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I'm sorry!!! I just had to share this with somebody!!! And since MOST of what I've learned in regards to SEO & Keyword/Competition Research has come from THIS forum I wanted to say Thank You!

Oh and... There is SOOOOOOOO much more out there than the IM niche and Adsense/Affiliate sites.

CHEERS!
#$720k #lead
  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    You made $720,000 on one lead? If so, enjoy your early retirement. If you made $720 for a lead then that's pretty awesome as well. I've personally never made more than $150 in commission on one sale.
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    Scott, your buying everyone a steak dinner right?
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    • Profile picture of the author scott g
      1 Birth Defect Claim = $6-7m (twins) (40% for firm (30-40% for origination))

      6.500.000x.4=2.600.00x.3=780.000

      Private Jets en Route!

      Obviously, these things take time... And this is just ONE of my legal sites


      If I put Adsense on a few of the sites, I'd average $50-$80/click!
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      • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
        Originally Posted by scott g View Post

        1 Birth Defect Claim = $6-7m (twins) (40% for firm (30-40% for origination))

        6.500.000x.4=2.600.00x.3=780.000

        DO MATH! Lol!

        Obviously, these things take time... And this is just ONE of my legal sites
        Seriously dude, that's effing amazing I am lost for words.
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      • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
        Originally Posted by scott g View Post

        1 Birth Defect Claim = $6-7m (twins) (40% for firm (30-40% for origination))

        6.500.000x.4=2.600.00x.3=780.000

        Private Jets en Route!

        Obviously, these things take time... And this is just ONE of my legal sites

        If I put Adsense on a few of the sites, I'd average $50-$80/click!
        They really should invent an "I'm jealous" smiley, I would use several here...
        Scott - MAZAL TOV!!! May we all be as fortunate, keep it up!
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      • Profile picture of the author lassy715
        Originally Posted by scott g View Post

        1 Birth Defect Claim = $6-7m (twins) (40% for firm (30-40% for origination))

        6.500.000x.4=2.600.00x.3=780.000

        Private Jets en Route!

        Obviously, these things take time... And this is just ONE of my legal sites


        If I put Adsense on a few of the sites, I'd average $50-$80/click!
        Wow scott, congrats man - im sure you put a lot of work into that and it def paid off. inspiring....thats all i can say.
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  • Profile picture of the author BlondieWrites
    You made $720,000 in one lead? What on earth did you sell? A mansion? Do tell!



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  • Profile picture of the author MrWonton
    Wow.

    Congrats man, that is quite a referral fee!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr.H
    Nothing To Say !!
    Amazing
    Keep us updated With your Earnings :d
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Ross
    Which lead network/affiliate program was this?
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      Originally Posted by Tim Ross View Post

      Which lead network/affiliate program was this?
      I think that was his point, that affliate programs are not the only way to make $$ with IM.

      Oh and... There is SOOOOOOOO much more out there than the IM niche and Adsense/Affiliate sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Ross
    So you contacted law firms and you send them leads and one lead converted to $720,000? Is that correct? How do they track commissions without an affiliate program?
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    • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
      Originally Posted by Tim Ross View Post

      So you contacted law firms and you send them leads and one lead converted to $720,000? Is that correct? How do they track commissions without an affiliate program?
      I'm going say since its dealing with the "lawsuit" affiliate program and large sums of money, there are some hard "commission tracking" contracts involved. The pixel fires when the judge slams the gavel in your favor.
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  • Profile picture of the author RaptorGabe
    WOOOWWWW CONGRATS!!! I would def like to know more if you ever run a WSO let me know
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  • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
    So let me see if I got this..You have a CPA add from an attorney and someone clicked on it, used that attorney, won there case and you get a %? If so how long till you get paid???
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    You didn't give many details, but I hope you're not counting your chickens before they're hatched. :p

    Seriously, though, if this is true, that's really awesome. Congrats.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryHaywood
    This is awesome. Congrats man. May you have many more of those. Would love to hear more about this.
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  • Profile picture of the author jays
    Hi Scott,
    Do you contact law firms and make a deal with them to send leads ? If they win that case you get paid. Is that right?

    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author scott g
      Originally Posted by jays View Post

      Hi Scott,
      Do you contact law firms and make a deal with them to send leads ? If they win that case you get paid. Is that right?

      Thank you
      Jays

      That's a good question Jay. There are many individuals that do generate "leads" and sell them to Law Firms around the nation. It's a VERY lucrative business.

