10k backlinks in a week, good or bad

13 years ago

Those are for profile links, and 99.99% of those services don't get them indexed...

so of the 5,000 profile links, you're likely to get around 250-500 indexed... over time some more MIGHT get indexed... probably not many though.

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zerofill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Victor Edson

Those are for profile links, and 99.99% of those services don't get them indexed...

so of the 5,000 profile links, you're likely to get around 250-500 indexed... over time some more MIGHT get indexed... probably not many though.

This is not being negative towards you so don't take it that way...

But people that sit there and use things like Yahoo Site Explorer... what it shows doesn't mean jack on how many links are actually seen...

You want to know how to prove it?

Do something you know you will find in results on Google that nothing else would ever be targeting. For instance I did a very odd email address as both my URL and my anchor text etc...

I did one to prove a point to someone not long ago.

This is why I don't care about yahoo or backlink watch or any other stupid backlink checker...

Do what I say and in the website field and for anchor text use an odd email address...

Wait about 3 days and type in that email address and tell me how many links you see in Google lol...

Another thing that no one ever listens to me about F$%# Yahoo Site Explorer... and everything else that tells you how many backlinks you have.

Do what I just said...

Then next time you do profile links or anything like that worry about your serp position not what yahoo says.

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moneymoguls

13 years ago

10K backlinks in a week is bad and those WSO's don't work. Xrumer blasts are poor too. I've tried them.

Stick to good quality backlinks and start small...around 100 or so per month.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by moneymoguls

10K backlinks in a week is bad and those WSO's don't work. Xrumer blasts are poor too. I've tried them.

Stick to good quality backlinks and start small...around 100 or so per month.

I tried a popular backlink subscription site that is very popular here and got 25 PR7-9 sites. 6 months later, none of the links even show as backlinks in G.

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shinsawa

13 years ago

That number of links (5000) won't get indexed all in short period of time.

IMO, it's ok if you build 5000 links all at once (with X-rumer for example) but then if you ping them all, or do some kind like metaindexing or use energizer, or linklicious etc all that links in short period of time, that will hurt your site

Using some backlink indexer tool is great, but you must use it wise

That's my 2 cents ,

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photodrew 13 years ago

As the others have said, I agree that that many backlinks won't be registered in a week, But I think the 200 number is a bit conservative, and even if that is right, for a newer site, that's quite a few.

Given the recent crackdowns and the likelihood that the monitors on the webspam team are a bit sensitive these days, I wouldn't risk it. Once you get slapped it's hard to get unslapped. Better to stay under the radar.
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photodrew 13 years ago

As the others have said, I agree that that many backlinks won't be registered in a week, But I think the 200 number is a bit conservative, and even if that is right, for a newer site, that's quite a few.

Given the recent crackdowns and the likelihood that the monitors on the webspam team are a bit sensitive these days, I wouldn't risk it. Once you get slapped it's hard to get unslapped. Better to stay under the radar.
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moneymoguls

13 years ago

Originally Posted by shinsawa

That number of links (5000) won't get indexed all in short period of time.

IMO, it's ok if you build 5000 links all at once (with X-rumer for example) but then if you ping them all, or do some kind like metaindexing or use energizer, or linklicious etc all that links in short period of time, that will hurt your site

Using some backlink indexer tool is great, but you must use it wise

That's my 2 cents ,

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Well... I have done this and know it is does not work.

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corsleymaxwell

13 years ago

Personally I am not favor of having that so many backlinks in a week. You will just hurt your site with that. I am sure Google will not tolerate it.

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jazbo 13 years ago

This is total opinion based on what facts? The simple fact is Google will takes weeks if not months to find all the links from a single 10K blast of linkbuilding. So how will it hurt exactly?

Originally Posted by corsleymaxwell

Personally I am not favor of having that so many backlinks in a week. You will just hurt your site with that. I am sure Google will not tolerate it.
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gie grace

13 years ago

Backlinks are powerful tools to help build your page rank and ultimately land on google's first page. Surely, there are a LOT of SEO backlinking services being offered in the forum coz they DO work..

