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Anyone familiar with the strategy of using your competitors articles to build backlinks to your sites.

You get 1 article approved in Enzine Article... and send it via UAQ but with your links instead of your competitor links...

I know is not "white hat" or "ethical..." ---> my question is not about the morality behind this.

Anyone with any experience doing this?

Will this work?
#articles #bluehat #competitors #seo
  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    No, you will be picked up for plagiarism.

    Write unique content yourself if you want any long-term success in IM.

    What you are describing is not "bluehat" or whatever you want to call it, it's black-hat, plain and simple!

    Don't take shortcuts in IM, you need to do things properly and ethically if you want long-term success.
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    • Profile picture of the author JoeWunschSEO
      Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

      No, you will be picked up for plagiarism.

      Write unique content yourself if you want any long-term success in IM.

      What you are describing is not "bluehat" or whatever you want to call it, it's black-hat, plain and simple!

      Don't take shortcuts in IM, you need to do things properly and ethically if you want long-term success.
      Picked up by plagiarism by who? Copyscape? That doesn't mean anything, google will still index and count the links.

      Besides all it takes is every other word to be different to beat copyscape, TheBestSpinner can do that in 2 seconds automatically.

      Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

      Anyone familiar with the strategy of using your competitors articles to build backlinks to your sites.

      You get 1 article approved in Enzine Article... and send it via UAQ but with your links instead of your competitor links...

      I know is not "white hat" or "ethical..." ---> my question is not about the morality behind this.

      Anyone with any experience doing this?

      Will this work?
      I do not know about UAQ, but I spin PLR or ezinearticles using TheBestSpinner and then submit to a private blog network with my links, works perfect and most are crawled and indexed by google in minutes.
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      • Profile picture of the author dadamson
        Originally Posted by JoeWunschSEO View Post

        Picked up by plagiarism by who? Copyscape? That doesn't mean anything, google will still index and count the links.

        Besides all it takes is every other word to be different to beat copyscape, TheBestSpinner can do that in 2 seconds automatically.
        The original author can check it on copyscape and report the article to the article directory, they will often take it down within a few days, seen this happen many times before.

        If you are doing a dodgy autospin to every second word your link will count as a 'backlink', sure. But what does that mean?

        It seems you have the quantity mindset, not quality. Google can easily detect synonym based article spins and can often devalue your link. Google can also detect the CTR of a webpage, if your article is not getting viewed that often because google has not ranked it for the original keyword, google may or may not devalue the link further.

        I've noticed you have 'SEO' in your name, have you read the google patents yet?
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        • Profile picture of the author JoeWunschSEO
          Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

          The original author can check it on copyscape and report the article to the article directory, they will often take it down within a few days, seen this happen many times before.
          Like I said, I put these articles on my own private network of wordpress blogs, I own them, they can't be removed.

          Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

          If you are doing a dodgy autospin to every second word your link will count as a 'backlink', sure. But what does that mean?

          It seems you have the quantity mindset, not quality. Google can easily detect synonym based article spins and can often devalue your link. Google can also detect the CTR of a webpage, if your article is not getting viewed that often because google has not ranked it for the original keyword, google may or may not devalue the link further.
          I actually use both, quantity and quality, black hat and white hat, fast money and long-term revenue models. If you aren't experimenting and pushing the boundries, you are probably missing out on a lot of potential revenue.

          I have been doing this for many years and have tried thousands of methods. Just because I have experience with black hat methods doesn't mean that is ALL I do or even the majority of what I do....

          The point is, yes this works, and has been working for years, sure maybe one day it won't, all things come to an end.

          And you don't even have to point these links at your money site, you can use filter sites by building links to your links, etc, etc. Think outside the box.

          Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

          I've noticed you have 'SEO' in your name, have you read the google patents yet?

          Nope but that doesn't matter. SEO Stands for South Eastern Ontario, born and raised

          Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

          Creating your own articles or at least paying someone to write them has paid off better for me than stealing other peoples work
          That depends on what you are using it for.


          The original poster didn't ask if this was the best method ever, all he asked was does it work, and the answer is yes, it does.
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          • Profile picture of the author inlecture
            Can't argue with people who already have their minds set on a method which they think is acceptable...

            I think for the time required to write a 500 word article just write the article yourself.

