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Backlink tip for newbies - like me!

by SH_Design
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Just something I have found useful, hopefully some of you newbies like me will find it helpful too. I need backlinks so to find places to submit my site I typically type in google :

intitle:"submit.your.site.free" and other variations to find pages that allow free link submission. I have found multiple great sites with decent PR that allow this.

And never forget the link exchange part of this forum, someone there whose name I cannot remember has a whole host of sites free to post your link. (Thank you btw)
#backlink #newbies #tip
  • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
    google calls those sites "link farms" usually, bad news

    Link farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    you don't want your links in those intitle:"submit.your.site.free" if you can avoid it
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Evans
      Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter View Post

      google calls those sites "link farms" usually, bad news

      Link farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      you don't want your links in those intitle:"submit.your.site.free" if you can avoid it
      Oh really!?!

      So if I want to get my competitor's site trashed I just have to submit it to all the intitle:"submit.your.site.free" sites I can find?

      I don't think it works that way...

      Directories and reciprocal links pages are not link farms.

      A link farm is a group of sites you have built which you use to link to your money sites. The more sites you have in your link farm, the more incoming links your money site gets which helps it to rank higher in the search engines. That is the reason they are disliked by the search engines.
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      • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
        Originally Posted by Colin Evans View Post

        Oh really!?!

        So if I want to get my competitor's site trashed I just have to submit it to all the intitle:"submit.your.site.free" sites I can find?

        I don't think it works that way...
        ummm, yes it does work that way, google says so themselves, not me, not any warrior, but google themselves

        Link schemes - Webmaster Help Center

        I quote:

        Your site's ranking in Google search results is partly based on analysis of those sites that link to you. The quantity, quality, and relevance of links count towards your rating.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
          Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter View Post

          ummm, yes it does work that way, google says so themselves, not me, not any warrior, but google themselves

          Link schemes - Webmaster Help Center

          I quote:
          Your site's ranking in Google search results is partly based on analysis of those sites that link to you. The quantity, quality, and relevance of links count towards your rating.
          This tells us that google analyse the pages that link to you but doesn't tell you whether there is any penalty associated with "bad" links. Its widely believed that there isn't because otherwise you could do anti-SEO on your competitors by getting "bad" links for them.
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          • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
            Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

            This tells us that google analyse the pages that link to you but doesn't tell you whether there is any penalty associated with "bad" links. Its widely believed that there isn't because otherwise you could do anti-SEO on your competitors by getting "bad" links for them.
            Dude, it says it plain as day and black and white what your ranking is BASED on.

            If your site has quality links also then "anti-seo" will be hard

            if your site only has junky backlinks (like this post suggested you get) then look out, you are wide open to sink yourself or have a competitor sink you

            once again, these aren't my rules or guesses, google says it in black and white.
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            • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
              Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter View Post

              Dude, it says it plain as day and black and white what your ranking is BASED on.

              If your site has quality links also then "anti-seo" will be hard

              if your site only has junky backlinks (like this post suggested you get) then look out, you are wide open to sink yourself or have a competitor sink you

              once again, these aren't my rules or guesses, google says it in black and white.
              No where in that description does it say how the analysis works. We have no way of knowing whether "bad" links count against you or not.

              They could count "bad" links against you, they could discount them or do something else entirely. All we know is that they analyse the pages in some way.
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              • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
                Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

                No where in that description does it say how the analysis works. We have no way of knowing whether "bad" links count against you or not.

                They could count "bad" links against you, they could discount them or do something else entirely. All we know is that they analyse the pages in some way.
                c'mon man, at least read the article on google's site before you comment

                I quote again, from GOOGLE, in GOOGLE's words

                This is in violation of Google's webmaster guidelines and can negatively impact your site's ranking in search results. Examples of link schemes can include:
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                • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
                  Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter View Post

                  c'mon man, at least read the article on google's site before you comment

                  I quote again, from GOOGLE, in GOOGLE's words
                  This is in violation of Google's webmaster guidelines and can negatively impact your site's ranking in search results. Examples of link schemes can include:
                  The phrase "can negatively impact your site's ranking" is still pretty vague.

                  But I'm arguing semantics rather than the point and I'm sorry for that.

                  I agree with you 100%. At best these sorts of links are not worth having and at worst they are damaging your search rankings.

                  Invest your time (and money) in getting decent quality backlinks, from decent quality sites. Don't waste your time on "submit your site free" type stuff
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  • Profile picture of the author SH_Design
    Well, I know what you mean from those link farms, but I have found sites with content(aka real sites) with reasonable page rank and very few links on them. So I would be hesitant to call them link farms. But I know what you mean...
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    Obviously no one knows for sure but its very unlikely that bad backlinks hurt your site unless they are the *only* backlinks you have.