      I actually work for a national firm that litigates against the largest multinational corporations in the World. Ever hear of Yaz, Paxil, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Citibank, Capital One (all the banks) Phen Fen, Vioxx, Levaquin, Mesothelioma (to name just a few), personal Injury, product liability, antitrust, etc. I kind of have an unfair advantage... It's my Uncle's (and a partner's) Firm...

      I've been an AVID web site builder and getting deeper and deeper into SEO/SEM over the last two years.

      Let me give my example I gave my Uncle. I am working on a settlement against GlaxoSmithKline (the pharmaceutical company (this is my main focus at the firm)). I was told we were NOT a "Marketing Firm," which I am single handedly changing. A couple dozen law firms from around the US refer their cases and clients to us to litigate and try in court. That means we split our contingent fee with the referring attorneys and/or firm. So Contingent fee = 40-50%. So 40-50% of the original 40-50% fee goes to referring counsel. These are average numbers to go by.

      Another site of mine has generated 30-40 solid claims in the last 2 months (approximately $30k*30=$900k NON split contingent fee profit for the firm. Become a lawyer and you can get paid contingent fees! I'm not a lawyer... But like I said, I have an unfair advantage. I've been at the firm Since October. I'm not rich. Lawyer or no lawyer - Contingent fees mean you are paid when the case is settled... So that could be a year for all I know.

      I may have jumped the gun with the title of this post. But I could not control my excitement! For all I know it could be more or less - Not to mention the site generated a second claim today that is unclear... But that could become a very easy $2m case... Who knows?! I could have another gold mine tomorrow that makes the law firm $15m in 2 weeks.

      I used what I've learned in these forums, and through trial and error to build legal sites the law firm I'm at to broaden the their horizon and earning potential. My goal is to turn a portion of the firm... Into a Marketing Firm.


      I'll give you a valuable example of a site I don't feel like making. I think the term was "asbestos cancer lawsuit" or just "asbsestos cancer" competition is tough but beatable. The keyword tool doesn't seem to be working right now... But if I remember correctly average CPC was like $50. I think a Paxil birth defect click was like $70? That's cash for clicks! There are a lot of HIGHLY targeted legal terms.

      One lead - One Click - Could be potentially worth millions. One firm we deal with speands approximately $1-2m in advertising for 5 leads. Television spots that may generate 20-50 claims may cost $15-$25m.Those are Adsense CLICKS. Not super high search volume, but it's highly targeted.

      of you did your homework, built an asbestos mesothelioma cancer and got some qualifed leads... You could probably sell one to a firm for $25k-$100k. Sounds unfathomable... But it's very realistic. We spend $30k A WEEK on ordering medical records. The numbers that get thrown around are ridiculous. I used to think it was just like that on TV until I was having conversations with 2 federal judges, the attorney state general, governor, and senator at the Law Firms Christmas party.

      I just want people to know that there is so much OUT there than just IM related products and services (which is really the only thing you find people saying they made money on in these forums).

      CHEERS!
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      • Profile picture of the author LiamP
        Congratulations Scott, that's awesome.

        On this point, if anybody knows of a list of the best paying affiliate offers or leads, it'd be great to see.
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        • Profile picture of the author scott g
          Originally Posted by LiamP View Post

          Congratulations Scott, that's awesome.

          On this point, if anybody knows of a list of the best paying affiliate offers or leads, it'd be great to see.

          That is a PERFECT Segue! I meant ask that at the end of my post but couldn't think of that damn word I was thinking Segway! But that's a scooter
          :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim Ross
        Originally Posted by scott g View Post

        That's a good question Jay. There are many individuals that do generate "leads" and sell them to Law Firms around the nation. It's a VERY lucrative business.

        I actually work for a national firm that litigates against the largest multinational corporations in the World. Ever hear of Yaz, Paxil, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Citibank, Capital One (all the banks) Phen Fen, Vioxx, Levaquin, Mesothelioma (to name just a few), personal Injury, product liability, antitrust, etc. I kind of have an unfair advantage... It's my Uncle's (and a partner's) Firm...

        I've been an AVID web site builder and getting deeper and deeper into SEO/SEM over the last two years.

        Let me give my example I gave my Uncle. I am working on a settlement against GlaxoSmithKline (the pharmaceutical company (this is my main focus at the firm)). I was told we were NOT a "Marketing Firm," which I am single handedly changing. A couple dozen law firms from around the US refer their cases and clients to us to litigate and try in court. That means we split our contingent fee with the referring attorneys and/or firm. So Contingent fee = 40-50%. So 40-50% of the original 40-50% fee goes to referring counsel. These are average numbers to go by.

