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Quick question re PR...

by magnetoguy
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Hi guys

Sorry to be thick but just wanted something confirmed in my mind.

Is it right that if you backlink from sites that have pr of 2, 3, 4 or above that in time your own site will gain PR.

And if I do that with mini sites like squidoo and xanga will that work?

Thanks and sorry for being slow!

PS I guess a better question is "how do you increase the page rank of a site"?
#page rank factors #question #quick
  • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
    You increase your PageRank from obtaining links from other pages that have PR.

    When you create a page at Xanga, like you mentioned, that page will actually be a PR0 and won't increase your PageRank.

    Pages have PR, not websites as a whole.

    Anyway, your site having a high PageRank isn't indicative of anything and doesn't really have any benefit at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author magnetoguy
      Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

      You increase your PageRank from obtaining links from other pages that have PR.

      When you create a page at Xanga, like you mentioned, that page will actually be a PR0 and won't increase your PageRank.

      Pages have PR, not websites as a whole.

      Anyway, your site having a high PageRank isn't indicative of anything and doesn't really have any benefit at all.
      Thanks Pat

      Are you saying that Google and its algo doesn't take that much notice of PR when ranking one site against another and that other factors are more important? If so what factors in your experience give the biggest bang for the buck??
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      • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
        Originally Posted by magnetoguy View Post

        Thanks Pat

        Are you saying that Google and its algo doesn't take that much notice of PR when ranking one site against another and that other factors are more important? If so what factors in your experience give the biggest bang for the buck??
        Yes, that is what I'm saying. The PR of your web pages aren't a ranking factor. The PR of web pages that are linking to you, however, are a major ranking factor.

        Don't worry about PR at all when it comes to your pages.

        The very best link you could get would be a PR9 contextual homepage link on a page that was very relevant to your keyword with no other outgoing links.

        Obviously that's not easily attainable so strive to get as close to that as possible (i.e - contextual links, links from high PR pages, etc.)
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        • Profile picture of the author magnetoguy
          Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

          Yes, that is what I'm saying. The PR of your web pages aren't a ranking factor. The PR of web pages that are linking to you, however, are a major ranking factor.

          Don't worry about PR at all when it comes to your pages.

          The very best link you could get would be a PR9 contextual homepage link on a page that was very relevant to your keyword with no other outgoing links.

          Obviously that's not easily attainable so strive to get as close to that as possible (i.e - contextual links, links from high PR pages, etc.)
          That's a massive help Pat

          Thanks...
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Here's another thing to consider about PR...

            It's not a linear scale. The numbers in the Google toolbar might be, but the actual ranking behind the number isn't. The jump from PR0 to PR1 is much smaller than, say, the jump from PR6 to PR7.

            For the math geeks out there, it's a logarithmic scale. That means that:

            PR0 = 10^0 = 1-9
            PR5 = 10^5 = 100,000 - 999,999
            PR6 = 10^6 = 1,000,000 - 9,999,999

            In other words, the PR shown on the toolbar is roughly the same as the number of times 10 is multiplied by itself.

            So a high PR5 and a low PR6 could be so close that the difference is meaningless.

            Add the fact that PR is constantly moving, even if the toolbar is only updated a few times a year, and you can conclude that fixating on it in your link building is pretty meaningless.

            As was mentioned earlier, concentrate on getting relevant, in-context links from reputable sites, and you'll do fine...
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            • Profile picture of the author magnetoguy
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              Here's another thing to consider about PR...

              It's not a linear scale. The numbers in the Google toolbar might be, but the actual ranking behind the number isn't. The jump from PR0 to PR1 is much smaller than, say, the jump from PR6 to PR7.

              For the math geeks out there, it's a logarithmic scale. That means that:

              PR0 = 10^0 = 1-9
              PR5 = 10^5 = 100,000 - 999,999
              PR6 = 10^6 = 1,000,000 - 9,999,999

              In other words, the PR shown on the toolbar is roughly the same as the number of times 10 is multiplied by itself.

              So a high PR5 and a low PR6 could be so close that the difference is meaningless.

              Add the fact that PR is constantly moving, even if the toolbar is only updated a few times a year, and you can conclude that fixating on it in your link building is pretty meaningless.

              As was mentioned earlier, concentrate on getting relevant, in-context links from reputable sites, and you'll do fine...
              Wow! Just goes to show what a difference 1 step up the scale can make in terms of back link authority.

              Thanks a bunch John.
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              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                Originally Posted by magnetoguy View Post

                Wow! Just goes to show what a difference 1 step up the scale can make in terms of back link authority.

                Thanks a bunch John.
                Actually, it also shows that a step down the scale may not mean much.

                Using my figures above, the difference between a page with "real" PR of 99,999 (PR5 on the toolbar) and "real" PR of 100,000 (PR6 on the toolbar) is only 1/100,000 or 0.001%.

                And with the constantly shifting "real" PR, the two pages could easily switch positions from day to day.

                About the only pages where I worry about PR are the grayed-out ones, meaning that there is no PR at all. These may be sites so new they haven't been in the index long enough to go through a toolbar update, or they may be sites Google has penalized for some reason (like linking out to what they call "bad neighborhoods").

                Otherwise, it's all good...
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                • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
                  In theory the higher the PR the more traffic you should get, and if you have sites that have a higher PR than you linking to you then yours should increase over time.

                  But as one of the others said you can find low PR sites with a lot of traffic, unfortunately we will never know the algorithm Google uses to define a sites PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben-Jones
    I have some websites with no pr or pr1 etc and they get masses of traffic and i have others that are pr 4 with minimul traffic.

    I wouldnt take much notice of it unless you are planning on selling it or selling links.
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    • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
      Originally Posted by Ben-Jones View Post

      I have some websites with no pr or pr1 etc and they get masses of traffic and i have others that are pr 4 with minimul traffic.

      I wouldnt take much notice of it unless you are planning on selling it or selling links.
      This is exactly why PR is meaningless
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  • Profile picture of the author corycrabb
    Great info thanks!
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