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Questions about WP Mage

by Ray007
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Hi,

I have been looking at WP Mage, and although it looks very interesting indeed(!), I have some questions for people who actually use the product or who feels they can respond on the basis of their deep expertise:

1. Doesn't the poor grammar of the auto-generated blog posts put people off? (All the blogs go through at least 2 Google translation processes e.g. English to Spanish and then back to English again).

2. Would you not have to manually write at least one (the latest and top) post anyway - in part to handle the effect of the translation problem in 1 above, but more importantly to specfically try to pre-sell the core product that the site "seed keyword" is focused around?

3. This is a biggie question for me: Although WP Mage automatically pulls-in lots affiliate products related to the site seed keyword, most of them are waaaaaaay down the very long page. Who is going to spend ages carefully scrolling down to find just the thing they are looking for? I just don't get it.

4. Although WP mage allows you to create back-dated posts, the SE bots aren't stupid. When they come across new WordPress sites that have not been indexed yet, and see that first post is dated say 18 months ago, will they not realise it's an auto-generated site, and penalise accordingly? This is of course particularly relevant in the light of Google's latest algorithm change to penalise exactly these kinds of sites.

Thanks!

Ray
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  • Profile picture of the author robwill2
    I was sent a link to a video all about this software yesterday. As it was from George Brown I thought it would be interesting.

    This software is supposed to write hundreds of pages for your website at the touch of a button.

    All sounds very impressive until I saw some of a post that this software had written, I wrote it down, word for word(see below)

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    This just does not make any sense, and I am sure would be picked up by Google very quickly.

    I just do not see how any software can write posts that sound convincing as if they had been written by a real person.

    This all looks very dodgy to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
    Originally Posted by Ray007 View Post

    Hi,

    I have been looking at WP Mage, and although it looks very interesting indeed(!), I have some questions for people who actually use the product or who feels they can respond on the basis of their deep expertise:
    Hi, I can answer your questions as they are quite common for new users

    Originally Posted by Ray007 View Post


    1. Doesn't the poor grammar of the auto-generated blog posts put people off? (All the blogs go through at least 2 Google translation processes e.g. English to Spanish and then back to English again).
    Originally Posted by robwill2 View Post


    This software is supposed to write hundreds of pages for your website at the touch of a button.

    I saw some of a post that this software had written

    The translation "problem" is a non issue because the majority of our users hardly even use it.

    Mage is a HUGE toolkit and translation is one part of many. If you actually do decide to use it and translate for example
    English-Spanish-English or English-French-English

    what you get back is "pretty good" meaning that at a glance most people wont notice. If you wanted to fine tooth pick it then sure... Though most Mages found that not translating does fine in itself.

    If you wanted to get horrible results you would use the tool to do something like
    english-korean-hindi-russain- english
    and then you will have a garbled mess

    for that specific example, I am not sure what demo you saw, because obviously i chose my languages to funnel through poorly, but I think my above answer clarifies.

    remember Mage is a comprehensive toolkit and is only as useful as far as you choose to use it

    Another valuable use of translation is making forgien language sites. So you can translate English-German and have sites focused on monetizing with Amazon Germany for example.

    Originally Posted by Ray007 View Post


    2. Would you not have to manually write at least one (the latest and top) post anyway - in part to handle the effect of the translation problem in 1 above, but more importantly to specifically try to pre-sell the core product that the site "seed keyword" is focused around?
    You can, but Mage wins via the long tail, meaning you can have a "core" keyword for a site, but the reality is that a large portion of your traffic will come directly to your thousands of long tail keywords.. things that only a few people search for a day, but you happen to be on top since you can target enmasse

    Originally Posted by Ray007 View Post


    3. This is a biggie question for me: Although WP Mage automatically pulls-in lots affiliate products related to the site seed keyword, most of them are waaaaaaay down the very long page. Who is going to spend ages carefully scrolling down to find just the thing they are looking for? I just don't get it.
    what you saw is the default demo template. after they "get their feet on the ground" We encourage users to customize their posting templates for that very reason. There is massive amounts of customization you can do.

    Originally Posted by Ray007 View Post


    4. Although WP mage allows you to create back-dated posts, the SE bots aren't stupid. When they come across new WordPress sites that have not been indexed yet, and see that first post is dated say 18 months ago, will they not realise it's an auto-generated site, and penalize accordingly? This is of course particularly relevant in the light of Google's latest algorithm change to penalise exactly these kinds of sites.
    Actually they are stupid (so far!) they index them fine.
    As for the Google Farmers update. It has completely been a non-effect for our users. Some sites went up, some went down as with every google update.