        Another site of mine has generated 30-40 solid claims in the last 2 months (approximately $30k*30=$900k NON split contingent fee profit for the firm. Become a lawyer and you can get paid contingent fees! I'm not a lawyer... But like I said, I have an unfair advantage. I've been at the firm Since October. I'm not rich. Lawyer or no lawyer - Contingent fees mean you are paid when the case is settled... So that could be a year for all I know.

        I may have jumped the gun with the title of this post. But I could not control my excitement! For all I know it could be more or less - Not to mention the site generated a second claim today that is unclear... But that could become a very easy $2m case... Who knows?! I could have another gold mine tomorrow that makes the law firm $15m in 2 weeks.

        I used what I've learned in these forums, and through trial and error to build legal sites the law firm I'm at to broaden the their horizon and earning potential. My goal is to turn a portion of the firm... Into a Marketing Firm.


        I'll give you a valuable example of a site I don't feel like making. I think the term was "asbestos cancer lawsuit" or just "asbsestos cancer" competition is tough but beatable. The keyword tool doesn't seem to be working right now... But if I remember correctly average CPC was like $50. I think a Paxil birth defect click was like $70? That's cash for clicks! There are a lot of HIGHLY targeted legal terms.

        One lead - One Click - Could be potentially worth millions. One firm we deal with speands approximately $1-2m in advertising for 5 leads. Television spots that may generate 20-50 claims may cost $15-$25m.Those are Adsense CLICKS. Not super high search volume, but it's highly targeted.

        of you did your homework, built an asbestos mesothelioma cancer and got some qualifed leads... You could probably sell one to a firm for $25k-$100k. Sounds unfathomable... But it's very realistic. We spend $30k A WEEK on ordering medical records. The numbers that get thrown around are ridiculous. I used to think it was just like that on TV until I was having conversations with 2 federal judges, the attorney state general, governor, and senator at the Law Firms Christmas party.

        I just want people to know that there is so much OUT there than just IM related products and services (which is really the only thing you find people saying they made money on in these forums).

        CHEERS!
        Great post! Amazed at the numbers here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Sweeney
          Great post man, very happy for ya. You definitely sparked some interest in me to look for some *much* more lucrative niches. Keep up the good work!
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    Wow! That is awesome - I would love to hear more about the strategies you used on this website and the process of finding the lawyers to work with etc.
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      AWESOME...
      really well-done, Im actually dying to know more details of this and im sure all the other warriors are too..

      but keep up the good work.
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    ....Damn.... that is all
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    Congrats....
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      Just goes to show that the options are limitless. Thanks for the enthusiasm!!
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      • Profile picture of the author scott g
        I would keep giving "Thanks" but I think I ran out for the day LOL! Is that a WF rule?!

        Here's a couple ideas just to throw out there... You know when you do "what's the highest cpc for adsnse" searches and you see stuff like "insurance, car insurance, life insurance, car, whatever..." Start digging deeper and you'd be shocked at what you can find when targeting smaller niches and long-tail keywords - $10+ per clicks are pretty easy to come by.... But a lot of times (not always) it takes a little grit to get ranked on page ONE! But... You shouldn't be going for the super quick, super easy route anyway... That won't get you too far or last forever.



        You are required to work your ****ing ass off at this firm. We want winners here, not pikers. A piker walks at the bell. A piker asks how much vacation time you get in the first year. Vacation time? People come and work at this firm for one reason: to become filthy rich. That's it. We're not here to make friends. We're not savin' the ****in' manatees here, guys. You want vacation time? Go teach third grade, public school. The first three months at the firm are as a trainee. You make $150 a week. After you're done training, you take the Series Seven. You pass that, you become a junior broker and you're opening accounts for your team leader. You open 40 accounts, you start workin' for yourself. Sky's the limit. Word or two about being a trainee. Friends, parents, other brokers, whoever, they're gonna give you **** about it. It's true. $150 a week? Not a lot of money. Pay them no mind. You need to learn this business, and this is the time to do it. Once you pass the test, none of that's gonna matter. Your friends are ****. You tell them you made 25 grand last month, they're not gonna ****in' believe you. **** them! **** 'em! Parents don't like the life you lead? '**** you, Mom and Dad.' See how it feels when you're makin' their ****in' Lexus payments. Now, go home and think about it. Think about whether or not this is really for you.

