Market Samurai Question

16 years ago

Hi there, have a look at the options just above your keywords. I think you might find that the filter is set to 'Golden Rules'. If this is the case, change it to 'No Filter'.

The golden rules are set of rules that MS created to determine if the keywords are worth pursuing. I think they have to get X amount of daily traffic, and have a value of X amount. Can't remember what those figures are but I usually set the filter to 'no filter'. I then make sure that the traffic is above 100 for daily exact searches, and that the SEOV value is above $30.
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spudnick

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TBInternetMarketing

Hi there, have a look at the options just above your keywords. I think you might find that the filter is set to 'Golden Rules'. If this is the case, change it to 'No Filter'.

The golden rules are set of rules that MS created to determine if the keywords are worth pursuing. I think they have to get X amount of daily traffic, and have a value of X amount. Can't remember what those figures are but I usually set the filter to 'no filter'. I then make sure that the traffic is above 100 for daily exact searches, and that the SEOV value is above $30.
Hope that helps.

I suspect this is spot on. Market Samurai includes a set of very customisable filters so that you can cull a list quickly for what you need. I use this functionality all the time - it really helps you to cut to the core of what you are searching for.

As a general rule, the Golden Rule settings are actually not bad (espeically if you are new to the program or keyword research in general). They will quickly filter out a lot of keywords you probably don't want to chase anyways.

This is all 'in general' though. There are always ways and needs for every option.

Spudnick

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toolmaster

16 years ago

Yep, the golden rules are good if you're looking for a new niche to get into; but not if you're looking to push a CPA offer. I usually make my own custom filters depending on the type of offer I'm pushing.

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wanna-succeed

16 years ago

Originally Posted by toolmaster

Yep, the golden rules are good if you're looking for a new niche to get into; but not if you're looking to push a CPA offer. I usually make my own custom filters depending on the type of offer I'm pushing.

Could you please elaborate??

I am using the trial version of MS and am quite fond of it. I use the golden rule and it workd great.
However, am I start to branching out a bit, I would like to know other people's take on various filters.
What filtering do you normally use? And for what?
I hope this question isn't too intrusive.

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spudnick

16 years ago

Originally Posted by wanna-succeed

Could you please elaborate??

I am using the trial version of MS and am quite fond of it. I use the golden rule and it workd great.
However, am I start to branching out a bit, I would like to know other people's take on various filters.
What filtering do you normally use? And for what?
I hope this question isn't too intrusive.

Filtering is just a method which allows you to more quickly focus on a subset of data that you are more interested in. What you are interested in will depend on what you are trying to discover using the tool.

I see too many people viewing tools such as Market Samurai as a magic genie in a lamp that they can simply rub (throw keywords into) and it will provide a pocket full of cash for you (a specific list of keywords that are low competition, highly searched for and are guaranteed to be used by people who are desperatly looking to part with their money).

Unfortunatley, this is not the case.

Market Samurai is a data mining tool. It provides a series of data manipulation functions to quickly draw out different information depending on what variables you tweak.

So to get the most out of it you need to know 1) what you are trying to discover 2) how to use the tool to provide sets of data that are more likely to contain information which will lead you to your answer (or at least to something that confirms or disproves a previous hypothesis).

But to be most successful, you will need a pretty good understanding of how to rank sites. This is a BROAD topic, and also one that is very deep. We will all be learning the 'secrets' to this art forever.

Hmmm...I think I am rambling now.

How about you tell us what you are trying to do, or provide an example keyword and what you would like to know, and we might be able to run through an example of how you could use Market Samurai as one tool in your research process?

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toolmaster

16 years ago

Originally Posted by wanna-succeed

Could you please elaborate??

I am using the trial version of MS and am quite fond of it. I use the golden rule and it workd great.
However, am I start to branching out a bit, I would like to know other people's take on various filters.
What filtering do you normally use? And for what?
I hope this question isn't too intrusive.

It depends on where you are advertising. MS uses data from Google. Although Google is the biggest player on the block their not the only player. So the Golden rules might tell you that a particular keyword has a lot of competition on Google.

But if you branch out and start advertising other places like MSN/Yahoo or even PPC networks with less traffic like 7search the keyword might not have as big competition.

So if you follow the Golden Rules with everything you do; you could be missing out on some good keywords on second tier PPC networks.

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Richard Van 16 years ago

Let me give you the best advice you're likely to get here, seeing as we can't see what you see on your version of MS.

Contact MS directly.

They have excellent support and as they do this on a daily basis they are far more qualified to help you. I've used MS since it came out. It's great, they do have glitches however and I've had to re-download it twice.

Speak to them, that's what they're there for.
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V12

16 years ago

MS support is very slow at present. I've been waiting for several days for my problem to be sorted out.

The product itself is excellent.

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Richard Van 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Opportunex

MS support is very slow at present. I've been waiting for several days for my problem to be sorted out.

The product itself is excellent.

That's a fair point but if he needs to re-download the product as I had to twice, asking here won't help. Without being able to see what he can on his screen not a lot of people will be able to help him.

If he has it set to "no filters" and the results are still iffy then only Samurai support can help him.

I'd rather wait a few days for the right advice than instantly get the wrong advice.
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Marvin Johnston

16 years ago

I almost never use the filters until after I've had a chance to look at the results.

Why? There are almost always keywords that will be filtered out that I think can be seeds for further research.

The usual filter settings of 15% PBR, 80 minimum SEOT, and 30,000 SEOC maximum competition are great if you want to get something up and ranked in the short term.

But I tend to view the golden settings as I do training wheels on bicycles ... they are wonderful to get started. But they get in the way as our education continues.

More advanced marketers will most likely keep the 15% PBR and 80 minimum SEOT, but raise the SEOC. How high to raise the SEOC will depend on the marketers experience and how long they are willing to work to get a site profitable. But 60,000 to 100,000 are the numbers I've heard others use most often.

Marvin

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TBInternetMarketing 16 years ago

Yes I dont really use the filters either. I have my own filters that I try to stick to. Ideally less than 30,000 comp, 100 SEOT exact daily and $30> SEOV. I sometimes change filters, but that's usually a good place to start.
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- alfredjsmith 16 years ago
  
  My technique is to remove all filters (always better to have too much data than too little)
  
  I've developed a system where I can type a few keyword themes into notepad, and then it will run multiple reports for me - I go to bed, then wake up and it's all in one excel file.
  
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the_knight

16 years ago

MS is a great tool, but I found it buggy, not to mention they update it almost every week, and I feel the 800 keywords result in keyword research is too much. Who wants to analyse 800 keywords anyway?

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spudnick

16 years ago

Originally Posted by the_knight

MS is a great tool, but I found it buggy, not to mention they update it almost every week, and I feel the 800 keywords result in keyword research is too much. Who wants to analyse 800 keywords anyway?

The fact that they update it almost every week is one of my favourite parts about the software and the company behind it.