    On the other hand you're better off investing the time and money to get good ones rather than a load of linkfarm links that don't count for much/anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacstone193
    thanks again for all this info guys
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  • Profile picture of the author charless61
    So what is the best way for a newbie to build back links then?
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    • Profile picture of the author digitalproductreporter
      Originally Posted by charless61 View Post

      So what is the best way for a newbie to build back links then?
      once again quoting google from the same article

      The best way to get other sites to create relevant links to yours is to create unique, relevant content that can quickly gain popularity in the Internet community.
      it works like dyanamite, if you can get those links it doesn't matter what google does, you will get traffic, google rankings will follow
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      • Profile picture of the author IowaGal
        digitalproductreporter is right about getting links from these FFA (free for all) sites.

        I'd hate for you to do something that would negatively impact your website in any way.

        It's unlikely that ALL of the sites are bad, however, as was mentioned before, any time you see a web page titled with something like "links for free", "get a free link", etc., Google knows exactly what that site is doing because the site is flat-out telling them "Hey! I'm a web page that will take any and all links".

        Not a neighborhood I would personally associate one of my websites with. There are so many quality ways of getting links for free.

        • Create a Squidoo Page
        • Create a Hubpage
        • Submit your RSS blog feed to RSS directories
        • Add your content on sites like Scribd.com
        • Create a few videos - upload them to video sites.
        There's literally tons of ways to get links to your site without bottom-feeding at these FFA sites.

        Best of luck to you.

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        • Profile picture of the author Colin Evans
          Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter View Post

          if your site only has junky backlinks (like this post suggested you get) then look out, you are wide open to sink yourself or have a competitor sink you
          Which reply on this post suggests getting junk links?

          Your reply to searching in Google for intitle:"submit.your.site.free" and submitting to any of those sites was "google calls those sites 'link farms' usually, bad news."

          I replied saying "Directories and reciprocal links pages are not link farms."

          I then went on to explain what a link farm is. BTW building tons of little sites on third party sites like squidoo, hubpages, weebly etc for the sole purpose of linking back to your main site is link farming.

          The idea of searching Google using intitle:"submit.your.site.free" is a great way for finding directories and reciprocal link pages... and these are not junk links (reciprocal linking if done correctly is one of the most stable methods of getting traffic to a website, and has nothing to do with SEO).

          I disagree that "you are wide open to sink yourself or have a competitor sink you" - if it were that easy, it would done regularly. Not that it can't be done...

          Originally Posted by IowaGal View Post

          digitalproductreporter is right about getting links from these FFA (free for all) sites.
          Where did FFA links get dragged into all of this?

          For the record, I agree FFA pages are not the place to get a link from.

          But while we're on this subject, can you tell me what the difference is between submitting your site to FFA sites and submitting your site to loads of social bookmarking sites?

          I ask because the current "advice" is to use social bookmarking submitters to submit your pages to all the social bookmarking sites you can find. IMO there's not a lot of difference between a FFA site and some social bookmarking sites especially those driven by ScuttlePlus...


          Originally Posted by IowaGal View Post

          • Create a Squidoo Page
          • Create a Hubpage
          • Submit your RSS blog feed to RSS directories
          • Add your content on sites like Scribd.com
          • Create a few videos - upload them to video sites.
          There's literally tons of ways to get links to your site without bottom-feeding at these FFA sites.
          I mentioned earlier that using third party sites like squidoo, hubpages etc for the sole purpose of linking to your main site is link farming (and we know what the search engines think of that).

          Your third party sites need to be able to stand on their own as individual sites and not appear to be propping up your main site.
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          • Profile picture of the author IowaGal
            Originally Posted by Colin Evans View Post

            Which reply on this post suggests getting junk links?

            Your reply to searching in Google for intitle:"submit.your.site.free" and submitting to any of those sites was "google calls those sites 'link farms' usually, bad news."

            I replied saying "Directories and reciprocal links pages are not link farms."

            I then went on to explain what a link farm is. BTW building tons of little sites on third party sites like squidoo, hubpages, weebly etc for the sole purpose of linking back to your main site is link farming.

            The idea of searching Google using intitle:"submit.your.site.free" is a great way for finding directories and reciprocal link pages... and these are not junk links (reciprocal linking if done correctly is one of the most stable methods of getting traffic to a website, and has nothing to do with SEO).

            I disagree that "you are wide open to sink yourself or have a competitor sink you" - if it were that easy, it would done regularly. Not that it can't be done...



            Where did FFA links get dragged into all of this?

            For the record, I agree FFA pages are not the place to get a link from.

            But while we're on this subject, can you tell me what the difference is between submitting your site to FFA sites and submitting your site to loads of social bookmarking sites?

