I am Done Fighting Adwords!!!!!!!!

14 years ago

Petevamp,

I am sorry, I have not used adwords so can not offer any wisdom. I have heard from others that you can use some of the words that company uses, or brand name inside it. I hope it works out for you and maybe someone with right knowledge can answer you.

I just came to support morally as you have been helpful to me in past with my question.

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FivestarHB 14 years ago

Adwords is not for the faint hearted, or the noob. the days of cheap bids are gone. Never send adwords traffic to adsense sites. Facebook ads are apparently like Adwords was in 2006, but again, the risks are high, you need to have a high converting page with with high paying offer. Most surfers are "ad-blind" these days, and look straight to the organic search results.
So your best bet is to cut your losses, and learn and excel in SEO, get low comp keywords, optimise your site/page around those, backlink, and go the free traffic route instead of PPC.
Ryan Deiss had a brilliant report on organic traffic mid last year sometime, and why it is the absolute best way to get traffic. Found it...

http://perpetualtrafficformula.s3.am...c%20Report.pdf
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by petevamp

Sorry if this sounds like a __tch fest but frankly I am tired of adwords. I have tried to create a campaign on several sites of mine. Every campaign I create and write a decent ad for gets disapproved after it runs for 10 mins. Then I had a high quality score on all of my target keywords. Just to watch them go down to a 1 seconds later. The only sites it even allows me to run any type of campaign for is my adsense sites. Now I would do this if wouldnt cost everything I would make plus some just to rely on a 40cent click that 40 others did not click that add.

I know they changed their policy but what the heck are we suppose to do. I seen one part in their site policy that says you can not use redirects. Ok but even sites selling physical products us some sort of redirect process to get to the check out page. I used to do pretty good with adwords and to not beable to use them for any site just blows my mind. I have tried this on 4 total sites of mine.

2 amazon affiliate sites and 2 clickbank product sites. Not a single one worked at all. But it will let me put my two adsense sites on there and get just about 10s across the board. However the clicks for those adsense sites as mentioned already only bring in maybe 40total cents. I am outraged that google is playing this game. They seriously dont think I will run an adsense site through adwords. Where it would cost me $10 or more just to make 50cents or even less dow they really think people are that dumb.

Pete,

It seems Adwords no longer accepts direct links to CPS or CPA Offers. Whether you use redirects or not, if it goes to CPS or CPA offers, then you cannot get them approved.

You need to create a Landing Page of your own for each product and have content around each offer.

Your Landing Page must have the usual stuff - a few articles, contact us page, privacy policy, TOS.

You can easily make this on WordPress or in any part of your hosted solution. Don't need special domain at all. Subdomain or sub-directory is good enough.

FB is having similar **** like Google. Landing Pages required.

If you hate doing Landing Pages, then you can try CPM Channels like Plenty of Fish. PPC channels like 7Search.

For Google or FB, if your Ad links go directly to e-Commerce sites, shouldnt be any problem. If not, Landing Pages would help u get approved.

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thebitbotdotcom

14 years ago

Adwords is not for typical affiliate marketing as it has been in the past. These days it is more for people selling their own physical products IMO.

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dburk 14 years ago

Hi petevamp,

Sorry you are having a problem. It's hard to say the exact cause based on what you have shared with us, so I will discuss the most common issues based on what you have shared.

It seems that something you are doing is in violation of AdWords policy and results in an almost immediate Google Slap (Lowering of QS), or disapproval of ads.

One of the most common problems affiliate marketers run into with AdWords is the violation of AdWords' no Bridge Page policy. Most merchants structure their affiliate program in a fashion that is, at it's very essence, a violation of the "No Bridge Page" policy. They often encourage you to refer clicks to their own sales page, which is fine under certain circumstances. If you have a website that fulfills the desires of your visitors and isn't intended as a pre-sell page for an affiliate offer then it may be fine for such an affiliate program. However, often the primary goal of a affiliate marketer is to build pages that are in fact bridge pages with the sole intent of driving traffic to the merchants website.

The "proper" way to do affiliate marketing with AdWords is to work with a merchant that allows you to handle the entire selling process up to the checkout processing, which can then be handled by the merchant. Unfortunately, most vendors will not permit this method, and those that do will generally want to pre-approve your sales copy. Another viable option is to create and sell your own product, building a list, which you can then do follow up marketing of affiliate offers. Both of these methods are acceptable within the AdWords program.
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lotre

14 years ago

Hi
The QS in my experience may start low but when people click it and get a decent CTR it rises, so you may need to give it some time and not expect too high a QS too early

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Bill Jenkins Banned 14 years ago

Adwords has a way of being very frustrating and draining money from the accounts of noobs. If you want to play with adwords you better have 2 things: A good testing budget, and a fair bit of skill. Otherwise it tends to be game over.

