I'm in the SandBox!!!!

50 replies
  • SEO
  • |
Well, I'm a newbie first of all.
I started to build a site one month ago, Google index my site long time ago, recently started to rank my site. I jumped from page 32 to 25 slowly. The keyword I'm targeting has a medium competition, 500 searches a day. I was happy that Google finally started to put my site in SERPs. I didn't pay much attentions to Yahoo and Bing rankings. This morning, I happened to search my keyword on both of these search engines. Wow! my site rank #1 in Yahoo, #3 in Bing. My first response is that, SANDBOX!! is real.

1. Can someone has the same experience tell me how can I get out of sandbox quickly? I can't wait to see my site to rank firs page in Google.

2. I used Market Samurai to do my keyword research. The keyword should bring me 200 visitors a day from Google if I rank first. What number of visitors do I expect to get from Yahoo for ranking first?
#sandbox
  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

    2. I used Market Samurai to do my keyword research. The keyword should bring me 200 visitors a day from Google if I rank first. What number of visitors do I expect to get from Yahoo for ranking first?
    39 per day from Yahoo.
    Signature

    Dan's content is irregularly read by handfuls of people. Join the elite few by reading his blog: dcrBlogs.com, following him on Twitter: dcrTweets.com or reading his fiction: dcrWrites.com but NOT by Clicking Here!

    Dan also writes content for hire, but you can't afford him anyway.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096443].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author El Zorro
    Some people that know waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than me think that sandbox effect does not exist.

    Just one more Internet Marketing myth?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096449].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sibster
    can some one please explain in easyenglish what sandbox is i keep hearing it and wondering what it means thanks.
    Signature

    How we saved our marriage and how you can save yours.

    http://savingamarriageinfo.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096455].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author BinBinWu
      Originally Posted by sibster View Post

      can some one please explain in easyenglish what sandbox is i keep hearing it and wondering what it means thanks.
      I did do some search on this topic. A new site is going to be putting in Sandbox by Google, also means that you are not going to rank well for a long time, until you gain trust of Google, or you can wait for 6 months to get out of sandbox.
      But there gotta be a way out, I'm still trying to figure out.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096492].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Margo Tuul
      Here you go:
      Sandbox effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


      Originally Posted by sibster View Post

      can some one please explain in easyenglish what sandbox is i keep hearing it and wondering what it means thanks.
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096737].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author ago
      Some of the ways to get quick out the so called "SANDBOX"

      -Send your sitemap to Google Webmaster tool
      -Build Quality backlinks
      -Be aware of Robots.txt on your site, which prevent search engine robots (spiders) from crawling specific pages in your website.
      -Quality content in your site
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097184].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author ago
      Originally Posted by sibster View Post

      can some one please explain in easyenglish what sandbox is i keep hearing it and wondering what it means thanks.
      Sandbox: Prevents new sites from ranking well for competitive search terms. Normally your site stays there for up to 3 months

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097199].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author salidoskarlos
    Commit to sending regular quality links to your site on a regular basis. Not too many links but rather on a regular basis.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096516].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author RealEcon
      Originally Posted by salidoskarlos View Post

      Commit to sending regular quality links to your site on a regular basis. Not too many links but rather on a regular basis.
      Follow this and you will be ranking again in about two weeks. Steady Link Velocity gets you out quick. I suggest "set and forget" automated daily backlinks like Drip Feed Blasts or Blast Bank;-)
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3099455].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author RuneE
    Hello there. Just thought I should help you understand the sandbox effect...
    Even Google denies the existence of the sandbox. We have come to the understanding that there is "something" similar to a sandbox IN Google when for instance backlinking to a site is beeing done, too fast that is... To prevent this you should link up tp the highest PAGERANK sites you find. Three per day in the beginning or so. Overdoing it will get you sandboxed. How I define the term? Antispam from -Google?

    "The only way to go about it is to wait or buy a high pagerank domain which was an expiring one and link directly to it. I have not tried this but it is said to work."

