Does Google Think Your Site is Fast?

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Google webmaster keeps telling me that my website is slow at a loading time of 5.2 secs.

I see the 20th percentile recommended speed is below 1.5 sec

I have tried adding cache plugins like WP Super Cache and following the recommended settings. I have also compressed images but still cant get close to the elusive 2 sec mark.

Is there something you use as a norm on your site to increase page load times and does google webmaster stats show google thinks your fast?
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Denton
    Maybe it has something to do with your webhost. I am not an expert in this area, but I do think the hosting account surely contributes to this.
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    • Profile picture of the author frans4u
      Originally Posted by Next6 View Post

      Maybe it has something to do with your webhost. I am not an expert in this area, but I do think the hosting account surely contributes to this.
      I agree check your web host, and I suggest try to reduce putting images.
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  • Profile picture of the author StoneWilson
    After remove those flash and script contents on my blog(instead of them with text links), it's getting much faster than before. So try to make the whole website's program simple, don't add too many codes, especially iframe.
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  • Profile picture of the author ocvseo
    Originally Posted by TotalGaz View Post

    Google webmaster keeps telling me that my website is slow at a loading time of 5.2 secs.

    I see the 20th percentile recommended speed is below 1.5 sec

    I have tried adding cache plugins like WP Super Cache and following the recommended settings. I have also compressed images but still cant get close to the elusive 2 sec mark.

    Is there something you use as a norm on your site to increase page load times and does google webmaster stats show google thinks your fast?
    Hosting server bandwidth maybe causing the slowdown, try to increase the bandwidth allocation on your host.
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  • Profile picture of the author rauff
    i think this part is goes to hosting section
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  • Profile picture of the author TotalGaz
    Thanks everyone. I'm going to be chatting to my hosting company about speed options with their servers. On a shared server with a business plan from 34sp.com in the UK. I need a UK hosting company for my target market.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    Many time this will happen.Speed is definitely bandwidth problem.But one more thing deactivate all plugins and check whether that works well.
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    • Profile picture of the author TotalGaz
      Originally Posted by masterjani View Post

      Many time this will happen.Speed is definitely bandwidth problem.But one more thing deactivate all plugins and check whether that works well.
      How many wordpress plugins do you have active? I use the following 13:
      1. Akismet
      2. Disqus Comment System
      3. Fast Secure Contact Form
      4. Feedburner Feedsmith
      5. Google Doc Embedder
      6. Outbrain
      7. Smart Youtube
      8. Wordpress Database Backup
      9. Wordpress Popular Posts
      10. Wordpress SEO
      11. WordTwit
      12. WP-Optimize
      13. WP-Super Cache
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      • Profile picture of the author yeshuaisiam
        Usually that is due to a web host issue... However most hosts are pretty fast so that sounds kind of weird. Perhaps the hops are far from Google itself.
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        • Profile picture of the author Blaine Moore
          Try putting CloudFlare in between you and your readers...it sped my site up a ton (and has the advantage of cutting down on spam comments quite a bit.)

          Performance, Security & Apps for Any Website | CloudFlare | Home

          Basically, it's a CDN network with datacenters around the world, so you set your nameservers to point to Cloudflare and Cloudflare will then cache your static content, (optionally) minify your CSS and javascript on the fly, and will serve your data up from somewhere close to your reader so that it won't matter as much where you are actually hosted.

          I've been using them since last November and have had a great experience so far. I'm still on their free plan but will probably upgrade to the paid version in the near future just to help support them since it's relatively cheap.
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          • Profile picture of the author TotalGaz
            Originally Posted by Blaine Moore View Post

            Try putting CloudFlare in between you and your readers...it sped my site up a ton (and has the advantage of cutting down on spam comments quite a bit.)

            Performance, Security & Apps for Any Website | CloudFlare | Home

            Basically, it's a CDN network with datacenters around the world, so you set your nameservers to point to Cloudflare and Cloudflare will then cache your static content, (optionally) minify your CSS and javascript on the fly, and will serve your data up from somewhere close to your reader so that it won't matter as much where you are actually hosted.

