Why would someone do manual link building?

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It has always confused me why someone would do link building manually, is there something I'm missing out on? What type of manual link building is benefitial?

Profile links - automated
Blog comments - automated
Web 2.0 - automated
Bookmarks - automated
Article marketing - automated

Anyone who does those manually clearly has too much time on their hands :p So what manual link building method can't be automated? (and has value)
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
    The only ones I would ever do manually are .edu or .gov links but yes, all the others are thankfully automated otherwise I probably would have gassed myself by now from seo boredom.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek S
    Google is crazy good at following trails and while some tools are obviously helpful things like automated blog commenting are an easy way to get a penalty quickly. Most of these automated software programs will only rotate comments... Google can easily spot websites you spammed with the exact same comment for sites around different themes. So while it is good for black hat SEO it is much more risky than having a comment that actually provides value to the blog post.

    Not to mention that this software often mass submits to the same pages/sites time and time again and google can easily spot them. When they do, they devalue all the links and the site itself.

    Software can't find PR 6 blog posts with only 4 auto approve dofollow OBL

    I would say if you are going to automate everything at least have it auto drip instead of mass submit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Djeims
      Software can't find PR 6 blog posts with only 4 auto approve dofollow OBL
      it can actually but I totaly agre with you @Derek S.

      There is one I still can't automate @jtgjustin My private list with 100 web 2.0 websites with free blogs and high authority which are not in SEnuke. I don't even use this program.
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      • Profile picture of the author redstanford
        i'm doing all my backlinking manually. i didnt realize there was any other way. any recommendations on automated backlinking? sure would save me a ton of time and nerves
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        • Profile picture of the author jtgjustin
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Yes, your missing out on authority links.

          A single authority link can put that list of low quality backlinks to shame.

          What links I build, I build them all by hand, I call it quality control.
          How would you go about getting authority links? I assume you'd have to buy them right?

          Originally Posted by redstanford View Post

          i'm doing all my backlinking manually. i didnt realize there was any other way. any recommendations on automated backlinking? sure would save me a ton of time and nerves
          Scrapebox for comments, SEnuke for 2.0s, Xrumor for profiles, and AMR for articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author DOWORKSON
      Originally Posted by Derek S View Post

      Google is crazy good at following trails and while some tools are obviously helpful things like automated blog commenting are an easy way to get a penalty quickly. Most of these automated software programs will only rotate comments... Google can easily spot websites you spammed with the exact same comment for sites around different themes. So while it is good for black hat SEO it is much more risky than having a comment that actually provides value to the blog post.

      Not to mention that this software often mass submits to the same pages/sites time and time again and google can easily spot them. When they do, they devalue all the links and the site itself.

      Software can't find PR 6 blog posts with only 4 auto approve dofollow OBL

      I would say if you are going to automate everything at least have it auto drip instead of mass submit.
      No offense. Like, actually.. But everything you just said is completely wrong. You obviously have never used automation or don't know how to use it properly. I'm not saying this to be a dick, I'm just saying it so people don't blindly follow incorrect advice.
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      • Profile picture of the author Derek S
        Originally Posted by DOWORKSON View Post

        No offense. Like, actually.. But everything you just said is completely wrong. You obviously have never used automation or don't know how to use it properly. I'm not saying this to be a dick, I'm just saying it so people don't blindly follow incorrect advice.
        Or you have only experienced the short term effects. I use xrumer and scrape box for mass commenting and profile creation. I know what I'm doing and the long term effects of using both.

        I know the proper way of using them but I also know the way most actually do and am tired of hearing the sob stories of people getting sites deindexed simply because they thought one huge blast world bring them #1rankings.

        My top money sites are all manually built backlinks and most have been personally accuired through my team contacting web site owners... This site will still be ranking 5 years from now for that keyword. I would never recommend anyone to depend soley on fully automated programs for long term success. This is how a site with 7,000 backlinks can outrank a site with 100,000.

        only time I would use automated programs on a quality site is if I only used it to build backlinks TO my backlinks
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        • Profile picture of the author MarksWineClub
          Originally Posted by Derek S View Post

          Or you have only experienced the short term effects. I use xrumer and scrape box for mass commenting and profile creation. I know what I'm doing and the long term effects of using both.