    Anyway when you have your site high in Google the one day and the other day page 16 then DO NOT PANIC. Googlebots will check your site you know. If you then choose to build backlinks like crazy then you will use a long time getting back to your ORIGINAL position. Take your time and do only minor changes. The sandbox was a warning Give it two or three weeks and it will get back up. Maybe even sooner... Or worst case scenario later. Nevertheless it will get back up.
    Signature
    Get The Free Free Exclusive Report: "Dirty Little Secrets Of Internet Marketers www.leap.runeellingsen.com/dirty-little-secrets

    Read the exposed review of the ONE time tested money making method: runeellingsen.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096679].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author BinBinWu
      Thanks for the tip, I will try.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096720].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Wait a minute. The whole thing makes NO sense. I mean none.

    You have a month old site.
    Then claim that google indexed your site a LONG TIME ago.
    Go further to say that you are slowly climbing.
    End the post with being near the top in yahoo/bing.

    Then claim you are sandboxed????????????????????

    On what planet?

    Oh how I wish there really WAS a sandbox....

    Paul
    Signature

    If you were disappointed in your results today, lower your standards tomorrow.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096855].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author BinBinWu
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      Wait a minute. The whole thing makes NO sense. I mean none.

      You have a month old site.
      Then claim that google indexed your site a LONG TIME ago.
      Go further to say that you are slowly climbing.
      End the post with being near the top in yahoo/bing.

      Then claim you are sandboxed????????????????????

      On what planet?

      Oh how I wish there really WAS a sandbox....

      Paul
      Sandbox only exist in Google, therefore I'm ranking high in yahoo, but low in Google is a clear mark that I'm sandboxed by Google
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097330].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

        Sandbox only exist in Google, therefore I'm ranking high in yahoo, but low in Google is a clear mark that I'm sandboxed by Google
        How do you figure? You have a month old site that ranks???? On google?
        And that means you are sandboxed? Where?

        What's the sandbox?

        The disappointment webmasters feel when Google's stupid algorithms don't appreciate their site. It can't be them so it must be Google's fault.
        Paul
        Signature

        If you were disappointed in your results today, lower your standards tomorrow.

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097382].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Look4VGames
        Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

        Sandbox only exist in Google, therefore I'm ranking high in yahoo, but low in Google is a clear mark that I'm sandboxed by Google
        Your arguing with paul, your obviously not going to win, i tryed to do it when i first joined the forums.. yea it didnt work, he knows his **** you should probably take advice from him.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3098094].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Havenhood
          Here's a piece of advice...

          Stop worrying about things that you can't control! It will only drive you crazy.

          Sandbox or no sandbox, just keep doing the things that you know works (without trying to cheat the system) and you will eventually get the results you want.
          That's it!

          Sandbox only exist in Google, therefore I'm ranking high in yahoo, but low in Google is a clear mark that I'm sandboxed by Google
          It's common to rank well for a while. Google tests your click rate and other unknown factors. Afterward, you're on your own and will have to earn your way to the top.
          Signature

          --= -Spazzle- =--

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3098136].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      Oh how I wish there really WAS a sandbox....



      I need to give Dr. Saulat and his amazing sandbox protection charms a rest so that everyone else doesn't start using them to defeat the Google sandbox.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097734].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author petesankey
    I have possibly experienced "reverse sandbox", one of my sites was at the top of google when it was initially indexed (albeit for a not particularly popular keyword) when it had no backlinks, and then fell in the rankings. I have got sites to page 1 in the first few months for keywords. The keywords I target initially are usually under 10000 hits/month so maybe that is why.
    Signature

    For all your salon supplies salon furniture, and salon professional hair equipment and supplies.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3096970].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author warrior495
    i personally think that the sandbox effect exists. I would recommend that you continue developing your website and building some links slowly over time. You should eventually come out of it without any problems.. It really just takes time my friend.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097008].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Matt Helphrey
    Here's a piece of advice...

    Stop worrying about things that you can't control! It will only drive you crazy.

