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How many backlinds do I really need?

by Tjmcnich
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Hey guys, I've been designing websites but I wanna start offering SEO... I plan on outscoring it all.. my clients are all small businesses... my question is this for lets say keyword "Chicago Carpet Cleaner" how many backlinks would I need per month to get into google's front page... this for a brand new website. Now how many backlinks would I need to make the front page of Google for a smaller market say keyword "Orland Park IL Carpet Cleaner" I'm just trying to get an understanding of how many backlinks I will need per month to get onto the first page of Google... Or "Potentially" make the first page of Google... I'm looking for a 6 month time frame.... so website creation to first page of Google in 6th months... how many backlinks per month?
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  • Profile picture of the author jacked
    There are a lot of factors in here that are more important than backlinks. Firstly I would recommend you check out your competition using SEOquake or Market Samurai if you have it, if not I highly recommend you try out the 40 day trial, the software saves me so much time and work. Then going from there assess your competition, look at how many backlinks they have, their domain names, and page ranks. And that should give you a good idea of what you will have to do and how many links you will have to build to compete with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tjmcnich
    Thanks Jacked!! I went and installed SEOquake and watched some video tutorials on it... so "Chicago Carpet Cleaner" gets about 6,000 searches per month according to Google Keyword Tool... so I went to the middle of google page 1 for that quote "chicago carpet cleaner"... about 5 spots from the top I found a website that has been around since 2001 has a page rank of 2 has 4 pages indexed in google... has 0 google backlinks and has 19 yahoo backlinks... those are pretty much the hard facts for comparing competition (in a nutshell) correct? if so, lets say I was getting 70 backlinks per month for high quality page ranked websites... how long before I crack googles first page? any help would be great!

    Thanks!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Bingo123
      It really just depends how many links your competitors have, and what quality these links are. If you find they only have 300 low PR sites, you can probably outrank them with about 20-30 high quality PR links. This doesn't happen overnight though, so a 6 month time-frame is a good one to aim for.
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  • Profile picture of the author blogdecor
    If you can get links from higher PR sites then 20 to 30 links will be enough. But if you are getting links from PR 0 sites then you need many backlinks; 500+
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Google has to index those pages first! There is no telling...
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    • Profile picture of the author Tjmcnich
      Thanks for the reply's!
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  • Profile picture of the author joelwalters
    First have a look at your top ten competitors for those keywords. And use the Yahoo link tool (or something similar) to see how many backlinks they have, and that will give you a good idea of how many links you need to generate.

    You know, like if the top site has 600 links, you would aim at getting 100 targeted backlinks every month, if you're spreading the campiagn over 6 months.

    And it also depends on what the quality and page rank of the links your competitors have. 30 -40 high pr links, will usually out rank a site with lots of low/no pr links.
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    • Profile picture of the author benintheworld
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      Originally Posted by joelwalters View Post

      First have a look at your top ten competitors for those keywords. And use the Yahoo link tool (or something similar) to see how many backlinks they have, and that will give you a good idea of how many links you need to generate.

      You know, like if the top site has 600 links, you would aim at getting 100 targeted backlinks every month, if you're spreading the campiagn over 6 months.

      And it also depends on what the quality and page rank of the links your competitors have. 30 -40 high pr links, will usually out rank a site with lots of low/no pr links.
      Joel, Thanks for this - it is clear to me now!
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      • Profile picture of the author Tjmcnich
        OK, nice I'm starting to understand now..

        so for argument sake I googled "CHICAGO CARPET CLEANER" The number 3 spot is a website with 6 domains indexed in Google and 9 in yahoo

        It has 0 backlinks with google and 4 backlinks with yahoo... this domain was created Jan 4th 2004...

        I found someone who has a good reputation, and who is offering 70 high quality (page rank between 4-8) backlinks for 7 dollars per domain... could I crack the top ten in 4-6 months time if I used that service?