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        • Profile picture of the author BradBergeron
          Originally Posted by scott g View Post

          I would keep giving "Thanks" but I think I ran out for the day LOL! Is that a WF rule?!

          Here's a couple ideas just to throw out there... You know when you do "what's the highest cpc for adsnse" searches and you see stuff like "insurance, car insurance, life insurance, car, whatever..." Start digging deeper and you'd be shocked at what you can find when targeting smaller niches and long-tail keywords - $10+ per clicks are pretty easy to come by.... But a lot of times (not always) it takes a little grit to get ranked on page ONE! But... You shouldn't be going for the super quick, super easy route anyway... That won't get you too far or last forever.



          Takes a little more than grit my friend. Search Mesothelioma Attorneys San Diego. Just over 40 searches/month for that term, but .com/.net/.org and everything else is taken, plus google it and look at the competing page. You don't stand a chance at ranking for that term.
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            Originally Posted by BradBergeron View Post

            Takes a little more than grit my friend. Search Mesothelioma Attorneys San Diego. Just over 40 searches/month for that term, but .com/.net/.org and everything else is taken, plus google it and look at the competing page. You don't stand a chance at ranking for that term.
            Hey Brad. Good question. And actually you can rank for anything w/o having and EMD... I don't think "Mesothelioma Attorneys San Diego" would be too hard to crack. Ranking takes time though... And anyone is beatable.

            I'm thinking about putting together a new site and targeting a search term that has INSANELY high competition. It will be very, very difficult to rank page one, but I want to see if I can do it. Search volume is stupid low to lol! I'll let you know how that goes

            Make sure you're doing your keyword and competition research correctly.


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  • Profile picture of the author Ronny Kibet
    Thanks Scott. $720k is legendary.
    Congrats man.
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    • Profile picture of the author scott g
      Oh, and in that image above, I know for a FACT that Estimated Daily Clicks is COMPLETELY & UTTERLY WRONG!!
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        Wow this is unheard off .... congrates to you!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Scoop
        Originally Posted by scott g View Post

        Oh, and in that image above, I know for a FACT that Estimated Daily Clicks is COMPLETELY & UTTERLY WRONG!!
        Hey Scott, congratulations on this - awesome.

        Could you give us some idea of how wrong the figures are? I am interested in the Google stats generally.
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        • Profile picture of the author scott g
          Originally Posted by Scoop View Post

          Hey Scott, congratulations on this - awesome.

          Could you give us some idea of how wrong the figures are? I am interested in the Google stats generally.
          I'm not exactly sure how off the #'s are, all I know is that they are inaccurate. I looked up stats/variations for a term that an Adsense site of mine ranks for - It ranks number one for one search phrase and has for over a year now. I receive well over 100 Adsense clicks/month, but the Google Traffic Estimator insists ZERO Estimated Daily Clicks...

          The Google Adwords Keyword Tool/Traffic Estimator has never been completely accurate, but they do give good estimates go off of typically.
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    You will be a hero billionaire in the next two months, i am sure
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      Congratulations Scott! That's really awesome.
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    Hey Scott

    Just sent ya a PM

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Epic thread. Awesome. I took a look at one of your sites too. Makes me feel like a loser selling clickbank products Too bad i dont know anything about the law. You definitely combined SEO and IM in an incredible lucrative way - impressive, to say the least!!

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    awesome gain!!
    even if it does take a year or two, that's a HELL of a lead!! haha.
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    Awesome!
    Great Job dude
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan Johnson
      That's incredible! It looks like you've put in the hard work and deserve it.

      On another note, those CPA offers that pay $500 for a lead now look worthless.

      That actually might be an area that you could cash in on. Pay $500 for a lead that generates $$$$$$.
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        Originally Posted by Ryan Johnson View Post

        That's incredible! It looks like you've put in the hard work and deserve it.

        On another note, those CPA offers that pay $500 for a lead now look worthless.

        That actually might be an area that you could cash in on. Pay $500 for a lead that generates $$$$$$.
        Makes you wonder how much $$ the $500 CPA is generating for the advertiser.

        Chances are, the advertiser is paying pennies on the dollar.
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  • Profile picture of the author rikudustyle
    Congrats man !
    You will be the richest man on this forum soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author scott g
      Originally Posted by rikudustyle View Post

      Congrats man !
      You will be the richest man on this forum soon.

