Is There Such Thing As To Many Keywords ?

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Driving Traffic and SEO optimization feels like a mythical creature to me, I am not really sure what is the best way to go about doing it. I have tried article marketing and social media marketing mainly and I don't feel like I am getting results.

Anyway, I am working on SEO optimization for my blog, and was wondering if it is negative to have to many keywords associated with your pages ?

Is there a recommend amount, 10 , 20 , 50 , Unlimted The More The Merrier !?!

Do search engines penalize you for having to many ?
#keywords #thing
  • Profile picture of the author mediasurgeons
    Originally Posted by success1618 View Post

    Driving Traffic and SEO optimization feels like a mythical creature to me, I am not really sure what is the best way to go about doing it. I have tried article marketing and social media marketing mainly and I don't feel like I am getting results.

    Anyway, I am working on SEO optimization for my blog, and was wondering if it is negative to have to many keywords associated with your pages ?

    Is there a recommend amount, 10 , 20 , 50 , Unlimted The More The Merrier !?!

    Do search engines penalize you for having to many ?
    1 is too many if you're not getting results.

    You need to remember that even if you on page optimize for 50 you're going to have to build links for those 50 keywords as well.

    My advice would be to optimize for 1 keyword until you know what you're doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author lstoops
    I would take a few keywords at a time and get those on the first page of Google before attempting to rank with others. Keep it simple...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      1. The keywords have to be relevant to the content on the page.

      2. You will need to create backlinks for each keyword separately.

      3. In all honesty, how many keywords, in the normal course of conversation,
      are going to fit on one page, article, whatever?

      Use your head. Look at similar sites in the niche you're tackling, the ones
      ranking at the top of the SERPs and look and see what they're doing.

      The answers are right in front of your eyes. All you have to do is analyze
      the competition.
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    • Profile picture of the author jacked
      Originally Posted by lstoops View Post

      I would take a few keywords at a time and get those on the first page of Google before attempting to rank with others. Keep it simple...
      Yes do this. Optimizing for tons of terms at once will take quite some time before seeing results. Do it in batches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter76
    Id focus on the specific keywords that best describe your site or your services..
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  • Profile picture of the author wendymay1
    Referring to articles if you look at my link below you will see I have 5 keywords on

    website building. Also I have information here from a friend of mind:

    Keyword Basics Part 1
    - Discovering The Keyword Matrix
    by Chris Farrell and Ken McGaffin

    The secret of writing great online copy is simple: use keywords - the words people use when they search - in your copy.

    The reasons for this are twofold:

    1.If you use the words people use when they search in your copy, page titles, descriptions and links, then you'll score well in search engine results and more people will find your site.

    2.The language you use will be appropriate to your audience. And as any seasoned direct marketer will tell you, speak to people in their own language and they will be more likely to buy from you.

    That of course begs the question, "How do you find your best keywords"?

    Most people either just guess or do perfunctory research using one of the many free keyword tools that you'll find online.

    But if you want to succeed online, you've got to spend enough time and energy finding out the words your customers really use when they search. Using just 20 or so keywords is more than enough to start with.


    Keyword Research and Quotation Marks - How to Dominate the Search Engine Results Pages
    by Chris Farrell

    Keyword research and quotation marks are two related subjects that confuse many online (including myself when I began).

    In fact - I get asked about these two subjects on almost a daily basis.

    The question usually goes something like this: 'Why should I use quotation marks ("") when conducting keyword research - because nobody uses "" when searching online.'

    Great question!

    Ready for the answer!

    The inverted commas are really only there for YOU - to help with your research. That is the ONLY reason!

    Please allow me to me explain:

    The quotes allow you to ascertain your competition.

    This is the SECRET that no one explains!

    When you conduct a search at Google WITHOUT the quotes - you get results that contain your keywords IN ANY COMBINATION.

    But... when you conduct a search at Google WITH the quotes - you get results that only include pages that contain your EXACT keyword phrase.

    Do you see the difference? A lot of people don't at first.

    Let me give you an example: Say you looked at the keyword "lose weight for summer holiday".

    Lets imagine the results are 767,000 searches without quotes - and 1,000 with quotes. You may want to consider using this as a key phrase because using the exact term you are only competing with 1,000 pages - not 767,000.

    Does that makes sense?

    I know at first it takes a few moments to see the difference - it took me months!

    When people type in a search in Google WITHOUT quotes, they will get ANY site that uses that keyword in their articles, webpage etc. Plus, without quotes the keyword won't necessarily be the 'exact' keyword. It could be broken up.

    An example of this is - if your keyword is "fastest way to build credit." Google will pick up sites that might include "fastest" and "build credit", but not necessarily in that order (or even grouped together).

    But using the quotation marks for your keyword research - you will bring up sites/articles who are specifically optimizing for the keywords you are targeting.