However, there are 2 sides to that matter. The amount of backlinks and the quality of backlinks. I believe Google takes a look at those 2 factors as well.

And you are correct about naturally growing number of backlinks, otherwise your site might look spammy to Google.

However, loads of backlinks in one go (10K in a week), may work well for a short period of time, but it won't in the long run.

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jazbo

13 years ago

I just built, pinged and RSS'd 50K profile links for a site less than a month old. And I did 5K blog comment links, and 1K directory submissons, and hundreds of bookmarks.

Will it benefit the site. Yep.

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Robster0880 13 years ago

if you are going to build that many you should be consistent. Google analyze your link velocity. Quantity doesn't matter if your site gets the same quantity in a consistent basis. This is why you should be moderate rather than aggressive on the number of backlinks
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App Developers

13 years ago

Yeah, what they said! No really I have no idea what is or isn't to much. Only google truly knows that answer. Also, what I don't understand how is it natural to get the same or about the same amount of links every day?? I don't get that. to me it appears more natural to get different amounts of links on different days. I mean does it really appear natural to get 50k links every single day? I honestly don't get this part of it.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by jazbo

This is total opinion based on what facts? The simple fact is Google will takes weeks if not months to find all the links from a single 10K blast of linkbuilding. So how will it hurt exactly?

Exactly.

Originally Posted by App Developers

Yeah, what they said! No really I have no idea what is or isn't to much. Only google truly knows that answer. Also, what I don't understand how is it natural to get the same or about the same amount of links every day?? I don't get that. to me it appears more natural to get different amounts of links on different days. I mean does it really appear natural to get 50k links every single day? I honestly don't get this part of it.

Google does not see your links instantaneously. From a normal 10k blast of profiles, usually only 60 will be found in the first week by google. Does that seem like way to much to you?

I use Xrumer blasts as part of my backlink portfolio, mixed with tons of other types of links, but I have seen many of my sites rank and stay ranked just on profile links alone.

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nijel

13 years ago

Quality backlinks counts...

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eunice84354

13 years ago

back links is good for page rank..but you should done it for quality not quantity..

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yeshuaisiam

13 years ago

I may be wrong, but I really believe that the search engines are getting very smart. They want "natural growth". 5K one week, then a couple links, then 2 months later 4k more links isn't going to cut it.

One link works to two links, then to three. etc.

Sometimes there is an explosion of links and that is fine, so long as the links continue.

This is all my opinion. They do this to avoid "spammer links", bots, etc.

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zerofill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by yeshuaisiam

I may be wrong, but I really believe that the search engines are getting very smart. They want "natural growth". 5K one week, then a couple links, then 2 months later 4k more links isn't going to cut it.

No your not wrong at all... you have to stay consistent. You don't throw 10k one day and walk away... that is where everyone screws up.

If your building 1k links a day keep building 500 - 1k links a day for a good period of time.

Especially when it is profile links. We don't force the indexing of those and if anyone tries my little test above you will see why. There is no reason to...

Now we often do get them seen faster just because of the things we do with other tools on those same links but it isn't like we are out there using some booster program to try and get the search engines to see every link at once.

The thing is gaming a search engine isn't black hat... even though some people seem to think it is for whatever reason.

Search engines are just another piece of programming... They will always be able to be gamed unless they turned to human only review period and that would take way more resources then it is worth.

Just like that big "farmer update" as everyone likes to call it now.

It may have had an effect on like .005% of stuff we have out there. Yeah some articles got buried etc... Our regular sites didn't take a hit at all. I am also pretty sure they rolled some of that update back quietly like they have done in the past. (Like when exact match domains didn't work anymore and then next thing you know they rocked again)

We keep going forward just like we always have... business as usual.

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13 years ago

It depends on the situation of your website. If you have a website with thousands of backlinks, you can add some thousands to it in a short time and it can help you too but for website with a few number of backlinks, it can hurt their rankings. And also it depends on the quality of sites you get backlinks from too.

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owenlee 13 years ago

My point of view is that it depends on the niche that you are in..For example in the make money niche, i would say all this backlinks are near to useless..Rather spent the money creating content that sticks to the web..and that is long term..
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harro1

13 years ago

It's not bad unless links come from really poor content and low quality websites.

