and about xrumer...

I have a lot of experience with it. But you have to understand the context in which I use it.

First lets say I'm targeting a really small niche or a local search term, then it works really well.

Now lets say I'm targeting something competitive, while it will work in that situation also, I have found you get more bang for your buck when the site is a bit older, 3-6 months.

You can't expect to rank for "cheap car insurance" with only profile links. You need to have a varied link batch pointing to your site.

Basically, if its a small niche it works very well. If its a larger niche, the site needs to be more established before you'll see benefits from Xrumer. But if the site is mature and you want to go from page 1 position 8 to position 1,2, or 3, it can give you that boost.

Remember though its all about your competition infront of you. If they have thousands and thousands of links, Xrumer may be the weapon in your arsenal that you need to use, at the right time.

Thanks Frank for the info. I might wanna check into it.

I've been considering Xrumer, although I have to admit I'm a little nervous about it. I thought it was great advice to wait a bit to use it, I've experienced the same effect, usually a site that is just a few months older reacts much better to mass linking. Expect this to increase in coming years.

good stuff, where to get good training for xrumer?

Isnt xrumer blackhat SEO? Google will pick this up and change their code no doubt and you will end up with nothing!

How about this....

Give me a link to where I can buy a few Xrumer Blasts and I will give it a shot with one of my sites...

I will let you know how it goes.