    Do you see?

    Keyword Research in Quotation Marks gives you an idea of the TRUE competition you are up against.

    When you use quotes, it brings up your most prominent competition.

    In other words, people who know a bit about what they are doing to rank for those keywords.

    Using keywords in quotation marks just tells you more precisely who you are competing against.

    It's true most people never use quotes when they are doing a search for something - but if you do - this will give you an idea how many pages you are competing with for your keywords.

    Using "" is just a tool to give you an edge on your competition.

    Understanding Keyword Research and Quotation Marks is a powerful technique to to beat your competitors - and to get to the top of the Search Engines.

    I Hope all*this helps

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Originally Posted by success1618 View Post

    Anyway, I am working on SEO optimization for my blog, and was wondering if it is negative to have to many keywords associated with your pages ?

    Is there a recommend amount, 10 , 20 , 50 , Unlimted The More The Merrier !?!

    Do search engines penalize you for having to many ?
    I think you need to clarify one point which is adding to the confusion of the answers you are receiving.

    Are you talking about how many keywords PER POST, or PER BLOG?

    Per Post - Should be one primary keyword, but in the course of writing you are likely to end up with associated phrases which will be discovered and ranked.

    Per Blog - If you have 10,000 posts, you could potentially have 10,000 keywords. Most likely that will not be the case. Create a list of phrases you intend to target for your blog, and then use them in rotation among the posts on your blog. It could be 10 phrases or over 100 depending on what your research turns up.

    Keep in mind, Google is going to reward your site for staying on topic. This does not mean sticking to one phrase, but staying with phrases they see as associated. Use the Google Keyword tool and see what other phrases they see as related. Choose ones which make sense for your blog.

    Back to your original question....As many as make sense for your topic and market. Just do not try to focus on more than one or two for any particular post.

    One more point....Wikipedia targets hundreds of thousands of phrases. (Well kind of..) Google penalized them with a PR9, and consistent high rankings. I think that should answer your other question...
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  • Profile picture of the author haymanpl
    You should really only target one keyword per page

    However, what you want to do is complete basic keyword research to find related keywords and key phrases that mean the same thing as the main keyword you are targeting

    Don't stuff you page with heaps of different keywords. It will get you nowhere and possibly banned from serps for keyword stuffing by the big G.

    Here's an example: If your writing about "wordpress forums" you would write about the following:

    wordpress forums
    wordpress help forum
    wordpress support forum

    These 3 keywords mean the same thing so when they are typed into the search query, you need to have all of them in your content to score a broad match and possibly an exact match. If you score an exact match on all keywords that have the same meaning and have depth in your content as well as internal linking to other posts and pages with highly related content (check the google wonder wheel) then even better.

    You would then do keyword research on these keywords and discuss a little about these 3 keywords which all mean the same

    You could then go to google and find the related searches and write a little about those keywords if it relates to your main keyword

    For this example, all you want to write about is everything to do with wordpress forums

    Google has written guide to seo for beginners that i offer for free fron a link on my site which should make the picture clear for you.

    Download Your Free Search Engine Optimisation Starter Guide
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  • Profile picture of the author success1618
    Forgive me for asking, but what are back-links exactly ? I see this term used frequently but I am not sure I totally understand what they are.

    Are you talking about how many keywords PER POST, or PER BLOG?
    Both I guess, I have a blog and posts and I am not sure really how to properly set up the keywords for seo. But your later comments answered my question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Back Links are incoming links from other websites to your blog. Those income links (URL's) should use an anchor text for your targeted phrase when possible.

    The number of incoming links, especially from higher PR sites, will play an important role in your ranking on the search engines.

    Most of the time you must take action to start getting back links. Examples would include:

    1. Using Social Bookmarking sites to create links to your blog posts. Digg and Stumbleupon are a couple examples.
    2. Blog comments with a link back to your own blog. Make sure the comments are useful and pertain to the content of the owner's blog post.
    3. PingBack - Slight variation of blog posts.
    4. RSS Feed Submissions
    5. Directory Submissions
    6. Links in Video on YouTube and other sites which point back to your site.
    7. Articles in article directories linking back to your blog.
    8. Syndicated articles on a wide variety of other blogs, ezines, and newsletters linking to your site.
    9. Creating blogs and Web 2.0 sites on your own to create an SEO funnel. Sites like Wordpress.com, Blogger, Squidoo, Weebly, Hubpages, etc... all with links coming back to your site.
    10. Links in profiles on a variety of sites.
    11. Signature lines in forum posts.
    12. Tweets on Twitter with your links.

    There are even more ways to generate back links than those, but it should give you the idea and a starting point.
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  • Profile picture of the author success1618
    Very helpful, in regards to backlinks. How many links per post do you want to get supporting a page ?
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