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- Money79 14 years ago
  
  I have also a victim of Adwords. Now advertising with Google has become almost impossible. is very good to put everything on SEO
  
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  CBMoneymachine 14 years ago
  
  There is no denying that Adwords is getting more difficult to advertise on however it is still very workable and if set up correctly then it is usually the fastest means of generating super targeted traffic to your site. What everyone needs to remember about Adwords is that it drives the majority of Googles Billion dollar profits. This means that they want you to advertise on there. They will not penalize you for things if you comply with their TOS. Unfortunately a lot of Googles TOS are a result of advertising laws, not Googles preference. I know people don't want to hear this because sometimes it is nice to be able to point the finger and blame Google for something that doesn't work out to our liking.
  
  Common reasons that peoples campaigns are dissaproved are:
  
  Websites that claim miracle cures (you all know the kind of spammy clickbank products im talking about)
  
  Unrelated content on the website
  
  Unsubstantiated claims (i made $559,000 in 7 minutes & i'm only 6 years old!)
  
  Trademark policy
  
  Direct linking to CPA offers
  
  Linking to pages whose sole purpose is to collect information
  
  lack of or incomplete privacy policy
  
  This list could go on and on but the truth is that if you meet the criteria required by Google they are more than happy to let you advertise with them.
  
  I know google have a redirect policy and it is possible to do it if you follow their guidelines but if you are having problems just follow the standard setup.
  
  Set up a landing page with a Privacy Policy / Contact us etc that talks about what you are selling, this could be a review page / price comparison page or a straight up sales page. Don't disguise the fact that you are going to send the user to another page after they click on the buy now or more info page - include this in your review and explain that it is the cheapest place or you should buy from them because you can offer them a free gift or some other USP.
  
  Keep your landing page simple but just make sure it is relevant in googles eyes to the keywords you are using for the ad group(s). Whatever you do don't make wild claims on your site though, the campaign will be turned off.
  
  To throw an example in, one of the clients whose campaign we manage is in the male enhancement area! Advertising in 7 or 8 countries it was spending about $100,000 per month give or take. It had been running maybe 4 months when suddenly all the campaigns were dissaproved by google. The reason was because the site had stupid claims all over it, 'try **** & you will be irresistible to women' etc. Other claims saying you will improve your manhood by X". They were just made up claims and Google knows this! It didn't mater that we were spending $100,000 per month, they just wanted their results to be relevant and trustworthy (and compliant with advertising rules and regulations). We responded by designing a new landing page that was toned down, resubmitted the campaign and it has been running smoothly since.
  
  With regards to quality score it can be an absolute pain sometimes, especially when you know you are doing everything right. I think this is something you just have to ride out sometimes, often you can push things in the right direction by increasing your bids temporarily to get them into a decent position where they will receive some clicks and improve your click through rate and ultimately you quality score. Not an ideal solution but sometimes our options are limited.
  
  I am by no means saying that Adwords is without its faults, for example all Google does is preach relevancy yet in adwords they contradict themselves by turning off your keywords (normally very relevant long tail keywords) because they have a low search volume in Googles history. A lot of advertising campaigns were built on that method of bidding on thousands of exact match long tail keywords that might get 2 or 3 searches per month, this just meant very targeted traffic that is very likely to click on your ad and convert. Unfortunately we can no longer do this because google consider it a strain on their resources (c'mon!).
  
  Anyway I don't know where I was going with this post, just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about Adwords.
  
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  Money79 14 years ago
  
  thanks for the explanation.
  
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Ryan57

14 years ago

Thanks for sharing this. I've heard many bad things about Adwords.

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Dayne Dylan

Banned 14 years ago

I had my own product and bid on the EXACT title of my product title...and still got slapped. Oh, but if you will notice, there are ads for Amazon products on Adwords.

So they allow Amazon with ads with an item picture, brief summary and an order link...but not my site where I have my product, a lot more content and order link.

It's just ridiculous what Google gets by with. Sure, I understand cleaning up the real crap sites, but this is getting to be a joke. They are now biting the hands that made them a multi-billion dollar company.

I've moved on from them (except for SEO).