    Remember last year google had something called "mayday", which the result was about the same. And the thing is... if something did happen, then we are quick to adjust as our income depends on this as well, so it is in our interest to keep it working. We update the software approx 1-2 times a month to stay on top of industry changes.

    Hope that answers all your questions.
    I am here to reply to any more other future Mages may have
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    • Profile picture of the author robwill2
      Thank you Greg for the explanation.
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      • Profile picture of the author robwill2
        One other question Greg.

        In the example I showed, you set the software to English-Spanish-English.

        Why would you do that, surely it would be set to just write in English?
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        • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
          Originally Posted by robwill2 View Post

          One other question Greg.

          In the example I showed, you set the software to English-Spanish-English.

          Why would you do that, surely it would be set to just write in English?
          I have no idea which demo or such you are referencing or what I did. A better way to resolve your thoughts is goto:

          Google Translate
          and play around.

          That is EXACTLY what you are going to get with Mage translation. (if you decide to use it)
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    • Profile picture of the author jonkidd
      Hi Greg, I too was recommended the product via George Brown. I see that you focus predominantly on aged domains, but obviously this is not something that is discussed in the Sniper program.

      The main focus being to find domains for keywords and LSIs that enable you to promote one core affilliate product (per site) rather than trying to earn money from multiple smaller purchases on ebay etc.

      I would appreciate your thoughts into how this fits with the WP Mage system.

      Many thanks
      Jon
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
        Originally Posted by jonkidd View Post

        Hi Greg, I too was recommended the product via George Brown. I see that you focus predominantly on aged domains, but obviously this is not something that is discussed in the Sniper program.

        The main focus being to find domains for keywords and LSIs that enable you to promote one core affilliate product (per site) rather than trying to earn money from multiple smaller purchases on ebay etc.

        I would appreciate your thoughts into how this fits with the WP Mage system.

        Many thanks
        Jon
        Good question
        Obviously any site needs backlinks to get traffic.
        now with traditional SEO or Sniper Models the idea is to get your onsite SEO done and then build backlinks for that keyword

        This works fine, but goes against our principles of "automation"
        so what we do is we have a tool that allows us to purchase high PR "Expired" domains that already have backlinks and are esetually "plug and play" for traffic assuming all other things are in place. Just wanted to get that background out of the way for some readers.

        Now to your specific question of how does Mage and Sniper integrate.
        Well I actually have a full on report how to integrate the two systems that I am giving to people that purchase this, but the short summary is that

        1- you build your sniper site as instructed. (actually mage has an auto wordpress installer complete with pre-configured plugins, so you cut significant time off here)
        2 - you add the Mage plugins and then backdate approx 3000 posts that revolve around the general niche of your main sniper keyword.

        so what happens is you essentially PIMP (a mage specific term) your site by it being a traditional SEO/Sniper optimized site on the front end from which will trickle down authority to your thousands of long tail keywords which will then rank for obscure terms that nobody else is optimizing for

        so you get your high search main keyword on the front pages and then mop up the floor (often to higher returns) with the Mage long-long tails

        Does that answer your question?
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        • Profile picture of the author jonkidd
          Thanks Greg, indeed it does. I look forward
          to reading the report on the other side.
          Regards
          Jon
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        • Profile picture of the author jonkidd
          Hi Greg

          Thanks again for all the info. I am on your site trying to purchase Sniper Mage however the credit card information is not being accepted. Currently I have issues with my PayPal account. Is there any other way to process payment?

          Thanks
          Jon
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          • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
            Originally Posted by jonkidd View Post

            Hi Greg

            Thanks again for all the info. I am on your site trying to purchase Sniper Mage however the credit card information is not being accepted. Currently I have issues with my PayPal account. Is there any other way to process payment?