            I've been using them since last November and have had a great experience so far. I'm still on their free plan but will probably upgrade to the paid version in the near future just to help support them since it's relatively cheap.
            Just checked out their site there has to be a catch why it is "free".
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            • Profile picture of the author Blaine Moore
              Originally Posted by TotalGaz View Post

              Just checked out their site there has to be a catch why it is "free".
              They use a "freemium" model.

              You get the basic service for free, and you pay for the additional reporting tools, threat options, and for some of the add-on options (which they get commissions for.)

              I assume that they are doing pretty well since they've opened up at least 4 or 5 new datacenters since I've signed up with them.

              If they do start to go downhill, it's easy enough to switch my name servers back, but since right now things are running well I've been adding my sites onto them. The extra speed and control over my site is worth the cost. (None right now, although I'll probably be updating at least my main sites in the near future.)
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            • Profile picture of the author damoncloudflare
              Originally Posted by TotalGaz View Post

              Just checked out their site there has to be a catch why it is "free".
              No catch.

              -As Blaine mentioned in his post, CloudFlare operates off of a freemium model & we don't have any caps on things like bandwidth (just comply with our terms of service).
              -We plan on keeping the basic free service with the features we had in the public and private beta. Upgrading to a Pro account is entirely optional & is based on feature support (the one concern some folks may have is with SSL).

              More than happy to answer any other questions about the service...
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          • Profile picture of the author kayf
            I recently read about cloudflare -- they offer both a free and paid service.

            Originally Posted by Blaine Moore View Post

            Try putting CloudFlare in between you and your readers...it sped my site up a ton (and has the advantage of cutting down on spam comments quite a bit.)

            Performance, Security & Apps for Any Website | CloudFlare | Home

            Basically, it's a CDN network with datacenters around the world, so you set your nameservers to point to Cloudflare and Cloudflare will then cache your static content, (optionally) minify your CSS and javascript on the fly, and will serve your data up from somewhere close to your reader so that it won't matter as much where you are actually hosted.

            I've been using them since last November and have had a great experience so far. I'm still on their free plan but will probably upgrade to the paid version in the near future just to help support them since it's relatively cheap.
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      • Profile picture of the author StoneWilson
        Originally Posted by TotalGaz View Post

        How many wordpress plugins do you have active? I use the following 13:
        1. Akismet
        2. Disqus Comment System
        3. Fast Secure Contact Form
        4. Feedburner Feedsmith
        5. Google Doc Embedder
        6. Outbrain
        7. Smart Youtube
        8. Wordpress Database Backup
        9. Wordpress Popular Posts
        10. Wordpress SEO
        11. WordTwit
        12. WP-Optimize
        13. WP-Super Cache
        Won't so may plugins make your blog slow?
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        • Profile picture of the author friedman
          Originally Posted by StoneWilson View Post

          Won't so may plugins make your blog slow?
          That is nonsense, I have 30 plugins and my google page speed score is 92.

          - WP supercache with .htaccess rules
          - DBcache reloaded fix
          - do not INITIALLY minify or compress page (test this at the end if you like)
          - remove bot user agent strings from WP super cache exclusion list
          - set cache to never expire (0) if that option works for you
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  • Profile picture of the author onlineleben
    Get rid of stuff you don't need
    optimize pictures
    no flash

    and check out this thread on Yahoo Best Practices for Speeding Up Your Web Site
    about page speed
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  • Profile picture of the author dbadwal
    The more complicated the programming is the more time it takes. e.g if you use flash it takes more time to open a webpage.
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    • Profile picture of the author friedman
      Your problem is that WP super cache, on it's own, is insufficient to speed up shared hosting.

      Here is what will fix your problem:
      install the db cache reloaded fix plugin

      make sure you are telling wp super cache to cache everything possible.

      compressing pages and minification on shared hosting can cause real performance trouble.