        Thanks
        Tommy Mac
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        • Profile picture of the author orvn
          Originally Posted by Tjmcnich View Post

          so for argument sake I googled "CHICAGO CARPET CLEANER" The number 3 spot is a website with 6 domains indexed in Google and 9 in yahoo

          It has 0 backlinks with google and 4 backlinks with yahoo... this domain was created Jan 4th 2004...
          6 domains indexed? Do you mean six pages?

          Backlinks are NOT about quantity. They're about quality, and that's more than just PR, although PR is a good indicator.

          Based on my experience, ONE relevant, contextual, dofollow backlink from an authority site can push you to page one for a keyword like "chicago carpet cleaner", knocking out competitors with hundreds of backlinks EASILY.

          My best advice to you is: keep visiting this forum and be inquisitive.
          You'll learn a lot, especially from the senior Warriors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tjmcnich
    Sorry yes I men't 6 pages... I'm going to be dealing with businesses who will be competing against 1,000 to 4,000 pages... I just want to make sure I'm spending my SEO outscoring money wisely and not over paying for a bunch of backlinks I really don't need.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackdonovan
    I'm using market samurai to identify my competitors backlink, my goal is to get the backlink more then my competitor do.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Originally Posted by Tjmcnich View Post

    Hey guys, I've been designing websites but I wanna start offering SEO... I plan on outscoring it all.. my clients are all small businesses... my question is this for lets say keyword "Chicago Carpet Cleaner" how many backlinks would I need per month to get into google's front page... this for a brand new website. Now how many backlinks would I need to make the front page of Google for a smaller market say keyword "Orland Park IL Carpet Cleaner" I'm just trying to get an understanding of how many backlinks I will need per month to get onto the first page of Google... Or "Potentially" make the first page of Google... I'm looking for a 6 month time frame.... so website creation to first page of Google in 6th months... how many backlinks per month?
    This completely depends on the specific keywords of your competition.

    You can't just check how many backlinks the competition has either because they can range from 5 to 500 and still be listed in the top 3 for example.

    These days it is all about QUALITY. Get some high quality backlinks and it is entirely possible to outrank a page with 50 times more low quality links.

    The number of links is not really worth calculating as quality wins here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tjmcnich
    what exactly is "high quality" we talking edu or gov websites with a page rank 6+?
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    • Profile picture of the author dadamson
      Originally Posted by Tjmcnich View Post

      what exactly is "high quality" we talking edu or gov websites with a page rank 6+?
      Page rank, relevance, page traffic, there are a lot of factors that google uses to determine quality.It is usually based on the competitions backlinks to determine where you lie in the rankings.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tjmcnich
        Good info thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author alvinarnold
    hi ,
    Page rank is great to improve a website,
    Get page rank in google to build backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author FTCNick
    The amount of backlinks you need depends on how well your site is set up for SEO, and the competition against you for the keyword in question.

    Good luck,

    Nick
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  • Profile picture of the author Vilvop
    @ the OP, Are you going to set up your web site for SEO yourself?
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  • Profile picture of the author shafiqwork
    It really depend upon the keyword competition and search volume.
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  • Profile picture of the author chiwawa
    About 100 to 150 quality baclinks will be enough
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  • Profile picture of the author Tjmcnich
    No I will be outscoring my SEO... and yes my wordpress website is set up specifically for "CHICAGO CARPET CLEANER" which has about 3,500 competing pages and the websites near the top have a page rank of 2 or less, with less than 15 backlinks each, all the websites near the top domains were made around 2005-ish

    I have someone who is selling me a package for for 70 backlinks per domain (high quality backlinks all sites are atleast page rank of 4)

    I should be able to crack top 10 in a few months right?
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    • Profile picture of the author orvn
      Originally Posted by Tjmcnich View Post

      I should be able to crack top 10 in a few months right?
      I'll bet you can crack top ten in a week, if you work it carefully.
      I hope you're optimizing for places and local search also.