            Thanks
            Jon
            contact our support desk
            WPmage - Kayako eSupport Help Desk Software

            and they should be able to sort you out.
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            • Profile picture of the author MegaWealthX
              Hey Greg,

              Great info from the horses mouth! Wordpress Mage is very interesting to me. I'm also a Google sniper (George Brown is Great!) wanting to know if i can integrate Clickbank products? I see that you can integrate Adsense. Oh also Greg on average what kind of money are you earning using Adsense on your Mage sites?
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              • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
                Originally Posted by MegaWealthX View Post

                Hey Greg,

                Great info from the horses mouth! Wordpress Mage is very interesting to me. I'm also a Google sniper (George Brown is Great!) wanting to know if i can integrate Clickbank products? I see that you can integrate Adsense. Oh also Greg on average what kind of money are you earning using Adsense on your Mage sites?
                Yes it definitley integrates with Clickbank and people use it

                It definitely integrates with Adsense, however I would not recommend using it out of the box unless you are well deep in teh Adsense game and familiar with their dance. There are more stable sources of monetization you can use with Mage.

                Originally Posted by Byron Hight View Post

                Hey Mr. Jacobs:
                Raw, fresh, newbie here, having just acquired your WP Mage program. But I can't get off of first base. I never received the '2 e-mails' as stated in the thank you letter, and I've been unable to address your support desk. I registered, but still can't get in. Tried to re-register, but now, the account already exists, so it apparently accepted the first effort, but I still can't get in. If I understand this correctly, if I launch 100 websites, I'll need 100 domains, or somewhere around $500.00 worth, or can more that one website be launched per Domain. This is not a problem, just want to know, up front, how far to jump. I'm impressed with what I've read, just would like to establish a line of communication.
                check your spam box for the emails if you dont see them and

                our support desk is at WPmage - Kayako eSupport Help Desk Software

                if you have troubles there please email support at wpmage dot com
                and it will get to the same place

                thanks
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                • Profile picture of the author MegaWealthX
                  Hey Greg,

                  It's $797 for the WP Mage software... but what's the cost for each expired domain(s) we need for each one of the hundreds of blogs we create? Also we need to purchase them only from GoDaddy? And is there any other expenses after purchasing the software and domain names? :confused:
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                  • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
                    Originally Posted by MegaWealthX View Post

                    Hey Greg,

                    but what's the cost for each expired domain(s) we need for each one of the hundreds of blogs we create? Also we need to purchase them only from GoDaddy? And is there any other expenses after purchasing the software and domain names? :confused:
                    Well.. you dont "need" to purchase expired domains...

                    from a technical standpoint I am selling you WPMAGe, which is a toolkit and in my training i "recommend" to purchase expired domains from Godaddy.

                    because they already have backlinks built. If you choose to follow my training then I found Godaddy is the best place to find expired domains, but if you can buy sites from owners who have already spent time building them up.

                    However that being said, many people get my TOOLKIT and apply it to their own methods and understanding of internet marketing and find just as much success or more. So the moral here is understand what you are buying and how it will help your businesses.

                    Originally Posted by byau View Post

                    Hi Greg,

                    Fantastic thread. I also read through the thread from a year ago as well. It's interesting reading the discussion/debate on various points of using this software.

                    I have one quick question:

                    Is there any monthly cost to use wpmage/snipermage or is it one time fee? I noticed the no upsells but I just wanted to confirm.

                    Thanks,
                    no upsells and no other money you need to spend with me. Though you will need hosting and if you follow my training to purchase some domains to put your sites on.

                    Originally Posted by byau View Post

                    Actually I have another question. In the sniper video it shows that you can automate overstock, epn, and amazon. Has the software been updated now to automate affiliate links from clickbank and other affiliate offers? I am not an epn nor overstock affiliate. I used to be an ebay affiliate but sometime in 2009 for some reason that stopped and i never followed up on it (strangely the scripts I put up still work though and display ebay auctions). And, I just tried to today applying for overstock and my application was instantaneously denied.

                    So I'd be starting out with just Amazon.

                    Thoughts?

                    Thanks!
                    currently Mage integrates with
                    epn, adsense, overstock, cj, linkshare, chitaka, clickbank, amazon, cpa networks/own product via intext/banner linking and groupon (coming soon)

                    there are numerous threads in our forums about how to get accepted for overstock. Usually you have to apply twice and send them a message.
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      Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

      If you actually do decide to use it and translate for example
      English-Spanish-English or English-French-English

      what you get back is "pretty good" meaning that at a glance most people wont notice.
      [...]
      Another valuable use of translation is making forgien language sites. So you can translate English-German and have sites focused on monetizing with Amazon Germany for example.
      I am not familiar with the software, however I am a linguist and have worked as a translator/interpreter for many years. Most likely, I am the only one in this forum with graduate studies in translation theory and cross-cultural communication.