      LOL! Probably not... The uber rich ones don't have promotions in their signatures or WSO's for sale. B/c they're not in the IM marketing niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    My head is spinning with ideas.

    Nice work Scott!

    I would have paid top dollar for a WSO titled "How I made $720k off ONE lead"

    You're a good man for sharing this info.

    Thank You!
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    Hey Scott,

    Congratulations!!..Keep it up!!
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    Amazing! I shared this with many of my colleagues today who had previously been doubting my online efforts. Their faces changed today. Thank you for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliverinside
    Scott,

    EYE opening! Congrats of your successes, and thanks beyond words can describe for sharing this info. Every day people walk by the stacks of dollars on their way to pick up a few pennies. You've provided the reminder to pay attention to the stacks of dollars right before our eyes, and stop focusing on the pennies.

    Thank you for this great post.

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    This is literally so awesome, well done!
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    • Profile picture of the author scott g
      The phone book no longer exists. Anything and everything is online. People don't say "Google it" for nothing.

      Local businesses and National businesses are looking for new clients and leads and are more than willing to pay top dollar for qualified (and sometimes non-qualified) leads and/or referrals. You could even offer an entrepreneurial/financial/medical/flower shop/whatever a "subscription" to your site. It is done ALL the time.

      Basically, you do your research and find multiple companies that are looking for the same thing... Locally or Nationally - Doesn't matter. Build a site... Your site, a site YOU own and operate. Set up a new email, put a submission form on your website that asks for more than just name/number/email. Set up a friggin Google Phone and so they can call you if they don't want to fill out a form. Filter the leads on through to whoever is "subscribing" to your site for that month, quarter, year...

      Remember Wal-Mart got big by cutting out the middle man. This isn't brick and mortar here... You are the middleman. The question is are you connecting consumers and clients together for a $20 affiliate sale or $5 CPA submission? Or something bigger? Replace your CPA clicks with real business referrals. Generate some leads and give em to a company for free, as good faith and proof you've got something valuable to offer their business.

      If they turn a quick and easy profit or gain a new client, do you REALLY think they're going to tell you "No thanks. Not interested?!?"

      Is there more work doing something like this? Yes. In my opinion this is a business plan. TO ME CPA clicks, Adsense sites, and affiliate sales is NOT a long-term, long-lasting, you can work 'til retirement business plan.

      Sorry I rambled again... I have a tendency to do that. I'm excited b/c I'm beginning to do exactly what I mentioned above. You know how much money you need to do something like this? Nothing. Well, ten bucks for a domain and ten bucks a month for unlimited hosting... Everything else can be done with an internet connection.

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      • Profile picture of the author tayuyaa
        Wow, really that is crazy, I didnt understand everything but what you have done sounds amazing !!
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          wow awesome. congratulations man.
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          • Profile picture of the author scott g
            Originally Posted by lassy715 View Post

            Wow scott, congrats man - im sure you put a lot of work into that and it def paid off. inspiring....thats all i can say.
            I've put a sh*t ton of work in (in the office and at home). I'm a dork! When I'm not working on a site I'm on the forum! Geez! I'm researching this weekend for two new sites to begin this week. It never ends. And the sites that I have perfected, are still young, so there is still room to move up in the SERPs - It seems they like to hang out at #6,7,8,9! NO BUENO! So it's a never ending process :p I need a little break from it though right now.

            Originally Posted by rolltide View Post

            how do you track the clients to make sure the greedy lawyer doesn't screw you?
            Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

            It's his Uncle's firm
            This is true. Everything is chartered so we know where cases are coming from. Dozens of law firms send us their clients, their referrals, their contingent fees - So we have to be good at keeping tracking b/c some law firms livelihoods depend on us... That in no way meant to sound conceited of condescending, it's the honest truth.
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        Originally Posted by scott g View Post

        You are the middleman.
        A colleague of mine makes over 50K a month acting as a middle man.
        Dunno how he does it exactly but he hooks up buyers and sellers of earth moving and mining equipment.
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          Originally Posted by Craig McPherson View Post

