Blog commenting for SEO - STOP IT!

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I see a lot of advice on this here forum about using blog commeting as part of an SEO strategy.

I don't believe it works - most blogs are nofollow - and unfortunately nearly every comment I receive on my blogs is spam because some idiot wants a quick backlink. Today, I got this ridiculous comment:

"Hey, I'm having bad luck attempting to rank high for the words "kokomo dentist"... Pls approve my comment!!"

At least the guy's honest right? It's such a shame that the communal aspect of the blog platform has been abused to such extents that I wake up every morning with comment spam.

I know people are going to jump and say "offer value in your comments" which is noble, but nobody ever does. Just stop doing it, and stop advising others do it - it's NOT an "SEO strategy" and you should feel dirty for doing it!
#blog #commenting #seo #stop
  • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
    All the majors suggest it, but no much point doing it in any old blog like yours. Don't agree with "dirty" statement, everything is fair in love, war and internet marketing!
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    • Profile picture of the author hilaryaustin
      well at least that person who commented on was sincere and straight to the point. That's why we have the choice to either approve or disapprove a certain comment regardless of it's a nonsense or not.

      And this people who are just acting completely useless leave them for they are the one wasting there time and effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author deanmoney
      Blog commenting for the time being is part of SEO. If people with blogs want to reduce spam they make comments nofollow or reject comments.

      But leaving a good comment on a dofollow site that has a high PR helps your site. If the blog on the other hand is never updated and has 100's of dofollow comments then that page will lose whatever PR is had making those comments useless.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

      Don't agree with "dirty" statement, everything is fair in love, war and internet marketing!
      That's precisely the mentality that:
      a) leads to most of us turning on anti-spam comment software and zapping your stupid comments into oblivion
      b) gives IM a bad name, and
      c) causes the FTC (US), the ASA (UK) and many others to create legislation to stop people like you!
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      • Profile picture of the author matt5409
        Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

        That's precisely the mentality that:
        a) leads to most of us turning on anti-spam comment software and zapping your stupid comments into oblivion
        b) gives IM a bad name, and
        c) causes the FTC (US), the ASA (UK) and many others to create legislation to stop people like you!
        a good point. this scramble to get links by whatever means necessary doesnt do anybody any good.
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      • Profile picture of the author lexscripta
        Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

        That's precisely the mentality that:
        a) leads to most of us turning on anti-spam comment software and zapping your stupid comments into oblivion
        b) gives IM a bad name, and
        c) causes the FTC (US), the ASA (UK) and many others to create legislation to stop people like you!
        Preach it!
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        • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
          Originally Posted by lexscripta View Post

          Preach it!
          You know you can jusat say thanks using the button provided, making a pointless comment generates a pointless email to those who subscribed.

          This whole thread has been nothing but whining.

          I will now unsubscribe and leave you to get on with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    It does work, but you have to do it right. Need proof? Google the keywords "make money online" and checkout some of the top 5 sites. There is one in particular who has gotten there with mostly blog comments.

    But, here's the thing... in order for them to work, they have to be on high PR pages (not the main page of the site, the page of the comment) they have to be mostly dofollow and they have to be intelligent comments so that they actually get approved.

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    • Yup it does work. It's the easiest way to get PR3, 4 and 5 backlinks on a daily basis. As you did mention, offer value. You say no one does but I try to. Personally I've found that the subject of the blog doesn't have to be related to your site. Sure it helps, but a PR4 backlink from a site that isn't in your niche will still give you some nice link juice.

      So I comment on blogs that I am interested in. That makes it a lot easier to actually read the post and add some value. This also increases the chance of your comment being posted.
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    • Profile picture of the author pwtmike
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      It does work, but you have to do it right. Need proof? Google the keywords "make money online" and checkout some of the top 5 sites. There is one in particular who has gotten there with mostly blog comments.

      But, here's the thing... in order for them to work, they have to be on high PR pages (not the main page of the site, the page of the comment) they have to be mostly dofollow and they have to be intelligent comments so that they actually get approved.

      Lee
      I agree that you have to do it right.

      I leverage blog backlinks as part of a diversified strategy and this is only a fraction of the SEO work I put into one domain name/keyword ranking pair.

      There are certain ways to leave a comment in a manual way which can be of no benefit to you and it may not even get approved. And there are certain ways you can leave automated comments that are of benefit and will stick and/or get approved. With enough trial and error you will learn how to use blog commenting correctly. Blog commenting is just one of many easy ways to get a link to your site. You do need a back link campaign for your site, you don't have to use blog links but they do help when you are looking for a diversified link strategy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
        Blog commenting on aged high pr blogs that are relevant to your niche does in fact work very well.

        There are many sites I have ranked with little more than 50 pr 3-7 blog comments, 20 mixed anchor text links to make it natural, a premier social monkee drip, and one spun article to 3 blog link syndicates like article ranks ect...

        For medium comp keywords this will usually get me to page 1 and then I will push it from there.

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  • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
    I do it, and it works just fine, because I make an effort to write actual, meaningful content, rather than "thank you for that great post, now scratch my back and gimme a backlink".

    It only takes a couple of minuts, and then I can simply edit the post slightly and go on to the next blog\forum. Someimtes I get 10-20 backlinks in one sitting, raning from PR0-PR6. Most are PR1-2 to be honest, but I do get lucky at times.
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    • Profile picture of the author suemax
      Originally Posted by wanna-succeed View Post

      I do it, and it works just fine, because I make an effort to write actual, meaningful content, rather than "thank you for that great post, now scratch my back and gimme a backlink".

      It only takes a couple of minuts, and then I can simply edit the post slightly and go on to the next blogforum. Someimtes I get 10-20 backlinks in one sitting, raning from PR0-PR6. Most are PR1-2 to be honest, but I do get lucky at times.
      Thanks for the first-hand report. I wouldn't dream of auto-commenting. How on earth can that be meaningful? Thank you, I will take notice, good comment Fred.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    It might work for some of you, some of the time, but I don't see how it can be implemented into an actual long-term strategy. I never spend time doing it personally.

    and @rkcc4 "any old blog like yours" - you have NO IDEA what blogs I run :O
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    • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      It might work for some of you, some of the time, but I don't see how it can be implemented into an actual long-term strategy. I never spend time doing it personally.

      and @rkcc4 "any old blog like yours" - you have NO IDEA what blogs I run :O
      There is software that tracks down and locates places for you to place links which will be relevant to your site & niche.
      All you need to do is then click on the sites, post, and then poof! ---> A backlink appears
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      but I don't see how it can be implemented into an actual long-term strategy. I never spend time doing it personally.
      THAT is why you're only seeing this in black or white.

      You haven't done it and seen how it can work well within your marketing mix and you've experienced the crap side of receiving it. No wonder you have the perspective you do.

      BUT - that does not mean other people aren't using it to good effect.

      Telling people to stop doing it, stop telling others to do it and to feel like crap if they do do it is quite frankly - stupid.

      Sorry, but your position is so polarised you're not even aware that it's a solid strategy that is making a big difference for people.

      Sure there are the normal spammers who will spew out crap onto any blog without regard - but that does not define the whole strategy.

      You have the right to say what you think - but when you start ordering others to think the same way and attack anyone who does something you've pigeon-holed as completely bad - you're not likely to get much of a diverse set of responses from people.

      When you draw a line in the sand like that it's easy for people to jump on one side or the other when in fact with just a little bit of common-sense blog commenting can be a positive (win-win for everyone) strategy.

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      • Profile picture of the author matt5409
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        THAT is why you're only seeing this in black or white.

        You haven't done it and seen how it can work well within your marketing mix and you've experienced the crap side of receiving it. No wonder you have the perspective you do.

        BUT - that does not mean other people aren't using it to good effect.

        Telling people to stop doing it, stop telling others to do it and to feel like crap if they do do it is quite frankly - stupid.

        Sorry, but your position is so polarised you're not even aware that it's a solid strategy that is making a big difference for people.

        Sure there are the normal spammers who will spew out crap onto any blog without regard - but that does not define the whole strategy.

        You have the right to say what you think - but when you start ordering others to think the same way and attack anyone who does something you've pigeon-holed as completely bad - you're not likely to get much of a diverse set of responses from people.

        When you draw a line in the sand like that it's easy for people to jump on one side or the other when in fact with just a little bit of common-sense blog commenting can be a positive (win-win for everyone) strategy.

        Andy
        it depends on your motivation - do you want to contribute or do you just want a backlink?

        it really is that simple

        i have no problem with people who link up their real name and offer a valuable comment, but my point is - it hardly ever happens.

        and i stand by my statement that it's not a strategy. people who use auot software to find blogs to comment on may THINK this is a strategy but in actual fact they're just contributing to the vast amounts of spam that's already out there.

        i'm not forcing anybody to think anything - my title is controversial (duh - it's a marketing forum). i'm not naive enough to think that this thread will make a bit of difference to this spam culture we have in IM.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

          i have no problem with people who link up their real name and offer a valuable comment, but my point is - it hardly ever happens.
          I think THAT is the reason for the difference in our opinions - I DO see it a lot and I DO it too. I know a lot of IMers who do it too.

