How important are keywords in the url? Please help.

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I just recently ended a partnership with my business partner. We are both going to remain in the industry.

About 90% of our business comes from search. Our old url did not have our product name in it, just our company name.

I am going to buy a new url and I was wondering how important it is to have the product name (i.e. toyotacameryprices.com vs. mattscars.com) as the url?

Do search engines give this any weight? especially if the most targeted keyword search phrase is "toyota camery prices".?

Those are just sample url's - not my industry.

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    In my opinion, yes, they do have weight. I always use my keyword phrase in the domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author designerjack
    Search engines like keyword domains for some reason. However, mattcars is sort of a branded domain name where you don't get much general search volume because it's not a specific search term that consumers look for.

    I would just go with a new URL and start fresh. At least you know what you build on the URL
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  • Profile picture of the author sierraandmo
    I have had more success with domain names that contain my keywords. Using keywords also lets me be less emotionally tied to and more objective about my website and what needs to be done to create success.
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  • Profile picture of the author PatriciaS
    Ah, Keywords -- the bane of my existence. It took me a very long time to "get it" about keywords and domains, but I now feel I have a decent understanding of what needs to be done. Others might disagree with me or have a different take (and they're certainly free to speak up and say so). This is MY understanding I'm about to share, the standards I use for myself (now).

    Keywords (and domains) are all about the search engines. Get a keyword for your domain with high monthly searches and low search engine returned results and you've got a winner. You can achieve rank much more easily and in fact, sometimes without doing anything else to get high rank on Google (back links, articles, forum mktg, etc.). I've proven that to myself. What you normally need to look for in order to do this is the so-called "long tail keywords."

    If you have a namebrand product that you sell, and you've achieved success in traffic from the search engines FOR that product, it would probably be very helpful to have that in your URL -- IF you can, if it's allowed by the mfgr., if you can think of a suitable keyword variation. But I don't think this is your only choice for success.

    If you're unfamiliar with in-depth keyword research -- and it sounds like you are, it would probably be a good idea to pay someone to do it for you. But be sure to pick someone who actually does know what they're doing, and has the tools (i.e., a number of different software keyword research products).

    Good luck!

    Patricia
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  • Profile picture of the author ClarkIke
    Thank you all for your input so far and so quickly!

    5 of 5 say "Yes" keywords in the url are important.

    I actually have about 6 long tail exact keyword match urls I want. Now I have to figure out which one to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeey
    I would say yes to your question, but as you know there are many factors for ranking in the serps. I have found that by having my main keyword in the domain with no stop words like The, at, my, etc.. it takes less effort to rank, by that i mean it has required less backlinking. Of course it will also depend on the strength of your Competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author ClarkIke
    Non of the URLs have stop words in them.

    Examples (not actual url):

    garagedoorpricing.com
    garagedoorprices.com
    bestgaragedoors.com
    buygaragedoors.com

    There are 6 total that I have found.
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    • Profile picture of the author shineyvee
      I'm quite new at this and didn't really check the keyword strength of the domain name I chose but I think it's quite good still. I'm interested to know then for my 3 word domain the searches are non existant however for different combinations of 2 of the words, the searches are high, so is this likely to be helpful? Also the 2 words used with one other word are also high. For example, using the bestgaragedoors domain name, good keywords might be:

      best garage
      garage doors
      best sliding doors

      So would bestgaragedoors.com be likely to do well for the above searches?

      I hope I make sense!!

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Spot the Ball
    It doesnt have to be exact IMO but it helps to have them in there.

    Ask yourself, Is this a longterm project or a fast buck project. Try and get the keyword in there but dont stress about "exacts", you might have to do a little extra backlinking, thats all.

    I have domains where the exact is taken but encompass lots of variations in the name for what people might search for. It don't look pretty but it works.

    Eg: bestfrankmoloneycdreview.blahblah

    I can rank for quite a few terms with something like that, just might take a little extra linking.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haphiza
      I would use the keyword in your domain name. It just makes sense.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        If your long tail keyword for an exact match domain seems like it would preclude you from adding additonal pages or topics to your site, then get something that has the market keyword in it. People can look at it and see that your site is about garage doors, but it doesn't have to be about pricing although there could certainly be some pages about pricing on your site.