          I know the proper way of using them but I also know the way most actually do and am tired of hearing the sob stories of people getting sites deindexed simply because they thought one huge blast world bring them #1rankings.

          My top money sites are all manually built backlinks and most have been personally accuired through my team contacting web site owners... This site will still be ranking 5 years from now for that keyword. I would never recommend anyone to depend soley on fully automated programs for long term success. This is how a site with 7,000 backlinks can outrank a site with 100,000.

          only time I would use automated programs on a quality site is if I only used it to build backlinks TO my backlinks
          I thought the "classic" SEO guys were suppose to mention that you should build great content first and then contact site owners?

          Out of curiosity, how could I compete with the NY Times in my niche by contacting site owners when they receive 5k blog mentions based on a single press release?

          Clearly there has to some middle ground between, following G's instructions to the letter and spamming sites to death. Like much in business, the real question is how much risk you're willing to accept.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEOpsychic
      Originally Posted by Derek S View Post

      Google is crazy good at following trails and while some tools are obviously helpful things like automated blog commenting are an easy way to get a penalty quickly. Most of these automated software programs will only rotate comments... Google can easily spot websites you spammed with the exact same comment for sites around different themes. So while it is good for black hat SEO it is much more risky than having a comment that actually provides value to the blog post.

      Not to mention that this software often mass submits to the same pages/sites time and time again and google can easily spot them. When they do, they devalue all the links and the site itself.

      Software can't find PR 6 blog posts with only 4 auto approve dofollow OBL

      I would say if you are going to automate everything at least have it auto drip instead of mass submit.
      i agree with you. another thing; most people keep complaining that they backlink counts keep reducing. someway somehow, the owners of the site they 'spammed' will get to know of their intent and delete the links. so in the end it's just a waste of time. but taking your time and doing good and sensible comments related to the them of site will last forever and is very worth every second you spent doing the manual backlink.
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  • Profile picture of the author inter123
    Maybe I am doing it wrong. I have been doing all this manually and the benefits of most of these techniques are minimal.

    Originally Posted by jtgjustin View Post

    Profile links - automated
    Blog comments - automated
    Web 2.0 - automated
    Bookmarks - automated
    Article marketing - automated
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Yes, your missing out on authority links.

    A single authority link can put that list of low quality backlinks to shame.

    What links I build, I build them all by hand, I call it quality control.



    Originally Posted by jtgjustin View Post

    It has always confused me why someone would do link building manually, is there something I'm missing out on? What type of manual link building is benefitial?

    Profile links - automated
    Blog comments - automated
    Web 2.0 - automated
    Bookmarks - automated
    Article marketing - automated

    Anyone who does those manually clearly has too much time on their hands :p So what manual link building method can't be automated? (and has value)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Yes, your missing out on authority links.

      A single authority link can put that list of low quality backlinks to shame.
      unfortunately we are now at the place where people truly believe that quality backlinks mean you get some obscure link 200 hops away from A PR 4 home page (or worse no hops at all because the navigation doesn't allow anything to flow to the profile section at all)

      Lets face it automatic link building outside of the occasional low spammed blog comment is all weak stuff. People don't want to hear about manual link building and real authority links because they can't push a button for it or get it with $15 packet.

      The OP has every right to think that all there is to link building is putting a link on a profile page. If I put a WSO out right now that taught people to get high authority links from webmasters I'd sell two copies when they realize they actually have to email them rather than hit a button.

      I'll prove it. I had a thread here giving away FREE high PR contextual links if they post an article and after two weeks I had less than 20 takers. If I put up a thread showing how to get 10,000 near worthless links It will be at page 3 by Friday.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        What you should do is create the next EZA, only when you first start out have people post their articles on your site (free content) then point a couple of authority links at each article page. Their article will start ranking on your site in the SERPs & they won't know what the he$$ is going on (must be EZA magic ).

        So basically all your doing is building links to your own site, slap up a massive amount of affliate links, just EZA does.