          The fact that YOU don't see it does NOT mean it's not happening.

          You're massively generalising and attacking the masses - but you don't realise that there are a lot of people here who are doing what you say you think is good but you're assuming they don't.

          So - your headline is overly drammatic and doesn't represent your real thoughts - Because this is a marketing forum?

          I know some people think marketing and lying are the same thing but in order for people to be able to have rational discussions it helps NOT to blow your headline out of proportion just to get views.
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          • Profile picture of the author matt5409
            Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

            I think THAT is the reason for the difference in our opinions - I DO see it a lot and I DO it too. I know a lot of IMers who do it too.

            The fact that YOU don't see it does NOT mean it's not happening.

            You're massively generalising and attacking the masses - but you don't realise that there are a lot of people here who are doing what you say you think is good but you're assuming they don't.

            So - your headline is overly drammatic and doesn't represent your real thoughts - Because this is a marketing forum?

            I know some people think marketing and lying are the same thing but in order for people to be able to have rational discussions it helps NOT to blow your headline out of proportion just to get views.
            oh come on. people use shocking headlines all the time to get the views, so don't give me that.

            i'm not assuming anything about the people here - i'm sure there are those that incorporate it into their daily routines - this is a GOOD forum with generally GOOD people on it. what i'm referring to is the masses of people who blatently spam and you cannot tell me that these don't outweigh the people who do it properly. the reason this gets propagated so much is because it gets advised so often to newbies who want to get backlinks. things get lost in translation and too many folk take the easy approach of spamming.

            a man's allowed to moan.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Matt,

    It doesn't work for you, BUT it does not mean it can't (and it is) working for (many) others.

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    • Profile picture of the author jtoelle
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Matt,

      It doesn't work for you, BUT it does not mean it can't (and it is) working for (many) others.

      Blog commenting does work and is working and can be added to any backlinking strategy. And the nofollow tag was created by Google, Bing as far as I know doesn't recognize that tag as part of their algo. So any backlink can and should be considered valuable.

      To add diversity to your incoming links you should have a mix of nofollow/follow links and blog commenting is included in my backlinking strategy.

      I will agree there are more efficient ways to getting backlinks, Blog commenting is tedious and the success rate on approval is low. However when outsourced, it doesn't really matter unless you're on a tight budget.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Lowe
    Hi Matt,

    Good post. I hardly ever approve comments. I know the ones who are genuine and I check their site first.

    Rich
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  • Profile picture of the author sandrina
    Let me say honestly that there are blogs out there I visit only to make a comment on. I don't like to read them, but I try to make meaningful comments just to get approved.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    this seems to be a split pack now - let me clarify

    i'm sure blog commenting has worked for some of you, SOME of the time. but my point is that your prime reason for posting a comment should NOT be to get a backlink, which in my experience is the case 99% of the time.

    why not spend that time adding some content to your site and then writing an article to promote it? oh yea - that's too much work. blog commenting is a scummy way of getting a backlink and it is a pain in the ass for anybody that runs a genuine blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      this seems to be a split pack now - let me clarify

      i'm sure blog commenting has worked for some of you, SOME of the time. but my point is that your prime reason for posting a comment should NOT be to get a backlink, which in my experience is the case 99% of the time.

      why not spend that time adding some content to your site and then writing an article to promote it? oh yea - that's too much work. blog commenting is a scummy way of getting a backlink and it is a pain in the ass for anybody that runs a genuine blog.
      Or I could spend 15-20 mintues each day commenting on auto-approve, do-follow, high PR blogs.

      Seems to work for me
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      • Profile picture of the author matt5409
        Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky View Post

        Or I could spend 15-20 mintues each day commenting on auto-approve, do-follow, high PR blogs.

        Seems to work for me
        such a thing wont last. as i said, it's not a long-term strategy.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

          such a thing wont last. as i said, it's not a long-term strategy.
          You're wrong. Just because you don't see it like that doesn't make it so.

          I delete almost every comment on my blogs for the same reason as you - but I still don't think the concept is wrong -just the people who don't understand how to do it properly.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
          Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

          such a thing wont last. as i said, it's not a long-term strategy.
          And what claims do you have to back that up?

          You were already provided an example of a long term strategy using blog comments that works. Search "make money online" and you will find this website:

          Moola Days - Ways to Make Money Online (Fast & Free)

          Check the backlinks and you will see that a lot are from blog comments:

          Site Explorer - Search Results
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    • Profile picture of the author SirAlex
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      this seems to be a split pack now - let me clarify

      i'm sure blog commenting has worked for some of you, SOME of the time. but my point is that your prime reason for posting a comment should NOT be to get a backlink, which in my experience is the case 99% of the time.

      why not spend that time adding some content to your site and then writing an article to promote it? oh yea - that's too much work. blog commenting is a scummy way of getting a backlink and it is a pain in the ass for anybody that runs a genuine blog.
      You seem to have a serious case of bad attitude.

      I write articles, syndicate them, submit my site to web directories, syndicate my RSS feeds etc and one part of my backlinking is to add comments and join the conversation in the blog.

      We pretty much all do this and build a variety of links.

      If comment spam bothers you - turn the comments off.

      Or maybe generate targetted traffic to your blogs - then you will get valuable comments.

      :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author matt5409
        Originally Posted by SirAlex View Post

        You seem to have a serious case of bad attitude.

        I write articles, syndicate them, submit my site to web directories, syndicate my RSS feeds etc and one part of my backlinking is to add comments and join the conversation in the blog.

        We pretty much all do this and build a variety of links.

        If comment spam bothers you - turn the comments off.

        Or maybe generate targetted traffic to your blogs - then you will get valuable comments.

        :-)
        well done, grab yourself a cookie.

        if only we all thought like you and didn't go around setting up auto posting software to comment "thnx nice post" on 1000 blogs an hour.
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        • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
          Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

          well done, grab yourself a cookie.

          if only we all thought like you and didn't go around setting up auto posting software to comment "thnx nice post" on 1000 blogs an hour.
          Boyyyyyyyyyyyy, you must be on your period. I assume you have been victim to blog spam or are just pissed it's not working for you. Your'e right....from now on I will stop posting useful comments on blogs, they clearly don't work
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            Originally Posted by mbmehmet View Post

            Boyyyyyyyyyyyy, you must be on your period. I assume you have been victim to blog spam or are just pissed it's not working for you. Your'e right....from now on I will stop posting useful comments on blogs, they clearly don't work
            Lol, some people take it personal.

            Instead of dealing with it during blog setup, they piss & moan when it happens (comment spam).

            If they didn't like the spam they would take care of it before their blog went live.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      blog commenting is a scummy way of getting a backlink and it is a pain in the ass for anybody that runs a genuine blog.
      Last time I check it wasn't illegal. And your words just me feel insulted. AM I scum cause I comment blogs?

      Give me a break. Way to go insulting other members simply cause you don't like what others do, cause you can't work with it properly, or simply cause you don't agree with it.

      Just a idea: Why don't you show us a blog of yours so we can analyze your backlink campaigns? I bet we would find out some other forms of SEO "scum" techniques... right? Probably article marketing? Probably Social Networks? I have time to do it, just drop an URL.
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      • Profile picture of the author matt5409
        Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

        Last time I check it wasn't illegal. And your words just me feel insulted. AM I scum cause I comment blogs? Give me a break. Way to go insulting other members simply cause you don't like what others do, cause you can't work with it properly, or simply cause you don't agree with it. Just a idea: Why don't you show us a blog of yours so we can analyze your backlink campaigns? I bet we would find out some other forms of SEO "scum" techniques... right? Probably article marketing? Probably Social Networks? I have time to do it, just drop an URL.
        i'm sorry that you feel insulted. actually i'm not - because it wasn't a personal insult nor was it intend to those who comment properly, which is what you profess to do.

        my methods are purely article marketing and i do my best to ensure that content is of a good standard. in short, if i wouldn't read it myself, i won't post it.
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        • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
          Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

          i'm sorry that you feel insulted. actually i'm not - because it wasn't a personal insult nor was it intend to those who comment properly, which is what you profess to do.

          my methods are purely article marketing and i do my best to ensure that content is of a good standard. in short, if i wouldn't read it myself, i won't post it.
          See, the same thing can be said for blog commenting. I bet plenty of the article directories are tired of getting submissions that are, at best, poorly spun pieces of garbage. Just as many blog owners are tired of comments that are clearly automated & spammy.

          What makes submitting high quality articles any different than leaving high quality blog comments? Nothing. Most of my comments are done manually. On blogs that are heavily moderated. And I get great approval rates.