        If you want the domains so that your former partner can't get them, that is a different story, and you might as well buy all you can think of and afford.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeanniegiordano
    In my experience, having a keyword in the url definitely helps with SEO ranking, but not to be overlooked is the credibility factor with the person who is looking for products in your niche.

    For example, if you are looking for a specific product, for example a specific Toshiba laptop, are you more likely to go to computersdirect.com or a website called l645d.com (with that being the model # of the computer you are interested in)?

    I would go for a keyword in the domain if possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarcoJardel
      An exact keyword match domain will pretty much guarantee you a top spot in Google for that keyword. It doesn't matter how much better the SEO of competing websites is. The domain carries huge weight in the current Google algorithms. It really is that simple - I could pick out hundreds of examples to prove it.

      The downside is that the domain doesn't look very professional for your business. I mean it's great to have an exact match keyword for these "sniper" sites that rely on search traffic only.

      However for a brick and mortar business you're hardly going to want to print toyotacameryprices.com on your business cards are you?
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      • Profile picture of the author ClarkIke
        Originally Posted by MarcoJardel View Post

        An exact keyword match domain will pretty much guarantee you a top spot in Google for that keyword. It doesn't matter how much better the SEO of competing websites is. The domain carries huge weight in the current Google algorithms. It really is that simple - I could pick out hundreds of examples to prove it.

        The downside is that the domain doesn't look very professional for your business. I mean it's great to have an exact match keyword for these "sniper" sites that rely on search traffic only.

        However for a brick and mortar business you're hardly going to want to print toyotacameryprices.com on your business cards are you?
        Good point Marco.

        Maybe I should buy those domains and use them as information sites that have links back to my actual site. I can drive traffic to the "toyotacamryprices.com" site organically and then market my actual site on it to drive people to "mattscars.com".

        I can repeat this process 6 times.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        Originally Posted by MarcoJardel View Post

        An exact keyword match domain will pretty much guarantee you a top spot in Google for that keyword. It doesn't matter how much better the SEO of competing websites is. The domain carries huge weight in the current Google algorithms. It really is that simple - I could pick out hundreds of examples to prove it.

        The downside is that the domain doesn't look very professional for your business. I mean it's great to have an exact match keyword for these "sniper" sites that rely on search traffic only.

        However for a brick and mortar business you're hardly going to want to print toyotacameryprices.com on your business cards are you?

        Nothing is guaranteed in the search algorithms except that if you are not a search engine you don't know what they are.

        Even if there are indeed 100's of exact match named domains that have rankings that are pretty good, there is virtually no way to know if there are thousands or even millions of exact name domains whose rankings are terrible.


        If you can get a exact matching domain name, and it makes sense and lets you conduct the business you want, then get it. But get something and get your domain up and earning you some money.

        The amount of extra effort it takes to rank a decently related domain as opposed to a perfectly matched up domain is negligible. And is certainly not worth getting hung up on.
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  • Profile picture of the author jushuaburnham
    Actually using keywords in domain names have only a little importance in actual ranking calculations - that’s been the case for years now. The positive effects people commonly noticed are the consequence of sites linking to the domain using the URL as anchor text - link text containing keywords is what helps the domain rank, not the actual appearance of the keyword in the domain name.
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  • Profile picture of the author bfas
    It used to be, particularly in less competitive areas and for longer-tail keyword phrases, it carried a lot of weight - enough so that an EMD (Exact-Match Domain name) by itself would often out-rank non-EMD pages that had more better backlinking & content. This was one of the reasons so many "x-factor" type sites did well, even with little content & backlinking.

    The last algo update in May reduced the weighting benefits of exact-match domains significantly.

    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author ClarkIke
      Originally Posted by bfas View Post

      It used to be, particularly in less competitive areas and for longer-tail keyword phrases, it carried a lot of weight - enough so that an EMD (Exact-Match Domain name) by itself would often out-rank non-EMD pages that had more better backlinking & content. This was one of the reasons so many "x-factor" type sites did well, even with little content & backlinking.

      The last algo update in May reduced the weighting benefits of exact-match domains significantly.

      Michael

      Michael - What last "algo update in May" are you referring to?

      I am a newbie, but not lost at bay. Google, Yahoo, Bing and others dont publish their "algo's" so how do you know what and when the last "algo" was?