        Word will spread how fast your new article site is getting the free articles indexed.

        Cash the checks, & repeat...

        All along your building authority links to the pages you own (again with free content).




        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        unfortunately we are now at the place where people truly believe that quality backlinks mean you get some obscure link 200 hops away from A PR 4 home page (or worse no hops at all because the navigation doesn't allow anything to flow to the profile section at all)

        Lets face it automatic link building outside of the occasional low spammed blog comment is all weak stuff. People don't want to hear about manual link building and real authority links because they can't push a button for it or get it with $15 packet.

        The OP has every right to think that all there is to link building is putting a link on a profile page. If I put a WSO out right now that taught people to get high authority links from webmasters I'd sell two copies when they realize they actually have to email them rather than hit a button.

        I'll prove it. I had a thread here giving away FREE high PR contextual links if they post an article and after two weeks I had less than 20 takers. If I put up a thread showing how to get 10,000 near worthless links It will be at page 3 by Friday.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonnyhardbaked
    Building links manually is the only option if you want to get good quality backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author volaer
      Originally Posted by jonnyhardbaked View Post

      Building links manually is the only option if you want to get good quality backlinks.

      It's not an option... It is a MUST in making your core backlinks. So what do you really need to do? A mixture of manual and automatic.

      Core backlinks, should be manual.
      Outside the core backlinks can be automatic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justinpage
    By building links manually, you can get good quality backlinks. I think that's the only reason why we build links manually. You also have the freedom to select which sites will help in improving your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author TaiZejan
    If you're trying to rank in stiff competition, for longevity don't use automated tools to build links. Instead, use available tools to find high quality authority sites.. then manually build (or outsource) the link building process..

    All those link building software packages are only good, IMO for sites that don't have much comp and you just want to get to the top quick.. but realize, that as your links start to fall (which they will) you site will move down.. AND a site with a fraction of high quality links will out rank you and sustain much better.

    Moral of the story, for sustainability manual build the links, using software to find sites.

    For quick jobs, buy links.. but that will only get you so far.

    Quality is a big thing that people are forgetting about now a days.

    most of my sites rank pretty well, I'm a little old school. However, in the past 6 months-year I have used link building services, but I also notice that my SERP ranking is not as solid..
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  • Profile picture of the author jhnbrwn
    These automated tools definately would increase your ranking over search engines but only for very short period of time then the google spiders would devalue your link and then it woud be very hard to find your link even in the top 20 pages
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  • Profile picture of the author kaiserthesage
    There's one thing that link automation can't do that manual link acquisition can, automated link building can't obtain the strongest form of link there is on the web - editorial links.
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  • Profile picture of the author ambalaldarji
    Because the Tools and software will not give you the quality results. So do always manually link building.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Agency
    Manual link building is worthy and effective plus it prohibit your site from being penalized by SE.
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  • Profile picture of the author jtgjustin
    Thank you for all of your replys but I think I'll still stick to automated link building, I found a way to automaticly build authority backlinks, it involves creating 20 unique blogs to one blog twenty times. This is a lot cheaper than my origonal plan of buying PR 6 home page links.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by jtgjustin View Post

      It has always confused me why someone would do link building manually, is there something I'm missing out on? What type of manual link building is benefitial?

      Profile links - automated
      Blog comments - automated
      Web 2.0 - automated
      Bookmarks - automated
      Article marketing - automated

      Anyone who does those manually clearly has too much time on their hands :p So what manual link building method can't be automated? (and has value)
      Ummmm... okay...

      Originally Posted by DOWORKSON View Post

      No offense. Like, actually.. But everything you just said is completely wrong. You obviously have never used automation or don't know how to use it properly. I'm not saying this to be a dick, I'm just saying it so people don't blindly follow incorrect advice.
      What did he say that was wrong? I think everything you just said is wrong.

      Originally Posted by jtgjustin View Post

      How would you go about getting authority links? I assume you'd have to buy them right?



      Scrapebox for comments, SEnuke for 2.0s, Xrumor for profiles, and AMR for articles.
      I wouldn't use any of those, for ANYTHING to do with linking to my main site.

