Question about keywords

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I am a web- rookie and I have a fishing website that is about 10 months old, and I've been doing a lot of content and link building, social stuff on FB and Twitter, Stumbleupon, Linkedin, Reddit, Delicious, etc. I started a blog about my site, wrote some articles on Ezine and Associated Content, joined a few forums and started posting (most fishing forums do not allow links in the post OR sig. box, unless you pay them for a "premium" or "business" account, much to my dismay).
Anyway, all this hard work has brought my Alexa worlwide rank down from 8 million+ to 391,000, and I'm averaging around 10 visits a day, most coming from a few high-traffic fishing sites that have exchanged links with me. I am indexed by Google and Yahoo, MSN and others, but I am not getting much search traffic at all - only 2 or 3 hits a week for long-tail keywords that aren't even in my keyword tags.
My question is this: on my homepage, my keywords are "fishing rods", "fishing reels", "fishing tackle", etc., then the titles of my sub-pages, like "freshwater fishing", "saltwater fishing", "fishing books". "fishing reports", etc. On the sub-pages my keywords get more specific, for instance, on the freshwater fishing page my keywords are "bass fishing", crappie fishing", walleye fishing", then "fishing rods, reels, lures", etc.
Am I doing this right?? I used to have a ton of keywords on my homepage tags, but a few people told me that was way too many, and the search engines wouldn't know what my site was about.
If anyone would be willing to view my site and offer some friendly advice I would be extremely thankful!
Just add (.com) to my username, that's my URL.
Thanks a million in advance to any kind Warriors offering advice.
#keywords #question
  • Profile picture of the author MichaelParsons
    Think 300.

    When you're looking for a killer keyword with lots of traffic and not a lot of competition, you need to keep 300 in your head. For a start.

    Math time

    (Monthly Keyword Searches)^2/(Competing Pages)= #

    You want that # around 300. 250 is fine, but 10,000 is a little better.

    3000^2/30000=300

    Drill into your related searches. You mention fishing rods. Have you drilled into that term to find the hot TYPES or BRANDS of fishing rods?

    Fishing Books. By whom? Are you seeing who's got a hot fishing book and using the Author's name or offering a review of the book or the tactics and strategies in the book?

    Salt or frsh water fishing. Where? When? I also know there are more than one species of bass, and some are only found in certain waters or in certain places.

    You catch a certain type of fish with a certain type of bait, right?

    I hope that gives you a few ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author bigfishingshop
      Math time

      (Monthly Keyword Searches)^2/(Competing Pages)= #

      You want that # around 300. 250 is fine, but 10,000 is a little better.

      3000^2/30000=300

      Thanks for the help Michael, your answer has inspired me. I have a question though, on what planet did you take your math classes? I am old school I guess, and don't quite understand what 3000^2/30000=300 means. 300 is good, 250 is fine, but 10,000 is better? I am confused.
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      • Profile picture of the author suemax
        I suspect there is some strong competition out there. Have you done any research on the top ten google sites for what are very broad keywords?

        I think I would look to niche down a lot and rank for something more specialist - "bass fishing for beginners", for instance. The major keywords will be tough.
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        • Profile picture of the author bigfishingshop
          I suspect there is some strong competition out there. Have you done any research on the top ten google sites for what are very broad keywords?

          I think I would look to niche down a lot and rank for something more specialist - "bass fishing for beginners", for instance. The major keywords will be tough.
          @Suemax - I'm beginning to understand, I think. Since the competition is so high on keywords like "fishing" and "bass fishing", I should try more specific keywords, like "best performing bass fishing lures", or "fishing rods for smallmouth bass". The search numbers are extremely low on those long keywords, but I should focus on quality, not quantity, so to speak, right? Low search numbers = low competition = more visitors to my site, right?
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        • Profile picture of the author TZ
          Originally Posted by suemax View Post

          I suspect there is some strong competition out there. Have you done any research on the top ten google sites for what are very broad keywords?

          I think I would look to niche down a lot and rank for something more specialist - "bass fishing for beginners", for instance. The major keywords will be tough.
          Ah yes....strong competition makes the sound of ching-ching-ching.