      If you have an inside tip - I would love to discuss further.......
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      • Profile picture of the author bfas
        Originally Posted by ikehill View Post

        Michael - What last "algo update in May" are you referring to?

        I am a newbie, but not lost at bay. Google, Yahoo, Bing and others dont publish their "algo's" so how do you know what and when the last "algo" was?

        If you have an inside tip - I would love to discuss further.......
        There are plenty of indicators when Google makes major - and often minor - changes to their various algorithms, including comments from Google employees such as Matt Cutts. If you follow some of the various SEO and SEO-related forums, blogs, etc., this sort of thing is widely discussed.

        While Google doesn't say "we've made this change here, and this is now so-and-so", they do offer a sometimes surprising amount of information.

        That said, most of the information is from inference. However, there are enough people looking at and testing particulars, that some changes are pretty quickly discerned, and with enough people seeing similar things, there's general agreement on some of it.

        Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
      I wondered this same thing about two weeks ago so I did an experiment. I purchased a URL on December 11th (10 days) ago. The main keyword is the domain and it's a .org. I have done some backlinking/blog commenting and my page just hit Page one this morning. 10 days, some backlinking and I'm on page one. I want to get to that #1 spot though.

      This is for a local keyword so that is why I ranked so fast, but from now on I will try to get my keyword in the URL.

      It makes your day when you get to page one on just an experiment. Now it's time to shop the website
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      • Profile picture of the author ClarkIke
        Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

        I wondered this same thing about two weeks ago so I did an experiment. I purchased a URL on December 11th (10 days) ago. The main keyword is the domain and it's a .org. I have done some backlinking/blog commenting and my page just hit Page one this morning. 10 days, some backlinking and I'm on page one. I want to get to that #1 spot though.

        This is for a local keyword so that is why I ranked so fast, but from now on I will try to get my keyword in the URL.

        It makes your day when you get to page one on just an experiment. Now it's time to shop the website
        Great job Aduke! This gives me some inspiration.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
    I have used keywords in all of my domains. I have had great success when I do. It's a lot harder to promote a brand name that you created most of the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    Keywords play an important part in the indexing of your web site, as well as in the rankings with the search results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
      As important as it is, I would still take an aged domain over a keyword relevant domain any day of the week.

      If you can get both, that would be ideal, but that's my 2 cents on this issue.
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      • Profile picture of the author ClarkIke
        Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987 View Post

        As important as it is, I would still take an aged domain over a keyword relevant domain any day of the week.

        If you can get both, that would be ideal, but that's my 2 cents on this issue.

        Yes. i would pay 10 times the amount to register the name if it had some age behind it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbo
    If you check the source code on most sites it shows all the keywords and many sites have the keyword in the url.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfect
    Keyword in domain is a plus for now but not a whole picture as search engine might decide to change there game tommorow. So is always good to plan for long run.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      If keyword in a domain is such a huge seo boost, explain sites like
      kayak, zillow, amazon, wikipedia, craigslist, yelp, zoosk, monster, twitter,
      facebook, google, bing, etc.

      This explains why many who are wise choose the coolest domain available
      and go with it. It's why many, many SEO gurus choose theirname.com.
      They know what they are doing. Brad Callen, a decent fellow warrior, ranks
      quite nicely with bradcallen.com for internet marketing.

      Keywords in urls are different than in domains. People are used to silly domain
      names. Like why icanhascheezburger.com ranks for silly cat photos.

      You put keywords in a url, such as domain.com/keyword.php or something or
      other to tell people what the subpage is about. Canonical urls are best.

      But even without them, I have 2 blogs that do quite well for post which
      are like ?=657 or some such.

      Domain in keywords keeps domain resellers in business.

      Do a search for adsense tips. wolf-howl.com/michael gray own the niche.

      I guess when they were choosing a domain for a big internet marketing
      forum, the two biggest, warriorforum, digitalpoint, did not get the memo.
      Why would you not do likewise?

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        If keyword in a domain is such a huge seo boost, explain sites like
        kayak, zillow, amazon, wikipedia, craigslist, yelp, zoosk, monster, twitter,
        facebook, google, bing, etc.