      If you can set cache expiry times to 0, do so.

      Also, in WP super cache, remove the bot strings from the "user agents not to cache" - or google will never even see WP super cache (unless the page has been supercached, not just cached).
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  • Profile picture of the author seoviviti
    some time the images which you have added on front page may take time to open on browser. i may case the slow webpage. you can do one thing compress all the images and then use them. it will help you to improve your webpage speed.
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  • Profile picture of the author wuleinj
    I have a site hosted on a dedicated server in Hamilton Canada, I was sitting in the office in Toronto. Less than 100 KM away from my server. It took around 0.5 second to open every page. But the webmaster tools indicate the speed is around 6 seconds. As a lot of my users are from India, Philippine etc. Data was collected from chrome app as it is said on the webmaster tools page. So I agree with Blaine Moore. Have something like cloud front like the cloud service are providing is the best way to fix the problem. There is not much you can do on the server side.
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    • Profile picture of the author usta
      Same problem with my website it seems to be very fast when i check with other tools but on webmaster tools it says to be 7 sec.
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  • Profile picture of the author wuleinj
    Have give it a try. Will post a follow up comment in a month if I remember
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    From what I've been reading, Google is starting to place a pretty big emphasis on how quickly your site loads, and how free of bloat it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal dawod
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      From what I've been reading, Google is starting to place a pretty big emphasis on how quickly your site loads, and how free of bloat it is.
      I read that too, but I believe they need sometime untill this tech become available



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  • Profile picture of the author alcymart
    First you'll need Google Chrome and then you simply need to go in options and select Tools, then developer Tools. Under the Network Tab will show the elements delaying the page load. Simply go to the page you want to check and it will show whats delaying it most.

    If all the elements seem fast, like milliseconds, then you should complain to your host.

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    • Profile picture of the author Gustav
      I've had the same problem with several of my sites, all Wordpress, loading pretty slow. I tried some of the popular paid themes, switched to VPS hosting, and a myriad of other things. I found that having only 4 or 5 plugins, and changing from WP Supercache to W3 Total Cache, helped considerably. With W3 Total Cache, I was able to "fine tune" the various caching times, especially the browser caching. Sites are now registering 95 and 96 on the Google Speed Test which I assume is okay. I also may try the Cloudfare mentioned above and see if it will improve more.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Of all the WordPress caching plugins "W3 Total Cache" is by far the most efficient and best at speeding up the speed of your site (I've done quite a few tests)

    It's certainly more complex that WP Super Cache or Quick Cache, but it's worth spending a little while to fully configure it.
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  • Profile picture of the author guarino1235
    You should check your hosting. I have that problem once, then change to another hosting and worked fine since then.
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  • Profile picture of the author raven2424
    mine was a good result but i think it depends on your host a lot then your site
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    Try this tool

    websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It might be a good idea to remove some of the plugins and see if it improves, or you might change the host if its possible to see if that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author TotalGaz
    So far I have added CloudFare nameservers to the blog and I'll check the speed in 24 hours. Must say I do like the interface and some of the apps you can add to it in the dashboard.

    Just checked my page speed online and at the moment it is 86/100

    Anyone tried using this company Aptimize for increasing their website speed?
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  • Profile picture of the author WDM
    pretty much everything people are saying above are the only steps you can take to increase your site speed. Shared hosting is a big player because you are on the same server as 1000's of other sites most of the time. So if another site is very popular, they could eat up a lot of bandwidth and server processing time. Like everyone else has said, keep things like scripts and flash to a minimum because it takes time to load each of those and just puts more of a strain on the server & the viewer.
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  • Profile picture of the author kimseo
    Originally Posted by TotalGaz View Post

    Google webmaster keeps telling me that my website is slow at a loading time of 5.2 secs.