          A colleague of mine makes over 50K a month acting as a middle man.
          Dunno how he does it exactly but he hooks up buyers and sellers of earth moving and mining equipment.
          I was really debating on whether to post this stupid little thread or not, but my excitement and enthusiasm got the best of me and I'm glad that I did. I want to see and read things like this from respected Warriors like Craig. Instead of Micro this, Micro that... Shoot for the stars jump out of the box!
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    Excellent thread. Well done, Scott!
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    Congrats, buddy.
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    This is totally awesome man
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    So awesome. Very unique combination of skills/methods to produce some unfathomable results. Congrats.
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  • Profile picture of the author redcell1
    Well thanks for sharing Scott. I mean I don't plan to go into your niche or line of work anytime soon but it's good to hear something completely clear of the usual CPA/WSO/Ebook/Offline talk. Hope you get paid soon for that lead and use the money for retirement
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    how do you track the clients to make sure the greedy lawyer doesn't screw you?
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    • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
      Originally Posted by rolltide View Post

      how do you track the clients to make sure the greedy lawyer doesn't screw you?
      It's his Uncle's firm
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    Congrats. Its encouraging to all Internet Marketing Entrepreneurs.
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  • Profile picture of the author espresso
    well done man
    I was thinking about this myself awhile ago
    High end affiliate sites
    selling houses, boats, planes etc

    I did google it but found zip

    How long did it take you to get the referal
    Was it based on them winning the case or just the lawyer taking it on
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    • Profile picture of the author scott g
      Originally Posted by espresso View Post

      well done man
      I was thinking about this myself awhile ago
      High end affiliate sites
      selling houses, boats, planes etc

      I did google it but found zip

      How long did it take you to get the referal
      Was it based on them winning the case or just the lawyer taking it on
      Thanks Espresso!

      You can be an affiliate w/o going the affiliate route. If you were going to be referring clients a real estate agent or whatever, slap up a site with a form, rank it, and hopefully you'll generate some real, solid, concrete leads... Leads worth real $$! A lot more than a click transferring a website visitor to another site.

      I know for a fact that there are plenty of money hungry real estate agents out there that want some qualified leads... $50k houses maybe not the highest pay out... Million dollar houses EASY $5k payout...

      Obviously, it's more in-depth then just building a site, having forms submitted to you, which you can then qualify yourself or sell off - Do you want to get paid on a per lead basis, or monthly subscription?! You can't sign contingent fee agreements if you're not a lawyer, so sorry to burst bubbles! :p

      The traffic for my targeted keyword is very low - but it's highly targeted traffic. Competition is fierce and I just broke page one for the keyword I was pushing about 2-weeks ago. I've received maybe 9 or 10 leads through this one website, but they weren't "qualified" or too far outside state statutes. But I got one. One really solid one. We flew out, she signed on to our representation.

      You see big money business will pay a lot for website face time or per lead basis... B/c even if they spend $50k for five months or 50 leads... All it takes is one winner to justify their expenses... ten, twenty, fifty fold!


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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Dean
    Well done Scott!

    If you do a WSO and price it at $100 a pop, you will definately have a thousand dollars in several seconds from lift-off!

    Go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Richardson
    Inspiring dude. Very Jealous but f**K it you deserve it. Hard work pays off. period. Definitely got the creative juices flowing now! Good luck for the future!
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  • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
    About contingent fees and being lawyer...

    Are you saying if some marketer referred to your firm the example which you started this thread about...then they wouldn't be entitled to the $720k? Coz after all your uncle's firm have the lawyers to do this contingent fee agreement, from which you are getting a cut (30-40% of it I think you said)

    Please clarify...

    Thanks

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    • Profile picture of the author scott g
      Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

      About contingent fees and being lawyer...

      Are you saying if some marketer referred to your firm the example which you started this thread about...then they wouldn't be entitled to the $720k? Coz after all your uncle's firm have the lawyers to do this contingent fee agreement, from which you are getting a cut (30-40% of it I think you said)

      Please clarify...

      Thanks

      Jack
      No you are right. Lawyers are entitled to contingent fees... So if that claim was referred to us from another law firm (which they are all the time) then THAT law firms name would be on the contingent fee agreement as well as ours.

      It would basically say "Our law firm and this law firm represent you blah blah..." Then further down the page it would break down the fee: "30-40% of settlement + expenses go to our firm (30-40% of our fee goes to their firm)." It's confusing legal jargon LOL!

      Does that kind of make sense?!? I'm not a lawyer. I just have the benefit of being the family member of the guy who runs this big a$$ firm. The money that is tossed around on a daily basis is unfathomable.