      Originally Posted by jtgjustin View Post

      Thank you for all of your replys but I think I'll still stick to automated link building, I found a way to automaticly build authority backlinks, it involves creating 20 unique blogs to one blog twenty times. This is a lot cheaper than my origonal plan of buying PR 6 home page links.
      And your outlook on this is the same reason you will be back here in a few months wondering why your site was deindexed. LOL.

      The truth of the matter is, quality and relevance counts. You see how the algorithm works, with press releases for example. You could have it syndicated about 15,000 times, but only about 60 links count. When you spam blog comments, it isn't going to be successful... profile links, it takes work for you to be able to even index them, and then you look like you have a spammy link profile. Not good.

      I can manually build 20 backlinks to my site, and out rank others who have thousands.

      I have high paying clients, I'm not going to jeopardize their company reputation by building spam links. Don't even try to argue that it isn't spam, because it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author volaer
    Originally Posted by jtgjustin View Post

    It has always confused me why someone would do link building manually, is there something I'm missing out on? What type of manual link building is benefitial?

    Profile links - automated
    Blog comments - automated
    Web 2.0 - automated
    Bookmarks - automated
    Article marketing - automated

    Anyone who does those manually clearly has too much time on their hands :p So what manual link building method can't be automated? (and has value)

    If you are talking about Article Marketing for TOP Article sites such as Ezine Articles, Ezine Mark, etc... and comments that does sends traffic and clicks, nothing beats the manual.

    WHY???

    Simply because these REAL DEAL sites hates spamming, and they maintain their reputation of having a higher Google PR.

    The only thing that I do automatically is when I use Blog Blueprint and the Unique article wizard.

    I strongly advise though that you use manual method if you are building your core solid backlinks. Use the automatic methods for secondary layer of your links.
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  • Profile picture of the author volaer
    This is my theory... Having a solid 20 backlinks from high authority sites, beats 50 backlinks from crappy sites. Worst, if those sites will be banned by Google for spamming.
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  • Profile picture of the author corsleymaxwell
    Links that are manually done for me are very reliable compared to those built by software. Manual link building for me is still the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author tessa
    Originally Posted by jtgjustin View Post


    Profile links - automated
    Blog comments - automated
    Web 2.0 - automated
    Bookmarks - automated
    Article marketing - automated
    Yes, quality backlinks can be obtained only via manual liknbuilding. And especially in-case of blog comments you should go for manual commenting.

    Manual blog commenting will not only gives you the good backlinks but also it has used to build network with your niche related peoples.
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  • Profile picture of the author jack jastin
    Google always gives preferences to natural and original contents and post or what ever the case may be. So mannual link building practice will always help you very much in this regard.
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  • Profile picture of the author diyakapoor
    With software you can't approach high quality links. So, if you are looking for fast results, then perform quality link building i.e. manual process. I never prefer any automated method for link building.
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    • Profile picture of the author BaltimoreDave
      So far, I've been doing all of my link building manually and I'm ranking pretty high for one of my sites. My plan is to build several more sites. Then, write articles for each site on squidoo, ezine, etc.. I'll, also, comment on a few blogs manually then out source the rest. Lately, I've been hearing so much about scrapebox and AMR. Does anyone make much money without these automated services?
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  • Profile picture of the author rain21
    I think its not a problem manual or auto as long as they look natural. For SEO most important is quality of back links, not the quantity as I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author kitchenssimply
    Link building is a huge part of the promotion you ought to do to promote your net site. Well as with any type of promotion there's various things to think about & ways that you can set about link building to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author InitialEffort
    Sometimes there are pages that you can't build to with software.
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  • Profile picture of the author AgentHomes
    When I get spammy automated comments showing up on my blog I just delete them. As a blog owner you cannot let the spam posts stay if you want to maintain a quality blog.

    Of course after awhile you start to see all the spam posts again. I do wonder why people waste their time trying to get links with low quality content.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarksWineClub
      Originally Posted by AgentHomes View Post

      When I get spammy automated comments showing up on my blog I just delete them. As a blog owner you cannot let the spam posts stay if you want to maintain a quality blog.