          There is nothing wrong with blog commenting of it's done right. Just as there's nothing wrong with submitting articles if it's done right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Diane S
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      this seems to be a split pack now - let me clarify

      i'm sure blog commenting has worked for some of you, SOME of the time. but my point is that your prime reason for posting a comment should NOT be to get a backlink, which in my experience is the case 99% of the time.

      why not spend that time adding some content to your site and then writing an article to promote it? oh yea - that's too much work. blog commenting is a scummy way of getting a backlink and it is a pain in the ass for anybody that runs a genuine blog.
      I see you enjoy blogging. Is your blog designed to create income, or is it something you do for fun? Check your blog settings to see if you can find a setting that will allow only approved users to even leave a comment. There must be a compromise. Your demands for everyone at Warrior Forum to stop using blog commenting as an SEO strategy are not going to get the results you desire. Neither is calling blog commenting 'scummy.'

      I find blog commenting to be one of the most productive uses of my time. I own two applications for finding blogs by niche. Once I find a post that is related to my website, I read the post, find something of value to add to the conversation, and I add it. Sometimes it is nearly as long as the post itself if I am really 'attached' to the topic. My comments get approved and also get replies from blog owners. I am the kind of person you WANT leaving a comment at your site. But you don't want my comments just because my motives are partially self-serving? If I get my backlink and you get VALUED content for free, is that not worth spending a few minutes moderating comments?

      I tested blog commenting and it works very well as a backlinking technique. I saw a direct correlation between blog commenting and a rise in both PR and in the SERPS of my sites.

      When I was a blogger writing tons of personal content, hoping a publisher would just happen to find my blog and offer me a book deal - yes, that is what I thought could happen - I always wanted lots of meaningful comments. Well you know I got lots of spam. Instead of getting angry, I got into action. Many spam comments got edited by me, the website URL stripped out, and the comment I crafted served to spur the conversation forward. Take the spam and use it to add content to your site. The search engines will see all those different IP addresses leaving content at your site. Sweet! Turn the bad into good. Set your emotions aside and turn this situation around. Sure, hit the spam button, but leave a few to edit and add value to your site with just the comments you had hoped for, plus a nice variety in the IP addresses leaving comments.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Originally Posted by Diane S View Post

        ...I tested blog commenting and it works very well as a backlinking technique. I saw a direct correlation between blog commenting and a rise in both PR and in the SERPS of my sites.

        When I was a blogger writing tons of personal content, hoping a publisher would just happen to find my blog and offer me a book deal - yes, that is what I thought could happen - I always wanted lots of meaningful comments. Well you know I got lots of spam. Instead of getting angry, I got into action. Many spam comments got edited by me, the website URL stripped out, and the comment I crafted served to spur the conversation forward. Take the spam and use it to add content to your site. The search engines will see all those different IP addresses leaving content at your site. Sweet! Turn the bad into good. Set your emotions aside and turn this situation around. Sure, hit the spam button, but leave a few to edit and add value to your site with just the comments you had hoped for, plus a nice variety in the IP addresses leaving comments.
        Hi Diane,

        Smart move. You are making limonade from lemons.

        Congrats on your mentality.

        All the best,

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        • Profile picture of the author James Clark
          Look I think we are beating a dead horse here. If there was an Entrepreneur test given much like the SAT some of us would not do very well. Especially, if there was question about working through others.

          Marketers think very fast, faster than most other people. That is why we have a very high mortality rate in this business some people or just too slow for Marketing. The Search Engines are never going to be your customers. People are behind those searches and Blog Comments. If they work for some people and not others, so be it.

          Personally, I would not give two cents in Chinese money for them. Honestly, I have no spent any time testing or trying to become an expert on them either. So that disqualifies me!
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        • Profile picture of the author rmoore
          Here is what I train people to do with their new blogs:

          [+] 20-30 legitimate comments on blogs in your niche when you first launch a site.
          [+] Ideally done over a period of 2-3 weeks.
          [+] Bookmark each post that you comment on.

          It is just a way to gain a bit of "Google Trust".

          It is just a one-time deal when getting a site rolling.

          After that they can simply comment on the top blogs in their niche to get direct traffic.

          Hope that helps

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      • Profile picture of the author Sonja
        Originally Posted by Diane S View Post

        Many spam comments got edited by me, the website URL stripped out, and the comment I crafted served to spur the conversation forward. Take the spam and use it to add content to your site. The search engines will see all those different IP addresses leaving content at your site. Sweet! Turn the bad into good. Set your emotions aside and turn this situation around. Sure, hit the spam button, but leave a few to edit and add value to your site with just the comments you had hoped for, plus a nice variety in the IP addresses leaving comments.
        Now this is something I would have never thought about...I simply hit the delete button. But now you've given me food for thought and another strategy to put in my hat.

        That is one helluva tip to put a spin on the spammers
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      • Profile picture of the author Hopp
        When I was a blogger writing tons of personal content, hoping a publisher would just happen to find my blog and offer me a book deal - yes, that is what I thought could happen - I always wanted lots of meaningful comments. Well you know I got lots of spam. Instead of getting angry, I got into action. Many spam comments got edited by me, the website URL stripped out, and the comment I crafted served to spur the conversation forward. Take the spam and use it to add content to your site. The search engines will see all those different IP addresses leaving content at your site. Sweet! Turn the bad into good. Set your emotions aside and turn this situation around. Sure, hit the spam button, but leave a few to edit and add value to your site with just the comments you had hoped for, plus a nice variety in the IP addresses leaving comments. [/QUOTE]

        This is a great idea, I'm going to try it!
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

          .... but why a wordpress users feels inclined to use comments baffles me.
          I think you have to go back to the roots of blogging, before publishers found out you could use blogging software as a CMS and SEO types that you could strip mine blogs for backlinks.

          In the olden days, you could track many blog communities that functioned more like a discussion forum spread across several sites. People posted on their own blogs, commented on others, freely linked to posts they were writing about on their own blogs.

          The comments and trackbacks were a big part of the experience. Now, with a few exceptions, they're a PITA...
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Diane S View Post


        When I was a blogger writing tons of personal content, hoping a publisher would just happen to find my blog and offer me a book deal - yes, that is what I thought could happen - I always wanted lots of meaningful comments. Well you know I got lots of spam. Instead of getting angry, I got into action. Many spam comments got edited by me, the website URL stripped out, and the comment I crafted served to spur the conversation forward. Take the spam and use it to add content to your site. The search engines will see all those different IP addresses leaving content at your site. Sweet! Turn the bad into good. Set your emotions aside and turn this situation around. Sure, hit the spam button, but leave a few to edit and add value to your site with just the comments you had hoped for, plus a nice variety in the IP addresses leaving comments.
        I take this idea even one step further. If it is a halfway decent comment, instead of stripping out the URL, I replace it with one of my own. Then edit the keywords to what I want and I have a shiny new backlink of my own.
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        • Profile picture of the author Diane S
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I take this idea even one step further. If it is a halfway decent comment, instead of stripping out the URL, I replace it with one of my own. Then edit the keywords to what I want and I have a shiny new backlink of my own.
          Call me paranoid, but I have no interest in interlinking my sites. I do not wish to reveal my network of sites, or even a small part of my network, to the general public or the Google bots. I stick by my original advice.

          Originally Posted by azmanar

          Note for DIANE S in terms of biz opportunities:
          After joining Yahoo Groups for a few months, I got book contracts. Now I'm writing my 2nd book for the same publisher. I also received other offers such as Business Presentation Authoring, Blog Content Authoring and invited as a trainer in various workshops.
          Congrats on those offers! Do you have a thread started where you share a few how-to's for obtaining a book contract through a membership in a Yahoo group?
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          • Profile picture of the author abs007
            Originally Posted by Diane S View Post

            Call me paranoid, but I have no interest in interlinking my sites. I do not wish to reveal my network of sites, or even a small part of my network, to the general public or the Google bots. I stick by my original advice.
            Yes I agree - and if the sites are hosted on the same server then its not good practice to interlink your sites
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          • Profile picture of the author azmanar
            Originally Posted by Diane S View Post

            Congrats on those offers! Do you have a thread started where you share a few how-to's for obtaining a book contract through a membership in a Yahoo group?
            Hi Diane,

            No. I have no threads on that yet. Let me share a bit here because I think Yahoo Groups is a good alternative in getting backlinks.

            Just impromptu, no crafting. Here goes:

            Why
            My main reason to join Yahoo Groups is to keep in touch with the real current affairs on the streets of Malaysia. I want to know what people really think and do. The newspapers, radio and TV are blatantly biased, thus have no value whatsoever.