    Sandbox or no sandbox, just keep doing the things that you know works (without trying to cheat the system) and you will eventually get the results you want.
    Signature
    My Advanced SEO Blog
    ---------->Search Engine Optimization Tips<----------
    Absolutely No BS!
    Rank #1 For Most Keyword Phrases
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097101].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Look4VGames
    Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

    Well, I'm a newbie first of all.
    I started to build a site one month ago, Google index my site long time ago, recently started to rank my site. I jumped from page 32 to 25 slowly. The keyword I'm targeting has a medium competition, 500 searches a day. I was happy that Google finally started to put my site in SERPs. I didn't pay much attentions to Yahoo and Bing rankings. This morning, I happened to search my keyword on both of these search engines. Wow! my site rank #1 in Yahoo, #3 in Bing. My first response is that, SANDBOX!! is real.

    1. Can someone has the same experience tell me how can I get out of sandbox quickly? I can't wait to see my site to rank firs page in Google.

    2. I used Market Samurai to do my keyword research. The keyword should bring me 200 visitors a day from Google if I rank first. What number of visitors do I expect to get from Yahoo for ranking first?
    the sandbox isnt real GTFO
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097114].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author SamWilsonLaw
    Hogwash re: "SANDBOX!! is real."

    Never seen Google label anything with "Sandbox."

    Having heard both sides of the story, I'll believe it when I see it. If you could point us to the Google web page showing the "Sandbox" it'll put this debate to final rest.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097384].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    The sandbox IS real. I know this because one of my sites got in it. Never happened with my other sites. I know I'm right - prove me wrong.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3097761].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    The sandbox is a myth. Its just an excuse used by those with crap sites that can not get them ranked.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3098000].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author macodiam
    If you do not want this domain you can sell it to me.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3098137].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author BinBinWu
      Which domain lol
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3098261].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
    One of the possible reasons for getting sandbox by Google is probably getting too much same type of links(same sources) too quickly for a new site.

    To get out of sandbox quickly, you just need to get links from authority sites like ezinearticles.com, press release sites and other high PR sites which can prove to Google that your new website is trusted by authority sites.
    Signature
    FREE Ebook - Discover The Secrets Of Generating $260,957 Sales In 5 Days!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3098280].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ameerulislam10
    BinBinWu what do you think you have done some thing rapid which could be the reason for being sandboxed?

    Sandboxed= Google Penalty

    Why would any one say it doesn't exists.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3099417].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author RealEcon
    Originally Posted by salidoskarlos View Post

    Commit to sending regular quality links to your site on a regular basis. Not too many links but rather on a regular basis.
    Follow this and you will be ranking again in about two weeks. Steady Link Velocity gets you out quick. I suggest "set and forget" automated daily backlinks like Drip Feed Blasts or Blast Bank;-)
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3099463].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rain21
    sandboc FAQ
    Google Sandbox FAQ

    We cant tell 100% how to get out from sandbox quickly, but u can do some off site seo, like link building to make the procedure faster
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3099584].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author espresso
    I have a site like that
    Ranks no 1 in yahoo and bing

    Does not appear to be in the top 1000 in Google

    I really hate google
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3100292].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author dyke
    The site is just dancing around in Google Search. Just make Quality backlinks regularly.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3100312].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ablife
    I'm not a believer in the "sadbox". It's purely just quality of links coming back, although Google do throw some anomalies out there. I think you should concentrate on some highly relevant back links using your target keyword and two variations of that keyword, so you're getting back links for three keywords to the same domain. This will work. What links are you getting right now?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3100320].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author bertyounger
    Frankly, you need to chill and let a little time elapse. The more you thrash around the more you prolong the so-called sandbox effect which is really Google trying to figure out where to rank your site, i.e. short term phenomenon or a real mover.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3100325].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Thank God you're talking about the Google Sandbox!!! I imagined you we're a surfer and got smashed into a sandbox while surfing a shallow and heavy sandbar!!

    Dude, relax.