      Of course after awhile you start to see all the spam posts again. I do wonder why people waste their time trying to get links with low quality content.
      Those folks doing that to your blog, frankly speaking don't know what they're doing. I get plenty of the same and turned off do-follow because I was sick of dealing with it.

      That being said, the goal (I don't do this, but it isn't hard to see the real plan) should be to find auto-approved blogs to use with automated tools.
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    • Profile picture of the author sonicadam123
      Originally Posted by AgentHomes View Post

      When I get spammy automated comments showing up on my blog I just delete them. As a blog owner you cannot let the spam posts stay if you want to maintain a quality blog.

      Of course after awhile you start to see all the spam posts again. I do wonder why people waste their time trying to get links with low quality content.
      I have the same problem on my blog.

      It amuses me how this is a complete waste of time for them -

      My blog comments aren't auto approve, their comments dont even relate to the post a lot of the time, and the times that they do, they normally post the identical comment on another post 10 seconds later.

      Also my site is no-follow too.

      I'm sure it's only a matter of time before more site owners wise up to this comment spam and turn auto approve off.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacked
    Manual link building does have its pros, but it is just too time intensive for me. I wouldn't mind paying for someone to build them though.

    I build out and sell 50 sites/month each month and have relied only on automated links and Web 2.0 pyramids and have been ranking my sites consistently. I usually have 100-200 sites in my fleet, selling 50 old ones and making 50 new ones each month. I am not saying that manual link building is bad or anything, it definitely has its benefits, but for most sites, you can get away with automated linking if you are smart about what you are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author infogle
    most blog comments if done automatically dont approve and also other things - as blog comments are marked spam if dont automatically.
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  • Profile picture of the author dgoodhart
    Manually submitted comments will usually make the moderator actually enable your comment.
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  • Profile picture of the author jhnbrwn
    I know everything can be automated, but machines and these programs even too, are simply stupid, it can get you in hell at any time, so in order to be in a safe band, you better stick with manual link building.. Be straight, Be confident...

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  • Profile picture of the author joejoechen
    uhm... I'm foreseeing that the effect of Web 2.0 (blog comment/profile links/forum links) link buildings are going to be reduced a lot, in Google. It seems that Google is focusing more on the Quality of your backlinks rather than Quantity, it's always been that way but Google has only started heavily implementing this recently.. I'm sure most of us are seeing the trend here.

    If you go for mass web2.0 and profile links, these links are mostly NOT INDEXED, and moreover they are of PR0... I can go out and do a couple guest posting per month from 3-5 PR4 authority/genuine blog sites and easily get the same if not better effects than spamming all over the internet.. At least that's how I'm seeing it.

    Also, if you have the money, buying links from higher PR sites DOES WORK.. The only times it doesn't work is when you get greedy, you buy a lot of links and start ranking for ultra competitive terms like "money", this will get you noticed by Google and rest assured they will most likely do a manual review on your site (POOF)..

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    • Profile picture of the author markandeysingh
      I do Manual link building because it is worthy and effective.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brendon L
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        Ummmm... okay...
        I can manually build 20 backlinks to my site, and out rank others who have thousands.

        I have high paying clients, I'm not going to jeopardize their company reputation by building spam links. Don't even try to argue that it isn't spam, because it is.
        Hi iAmNameLess, what method do you use for building backlinks?

        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        The OP has every right to think that all there is to link building is putting a link on a profile page. If I put a WSO out right now that taught people to get high authority links from webmasters I'd sell two copies when they realize they actually have to email them rather than hit a button.

        I'll prove it. I had a thread here giving away FREE high PR contextual links if they post an article and after two weeks I had less than 20 takers. If I put up a thread showing how to get 10,000 near worthless links It will be at page 3 by Friday.
        Hi Mike, Is this the thread you were referring to? It says at the top of your thread that the offer is now closed. Able to make an exception for some one who is prepared to work for decent links?

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  • Profile picture of the author msb1040
    Hey i have a question, If you are creating links through creating profiles on forums, but not commenting, just creating the profiles with links in them, how do you get these links indexed? Thanks
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