            Stealing your competitors article and passing it off as your own is no different than me stealing peoples ideas here and changing the name to my own and selling them for profit. Plagiarism is plagiarism no matter how you put it.
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          • Profile picture of the author dadamson
            Originally Posted by JoeWunschSEO View Post

            I actually use both, quantity and quality, black hat and white hat, fast money and long-term revenue models. If you aren't experimenting and pushing the boundries, you are probably missing out on a lot of potential revenue.
            Well, whatever works for you I guess. If you have to steal intellectual property and use black hat techniques to make a buck, that's your choice..
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            • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
              Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

              Well, whatever works for you I guess. If you have to steal intellectual property and use black hat techniques to make a buck, that's your choice..
              Great point. A lot of low moral individuals out there.

              Wow, if you can't earn money legitimately without sacrificing your integrity, what does that say about yourself? I'm sure their parents are very proud of the person they raised.....
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              • Profile picture of the author bradlean
                By the way it really captures me on the headline.

                We all know that there is white hat and Black hat.

                Now Bluehat SEO?

                What does it mean? Or it's just a trick so that everyone would click on this channel and made a comment.

                I'm impress about the headline. There is a sense of call to action... Smart move huh!

                I don't understand what is blue.

                Hmmm... May be feeling blue... Lol
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            • Profile picture of the author .
              Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

              Well, whatever works for you I guess. If you have to steal intellectual property and use black hat techniques to make a buck, that's your choice..
              Please don't take this from a moral point of view...
              I'm talking from an SEO point of view

              Quoting Eli

              3. Submit Your Competitors Articles Only
              All those same articles on thousands of sites creates a massive duplicate content penalty opportunity. So the worst choice you can make is to go through the articles published on your site and submit them. In the middle of the bad choices spectrum would be to write unique articles and submit those. Unique articles are for pulling in seo traffic and thus they belong on your site and preferably nowhere else. You throw little fits when people steal your content, why would you willingly give it out? The wisest choice is to submit your competitors articles because if you're going to put anyone at risk for duplicate content you might as well put them not yourself. I've always said, there's two ways to rank: You going up or them going down. I own about 170 article directories as part of my basement. I understand how the article game is played. People aren't submitting articles to my sites because they want my directory to be the best smelling turd around. They want the links. I want the pages of content for link laundering and they want the links, that is what its all about and nothing more. No one owes me unique articles, nor is it doing them any favors to give them to me.
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              Source:

              Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics » Open Questions: When To Never Do Article Submissions

              so please don't give me the "moral" answer to the question... instead provide some insights from an SEO algorithm point of view...
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    • Profile picture of the author .
      Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

      No, you will be picked up for plagiarism.

      Write unique content yourself if you want any long-term success in IM.

      What you are describing is not "bluehat" or whatever you want to call it, it's black-hat, plain and simple!

      Don't take shortcuts in IM, you need to do things properly and ethically if you want long-term success.
      that means you don't really understand what Blackhat is all about... I'm afraid
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  • Profile picture of the author DJ DeMarco
    This unethical method, but some webmaster out there use this technique, but they will spin this article to produce a bulk articles for their backlink building task...
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    • Profile picture of the author .
      Originally Posted by Bmarket View Post

      This unethical method, but some webmaster out there use this technique, but they will spin this article to produce a bulk articles for their backlink building task...
      Again, I'm not talking about ethical or not ethical

      you are selling a service
      EDU Blog Creation Service - Get Your Own EDU Blog - Only For $ 47 / Blog -

      Not very ethical is it?
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      • Profile picture of the author dadamson
        Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

        Again, I'm not talking about ethical or not ethical

        you are selling a service
        EDU Blog Creation Service - Get Your Own EDU Blog - Only For $ 47 / Blog -

        Not very ethical is it?
        Ok, ethics out the window.

        I believe it would work from a purely SEO point of view, I know, because I have tried it before. But lasting results never came from it. - Unless you host the articles yourself, in this case I strongly believe Google would find out your strategy and discount your links as part of its algorithm.

        Short term SEO results are fine, but I would not trust the results for long term though, there are plenty of other SEO methods that you can use that will set a strong foundation for your websites. They are also not much more difficult than just stealing.

        After the effort you go to to find an article, steal it, spin it, and submit it. Why not create your own 500 word article, spin it, and submit to multiple directories in an article submitting software?

        This is what I do with brilliant results. I wouldn't need to steel other people work to rank.

        But hey, as I said before, if it works for you, and you don't mind stealing, then I understand where you're coming from. I just wouldn't endorse it.

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  • Profile picture of the author mark587905
    If your going to spin, why not write your own articles and spin them.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    By the time you factor in all of the things google can do, it's always better to build backlinks ethically long term. Creating your own articles or at least paying someone to write them has paid off better for me than stealing other peoples work
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    It would probably work with some article directories that are on auto approve, but you would get banned at the major ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davioli
    Mirriam Webster:
    STEALING
    a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully <stole a car>
    b : to take away by force or unjust means <they've stolen our liberty>
    c : to take surreptitiously or without permission <steal a kiss> d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of <steal the show>

    Wikipedia:
    THEFT
    In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent

    PLAGIARISM
    Plagiarism is defined in dictionaries as "the wrongful appropriation, close imitation, or purloining and publication, of another author's language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions, and the representation of them as one's own original work."