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7SearchBrad

14 years ago

Originally Posted by petevamp

Sorry if this sounds like a __tch fest but frankly I am tired of adwords. I have tried to create a campaign on several sites of mine. Every campaign I create and write a decent ad for gets disapproved after it runs for 10 mins. Then I had a high quality score on all of my target keywords. Just to watch them go down to a 1 seconds later. The only sites it even allows me to run any type of campaign for is my adsense sites. Now I would do this if wouldnt cost everything I would make plus some just to rely on a 40cent click that 40 others did not click that add.

I know they changed their policy but what the heck are we suppose to do. I seen one part in their site policy that says you can not use redirects. Ok but even sites selling physical products us some sort of redirect process to get to the check out page. I used to do pretty good with adwords and to not beable to use them for any site just blows my mind. I have tried this on 4 total sites of mine.

2 amazon affiliate sites and 2 clickbank product sites. Not a single one worked at all. But it will let me put my two adsense sites on there and get just about 10s across the board. However the clicks for those adsense sites as mentioned already only bring in maybe 40total cents. I am outraged that google is playing this game. They seriously dont think I will run an adsense site through adwords. Where it would cost me $10 or more just to make 50cents or even less dow they really think people are that dumb.

Hi PeteVamp,

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carlton_david31

14 years ago

my recent experience with adwords finish this tuesday. runaway in 7days...it was very expensive and with no great results..im dissapointed myself.

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jbrewski

14 years ago

I had VERY good results my first time running it yesterday but all the sudden I am getting no clicks or impressions... I'm trying to figure it out!

I use a landing page with all of my CPA offers

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Tim Ross

14 years ago

They have a long list of things they don't allow including building email lists, affiliate marketing, basically anything that will allow you to make a profit.

They also expect you to be psychic and follow guidelines they don't publish. I was banned permanently as I didn't have enough content on my website. I had 20 pages of 100% unique content yet that wasn't enough apparently. Nowhere did they mention that.

Adwords is a complete waste of time now, don't even bother with them is my advice.

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jbrewski 14 years ago

@Tim Ross: what do you use?? Or what do you recommend as an alternative?
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- Tim Ross 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jbrewski
  
  @Tim Ross: what do you use?? Or what do you recommend as an alternative?
  
  I'd recommend Bing. Less traffic volume but they care about their advertisers (unlike Google). Haven't had any problems using Bing so far.
  
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jbrewski

14 years ago

I just found this video:

YouTube - Introduction to the Google Ad Auction

it tells all about how adwords works... it all makes since to me now!

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JHC81

14 years ago

Google tends to favor large sites who spend thousands of dollars a day, I don't know much about Bing but Yahoo seems good too last time I checked you can even direct link.

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Sipboy3000 14 years ago

My 2 cents:

Most people struggle with Adwords because they do not take the time to read their Advertising Policy.

I can tell you from experience and having an account suspended that it will make all the difference in the world.

Every since I did this to truly understand Adwords, I haven't ran into any problems managing campaigns for clients since.

I know people don't want to hear this, but here it goes:

Take the time and read their ENTIRE Advertising Policy IN FULL.

Yes it's a lot of stuff to read, but it will save you loads of time and frustration if you just do it.
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Money79

14 years ago

I am increasingly convinced that the best thing is with AdWords to advertise own products....

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jbrewski

14 years ago

I'm with Money79... seems as though they don't like CPA's, lol.

I just got my account suspended, haha... oh well, at least I was still in the testing stages and didn't spend any of my own money.

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TZ

14 years ago

The Adwords and MSN Adcenter auctions have REALLY clamped down on landing page quality and site-wide quality. MFA sites and affiliate sites are still lucky enough to pass and get listed, but they are one by one being eliminated.

Even so-called REAL sites, with REAL products have trouble getting approved.

The fight for lots of free traffic is on more than ever.

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jbrewski

14 years ago

It is all understandable though... the better quality "links/landing pages" is what the users are wanting. We're just trying to be greedy, lol.

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TBInternetMarketing

14 years ago

They're a bunch of idiots. Iv'e fought with them before too...They are too big to care about the little folk. If they would just tell you why your account was suspended and give you a chance decent amount of time to fix it that would be great.

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jbrewski

14 years ago

If anyone is looking for a $100 google adwords voucher PM me.
I have one and cannot use it, it expires feb 14.

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birjushukla 14 years ago

i am looking for $100 google adwords coupon. Pls PM me one

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birjushukla 14 years ago

i am looking for $100 google adwords coupon. Pls PM me one

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Kom

14 years ago

No matter what people said, adword is money making machine for google,not for affiliate

They willl such all of our money.
I love traffic but no love adword

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