          The more competition, the more content on the web to "utilize" on your domain
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelParsons
        Originally Posted by bigfishingshop View Post

        Thanks for the help Michael, your answer has inspired me. I have a question though, on what planet did you take your math classes? I am old school I guess, and don't quite understand what 3000^2/30000=300 means. 300 is good, 250 is fine, but 10,000 is better? I am confused.
        Sorry, showing my age

        ^2 = to the 2nd power...squared...(3000)(3000)=9,000,000

        Take your keyword "fishing pole" and examine it with google keyword tool.

        Local monthly searches = 60500

        So, (60500)^2=3,660,250,000

        Now put "fishing pole" in quotes into a regular Google search and you see something that looks like "About 680,000 results (0.12 seconds)."

        3,660,250,000/680,000 = 5382.72 WAY more than the 300 minimum. This means that there are way too few websites in relation to the local (US) monthly searches. below 300 means there are too many websites for the number of monthly searches.

        BTW Global searches are 90,500! and "Fishing Pole is a "medium" competition KW.

        THIS IS KEI Keyword Effectiveness Indicator (Index), or "how you do what Market Samurai does without spending $97".

        OK NO FLAMES ABOUT MS! It's a great tool that does even more than this, but this is how we learn!

        Does this help BigFishingShop man?
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  • Profile picture of the author gittar1122
    Anyway, all this hard work has brought my Alexa worlwide rank down from 8 million+ to 391,000, and I'm averaging around 10 visits a day,
    391,000 Alexa with only 10 visits per day???? I think you are not right at this figure. Because in my view for 391,000 alexa ranking your sites will be having nearly 1000+ visits daily. Check it again

    Try to use only main keywords on homepage and long tails for the other pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author bigfishingshop
      Originally Posted by gittar1122 View Post

      391,000 Alexa with only 10 visits per day???? I think you are not right at this figure. Because in my view for 391,000 alexa ranking your sites will be having nearly 1000+ visits daily. Check it again

      Try to use only main keywords on homepage and long tails for the other pages.
      I just checked it and it is 389,779 right now. I should point out that my "statcounter" only counts visitors to my homepage, and actually most of my traffic comes to my articles pages.
      What is a good tracker that tracks ALL of your pages? I need one.

      Update: I just went into my statcounter and figured out how to install the code on all of my pages (something I should have done to start with), so now it will track all of my visitors instead of just the ones to my homepage. Sometimes I remind myself what a noob I really am!
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      • Profile picture of the author gittar1122
        I am using Histats.com Counter ,the free web stats and stat counter, hit counter, free web tracker and tracking tools, professional and free!! to get statistics for my site or you can use Google Analytics.
        Originally Posted by bigfishingshop View Post

        I just checked it and it is 389,779 right now. I should point out that my "statcounter" only counts visitors to my homepage, and actually most of my traffic comes to my articles pages.
        What is a good tracker that tracks ALL of your pages? I need one.

        Update: I just went into my statcounter and figured out how to install the code on all of my pages (something I should have done to start with), so now it will track all of my visitors instead of just the ones to my homepage. Sometimes I remind myself what a noob I really am!
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        Originally Posted by bigfishingshop View Post

        I just checked it and it is 389,779 right now. I should point out that my "statcounter" only counts visitors to my homepage, and actually most of my traffic comes to my articles pages.
        What is a good tracker that tracks ALL of your pages? I need one.

        Update: I just went into my statcounter and figured out how to install the code on all of my pages (something I should have done to start with), so now it will track all of my visitors instead of just the ones to my homepage. Sometimes I remind myself what a noob I really am!
        Google analytics is great for this. Curious why you don't have a header page that you use on all your pages. On the header you can put any code you need to apply to every page, thus helping keep things standard throughout your site.
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    • Profile picture of the author bigfishingshop
      Try to use only main keywords on homepage and long tails for the other pages.
      Thanks Gittar1122, that's exactly what I've been trying to figure out.
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      • Profile picture of the author bigfishingshop
        Thanks londonwarrior, I'll give them a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affportal
    You have to figure out what your competition is ranking for and then post content to focus on those keywords.

    Then submit some press releases, this can even be free, to point back to your posts containing your competitions keywords.

    I just wrote a tool that will return your competitions top keywords that they rank for in the top 20 natural results. It's my new favorite super app by the way!!!

    Here's the free version: keyword tool | find competitors keywords
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  • Profile picture of the author jhonsean
    Determine always the competition regarding on keywords. Its much more helpful to analyze the stand of your keywords to adjust whatever the situation maybe.
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