      A while ago I had the opportunity to work with some of the most advanced linguistic programs. Not even those could do a decent human-readable translation. And all the online "translation programs" are as bad as it gets.

      So, anybody (especially, a non-linguist) saying their software is doing a "pretty good" translation that has "value"... is misleading the customers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
        Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

        I am not familiar with the software, however I am a linguist and have worked as a translator/interpreter for many years. Most likely, I am the only one in this forum with graduate studies in translation theory and cross-cultural communication.

        A while ago I had the opportunity to work with some of the most advanced linguistic programs. Not even those could do a decent human-readable translation. And all the online "translation programs" are as bad as it gets.

        So, anybody (especially, a non-linguist) saying their software is doing a "pretty good" translation that has "value"... is misleading the customers.
        we integrate with Google Translate so it is their Software! (Greg passing the buck to google on this one :-)

        but to your point; it does have "value", but not by the definition that you would assign to "value"

        the "value" here is that the search engines reconcile it as unique or semi-unique content and then give it another notch of authority that in turns makes them more likely to shuffle visitors to the page and those visitors will then (in theory) go and click on various affiliate links and ads earning the site owner $, hence qualifying the original purpose of the website in question.

        by assigning the term value to "helps the website owner make money" then yes. it does posses "value"

        but on a horizontal debate, we are not even sure if translating do too much as Mage has been active for approx 17 months and though extensive testing (thousands of domains) and discussions on our forums many advanced Mage users found that there is no noticeable difference in traffic and earnings (in agg) between using translation or leaving the content in its original form
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Cote
    Greg,

    Do you have any upsells?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ray007
    Thank you all, and in particular to Greg for responding to all my points in this my first ever Warrior Forum created thread.

    Greg - I have two further questions:

    QUESTION 1
    but on a horizontal debate, we are not even sure if translating do too much as Mage has been active for approx 17 months and though extensive testing (thousands of domains) and discussions on our forums many advanced Mage users found that there is no noticeable difference in traffic and earnings (in agg) between using translation or leaving the content in its original form
    Greg - are you then saying that there appears to be no Google duplicate content penalty? How can this be?

    QUESTION 2
    Now to your specific question of how does Mage and Sniper integrate.
    Well I actually have a full on report how to integrate the two systems that I am giving to people that purchase this, but the short summary is that
    I have purchased MAGE but cannot see this Report. Would you please let me know where it is?

    Many thanks!
    Ray
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
      Originally Posted by Ray007 View Post

      Thank you all, and in particular to Greg for responding to all my points in this my first ever Warrior Forum created thread.

      Greg - I have two further questions:

      QUESTION 1
      Greg - are you then saying that there appears to be no Google duplicate content penalty? How can this be?

      QUESTION 2
      I have purchased MAGE but cannot see this Report. Would you please let me know where it is?

      Many thanks!
      Ray

      1 - I dont want this to turn into a "duplicate content debate" thread as that will take it FARRRR away from its main purpose..... But the simple short answer is that FOR MAGE SITES, it doesn't seem to matter based on thousands of domains tested and monitored

      2 - Recheck your welcome email. there will be a link in there, if you dont see it contact our support desk and they will send you over the link.

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    duplicate content debate is remove by google now days
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  • Profile picture of the author Byron Hight
    Hey Mr. Jacobs:
    Raw, fresh, newbie here, having just acquired your WP Mage program. But I can't get off of first base. I never received the '2 e-mails' as stated in the thank you letter, and I've been unable to address your support desk. I registered, but still can't get in. Tried to re-register, but now, the account already exists, so it apparently accepted the first effort, but I still can't get in. If I understand this correctly, if I launch 100 websites, I'll need 100 domains, or somewhere around $500.00 worth, or can more that one website be launched per Domain. This is not a problem, just want to know, up front, how far to jump. I'm impressed with what I've read, just would like to establish a line of communication.
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  • Profile picture of the author byau
    Hi Greg,

    Fantastic thread. I also read through the thread from a year ago as well. It's interesting reading the discussion/debate on various points of using this software.

    I have one quick question:

    Is there any monthly cost to use wpmage/snipermage or is it one time fee? I noticed the no upsells but I just wanted to confirm.