            I ask because the current "advice" is to use social bookmarking submitters to submit your pages to all the social bookmarking sites you can find. IMO there's not a lot of difference between a FFA site and some social bookmarking sites especially those driven by ScuttlePlus...




            I mentioned earlier that using third party sites like squidoo, hubpages etc for the sole purpose of linking to your main site is link farming (and we know what the search engines think of that).

            Your third party sites need to be able to stand on their own as individual sites and not appear to be propping up your main site.
            Honestly Colin -
            Are you really here to help or are you just having fun pointing out that everyone else is wrong here but you?

            A FFA (free for all) link is a link that is "free for all" also known as "submit your site for free".

            Building sites using social networking and bookmarking spots is not "link farming" unless you do it for the sole purpose of gaining a link and not providing any real content.

            If what you say were actually true then places like site directories, article directories, RSS directories, etc. are all "link farms".

            According to your logic, reciprocal linking seems to be the only thing worthy of generating traffic for your site.

            Actually, and this is based on years and years of experience I might add, reciprocal linking is NOT the best way to go about linking your site and getting it noticed in a favorable light in the search engines.

            But, you're entitled to your opinions and if that kind of stuff is working for you, then great.

            I, on the other hand, will stick with what's worked for me in the past years which is NOT linking to FFA (free for all sites) a.k.a. sites that allow any and all kinds of links.
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            • Profile picture of the author Colin Evans
              Originally Posted by IowaGal View Post

              A FFA (free for all) link is a link that is "free for all" also known as "submit your site for free".
              I'm not arguing with you, I said:

              Originally Posted by Colin Evans View Post

              The idea of searching Google using intitle:"submit.your.site.free" is a great way for finding directories and reciprocal link pages...
              I never once mentioned anything about getting FFA links other than my original argument with the OP about these kind of sites being an easy way to trash a competitors site - which they are not...

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              Originally Posted by IowaGal View Post

              Building sites using social networking and bookmarking spots is not "link farming" unless you do it for the sole purpose of gaining a link and not providing any real content.
              How can I be arguing with you when I said:

              Originally Posted by Colin Evans View Post

              building tons of little sites on third party sites like squidoo, hubpages, weebly etc for the sole purpose of linking back to your main site is link farming...

              Your third party sites need to be able to stand on their own as individual sites and not appear to be propping up your main site.
              I added the underline to emphasize what I said previously...

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              Originally Posted by IowaGal View Post

              If what you say were actually true then places like site directories, article directories, RSS directories, etc. are all "link farms".
              If I'm arguing with you, I wouldn't have said:

              Originally Posted by Colin Evans View Post

              Directories and reciprocal links pages are not link farms.
              - Actually I've said that twice now...

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              Originally Posted by IowaGal View Post

              According to your logic, reciprocal linking seems to be the only thing worthy of generating traffic for your site.

              Actually, and this is based on years and years of experience I might add, reciprocal linking is NOT the best way to go about linking your site and getting it noticed in a favorable light in the search engines.
              I never said reciprocal linking was the only worthy method. I said:

              Originally Posted by Colin Evans View Post

              reciprocal linking if done correctly is one of the most stable methods of getting traffic to a website, and has nothing to do with SEO
              Of all the traffic generating methods I've used over the last seven years, reciprocal linking is hands down the most reliable - Every single reciprocal link has, does and will continue to generate traffic for years to come (for as long as the reciprocal website continues to get traffic).

              My reciprocal linking is not about SEO (in this instance the search engines can go screw themselves) - this is about swapping links for traffic.

              I wish the other methods were as reliable because they are a lot easier to do...

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              Originally Posted by IowaGal View Post

              I, on the other hand, will stick with what's worked for me in the past years which is NOT linking to FFA (free for all sites) a.k.a. sites that allow any and all kinds of links.
              There you go again about FFA sites - I never once said they were worthwhile - in fact I said:

              Originally Posted by Colin Evans View Post

              For the record, I agree FFA pages are not the place to get a link from
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              My only other big gripe was about the social bookmarking sites powered by ScuttlePlus being very similar to FFA sites, judging by other marketers comments, it's 'ok' to post to these... My recent testing seems to indicate otherwise - the the SE's don't like them either.
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              • Profile picture of the author strauss
                Back links are essential because search engine's auto pilot programs are looking into these back links on anyone's site that basically adds up to the ranking of the site that contain the back link. This is the reason why webmasters and business site owners are making ways on how to achieve back links on their site because it allows for their sites to obtain better and higher ranking from the search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author wealthmaker2008
    I agree, I wouldnt go risking my sites ratings over trying to link up with these "free" link sites that you know nothing about. My advise is build good pr yourself. Heres some good sites, onlywire.com, digg.com promote everyblog intry,redit.com (same) social networking sites and other blog sites. That is the best way to get your site indexed and then build links or "traffic".
    hope this helps
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