    Use any definition you find suitable. I find it ironic that you start a thread and seem to so passively mention that taking someone's content is ok. Its not an ethical or moral issue, its illegal and wrong on so many levels.
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  • Profile picture of the author bay37
    Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

    Will this work?
    Yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    I agree - the headline pulled me in. But was it good content? Some.

    Very much agree with creating original material. It gets stolen and I think we have to accept that there's so much stolen content about that you can tolerate about 3%. And the recovery of most of that isn't worth the effort of pursuing.

    bluehat bluefart blueloo. Whatever you call it - it's blue.
    Screw the different timescales - this is for life, yes?

    "Quality" is always the word that shines in these threads. Now where's that copy of "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" ?
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    • Profile picture of the author .
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      I agree - the headline pulled me in. But was it good content? Some.

      Very much agree with creating original material. It gets stolen and I think we have to accept that there's so much stolen content about that you can tolerate about 3%. And the recovery of most of that isn't worth the effort of pursuing.

      bluehat bluefart blueloo. Whatever you call it - it's blue.
      Screw the different timescales - this is for life, yes?

      "Quality" is always the word that shines in these threads. Now where's that copy of "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" ?
      I didn't pick the color mate

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  • Profile picture of the author .
    hi Dave
    I love how in the warrior forum we are all full of emotions... it seems that everything is personal.

    I never said I'm doing it and It works for me... but I find interesting the idea posted by Eli at BluehatSEO

    I don't need help regarding Ranking... in fact if you are in Australia go and google "SEO consultant" , "SEO training" or "SEO packages" . mmm it seems achieving 1st position is not very difficult.

    The point was to start a intelligent conversation regarding the theory in question.

    Regarding you point of
    After the effort you go to to find an article, steal it, spin it, and submit it. Why not create your own 500 word article, spin it, and submit to multiple directories in an article submitting software?

    Let me see... my guys in the Philippines can collect 60 articles in 1 hour.
    TheBestSpinner can spin that articles in 30 minutes.
    We can submit that articles in UAW, Article Ranks and AMA in the next 2, 1/4 hours.

    Amount of time spent... 4 hours for 60 spinned articles in circulation... (mm a bit faster than writing 60 articles if you ask me).

    Do I do this ?
    NO
    Do I advise people to do this?
    No.

    But anyone that is really into the SEO industry, needs to understand the relevance of evaluating data, and experimeting.

    Do I suggest to do this for clients?
    No.
    Do I suggest do do this for your Money site?
    No.

    But may be... gosh, just may be... by testing we have a bit more valuable information that "maybes" or "you shoudn't do that".

    At the end of the day data provided by TESTING is a bit more valuable in the SEO field that data provided by emotions...


    thanks for stopping by.
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

      At the end of the day data provided by TESTING is a bit more valuable in the SEO field that data provided by emotions...
      Good thinking. However, I don't think anyone is going to share more info with you than Eli already has.

      From a purely technical point of view:

      Article posting for SEO is a no no. (or at least should be)
      If your competitors are using articles for links and are outranking you - then going with what's described in the article makes perfect sense. (seeing as the whole process can be 95% automated).

      Now from a competitive standpoint:

      For any competitive niche you will have to use more than one SEO technique to gain rankings. Article submission is one of many strategies.

      You cannot lose by doing what's described in the article - results from stealing and re-submitting articles are very comparable to submitting completely fresh articles (providing that you are playing in a tough niche).

      If your competitor goles on a rage fit and start reporting your articles for removal - well good luck to them, because that is a lot of time/effort wasted.

      Match and exceed (if needed).

      Now, I'm not saying that you should do it. It depends on what niches you're playing in, what kind of money you're making and what your goals are. This whole moral/immoral argument is a bunch on nonsense, and here's why:

      I know a lot of large eCommerce website owners and they all hire/are hardcore technical SEOs. They hire/outsource when they don't have time to do all the work themselves anymore. Some of them have been dominating SERPS for years (in their extremely "white-hat" niches). They have used and still use every single SEO technique on this planet, because the competition is fierce. It's brutal. They have never been "penalized" for being "immoral".

      Those are websites that some of you guys use weekly/monthly. You want to be like them. You quote them as examples of a cool/great "white-hat" businesses. Think about it.
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