            What
            The YG I joined has about 40k members from all walks of life. It is an active discussion group about everything. No niche. From cooking, car polish to politics to finding loans. Whatever. The moderators maintain order and make sure no spams get through. Even in heated debates, no swear words. They can disagree and become very angry with each other. No problem. No one hides their emotions there and what they feel about you.

            How
            When I write, I use proper Malay - no idioms, no slang & no colloquial. Very relaxed, very simple and not stiff. I end my responses or post with short motivational words or tips or hope. Whatever I post in YG, I maintain the KISS ( Keep It Simple & Stupid ), so everyone can understand.

            I maintain a humble self, no boasts, no pride. Just being respectful, diplomatic and firm when being challenged.

            Frequency
            For a start, everyday, do 2 or 3 responses only. Then I stop a couple of days to see if anyone misses me. Then I write again for a couple of days and stop again. Until the point where some people expect my responses on certain issues. They send private messages to me to chime in. At this point, they figured me out - my interest, my passion and my knowledge.

            The point is, let people figure you out. Don't declare your expertise until they ask you.

            Good content
            When conversations are slow, my chance to start new topics. Very good chance. Always about
            - how to get more benefits from something or
            - how to avoid or get rid of something or
            - how to resolve issues or problems or
            - how to notice things and prevent them from becoming issues or
            - how to change current conditions from good to better.

            One example is how to get rid of cockroaches the natural way, without using insecticides. lol. I get multiple backlinks from this alone. Even political, religious and cooking blogs linked this item. lol.

            Then there is another type of chance. An unanswered or ignored questions. They get very upset when no one answers. Dig some info and answer them. They will be your loyal audience later on.

            Remember to put your signature....

            Result

            You have your own following. When someone challenges you, someone else will back you up instantly. When you ask for something, they'll be the first to come forth. When you promote something, they'll forward it to their friends and families.

            Almost everyone checks your signature out. The ones that hate your guts, the ones that like you, the curious ones and the silent majority.

            Most people stay behind the scenes. They read but they never respond. They just like to read. Once a while, they'll pop you some questions. They are sizing you up. Answer them well, no matter how stupid the questions are. They'll be discussing with their friends regarding your answers. They'll remember your attitude longer than your aptitude.

            This is when I got the first book offer. I declined because I was so busy at that time. Then another offer came which I accepted and after that another. And more...

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            Hopefully this is helpful for some warriors.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I just shut down comments on my blogs. I have way too many blogs to go around deleting all that crap. In fact, when the comments are open, ALL of the comments are spam. These aren't ProBlogger blogs where you want or need comments, so it really serves no purpose to allow commenting at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alminc
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I just shut down comments on my blogs. I have way too many blogs to go around deleting all that crap. In fact, when the comments are open, ALL of the comments are spam. These aren't ProBlogger blogs where you want or need comments, so it really serves no purpose to allow commenting at all.
      Amen. I do the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author Autobot
      On one of my blogs it clearly states that you have to pay around 100 dollars if you comment.

      Allthough I have to check it every few hours to delete the thousands of untracable comments :p
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  • Profile picture of the author markament
    I personally have had some success with commenting on relevant blog pages that are "do follow." I only make comments that contribute to the conversation and have made some positive connections in so doing.

    Now days I use some other strategies like Blog Blueprint to build backlinks without the hassle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
      Spam is spam. A blog is just one possible medium for spammers, but commenting purely for a backlink - there is nothing ethically wrong with that in the slightest. As a blogger, I'm doing you a simple trade for your backlink.

      You provide me extra free content which helps my efforts in ranking the search engines, you make my blog look alive and interesting and help me build some followers and create a community. The more comments I have, the more people will stop and take notice of what I am trying to say (or sell).

      The cost for your backlink is to simply say something that's relevant to the content. My cost is a bit of time and effort wading through and filtering out the crap.

      Spamming a blog and commenting for backlinks are entirely unrelated.
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      • Profile picture of the author matt5409
        Originally Posted by Lee Wilson View Post

        Spam is spam. A blog is just one possible medium for spammers, but commenting purely for a backlink - there is nothing ethically wrong with that in the slightest. As a blogger, I'm doing you a simple trade for your backlink.

        You provide me extra free content which helps my efforts in ranking the search engines, you make my blog look alive and interesting and help me build some followers and create a community. The more comments I have, the more people will stop and take notice of what I am trying to say (or sell).

        The cost for your backlink is to simply say something that's relevant to the content. My cost is a bit of time and effort wading through and filtering out the crap.

        Spamming a blog and commenting for backlinks are entirely unrelated.
        completely agree which is the point i've been trying to ram home.
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  • Profile picture of the author danoctav
    Blog commenting is just one of the link building methods. There are a lot of crap comments because are auto submitted by many softwares that appear over time.
    But this not mean that it not work on autoapproval blogs.
    Also many peoples allow comments because Google love interaction between authors and users. Many pages get high PR in this way!
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  • Profile picture of the author fred67
    YES!!!! Stop the spammers.
    I'm now closing all my 'comment' options on my sites/blogs and replacing with a 'contact' form for people to leave comments.

    So far it seems to be working
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  • Profile picture of the author virlus10
    Blog commenting goes fine with me. I think its one of the crucial tactics in SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author la dominatrix
    I have got several sites to PLR4 by making relevant comments and that is the point. Also replying helphully to other people's comments helps as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    also it's hugely ironic that spam - what google is fighting against the most - for the main part exists because of their primary algorhythm to rank sites
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    • Profile picture of the author Carlsbadd
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      also it's hugely ironic that spam - what google is fighting against the most - for the main part exists because of their primary algorhythm to rank sites

      Good point, Don't hate the playa, hate the game
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  • Profile picture of the author thebarksmeow
    Wait a minute. Not a long term strategy huh? Why do I have meaningful comments on blogs from 2009 that are still alive? They've benefited my site's position for almost 2 years now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
      Originally Posted by thebarksmeow View Post

      Wait a minute. Not a long term strategy huh? Why do I have meaningful comments on blogs from 2009 that are still alive? They've benefited my site's position for almost 2 years now.
      I agree - I have left useful constructive blog comments on many blogs not related to my niches but contributed to their blog - that have been approved and in fact I see regular traffic from these sites because of my blog commenting.

      I also own and maintain 5-6 blogs (on different niches) and were once bombarded by annoying , generic "great blog - you write very well" comments on them daily until I added a captcha/anti spam wp blog plug ins - now I only get useful on topic comments.

      I think the real issue is: Are you some one who makes the Interwebs a better place or are you just someone who litters the place with spam?
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      • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
        Originally Posted by Aussie_Al View Post

        I agree - I have left useful constructive blog comments on many blogs not related to my niches but contributed to their blog - that have been approved and in fact I see regular traffic from these sites because of my blog commenting.

        I also own and maintain 5-6 blogs (on different niches) and were once bombarded by annoying , generic "great blog - you write very well" comments on them daily until I added a captcha/anti spam wp blog plug ins - now I only get useful on topic comments.

        I think the real issue is: Are you some one who makes the Interwebs a better place or are you just someone who litters the place with spam?
        I actually like it when I come across a moderated dofollow blog that has a captcha. Usually ensures that I can leave a good comment on a post that (most of the time) won't get killed by automated tools.

        Most people hate manually commenting on blogs and worry that their approval rates will be low. From my own experience, that is not the case.

        Quick tip: Instead of going straight for the posts with PR, check the blog homepage first. Notice any posts from the last few weeks or so? Notice any other comments that have been recently approved? That's usually a good indication that YOUR comment(s) will be approved as long as you're actually contributing to the post.

        When I go on a commenting run I'd say well over half of my comments are approved because I'm commenting on blogs that meet this criteria. (Recent posts or approved comments.) And I'm making sure that I'm leaving good, QUALITY comments.

        Think to yourself before pressing that "submit" button: "Would I approve this comment on my own blog?"
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  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
    Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

    I see a lot of advice on this here forum about using blog commeting as part of an SEO strategy.

    I don't believe it works - most blogs are nofollow - and unfortunately nearly every comment I receive on my blogs is spam because some idiot wants a quick backlink. Today, I got this ridiculous comment:

    "Hey, I'm having bad luck attempting to rank high for the words "kokomo dentist"... Pls approve my comment!!"

    At least the guy's honest right? It's such a shame that the communal aspect of the blog platform has been abused to such extents that I wake up every morning with comment spam.

    I know people are going to jump and say "offer value in your comments" which is noble, but nobody ever does. Just stop doing it, and stop advising others do it - it's NOT an "SEO strategy" and you should feel dirty for doing it!
    SEO is a big term...

    When you say SEO, it means link relevance.

    If you are commenting on a irrelevant blog, it doesn't help. But if you are commmenting on a relevant blog, your comment does offer value to the readers. Think about it!
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    • Profile picture of the author matt5409
      Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

      SEO is a big term...

      When you say SEO, it means link relevance.