    I see the 20th percentile recommended speed is below 1.5 sec

    I have tried adding cache plugins like WP Super Cache and following the recommended settings. I have also compressed images but still cant get close to the elusive 2 sec mark.

    Is there something you use as a norm on your site to increase page load times and does google webmaster stats show google thinks your fast?
    It night me web host or number of external objects
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    There is a ****load you can do to speed up sites, it is indeed a topic some could spend weeks or months even.

    A) Optimization of your Sites
    B) Optimization of your Server

    Let's just talk about A) (B is incredible complex )....but the first thing is to use W3 Total Cache plugin and use a CDN (like MaxCDN) trying to offload requests.

    The rest is tweaking on server level.
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  • Profile picture of the author lespritb
    Yes of course I think plugin has some problem and reduce image size also and after all contact you hosting company there also may be problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
    get that fixed asap. Imagine how much readership you lose from a slow page daily.
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  • Profile picture of the author TotalGaz
    damoncloudflare just had cloudflare installed for first 24 hours on free package. DNS check says worldwide servers pointing to cloudflare. Adsense working no probs on site with clicks coming through.

    Very interesting to see threat control panel pick up 10 threats yesterday. Love the interface [see attached pic] So I had some "web spammer", "botnet zombie", "exploit attacker" all blocked.

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  • Profile picture of the author Zara Marie
    I'm not an expert on this topic but you may want to read further about page load time on Google Webmaster Blog. The blog URL is googlewebmastercentral(.) blogspot (.)com/2010/04/using-site-speed-in-web-search-ranking (.) html. I can't post the URL here so I separated it. You can ask questions directly to them if you're not satisfied with the answers on this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author TotalGaz
      Originally Posted by Zara Marie View Post

      I'm not an expert on this topic but you may want to read further about page load time on Google Webmaster Blog. The blog URL is googlewebmastercentral(.) blogspot (.)com/2010/04/using-site-speed-in-web-search-ranking (.) html. I can't post the URL here so I separated it. You can ask questions directly to them if you're not satisfied with the answers on this thread.
      Thanks Zara, I see your Google Webmaster Central link recommend testing site speed using WebPageTest.org

      I have been using tools.pingdom.com but like the graphic display webpagetest gives you. I tested the the page Google Webmaster Tools sees as the slowest on my blog and the results were:
      1. First View - 6.171s
      2. Repeat View - 4.679s

      Still got some work to do to get to 2 sec load times.
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  • Profile picture of the author damoncloudflare
    Glad things seem to be working well!

    The challenge page basically tells the visitor that they may have an infected machine, etc. & they have to pass a captcha to gain access to the site. If you would like to see what your challenge page looks like, or if you would like to make some customizations to the page, you can go to the following:

    Settings->CloudFlare settings->customize challenge page.

    Note: As our data sources may produce false positives because we rely on IP data, you can always whitelist IPs to override our behavior in your threat control panel.
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  • Profile picture of the author aryangarg
    You can do the following to get below 2 seconds
    Initially my blogger blog took around 5 seconds to load ..
    But now it take around 1.5 to 2.1 second to load and repeat view is below .8 seconds.

    1. .htaccess edited and expires headers (Boosted a lot)
    2. Merged all js files into one file (Good)
    3. Use of CSS sprite (Awesome)

    I am using my personal server to upload files which i used in blogger template
    Your webpage speed depends on number of request sent to server.

    For wordpress users: Don't use any kind of cache plugin they are just useless stuff. just increase the loads on your server.

    Firefox browser >> Go to your webpage >> right click >> view source >> count the number of js and css files >> if more than 1 js then combine them >> if more than 1 css file then combine them.

    Go to spriteme.org follow the instructions there(Help you alot to reduce number of request to server)

    Search in google for "How to add expire header in .htaccess" . You will find useful content.

    Note: Less request to server, More speed to your website. Few people requested use of CDN. If your website have more than 1000 people at a time then only CDN Is useful , otherwise its waste of money.
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