but I tested a site's URL the other day with YE and Back Link Watch and BLW showed more back links than YE did. So I wouldn't get too involved in looking at how many back links they have.
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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    Back on topic ... why would a profesional SEO want to necessarily build backlinks to their own site? Its a very competitive keyword and it will take a lot of time and effort to rank for, when that time and effort could go into their clients site.

    Just becasue they have no or very few backlinks to their own site does not necessarily mean that they are an advocate of "no backlinks SEO".
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