      If you are commenting on a irrelevant blog, it doesn't help. But if you are commmenting on a relevant blog, your comment does offer value to the readers. Think about it!
      tbh relevance is not as important as you might think.
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    • Profile picture of the author Talen
      Originally Posted by schttrj View Post

      SEO is a big term...

      When you say SEO, it means link relevance.

      If you are commenting on a irrelevant blog, it doesn't help. But if you are commmenting on a relevant blog, your comment does offer value to the readers. Think about it!
      SEO means search engine optimization and even irrelevant links can help your site...
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  • Profile picture of the author boghdady
    Not all blogs are no-follow, I still have my own list of 60 do-follow high quality blogs that I always post at. These blogs have definitely helped me achieve a good ranking for many keywords.
    Although I'm with ya, spammers out there are ruining it. I sometimes wonder what it would have looked like if Google had never invented the nofollow tag!
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  • Profile picture of the author Wiggy0618
    I think blog commenting can certainly be useful, but it just doesn't have the ROI for me. Sure, it's just opportunity cost, but if I can do something else with that time, then that's what I consider.

    However, if I'm trying to help establish my name/credibility/presence in a different niche, or a different portion of a niche that I'm already in, I think stuff like leaving valuable blog comments and forum posts are invaluable.

    Not something I'd (necessarily) do for just SEO purposes, though. But that's just me. *shrug* To each their own.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      I see a lot of advice on this here forum about using blog commenting as part of an SEO strategy.

      [snip]

      I know people are going to jump and say "offer value in your comments" which is noble, but nobody ever does. Just stop doing it, and stop advising others do it - it's NOT an "SEO strategy" and you should feel dirty for doing it!
      Matt, you're applying the same attitude to 'blog commenting' that many people apply to article marketing.

      You're defining "blog commenting" as spamming blogs for backlinks, the same way people define "article marketing" as taking PLR or even stolen content, spinning it 1,000 times, and then blasting it out for backlinks.

      Both groups are defining a legitimate tool by the worst abusers of that tool.

      Personally, I don't use blog commenting as an SEO strategy. I use it as a targeted traffic strategy. I don't even bother checking PR or no-follow status.

      If the blog is active with real users, and the comments make a relevant conversation, I'll contribute if I have something worthwhile to offer. Like another poster here, I'm still seeing benefits from comments made a couple of years ago.

      Rail against the crap merchants all you want, but please don't paint legitimate users of legitimate tools with the same brush...
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      • Profile picture of the author matt5409
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Matt, you're applying the same attitude to 'blog commenting' that many people apply to article marketing.

        You're defining "blog commenting" as spamming blogs for backlinks, the same way people define "article marketing" as taking PLR or even stolen content, spinning it 1,000 times, and then blasting it out for backlinks.

        Both groups are defining a legitimate tool by the worst abusers of that tool.

        Personally, I don't use blog commenting as an SEO strategy. I use it as a targeted traffic strategy. I don't even bother checking PR or no-follow status.

        If the blog is active with real users, and the comments make a relevant conversation, I'll contribute if I have something worthwhile to offer. Like another poster here, I'm still seeing benefits from comments made a couple of years ago.

        Rail against the crap merchants all you want, but please don't paint legitimate users of legitimate tools with the same brush...
        i sort of agree with those that take a dim view on article marketing because it's so easy to go out there and hit a load of instant approval directories with 200 word spun articles that read like a drunk 6 year old wrote them.

        thankfully this forum is full of useful information on how to make the best of article marketing, something that i admittedly was not taking full advantage of before i started reading this forum a few months back.

        but there is not a lot of info on blog commenting except "do it". if people explained the reasons and best practices maybe we could help lower the ridiculous rate of this spam.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Matt, you're applying the same attitude to 'blog commenting' that many people apply to article marketing.

        You're defining "blog commenting" as spamming blogs for backlinks, the same way people define "article marketing" as taking PLR or even stolen content, spinning it 1,000 times, and then blasting it out for backlinks.

        Both groups are defining a legitimate tool by the worst abusers of that tool.

        Personally, I don't use blog commenting as an SEO strategy. I use it as a targeted traffic strategy. I don't even bother checking PR or no-follow status.

        If the blog is active with real users, and the comments make a relevant conversation, I'll contribute if I have something worthwhile to offer. Like another poster here, I'm still seeing benefits from comments made a couple of years ago.

        Rail against the crap merchants all you want, but please don't paint legitimate users of legitimate tools with the same brush...
        +1, well said! Anything can be identified as a positive thing or not. This is the reality of the world. If we don't misuse it, I don't see a big problem. But I hate heavy spammers who post thousand links per comment.
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      • Profile picture of the author Guru SEO
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Matt, you're applying the same attitude to 'blog commenting' that many people apply to article marketing.

        You're defining "blog commenting" as spamming blogs for backlinks, the same way people define "article marketing" as taking PLR or even stolen content, spinning it 1,000 times, and then blasting it out for backlinks.

        Both groups are defining a legitimate tool by the worst abusers of that tool.

        Personally, I don't use blog commenting as an SEO strategy. I use it as a targeted traffic strategy. I don't even bother checking PR or no-follow status.

        If the blog is active with real users, and the comments make a relevant conversation, I'll contribute if I have something worthwhile to offer. Like another poster here, I'm still seeing benefits from comments made a couple of years ago.

        Rail against the crap merchants all you want, but please don't paint legitimate users of legitimate tools with the same brush...

        I agree, especially blogs related to your niche, giving good feedback will establish you as having some knowledge about the subject a maybe people will click on your link to see what you have to offer on your site.

        If all this also gives me a backlink to my site it's just some extra gravy.


        I personally keep comments ON with many of my sites and 95% of the spam is filtered and automatically deleted once a month.


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        Take care of the grass and the weeds are going to die out.
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    • Profile picture of the author azmanar
      Originally Posted by cosmokid View Post

      I tend to leave blog comments for actual eyeballs, not for the search engine spiders. I don't care if the blog is do follow or no follow. If I can leave a relevant comment related to a hot discussion happening somewhere in a blog's comments, and I just happen to have a website where I answer that burning question everybody has within that thread, or I'm selling a product that solves the problem people are venting about in the comments, then leaving a helpful comment is just like leaving breadcrumbs. People hungry for the information that I'm selling find my comment, hit my site, and buy my product and/or sign up for my list.

      If Google recognizes the backlink, fine, but that doesn't matter so much. It's about getting real people to visit my site when they are searching for information that is completely aligned with what I write about or sell. I find it's very targeted traffic if you comment on truly relevant blogs with a high level of commenters. It's a way of getting in front of an audience that wants or needs what I have to sell and gently inserting myself into the equation, saying, "If you want to know more, you can visit my site -- hint hint."
      You have a good point here. Real Comments bring Real Interest, which will bring high quality traffic that converts. I do the same but not often.

      I tend to agree with Matt, mostly about spammy comments.

      2 of my blogs have PR4. Seems to attract streams of spammy comments. The latest spams are from London Escort Services. lol

      So far, AKISMET worked pretty well in identifying spammy comments 99% of the time. Doesn't stop the comments from coming, though. So I closed all comments for new articles.

      As replacement, I use FB comment boxes throughout the blogs now.

      So, if BLOG SPAMMERS placed 1,000s of "Get our lovely girls to accompany you in London. Call us at +44.xxxxxxxxx" at 1,000s of FB comment boxes, they'll have thousands of the same sweet messages on their FB. They'll get banned by FB very quickly. :p:p:p

      To replace the said "blog-commenting SEO Strategy" and reach more people at one go, I suggest join moderated Yahoo Groups. It'll bring traffic based on the quality of the article. A pretty neat channel for Article Writers.

      Build a reputation by contributing at least 20 responses to hot topics. Then create your own topics. Then later on, add a simple signature in newer messages. Use a good ethical NickName with a concept, not spammy but strange enough to gain some attention.

      Be sure to create a new email address just for this purpose. The inbox will be flooded with thousands of messages and responses. Yahoo Mail has a good email filtering system to help manage emails.

      Tracked some of my articles in Yahoo Groups republished in a variety other blogs with links pointing to my blogs. Didn't ask them to do it. Some reprinted in popular newspapers. A few articles were picked-up by MPs and used in heated debates in Parliament. I was shocked actually.

      The style of writing I used is very situational. But more often it is kindly, diplomatic and firm with a tiny tinge of authority.

      Note for DIANE S in terms of biz opportunities:
      After joining Yahoo Groups for a few months, I got book contracts. Now I'm writing my 2nd book for the same publisher. I also received other offers such as Business Presentation Authoring, Blog Content Authoring and invited as a trainer in various workshops.

      Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

    I see a lot of advice on this here forum about using blog commeting as part of an SEO strategy.