      Here's something to think about... Goes to show how much you can do on your own with almost zero funds... I was told XXX firm referred 5 of these cases a couple weeks prior.... Maybe 3 of the 5 will end up being good cases and settling. The point is that this firm probably spent a million dollars on advertising/marketing to get those couple of cases - Probably through print or tv commercials. There's a lot of "if's" involved... If it's a good case and if the injuries are substantial enough they may make $1.75mil - the mil for advertising = $750k profit. Those are very lose #'s but you get the picture.

      On the other hand, someone who has some business sense and knows his stuff about SEO/SEM could generate those same leads for, I dunno, a hundred bucks?!

      The point is big corporations and companies want to pay you for information! Like I said before "you're the middle man" look hard, dig deep, and you'll find your pot of gold waiting for the taking. It's kind of a mix of an online/offline business.

      You got a site about condos in palm springs that ranks high and gets traffic - call or email the big name realtors in the area - tell the you'll give them face time $5k a month or something. Lol! It's there!
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      • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
        Originally Posted by scott g View Post

        No you are right. Lawyers are entitled to contingent fees... So if that claim was referred to us from another law firm (which they are all the time) then THAT law firms name would be on the contingent fee agreement as well as ours.

        It would basically say "Our law firm and this law firm represent you blah blah..." Then further down the page it would break down the fee: "30-40% of settlement + expenses go to our firm (30-40% of our fee goes to their firm)." It's confusing legal jargon LOL!

        Does that kind of make sense?!? I'm not a lawyer. I just have the benefit of being the family member of the guy who runs this big a$$ firm. The money that is tossed around on a daily basis is unfathomable.

        Here's something to think about... Goes to show how much you can do on your own with almost zero funds... I was told XXX firm referred 5 of these cases a couple weeks prior.... Maybe 3 of the 5 will end up being good cases and settling. The point is that this firm probably spent a million dollars on advertising/marketing to get those couple of cases - Probably through print or tv commercials. There's a lot of "if's" involved... If it's a good case and if the injuries are substantial enough they may make $1.75mil - the mil for advertising = $750k profit. Those are very lose #'s but you get the picture.

        On the other hand, someone who has some business sense and knows his stuff about SEO/SEM could generate those same leads for, I dunno, a hundred bucks?!

        The point is big corporations and companies want to pay you for information! Like I said before "you're the middle man" look hard, dig deep, and you'll find your pot of gold waiting for the taking. It's kind of a mix of an online/offline business.

        You got a site about condos in palm springs that ranks high and gets traffic - call or email the big name realtors in the area - tell the you'll give them face time $5k a month or something. Lol! It's there!
        Gotcha.

        BUT...let's say I have a site ranking for some ''lawsuit'' relating keyword. And I get a visitor and I refer them to a firm like yours that takes the case on solely and wins....surely out of the 30-40% contingent fee, then I could negotiate for 30% of that, say under affiliate/marketing services rendered.

        Think of it like doing lead generating sites under the firm's name with their permission (as an internet marketer I can do this) but instead of having a monthly fee for sending referrals, the fee only comes when a referral leads into $$$....

        Would that be plausible?
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          Originally Posted by JackTriggs View Post

          Gotcha.

          BUT...let's say I have a site ranking for some ''lawsuit'' relating keyword. And I get a visitor and I refer them to a firm like yours that takes the case on solely and wins....surely out of the 30-40% contingent fee, then I could negotiate for 30% of that, say under affiliate/marketing services rendered.

          Think of it like doing lead generating sites under the firm's name with their permission (as an internet marketer I can do this) but instead of having a monthly fee for sending referrals, the fee only comes when a referral leads into $$$....

          Would that be plausible?
          This is VERY initiative and could be true... It is considered unethical to share contingent fees with NON lawyers... Your name can't be listed as referring counsel if you're not bar certified. I'm not getting a contingent fee... I'm getting a "bonus."

          For lead generation, a firm will typically pay a lead generator/referrer who is not an attorney on a per lead basis or by monthly subscription. Basically meaning they might pay you 10grand a month for leads your site generates for that month. As a referrer you want to get paid UP FRONT... Not one, two, or three years after the origination date. The case could go sour, their may not be a case at all, the courts might not rule in your favor, statutes change... There's alot of if's.
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            Originally Posted by scott g View Post

            This is VERY initiative and could be true... It is considered unethical to share contingent fees with NON lawyers... Your name can't be listed as referring counsel if you're not bar certified. I'm not getting a contingent fee... I'm getting a "bonus."