      It looks like things may be tricky from position # 4 and up.
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  • Profile picture of the author orvn
    "Chicago Carpet Cleaner"
    The discrepancy for this particular search term is intriguing.

    #1 http://www.windycitycarpetcleaning.com/
    Has only 37 total WEAK backlinks..
    No internal linking, no 301 redirect, not much at all actually... lol. The whole thing appears poorly optimized.
    anyone know what's going on here?

    #2 Chicago Carpet Cleaner - Rug Cleaning - Carpet Cleaning Service - IL
    has 4 backlinks, the strongest of which is a PR 1 site namedSpeedkleen\ Carpet Cleaner Aurora IL,Plainfield,Naperville - Home - chicago, IL..

    #3 Chicago Carpet Cleaning-Chicago IL Cleaning
    has 2,413 backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tjmcnich
    Ammaras who was that comment directed too? were you telling me I just need some high ranking backlinks or were you saying those other sites had high ranking backlinks?
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    • Profile picture of the author orvn
      Originally Posted by Tjmcnich View Post

      Ammaras who was that comment directed too? were you telling me I just need some high ranking backlinks or were you saying those other sites had high ranking backlinks?
      I don't see any high PR backlinks in those top two results.. I'm a little bewildered at your particular search term, to be perfectly frank.
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  • Profile picture of the author submitedgeseo
    There is no matter that how many backlinks your website has as if you have more backlinks you get better ranking for the website in the search engine. But you must take care of you are getting the backlinks in a good way as thjere must be some time interval between for getting backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author iresh
    first use the key word and the google key word tools for determine the amount of monthly search;s. and after that you can have a idea, but personally i think 1000 per month will ok
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  • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
    Let me update you on this that the ALMIGHTY GOOGLE has not updated the PR since 9 months (:
    And this thing is not known by every one
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    I try to build about 20-30 back links per week! No follow & Do-follow
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  • Profile picture of the author masterofinternate
    Well Backlink is necessary to get a good PR. So as much as you're able to collect backlinks is good for you. I prefer 25-150 well established backlinks.You should stay between this range.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliate Agent
    Why is working with Google so hard? hahaha

    I agree that 30-100 QUALITY backlinks should be enough to give you a high PR. The tricky part is having them approve of them lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Boricua
    Originally Posted by Tjmcnich View Post

    Hey guys, I've been designing websites but I wanna start offering SEO... I plan on outscoring it all.. my clients are all small businesses... my question is this for lets say keyword "Chicago Carpet Cleaner" how many backlinks would I need per month to get into google's front page... this for a brand new website. Now how many backlinks would I need to make the front page of Google for a smaller market say keyword "Orland Park IL Carpet Cleaner" I'm just trying to get an understanding of how many backlinks I will need per month to get onto the first page of Google... Or "Potentially" make the first page of Google... I'm looking for a 6 month time frame.... so website creation to first page of Google in 6th months... how many backlinks per month?
    Make sure to check the Google Keyword Tool to see if that keywords is best possible keyword choice for you right now according your budget, experience, time and commitment...yes...so your plan to outscoring your competitors stay live for years. MarketSamurai and Traffic Travis tools are perfect for that.

    How many links after you have selected a high keyword density domain for your primary and all other priority keywords that follow? As many as you can in a natural and consistent way. Forget about blasting 70,000 backlinks in 1-2 days with your new domain also.

    Hope you keep my 2 minute in-a-nutshell blurb in mind@!
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      To get some directions and the right pointers, as always, i did some digging and I found this useful writing about the exact subject we're about to discuss,
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      • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
        You need exactly nine hundred and eighty two. No more, or less.
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  • Profile picture of the author marshpollock
    Some advertisers still believe that the value of PR as an important ingredient in the overall ranking of the site - which determines the height conversion removed from the site. Some web masters will be ignorance. I say they are too lazy to get this thing in its place. So, yes it means something. A lot.
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