    THERE IS something where Google puts some sites to get fresh air. New sites especially. Perhaps is sandbox, perhaps it's just a corner on the street where sites have to prove they deserve to be seen.

    Whatever.

    Work the site focused on WHAT people want - he'll be seen and grab good rankings.

    Have a blast in 2011!!

    Fernando
    Signature
    People make good money selling to the rich. But the rich got rich selling to the masses.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3100332].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by ameerulislam10 View Post

      BinBinWu what do you think you have done some thing rapid which could be the reason for being sandboxed?

      Sandboxed= Google Penalty

      Why would any one say it doesn't exists.
      Because a true google penalty would be a de-index.
      Rewarding other sites is NOT a penalty. Liking other sites more is NOT
      a penalty. In order to actually get a penalty, YOU would have had to have
      done something, NOT google.

      If you think being ranked #25 after a month is a friggin penalty, then what
      does that say about the poor sap who ranks #26? #50? #75? They must have got
      the double-secret-sandbox!!!

      I hope Fernando does not mind me picking this out because it's pretty good:
      perhaps it's just a corner on the street where sites have to prove they deserve to be seen.
      Paul
      Signature

      If you were disappointed in your results today, lower your standards tomorrow.

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3100475].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        They must have got the double-secret-sandbox!!!

        Toga!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3100819].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author simpleonline1234
          I have to agree with Paul and Fernando on their previous comments....You site is still very new.

          Give it time and build more pages on your site and get some quality backlinks from authority sites to those pages and the other pages on your site.

          Build consistently with backlinks and page content.

          Here's something to remember:
          At first new sites will go through a delay process until google can find your site and determine where it needs to be. As you toss links to the new site Google will move your site up/down. Over time your site will level out and have a more solid grounding to be placed. From there your site will slowly start to move up (depending on what your competition is doing because as they move up....you either move up or down).
          Signature
          Check out deals
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3101011].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    I've got a couple sites currently bouncing around as well. One of them will show up on the 1st page of Google for a day or two, then disappear for a couple days and come back even higher. In the past week, it's bounced from the first page to the 7th page to the 3rd page, then back to the first page.

    It's frustrating if you haven't been through it before, but keep building quality links and putting good content on your site and it'll find its spot in the rankings as it ages a bit.
    Signature

    "A bargain is something you don’t need at a price you can’t resist."
    -Franklin Jones

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3101953].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
    It's funny, I've found that the more links I have to my site, the less the 'sandbox' seems to exist...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3101970].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    It sounds like you are basing your assumption that you are in the "sandbox" on the fact that you are ranking high in Yahoo and Bing but not in Google, however the algorithms used to rank sites are vastly different.

    Just because you rank high in Yahoo does not mean you will rank high in Google, therefore I think your assumption may not be correct.
    Signature
    Gone Fishing
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3101976].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    Whether there is a sandbox or not, no one can really say. But there definitely is what's called "google dance". This is where you'll bounce around the search results for awhile until Google can figure out where to place you. Settling down with only come as the site matures.

    The most important thing is to try and build links consistantly, and to try to get matured domains if possible.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3102089].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author robcole
      Hi Guys,

      The "sandbox effect" is actually a filter where Google will stop you ranking as well until it decides what to do with your site. This is very similar to the Google dance , but will do it for your whole site. It does this mainly on new sites to stop spammers.

      This could be down to a number of factors such as changing your sites seo or building links too quick.

      Keep building links and your ranking will come back eventually.

      Rob
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3224393].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
    Originally Posted by BinBinWu View Post

    Well, I'm a newbie first of all.
    I started to build a site one month ago, Google index my site long time ago, recently started to rank my site. I jumped from page 32 to 25 slowly. The keyword I'm targeting has a medium competition, 500 searches a day. I was happy that Google finally started to put my site in SERPs. I didn't pay much attentions to Yahoo and Bing rankings. This morning, I happened to search my keyword on both of these search engines. Wow! my site rank #1 in Yahoo, #3 in Bing. My first response is that, SANDBOX!! is real.