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author byau
    Actually I have another question. In the sniper video it shows that you can automate overstock, epn, and amazon. Has the software been updated now to automate affiliate links from clickbank and other affiliate offers? I am not an epn nor overstock affiliate. I used to be an ebay affiliate but sometime in 2009 for some reason that stopped and i never followed up on it (strangely the scripts I put up still work though and display ebay auctions). And, I just tried to today applying for overstock and my application was instantaneously denied.

    So I'd be starting out with just Amazon.

    Thoughts?

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author docdurdin2
    Good Morning Warriors,

    I want to be clear that I recently purchased Mage and am not an affiliate. Just starting, I have purchased my first three target sites and waiting for GD to clear them.
    After spending the weekend going through much of the material and getting a feel for it, (my) thoughts are as follows.

    One question I saw here deals with buying from Go Daddy and I can say they have always been the best for site research and if you don't like using them long term just transfer after the 1st year. It is my belief 40.00 per site will be MY average because I found better targets in the 10-20 range and after fees it will run that. If I expect to give my site a shot to make me 400+ a month and can't invest that, why bother? If I can gank a good $5 site cool.

    The main control of Mage integrates with your host server to allow you to set it and forget it. Once installed you can build your Wordpress sites with a huge host of options. This is where I believe the (individual) must come to terms with the what they want from the tool. Just how much work are you willing to do to personalize or PIMP it as Greg calls it. If you wants to overcome the rejection rates form various networks, this will be a MUST in my HO.. Be quiet and sneak in the back door.

    The Mage keyword tool is, well, scary. Using just one main keyword it can pull keywords dating back to the Roman Empire ; ) This is something I am not sure of as I never knew you could use that many keywords and will the spiders see them as bots, ect.. That's me asking a question ( help or hurt.)

    Next and last is my question of being locked into the system. I believe I understand they are working on this, but if I want to sell one site at a later date, it's problematic. How to pull that site out of the system and maintain integrity.

    I look forward to putting the system to the test. Everything I have heard from Greg has been direct, straight forward and clear. If the Mage does not suit you I believe he has been clear he offers a full refund so for me it's worth a huge effort to make it work for me.

    Cheers, Doc
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    • Profile picture of the author sane1
      Originally Posted by docdurdin2 View Post

      Good Morning Warriors,

      I want to be clear that I recently purchased Mage and am not an affiliate. Just starting, I have purchased my first three target sites and waiting for GD to clear them.
      After spending the weekend going through much of the material and getting a feel for it, (my) thoughts are as follows.

      One question I saw here deals with buying from Go Daddy and I can say they have always been the best for site research and if you don't like using them long term just transfer after the 1st year. It is my belief 40.00 per site will be MY average because I found better targets in the 10-20 range and after fees it will run that. If I expect to give my site a shot to make me 400+ a month and can't invest that, why bother? If I can gank a good $5 site cool.

      The main control of Mage integrates with your host server to allow you to set it and forget it. Once installed you can build your Wordpress sites with a huge host of options. This is where I believe the (individual) must come to terms with the what they want from the tool. Just how much work are you willing to do to personalize or PIMP it as Greg calls it. If you wants to overcome the rejection rates form various networks, this will be a MUST in my HO.. Be quiet and sneak in the back door.

      The Mage keyword tool is, well, scary. Using just one main keyword it can pull keywords dating back to the Roman Empire ; ) This is something I am not sure of as I never knew you could use that many keywords and will the spiders see them as bots, ect.. That's me asking a question ( help or hurt.)

      Next and last is my question of being locked into the system. I believe I understand they are working on this, but if I want to sell one site at a later date, it's problematic. How to pull that site out of the system and maintain integrity.

      I look forward to putting the system to the test. Everything I have heard from Greg has been direct, straight forward and clear. If the Mage does not suit you I believe he has been clear he offers a full refund so for me it's worth a huge effort to make it work for me.

      Cheers, Doc
      Good luck Doc.
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    Any existing users care to offer their experiences with Mage, Sniper Mage and/or Mage sites and Google Farmer update?
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    • Profile picture of the author AllThingsArePossible
      Originally Posted by Simurai View Post

      Any existing users care to offer their experiences with Mage, Sniper Mage and/or Mage sites and Google Farmer update?
      seems to be overpriced at 700 dollars when other softwares are lower
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    So if you have wp mage, do you have to purchase each individual site from a provider that you publish this blog onto? I know you need to pay the $8 or watever for hosting a yr, but do I need to pay for each individual .com I post onto. Sorry in advance if this is a stupid question, im just getting into IM.

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