        This explains why many who are wise choose the coolest domain available
        and go with it. It's why many, many SEO gurus choose theirname.com.
        They know what they are doing. Brad Callen, a decent fellow warrior, ranks
        quite nicely with bradcallen.com for internet marketing.

        Keywords in urls are different than in domains. People are used to silly domain
        names. Like why icanhascheezburger.com ranks for silly cat photos.

        You put keywords in a url, such as domain.com/keyword.php or something or
        other to tell people what the subpage is about. Canonical urls are best.

        But even without them, I have 2 blogs that do quite well for post which
        are like ?=657 or some such.

        Domain in keywords keeps domain resellers in business.

        Do a search for adsense tips. wolf-howl.com/michael gray own the niche.

        I guess when they were choosing a domain for a big internet marketing
        forum, the two biggest, warriorforum, digitalpoint, did not get the memo.
        Why would you not do likewise?

        Paul
        Wikipedia, Craigslist, etc....

        First off, these site names alone garner a gazillion search results and get a boat load of traffic without search engines. They also are well respected by Google and have very high page ranks. You're talking about some of the highest traffic sites on the web and they have MILLIONS of dollars to invest in marketing/SEO/Link building. They have thousands of quality backlinks.

        Nike.com, ESPN.com,etc...... these are very similar.

        But if you are a new business that doesn't have the millions of dollars to invest in a marketing/SEO campaign, getting a keyword into your domain name is good. When you type in a search on Google, you will see quite a few 1st page results with either that entire key-phrase or a portion of it in the domain name. However, your online business is certainly not doomed because you don't have a keyword in your domain name. Title tags and H1, H2 tags are equally important- if not more important- for inclusion of keywords.

        Type in "SEO Experts" into Google. Look at the domain names and title tags. You will notice a trend.

        It helps, but it is not everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    Originally Posted by ikehill View Post

    I just recently ended a partnership with my business partner. We are both going to remain in the industry.

    About 90% of our business comes from search. Our old url did not have our product name in it, just our company name.

    I am going to buy a new url and I was wondering how important it is to have the product name (i.e. toyotacameryprices.com vs. mattscars.com) as the url?

    Do search engines give this any weight? especially if the most targeted keyword search phrase is "toyota camery prices".?

    Those are just sample url's - not my industry.

    Thanks!

    Ike,

    There are 2 trusted articles I'd recommend, both from one of the biggest names in the SEO biz:

    Are Exact Match Domains Too Powerful? Is Their Time Limited? | SEOmoz
    SEOmoz | YOUmoz - 5 SEO Criteria for Evaluating a Domain Name



    Yes having the keywords in the domain helps - but there are many other factors SEs look at that you can over compensate in for the lack of keywords. Personally, I'd take a matured domain over an EMD for ranking purposes.
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    • Profile picture of the author ClarkIke
      Thanks for the links - they were very useful.

      Happy Holidays everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author ablife
    In terms of relevance which is the end goal in a search engines eyes, I'd say that is the most important factor. I think there are two types of domains, brand rich and keyword rich.

    Brand rich - You're focused on building a brand and not initially worried about doing well on the search engines, at least for now anyway. But you also have a little money to spend on SEO so it's fine.

    Keyword rich - You're aim is to rank highly as fast as possible in your market and hopefully spend the least amount of money on SEO. (This is my choice every time.)
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    Deleted... sorry. Will open new thread. Was a little off topic.

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  • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
    By the way, Brad Callen is able to use bradcallen.com because he is a known name and gets search results based solely on his name.
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  • Profile picture of the author chiwawa
    Keywords are very important in seo and its writing. It goes a long way in promoting your content.
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    To my understanding they can make a great difference. In my opinion it's one of the best on page optimization you can add but it really depends on what you're using it for. If it's a business I rather use a domain that fits the business well and short and friendly if it's a site meant as a landing page or marketing I rather use a EMD.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunnyca
    Keywords in the URL sometimes works, but not always. In general it depends more on your whole website, article title, backlinks, etc. My experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author maryparker
    Keywords in the url can possibly help SEO but more importantly they help to make the user experience better. If you are looking solely at a url (like for instance which tells you what the page is about.)
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  • Profile picture of the author samuel.johnson
    I think yes.

    If your company is well known then people will look for your company directly if not they won't.

    In that case giving the product name in the url is very much valuable.
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