    1. Can someone has the same experience tell me how can I get out of sandbox quickly? I can't wait to see my site to rank firs page in Google.

    2. I used Market Samurai to do my keyword research. The keyword should bring me 200 visitors a day from Google if I rank first. What number of visitors do I expect to get from Yahoo for ranking first?

    Well if it's any comfort, I'd gladly join you in the sandbox.

    I have the opposite problem. My site is 3 months old and I rank decently on Google, but Yahoo and especially Bing I feel I am non-existent.
    Signature

    Check top 300 Google SERP results free. WhatsMySERP.com tracks and graphs changes for multiple domains/keywords/regions. Also includes advanced keyword density tool.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3224438].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author VAIL
      I feel like I may have got put in the sandbox, or slapped in some way, below is my situation let me know what you think.

      - The site is about 4 months old.
      - I got it on the 1st page for my keyword after about 2 months.
      - It maintained between the 5-8th position for the last 2 months.
      - Last week, I started doing a lot of social bookmarking and a little article submission.
      - This week my site went to #278 in rankings...

      The only thing I can figure is; since I hadn't done much social bookmarking before, that I did too much all at once and it raised a red flag.

      Any thoughts on this situation? :confused:
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3247997].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
        Originally Posted by VAIL View Post

        - The site is about 4 months old.
        - I got it on the 1st page for my keyword after about 2 months.
        ......- This week my site went to #278 in rankings...
        That is normal for a new site. Do a search for QDF - query deserves freshness. All new sites/content tend to get an artificial initial boost in the rankings when first found. They then settle to their natural rankings after a period of time. Your site now ranks where it ranks. The only way to move it up, is to get to work on the usual SEO stuff.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3248114].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by VAIL View Post

        I feel like I may have got put in the sandbox, or slapped in some way, below is my situation let me know what you think.

        - The site is about 4 months old.
        - I got it on the 1st page for my keyword after about 2 months.
        - It maintained between the 5-8th position for the last 2 months.
        - Last week, I started doing a lot of social bookmarking and a little article submission.
        - This week my site went to #278 in rankings...

        The only thing I can figure is; since I hadn't done much social bookmarking before, that I did too much all at once and it raised a red flag.

        Any thoughts on this situation? :confused:
        Hi VAIL,

        Congratulations you are our "Weekly Mystified by QDF" contestant. You've been selected to learn the secret of your ranking decline. To win, all you have to do is comprehend the following paragraph:

        Relax, you have not suffered a penalty of any kind. Instead your ranking was temporarily boosted by QDF (Query Deserves Freshness), which is a temporary boost in rankings for new content. Once this temporary boost wears off, your page will sink to it's currently earned position in SERPs.

        Now it's time to go out and promote your pages with solid promotional efforts and earn those higher rankings.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3248168].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author VAIL
          Wow, thanks for making me feel like a winner...

          I found this tool SEOMoves | Google Penalty Checker Tool
          Which says I got a "-30" penalty, whatever that means...

          Does this tool actually work? and does anyone know how?

          Also, I started another website at the exact same time as this one and it hasn't suddenly dropped in the rankings...
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3306376].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
            Originally Posted by VAIL View Post

            Wow, thanks for making me feel like a winner...

            I found this tool SEOMoves | Google Penalty Checker Tool
            Which says I got a "-30" penalty, whatever that means...

            Does this tool actually work? and does anyone know how?

            Also, I started another website at the exact same time as this one and it hasn't suddenly dropped in the rankings...
            NEVER trust or use those tools! That one is showing google.co.uk has a SEVERE penalty.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3306922].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Genesis1
    yahoo and bing don't drive too much traffic, so don't worry about them
    Signature
    High Quality Backpage, Kijiji, Gumtree Classified Ads Posting Services. Service that brings Value. Get Traffic & Increase SEO at the same time! Prices are starting from 0.09$ per AD. PM Me for more info
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[3306535].message }}

Trending Topics