    I don't believe it works - most blogs are nofollow - and unfortunately nearly every comment I receive on my blogs is spam because some idiot wants a quick backlink. Today, I got this ridiculous comment:
    It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. Your belief isn't necessary for a technique to succeed. Do you KNOW it doesn't work? The answer to that is no, you don't, because the reality is it DOES work. And that's why I won't be stopping, just like I'm not giving up my car because some morons drive drunk.

    As for the ethics of doing it, that's a different issue. Blog spammers suck. But I don't blog spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkWW
      I ranked my website and it's currently on Page 1, most of what I did was blog commenting. However, I do not put my keyword in the content of the comment because I know the webmaster won't like it, and I read the post carefully and make an honest and beneficial contribution.
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    • Profile picture of the author rkat55
      You've started a heck of a good debate here. I personally
      think spammers have ruined everything on the Internet and
      blog spammers included.

      HOWEVER, the whole world if full of spam wherever you
      go. Billboards, radio, tv, phones..you can't take a leak
      in a restaurant bathroom without getting spammed.

      So, what the hell.
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    • Profile picture of the author MetroHome
      Quite simply blog commenting is gamming the system, if your intent is not to post a good informative blog or forum post, you are gamming, generally referred to as cheating.

      This was not the intent of googles choice to account for blog commenting. What good is it to the consumer to find some information based on the best software spam comments.

      How long and how much weight should be put on commenting really, it is self promotion. In the gamming world as a consumer, I do not see the best article. I see the best gammer.
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      • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
        Originally Posted by MetroHome View Post

        Quite simply blog commenting is gamming the system, if your intent is not to post a good informative blog or forum post, you are gamming, generally referred to as cheating.

        This was not the intent of googles choice to account for blog commenting. What good is it to the consumer to find some information based on the best software spam comments.

        How long and how much weight should be put on commenting really, it is self promotion. In the gamming world as a consumer, I do not see the best article. I see the best gammer.
        The easiest solution is for the blog platforms to require all comments be manually approved, with no option to turn on automatic approval. Won't happen though.

        I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to such a change, either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Barton
    Sure, blog spam is terrible, but it is no different than any other kind of spam.

    Do place blog comments solely for backlinks? Yes
    Do I read the post first? Yes
    Are the comments useful? Yes
    Would I read the blog or leave the comment if I didn't get a backlink? No

    Does that make it spam since I am only doing it for the backlink, even though the comment is useful and is meant to add value to the conversation?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

    I know people are going to jump and say "offer value in your comments" which is noble, but nobody ever does. Just stop doing it, and stop advising others do it - it's NOT an "SEO strategy" and you should feel dirty for doing it!
    the thing about "nobody" is you have to do a head count of the entire world or its lying and "ever" means you have to have been doing it for awhile.

    So don't be fibbing now.

    and yes some of us find bloggers that interest us and we develop relationships with through commenting
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    Blog commenting is one of the easiest types of backlinks to get. Without it, it would be a lot more harder for people unless they have money to invest.
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  • Profile picture of the author danoctav
    So,everything in IM seems not ethic, do not say illegal...all SEO tehniques seems to be SPAM (blog commenting,article submission,profiles,bookmarks,uploadind videos with links) because people not found value,etc.But we must do this because google algoritm force us to do this(if we want our site to be found by someone).We all sell Clickbank products and we know that 80% are crap, we are CPA gurus, but we know that people must complete 12 offers to receive a freebie, or if reader not read carefully TOS, he is charged 2-3 months).We are all saints but acting like devils!
    This is INTERNET MARKETING my friends,if someone really want more money must fight with each weapon,consider can be useful !
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  • Profile picture of the author rcritchett
    Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

    I see a lot of advice on this here forum about using blog commeting as part of an SEO strategy.

    I don't believe it works - most blogs are nofollow - and unfortunately nearly every comment I receive on my blogs is spam because some idiot wants a quick backlink. Today, I got this ridiculous comment:

    "Hey, I'm having bad luck attempting to rank high for the words "kokomo dentist"... Pls approve my comment!!"

    At least the guy's honest right? It's such a shame that the communal aspect of the blog platform has been abused to such extents that I wake up every morning with comment spam.

    I know people are going to jump and say "offer value in your comments" which is noble, but nobody ever does. Just stop doing it, and stop advising others do it - it's NOT an "SEO strategy" and you should feel dirty for doing it!
    I know right? I'm getting more spam comments then ever right now! I can't believe that person wrote that as a comment dude.. wow.

    Being a former SEO, I agree with you. There is a difference between:
    1. Commenting with generic stupid comments for backlinks... and
    2. Actually genuinely commenting on people's stuff.

    Some newer WP templates comment systems automatically list the commenters last blog post, a link to it, with the correct anchor text (title of blog post) which is extremely awesome and definitely beneficial.

    But the overall message here, I'm totally aligned with. You're right dude.
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  • Profile picture of the author webjedi
    I think that what is being overlooked in this fine discussion is the fact that most of the blogs that are in existence are in fact so terribly written and full of regurgitated meaninglessness um.. ness that they themselves are spam to the Internet as a whole.

    In this sense the better title for this post is 'Blogging just to blog - STOP IT!'

    Reckless SEO enthusiasts are just spamming the spammers. Good quality and heartfelt written words don't require comments to be validated

    It's a great argument, where I stand is that it will be devalued to zero value soon enough but another tactic will take it's place. It's fine to backlink with useful comments.

    Like this one?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay D
    LOL have to give points to the guy that was honest. For me I have never done blog commenting. I find it too much of an effort. I am lazy.
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  • Profile picture of the author OpticalOut
    There are mass automated commenting software out here such as Scrapbox, which accounts for a lot of it.

    I personally hate seeing spam in my blogs, but I really don't care if someone is going to write an actual comment while using 2-3 words for anchor text as their name. Just as long as it isn't "male erection enhancer" or something inappropriate
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    • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
      Originally Posted by OpticalOut View Post

      There are mass automated commenting software out here such as Scrapbox, which accounts for a lot of it.

      I personally hate seeing spam in my blogs, but I really don't care if someone is going to write an actual comment while using 2-3 words for anchor text as their name. Just as long as it isn't "male erection enhancer" or something inappropriate
      That's how I feel too. If someone makes a good relevant comment, I'll approve it as long as the anchor text isn't something ridiculous. I had someone use "Buy Sperm Pills" as their anchor text. I deleted it!

      I get tons of scrapebox spam comments. It's a real pain to deal with them. I had 330 comments this week and I only approved 2 of them. And I have dofollow backlinks enabled on my blog. I used a plugin to remove the nofollow attribute.

      It just seems that no one wants to take the time to put out a legitimate comment.
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  • Profile picture of the author healthiersexier
    jUst make sure your blog commenting make sense.

    Why should you stop?
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshuaZamora
    I like it for generating traffic...
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    • Profile picture of the author CMCarlin
      Kind of obnoxious to tell someone to stop using a tactic that clearly works (and has been working for a few years) to get sites ranked.

      I skimmed this thread (sorry TPW), so I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but there are ways to stop the spammers. Using a captcha is one way. Not 100%, but it eliminates a lot of them. I turn off commenting altogether on new blogs. Besides, with comments turned on, your bandwidth can get eaten up by all the scrapers out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author fortony
    it is like email. It is a great thing but spamming swine have to mess it up.

    Like the idiots who keep spam email going by buying their products, spam blog posts get approved too.

    So the practice goes on and on since it only takes a minority. Just have to live with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micallef
    Link building is an art, and for myself, there are no ethics or morals involved. This is because there are no negative consequences for me when I build links. In fact, my ability to build links is mainly responsible for the fact that I do not have to wake up at 7:00 am every morning and show submission to a boss.

    If you know what you're doing, you can get links from mit.edu, the bbc and even nasa.gov.

    When I find a link source, I just do whatever minimum I have to do to get the link I need.

    For example, on Yale.edu, moderation was clearly on so I had to write a considered comment and use a normal sounding name.

    However, on Drupal sites which are often auto-approve, all I need to do is plug in some comments related to my own niche (so Google will respect my links more) and blast away with an automated tool I built myself, while I go and get a cup of coffee, come up with new campaigns or do some good old content writing.

    I've simply got no problem with being a BH SEO practitioner. Google created the system, they made the rules and I'm just taking the best chance I have at the good life while I'm young.

    There is simply no chance that I will ever stop spamming blogs, wikis, educational institutions or any other form of editable url.

    On the other hand, my estimation of Google's linkspam detection capability has led me to take on the persona of a "responsible spammer".

    You won't find me leaving more than 2 links in a comment, for example. All links must also be surrounded by some coherent text to be taken seriously by the Google bot.