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Gerald Arno

Banned 13 years ago

Not all of the 5000 are going to stick for sure. It depends on how the service builds the backlinks. Most profile backlinks and blog comments are going into the spam filter right away. That´s how it is with blog comments. The admin will VERY LIKELY not even approve spam comments with one sentence and no real sense. That means that 80 - 90 % of the blog comments are never going to show up.

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13 years ago

I think it depends on the site you are building it to. If it static site it might hurt, if it social site you won't have any problem (assuming the links are indexed within a week) as any breaking news on social site can have back links beyond what you outlined.

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jonnyhardbaked

13 years ago

Getting backlinks as much as you can will not harm your site. So as with 5k links because they will not get index all at the same time.

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Justinpage

13 years ago

As they said, not all 5000 backlinks are going to get indexed. So it means that it will not harm your site in getting thousands of backlinks.

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Chris Sorrell 13 years ago

Geez, anyone wanting to know why most people fail at seo should read this thread. 'It's gotta look natural', 'start off slow' etc, 'don't have too many link'. I'm off to tell the guys who are ranking on the first page of google for 'viagra' and 'secured loans' that they've got too many links and it doesn't look natural. lol
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Gustaf

13 years ago

10k backlinks for new websites - is a perdition but for website existing a long period of time and already having a lot of links - is a norm. Want to notice that it's important where are links from. Google isn't happy to thousands of links from one server, one IP or other doubtful resources.

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mamu 13 years ago

it is a matter of indexation rate.blast backlink will not hurt you unless they get indexed too quick.that is my opinion
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crismanaon

13 years ago

I think if you add 5k back link in once time than it is not harm full cause every links is not indexes in one time.

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businesswarrior121

13 years ago

if those 5000 backlinks come from good high page rank site then it is good to have those backlinks. but keep them away from spam.

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Andy Kobe 13 years ago

Bad, unless there was a major news story broken about your site,
or it was on Oprah
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sandramorales

13 years ago

It's bad buddy,It gonna harm your site

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musicaltouch

13 years ago

Think of back links like dining. You would put a bunch of SHOOSTER down the hatch if it was not very good. the same with back linking. It is all about quality. Make sure you get a good link, not alot... 10K backlinks has it's place, just not the main money site... Maybe say to support a feeder site at an Authority site like you tube or word press...

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Chris Sweeney

13 years ago

Originally Posted by shinsawa

That number of links (5000) won't get indexed all in short period of time.

IMO, it's ok if you build 5000 links all at once (with X-rumer for example) but then if you ping them all, or do some kind like metaindexing or use energizer, or linklicious etc all that links in short period of time, that will hurt your site

Using some backlink indexer tool is great, but you must use it wise

That's my 2 cents ,

Shin

Ditto on that. I recently took about 20,000 of my live backlinks from Article Marketing Robot and ran them through Linklicious, and the next day, all the sites whose links I ran through Linklicious dropped to the crapper in the SERPs. Now I know the massive influx of links probably isn't going to harm my site in the long term, and I'm sure the sites will come back just as good, if not better, than they were before. But my sites still haven't come back after two weeks, so we'll see what happens. I'll still get 10k xrumer blasts from fiverr and other stuff like that, but I think I'll use the scheduler next time when I ping to get them crawled/indexed more steadily and avoid any such dance.

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lukemeister

13 years ago

Yeah I don't get all this talk about what's natural. I would say "natural" in terms of SEO should more indicate no sort of recognizable pattern at all, rather than the slow and steady that is so popularly rallied around.

Let's look at it this way. Let's say I put up a new site about Dogs, just for the sake of an example.

I don't try to manually build any links at all.

Maybe a coworker writes something on their blog about a cute picture that is on one of my pages and links to it. Then maybe within the next week it goes viral and suddenly thousands of sites and forums are linking to the picture. Then the buzz dies, nobody is linking to my page with the cute dog picture anymore.

I still don't do any manual link building.

But whoops. I just garnered (accidentally) several thousands links over the course of a week. But that's not natural?