            For lead generation, a firm will typically pay a lead generator/referrer who is not an attorney on a per lead basis or by monthly subscription. Basically meaning they might pay you 10grand a month for leads your site generates for that month. As a referrer you want to get paid UP FRONT... Not one, two, or three years after the origination date. The case could go sour, their may not be a case at all, the courts might not rule in your favor, statutes change... There's alot of if's.
            Still though when it pays off...it must be nice :-)
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    Wow, I can't believe it man ... This is just incredible... I think now I know which niche to target
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    40% did you say for your end?

    That is a family deal if I ever heard one.

    Good going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author scott g
    Originally Posted by enstat View Post

    This is great info!

    Let's say I manage to rank #1 for say methothelioma lawyers dallas and I have a form on my site and am collecting leads. If I contacted methothelioma lawyers in Dallas how much do you think I should charge per lead and could I sell the same lead to more than one law firm?

    Also would it be better to sell leads or say I have a site ranking #1 for methothelioma lawyers dallas. I imagine it could be worth quite a bit to them and could sell for a nice sum.
    Sure you could flip a site that way pretty damn easily. You NEVER want to sell the same lead to different firms... Huge no-no...

    I dunno. Meso cases are very lucrative as well, but good ones are hard to come by. Maybe one out of every 5 leads will make it into court. You could give a firm a lead or two in good faith - obviously you give them something good they're going to want more... F8ck em! Charge em 10k / month. Charge a grand a lead! That's a little unheard of... Maybe 500. But let's be completely realistic you could easily get 20 leads submitted to you through a form or by phone... Well that's 10grand so that's kind of a bad example LOL! You get the point!
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      If anyone is wanting ask specific questions about numbers/ethics/legality - You can PM me. I'm not going to sell a WSO LOL! But some things aren't for everyone's eyes.

      Thanks for all the nice comments, questions, feedback, and support guys! That's why I love this forum! I actually ran out of being able to give "Thanks" to people for a couple days!!!

      CHEERS!
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    Awesome ideas, Scott, and thanks for expanding on your original post. I have thought about setting up a site for a single service in a location, but I hadn't quite got the lead capture aspect clear. Now I know which way to go, but I still will need some more specifics on how to do it. Will check out th eLocal Marketing forum on the WF. thanks again
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    • Profile picture of the author scott g
      Originally Posted by FivestarHB View Post

      Awesome ideas, Scott, and thanks for expanding on your original post. I have thought about setting up a site for a single service in a location, but I hadn't quite got the lead capture aspect clear. Now I know which way to go, but I still will need some more specifics on how to do it. Will check out th eLocal Marketing forum on the WF. thanks again
      Glad I could maybe broaden your horizon or give you that extra bump you needed to move forward! The Offline forum would be able to shed A LOT of light on how to go about capturing offline clients!

      I did do advertising for a little (JUMBO Door Hangers)! LOL! I learned a lot from that forum actually too! I spend most of my time in this subforum though, because SEO is where my interest is.
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    WTG! Nothing like being able to increase your odds of winning with a lottery ticket that gives you a good odds each and every day.
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    Amazing Scott, congratulations.
    Keep on posting to motivate us.

    Cheers.
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    Scott,

    Is it still doable almost two years later, I mean many things might have changed: maybe more leads generator, other means for lawyers to get leads...

    Kindly let us know ur feedback about success of a such business nowadays.

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author wlasikiewicz
    Originally Posted by scott g View Post

    I'm sorry!!! I just had to share this with somebody!!! And since MOST of what I've learned in regards to SEO & Keyword/Competition Research has come from THIS forum I wanted to say Thank You!

    Oh and... There is SOOOOOOOO much more out there than the IM niche and Adsense/Affiliate sites.

    CHEERS!
    Any chance you can share what you did to get that payout?
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      Originally Posted by wlasikiewicz View Post

      Any chance you can share what you did to get that payout?
      Kindly read the entire thread, the answer is inside
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Still searching my jaw somewhere in the room.

      I have to say we are all proud of you, and these are exactly the posts that inspire me and I'm sure many other to build sites and dream of making a living through the internet.

      Way to go man, anything I'll say won't come close to what I really think, this is amazing!!!!

      So, you're saying focus on the big payouts as for leads and sales, but I guess we all have to be original and find them, no?

      Are you contacting these firms yourself or do they offer their own "affiliate" plan? How does it work exactly if you can elaborate. I mean, can I set up a site and start from there? Offer their services?

      Thanks man, keep it up!
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