    As for those Viagra, ugg boots and christian louboutin spammers, I'm agreeing with the OP. These guys should stop it now - they are ruining it for themselves, and responsible spammers like me by not just annoying webmasters, but destroying link sources with 1000s of links at a time delivered by xrumer.
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  • Profile picture of the author khenmhike
    Every link builders have their own strategies. If they want to do that particular thing to gain backlinks, then you can't stop them. The bottom point is, if you don't want their comments, just discard them and don't put your own opinion as if it is the general truth.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stockbob55
    I personally welcome comments on my blog that add value to the particular post, subject or discussion.

    User comments no matter how good are fresh content and evidence of user interaction which I suspect add to authority in some small way.

    I just check the comments that make it through my spam filter every couple of days. I allow the one that are good and relevant, I edit the rest to make them so.

    When I make comments on other sites I always try to add value but I have to admit that my primary objective is a backlink.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I say that for some time already.

    But people still think that spamming Wordpress (which is like 99,9% nofollow!) using scrapebox or whatever is a good strategy. I think its not worth ANYTHING in terms of SEO. The fact that Google might simply "exclude" comment-links in evaluating not even counted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    Wordpress is nofollow on comments template, doesnt mean that, wordpress is the only blog platform. There are tones of scripts, which are used for CMS and Blogging based sites and they are dofollow. All you need is right "Query" to find 'em.

    Enough said!
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain Dynamo
    Yeah, I'm doing blog posting currently using scapebox. That is... I only use scapebox to scrape competition's links to find do-follow, instantly-approved, high-pr blogposts.

    Then I go ahead and post manually :p
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOChief
    Blog commenting without thinking is indeed a bad strategy to use.

    However, you mentioned that if people take the time to provide an honest comment then that might be different though no one does. Okay, so I might be the only one on the Web that does use blog commenting as part of my SEO strategy while providing relevant feedback to the blog in question. That's the whole trick to this approach - you need to provide real content.

    As for "follow" or "no-follow" the search engines are looking for natural growth and as such their is value from a blog even if it is set to "no-follow."
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

    I see a lot of advice on this here forum about using blog commeting as part of an SEO strategy.

    I don't believe it works - most blogs are nofollow - and unfortunately nearly every comment I receive on my blogs is spam because some idiot wants a quick backlink. Today, I got this ridiculous comment:

    "Hey, I'm having bad luck attempting to rank high for the words "kokomo dentist"... Pls approve my comment!!"

    At least the guy's honest right? It's such a shame that the communal aspect of the blog platform has been abused to such extents that I wake up every morning with comment spam.

    I know people are going to jump and say "offer value in your comments" which is noble, but nobody ever does. Just stop doing it, and stop advising others do it - it's NOT an "SEO strategy" and you should feel dirty for doing it!
    Can we get your blogs url? :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Lets be real here.

    Blog commenting WORKS. It is a fact, and there is much proof out there, you can not disagree.

    Is it scummy? Hmm... as scummy as exact match domain, profile links, press releases, and article spinning. It is a technique used.

    Is it a long term strategy? Well, it is part of a long term strategy, yes. You should have a variety of back links, ranging anywhere from blog comments, to bookmarks, to whatever! My least favorite form of backlinking is profiles... I still have some, about 10,000 or so.

    If you want to succeed you're going to have to make a push for it. Nothing is just given to you. I'll take 1,000 blog comments an hour any day of the week, all week. lol.

    Profile links, do you think I care about a forum for cat diabetes? Nope, just want another back link. Do I care about 99% of the blogs I commented on, not really. Do I care that my opponents in a heavily competitive niche is outranking me and has twice as many back links than I do? Absolutely.

    It is part of a strategy that works. You won't convince me otherwise.
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    • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
      I found 5 PR 4+ blogs today, I can't wait to see the positive effect that is going to have for my sites. Without blogs commenting, I would be struggling.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    Blog commenting for SEO - STOP IT!
    I just want to say NO! lol ...

    "All your blog spam are belong to us!"

    You want the comments and activity on your pulitzer prize winning wordpress creation ... comment spam comes with the territory mate. Turn off comments then. Mod the templates to remove direct access to the comment posting code ...

    I dont blog comment spam -

    1 . I think it sux for seo in general

    2. theres 100's of easier ways to get backlinks

    3. im not down with crapping up the blog owners database and the bandwidth it uses up.

    .... but why a wordpress users feels inclined to use comments baffles me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Watch Store
    i also agree blog commenting does work, obviously the higher the pr rank the better
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  • Profile picture of the author cheekugames
    @matt5409 , man you are unnecessarily mad at blog comments as they did not work for you , i suggest you go and get a beer and chill a bit ....
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  • Profile picture of the author Jermaine Tabor
    Cleaning up after spam I would imagine is a big headache.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aki Fagno
    It actually woks well if only you are doing it right! Remember that you will reap what you sow. Do it right so it can give you right results too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Broody
    It depends

    If you will leave right comment in right place you can even get extra traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkSherris
    blog comments work but only if they come from websites that aren't no follow, have high pr and the rest of the page isn't spammed with comments. I don't really use them now but I can say that I have had success with them. Simple solution though if your using a wordpress blog just use that askimet or whateva its called, it filters them all out automatically
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  • Profile picture of the author jaredrasc
    yes it is true that blog commenting is very effective in seo if you done it in right way and do intelligent posts.If your comment are not so realistics then no body will approve your comments it is your caliber and talent that how and what you comment that your comment get approved.
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    • Profile picture of the author saidecors
      it is true this blog commenting is very usefull,

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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

    I see a lot of advice on this here forum about using blog commeting as part of an SEO strategy.

    I don't believe it works - most blogs are nofollow - and unfortunately nearly every comment I receive on my blogs is spam because some idiot wants a quick backlink. Today, I got this ridiculous comment:

    "Hey, I'm having bad luck attempting to rank high for the words "kokomo dentist"... Pls approve my comment!!"

    At least the guy's honest right? It's such a shame that the communal aspect of the blog platform has been abused to such extents that I wake up every morning with comment spam.

    I know people are going to jump and say "offer value in your comments" which is noble, but nobody ever does. Just stop doing it, and stop advising others do it - it's NOT an "SEO strategy" and you should feel dirty for doing it!
    Well, it is a part of a SEO plan, according to many SEO experts. Oh, and blog commenting works (admittedly, it's not as effective as it was a while back).
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  • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
    Blog commenting is spam. It is disgusting and generally used by people whose idea of business ethics is "whatever I can do to get ahead".

    I understand I insulted some people on this forum. 90% of those I insulted are spamming blog comments, cutting corners and not really contributing anything valuable to this forum anyways.

    I just disable comments on my pages. I am tired of waking up to 100 "get rick quick" spammers sending garbage on the website I work hard on.

    Adding 'value' is nearly never done. Even one of the posters here said "I hate to read the blogs, I just put ad value and hope to get it approved". How do you ad value to a post you haven't read?

    But, it works. Just like lieing. And some people are all about what they can do for themselves. As long as it works people will do it. I can't wait till the google update that makes blog comments useless. In one sweep the most spammy, spun content garbage black hatters will have to learn legitimate ways to earn backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dmreed4311
    I have gotten pr6 and 5 blog comments approved that were do follow, it takes time and effort but it is worth it. I spend an hour a day blog and forum commenting and get many nice pr do follow backlinks. i have also been banned from many forums but there are thousands out there. Not gonna lie iam in it for the backlink but i do read the blogs and make real comments.
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    Blog spammers suck - agreed.

    But yeah - blog comments are an essential part of any balanced SEO strategy and when used properly don't effect anyone in a negative way.
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  • Profile picture of the author neeralt
    Matt,

    It actually works. But there are of course spammers out there. And they spam like hell. I have a do follow blog which get around 1,200 spams a day! Can you imagine that? But the blog commenting thingy is working for me. Just have to do it right.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by neeralt View Post

      Matt,

      It actually works. But there are of course spammers out there. And they spam like hell. I have a do follow blog which get around 1,200 spams a day! Can you imagine that? But the blog commenting thingy is working for me. Just have to do it right.
      Dang. 1200. Are you using one of the popular dofollow plugins? The footprints for those are hit heavily each day.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Do the smart thing, delete comment code from your theme, then embed a Facebook comment Iframe code.

    If they leave a comment it will be on FB not your site, which will do them no good for the PR they are after.

    Fix the problem before it ever happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThunderC
    blog comments do work, i always use them on my buffer sites, and always managed to rank for my micro niche keywords and local searches
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I can see why many web admins would come to that conclusion, and I know many just auto remove comments if there is a link regardless of how relevant the comment, that said, people do still get results with it
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  • Profile picture of the author jackwebson
    I understand your situation as you've been a victim of spam comments that's why you are against the blog commenting method now. But actually its a very helpful factor for every website since you will have new content on your page and some interactions too "IF" it is done in a sincere manner by posting relevant and honest post.
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  • Profile picture of the author KylieSweet
    Matt5409 and the other members in this thread has its own stand regarding blog commenting, and I don't think that there is a wrong analysis about the topic. We have different views on it, and I think that were just only trying to make it better as a reputable webmaster and for the foundation of the site. Google is wiser than you think. Therefore, we are trying our best in an ethical way not just for the search engine, but also for the people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      LOl You could tell this was going to be a hot topic.