I don't know just rambling here.... but I don't believe that "natural = consistent"

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masterjani

13 years ago

Create backlinks consistently creating some 5000 in one week and no backlinks creation in another two weeks will give you a dancing position,so create backlinks continuosly with little amount say 300 per week is good.

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Empress_Of_Drac

13 years ago

Originally Posted by One Inch Punch

I think I'm missing something about backlinks. I've always known the big G likes sites that have natural growth, including natural backlink growth.

But I see lots of WSO's, etc. to get 5,000 backlinks, or more and I can't believe they would stay in business if it doesn't work.

So is it good or bad?

Considering the Panda algorithm, I'm pretty sure your site will lose ranking if you will do link-building that fast.

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Bradley J Anderson 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Empress_Of_Drac

Considering the Panda algorithm, I'm pretty sure your site will lose ranking if you will do link-building that fast.

Could you elaborate on this, please? Which parts of the Panda algorithm are you referring to? Is there a particular number of backlinks the OP should be doing each week to keep him in line with the new algorithm?
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markowe

13 years ago

What an incredible amount of misinformation, conjecture and folk wisdom there is in this thread. I hope some of you are my competition

I bet the Cuttster is cackling uncontrollably into his Ovaltine reading this stuff. He never thought he'd get so much mileage out of "Panda", if there even was such a thing. Backlinks?! Link velocity?!

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ZaneZenMaster

13 years ago

A week is alright, but nowhere near 10k would be indexed anytime soon after...
Unless you do allot of RSS, Bookmarking, Pinging and submitting the links to articles..

So yea, it can be good.
When Submitting these links though, if they're high quality social network, or article directory backlinks, then Spam can be suspected if not done correctly.

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Resultz

13 years ago

It depends on your site, aged domains can take hits better than brand new ones. It also depends on if they get pinged or not. Google doesn't know what Google doesnt see.

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seoforu

13 years ago

If you can follow it with 15k backlinks for the second week then its good and if you follow it with 2k backlinks for the second week..then its bad.I mean to say...your site should keep going popular and popular.

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nicktyler

13 years ago

Many good backlinks = good regardless of the number Many spammy backlinks from the wrong places or all from the same place = bad. The massive quantity implies that the links are likley to be automated and bad quality. But not necessarily.

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logoonlinepros1

13 years ago

Getting to much backlinks in just one week is very harmful for your site and may be its possible that google penalize your site and put it on there sandbox.

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Dmreed4311

13 years ago

Originally Posted by logoonlinepros1

Getting to much backlinks in just one week is very harmful for your site and may be its possible that google penalize your site and put it on there sandbox.

I find this hard to believe, if this is true then why dont we all blast our competition with a million backlinks and get them in the sandbox.

Common sence tells me too many links at once might not help but it cant hurt you, other wise we would all be at war with each other blasting spam links at our competition.

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Matt Broody

13 years ago

you need to carry more about quality not quantity and also build your backlinks in natural way for Google: better to make some average count of backlinks each day than 1000 today and 0 tomorrow

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eguynth

13 years ago

its safe till google index them all once, which it doesn't. like others have mentioned above, just dont ping them all once.

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Gadi

13 years ago

Links that are that easy to get aren't worth anything. Concentrate on trying to get one or two links that are difficult to acquire and you'll do much better. All of your competitors can take the same "short-cuts" but very few will work hard to get a handful of high quality links. Most SEO experts will agree that Google mostly ranks quality over quantity.

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13 years ago

10k backlinks in a week is bad i already try this my site is sandbox with specific keyword

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dagaul101

13 years ago

It depends on the nature of the backlinks, and if it's from sites that have a good reputation and high PR, if it's from PR 0 sites then it would come as no surprise if the sites being promoted get sandboxed

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racheltom

13 years ago

well extensive back linking can penalize your website. its better you should slow it down. less links but quality links matters the most do article writing, blog commenting and guest blogging.

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TheProdigy

13 years ago

The more domain authority you have the more link velocity(and lower quality of links) you can afford.

That said, most of those link blast WSO's are garbage anyways...focus on building high quality contextual links and you'll be amazed at how powerful they are. 1 really good link is worth 100,000 crappy links any day.