      Anyway as someone who is well known for not liking mass link spam I must be honest.

      Blog comments still work and work well if done properly. Frankly blog commenting can even be done totally white hat. I have blogs that I TRULY participate at and the owners review and approve my links because I write quality stuff.

      Plus looking at backlinks all the time I can tell you that they can and do increase PR and if you know how to use that then thats golden.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Agree. If you actively participate and leave good comments, I see no harm. My approval rates are great. But that's because I take the time to leave a REAL comment that is relevant to the post.

    Most people instantly associate blog commenting with spam. (Scrapebox.) Does commenting using Scrapebox still have its place? Yeah, I think so. But most of the blogs that Scrapebox is able to comment to (and get that comment automatically approved) have been long abandoned by their owners. Or their owners just don't care. I just wouldn't use these comments for my main site. But they do help index and, in some cases, strengthen lower tier backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author FraserC
    As long as you provide more value for the website with your ideas, comments and support than you take away with having a link back to your website, it's all good. The problem is that spammers use other people's websites to link back to their own. They take without giving. As a webmaster who has to clean it up all day, it's a bummer. But also, it makes the people who make genuine contributions all the more valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    just wanted to point out that is completely untrue that "nofollow" links are useless ...as some of the posters here have said.

    In fact, nofollows (whether they are a blog comment or from a Wikipedia article) are quite valuable for serps ranking. They may not pass PR though, but these are two different things.

    OK carry on the ethics debate.
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  • Profile picture of the author bzvog
    I guess there is no WRIGHT or WRONG on this.. everything works if used properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author gavinC
    sorry matt, don't agree with you completely. Although it is true that commenting on blogs for backlinks is abused, it can still be both effective for SEO purposes and provide a positive contribution to the blogs discussion. After all, this is the purpose of a blog. Comments should definitely contribute to the discussion, but those that do are definitely not worthless.

    Private blog networks can be very effective for SEO purposes. You can always use an antispam plugin for your blog or turn off comments all together.
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  • Profile picture of the author BezVrska
    Blog commenting works. Spamming doesn't work.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    While I agree that generally blog comments aren't worth it, I can't stand the way that you created this thread and some of your responses.

    "I don't believe it works"

    Actually, nobody cares what you think. We care about results. We care about ranking on the search engines. Data and results are what speaks volumes in SEO. Not opinions.

    why not spend that time adding some content to your site and then writing an article to promote it? oh yea - that's too much work. blog commenting is a scummy way of getting a backlink and it is a pain in the ass for anybody that runs a genuine blog.

    LOL - Let's resort to name calling and finger pointing? Let's be serious here. That article you just wrote? Likely ended up on a PR0 internal page of some low quality article directory that NO humans ever read. Where is the value in that? In less time you can provide valuable feedback on an ACTIVE blog and potentially receive a high PageRank link. Who's actually providing more value?

    I'm not in here to argue with you. But these type of illogical and factless posts have got to stop.

    Don't throw out linkbuilding techniques because some scum spammers have spammed your blog. You likely won't make it far in SEO or ranking in the search engines with this mindset.
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  • Profile picture of the author awj888
    blog commenting can still be effective it used along side other types of links. blogs are a great source for link to your site, most effective being articles with intext anchor links. Also, if you can get on a blogroll from a highPR blog then this can be brilliant too!
    heres an old tool, which finds dofollow blogs with open comments. most of them are old. but could still add some boot! htp thinkingcreativity. .com / scripts / find-blogs.php
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    I agree but maybe some people take it a bit overboard. Try to comment on relevant blogs and don't take it overboard.

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  • Profile picture of the author epathj
    I agree,at least you should post some useful information if you want to leave an anchor
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  • Profile picture of the author William Prawira
    I do backlinks from posting blog comment as well, But I always do it whitehat.

    I don't just write comments like :
    -That's a good article you have
    -Please approve my comment, I need to build up my rank

    I actually read the whole post, and comment on something that will bring value to the whole article post.

    That way, The owner of the blog won't be bothered by my post, he gets a value added comment, I get my link, so it's a win-win situation.

    I've never been bothered by spammy comments as most of them are being filtered by my wordpress plugins. 6000+ spam comments in a month? hell, no way I'd decline them manually.
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  • Profile picture of the author annarayan
    i still don't think the concept is wrong -just the people who don't understand how to do it properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinghard
    there are services here that provide dofollow high pr blog comments. its hard to find those blogs yourself though
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  • Profile picture of the author contentclub
    Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

    I see a lot of advice on this here forum about using blog commeting as part of an SEO strategy.

    I don't believe it works - most blogs are nofollow - and unfortunately nearly every comment I receive on my blogs is spam because some idiot wants a quick backlink. Today, I got this ridiculous comment:

    "Hey, I'm having bad luck attempting to rank high for the words "kokomo dentist"... Pls approve my comment!!"

    At least the guy's honest right? It's such a shame that the communal aspect of the blog platform has been abused to such extents that I wake up every morning with comment spam.

    I know people are going to jump and say "offer value in your comments" which is noble, but nobody ever does. Just stop doing it, and stop advising others do it - it's NOT an "SEO strategy" and you should feel dirty for doing it!
    You are right with your opinion. I agree. But how many people think of that! Spammy comments never get approved by any administrator. Some times comments with little bit of content help to start a new discussion which also works and make new visitor interested to leave a comment that may be valuable. Not sure though! :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author jroth728
    I honestly think that blog commenting can be very effective if done properly.

    First things first, if you want to use blog commenting as a link building/seo strategy you should try to search for sites that are within your industry or niche. If you have a site about dog training don't try to gain backlinks via blog comments on a site that is about making money online.

    To find sites that allow comments in your niche you can use the following when searching on Google:

    site:.com inurl:blog "post a comment" -"comments closed" -"you must be logged in" "business"

    This is telling Google that you are looking for sites with a .com domain extension in the "business" niche that allow comments.

    This Next Part is IMPORTANT

    When you are commenting on these blogs, write something that is related to the blog post of the site, actually give some value to the site owner and site visitors. This may actually require you to read the blogpost or at least skim through some of it so you know what the post is about.

    If you are just leaving comments for the purpose of the backlink, your efforts won't take you very far. If you want to do this and have long term success from your efforts, at least act like you actually care about what the site owner or author has written.

    Sometimes asking questions that are related to the blogpost can cause a lot of people to respond. Just don't think of it as "gaining a backlink" but rather "social networking" with other people.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    When you are commenting on these blogs, write something that is related to the blog post of the site, actually give some value to the site owner and site visitors. This may actually require you to read the blogpost or at least skim through some of it so you know what the post is about.
    But...but...that's too much work! (Kidding)

    A lot of people avoid manual approval blogs like the plague, which I don't quite understand. If the blog is actively moderated (meaning it hasn't been abandoned) and you leave a good comment, there's a solid chance it will get approved. And your links will probably be stronger than if you were to blast away at a ton of blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author LinkVariety
    Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

    I see a lot of advice on this here forum about using blog commeting as part of an SEO strategy.

    I don't believe it works - most blogs are nofollow - and unfortunately nearly every comment I receive on my blogs is spam because some idiot wants a quick backlink. Today, I got this ridiculous comment:
    1. Most blogs are nofollow but not all
    2. Good comments will pass muster
    So what I do is:
    • I use scrapebox to find high PR do follow blogs that take comments.
    • I look for moderated blogs that are not full of spam.
    I outsource it to a native english speaking student with a good brain, who happens to like reading and discussing stuff, for real, and they go ahead and:

    • Read the post, and leave a good quality comment.
    • Anchor off a name like "James" as opposed to "Cheap Car Insurance".
    • Link to decent sites, not squeeze pages.

    That way you get links off good quality sites that genuinely help with your ranking, even if they do not anchor off "cheap car insurance".

    If you are creative you can often work a keyword into a name somehow, depending on the site.

    Anyway, the krux of what Im saying is that all comments are far from equally.

    Pushing a few buttons in scrapebox may not be particularly effective (though it can be), but that is not to say that "commenting is innefective".
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  • Profile picture of the author jaredrasc
    Yes It works but if you do it in right way. dont beg for approve comments.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by jaredrasc View Post

      Yes It works but if you do it in right way. dont beg for approve comments.
      If you follow the rule of only leaving quality comments on actively moderated (not abandoned) blogs you won't need to beg.
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    Good information i like it
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    Blog commenting DEFINITELY works. I use it very effectively on my sites.

    But I only use it for traffic. It probably is a backlink but that isn't important to me.
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