What's the best domain to use when .com .net .org are taken???

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I'd like to hear about how you folks choose domains when they aren't availavle as .com .net .org

Let's say you are going after the keyword phrase "dog training" so you want to get that keyword phrase in the domain. The .com .net .org are taken but:

dogtraining.in (India) is available

dogtraining.im (Isle of Man) is available

dog-training.co (columbia) is available > with a dash "-" between the two words.

dog--training.net is available > with two dashes "--" between the two words.

Does Google treat domains registered to other countries (Columbia, India, Isle of Man) the same as .com .net .org or do they have less "authority"?

How about using dashes in the domain name. Does anybody know if Google treats those any differently? How about putting two dashes between the keywords? Are those treated any differently?

Or do you think it's better to just add a word to the end of the keyword phrase like dogtrainingfun.com ?

I'm having to make these choices and I'd just like some input from people who have some experience with these types of domains.

To summarize I'm wondering if Google treats the domains the same regardless of the dashes, country, extra words in the domain, etc. or if they treat them somewhat differently.

As more and more internet marketers grab domain names to promote products there are fewer good domains to choose from. I recently started using domains like .co .us etc because of this.

PS: I know there have been other threads that asked similar questions. I figured I'd create a post with examples to compare.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    It depends on your business model.

    For myself, I'd take .info ... but I'd be developing an "information site" on it, because that's my business model.

    ".info" doesn't rank any worse than ".com" or any other top-level domain - there are a few people who'll tell you it does, and they're all mistaken: Google and Matt Cutts say that it doesn't - and they say it loudly and clearly and at every possible opportunity.

    I asked all the people on my various lists, last year, what sort of top-level domain-name they prefer to see on a site, and was surprised how many of those who expressed a preference said that ".info" gave them the most confidence, because they regard my sites as a source of "information". Not too surprising, really, of course, but at the time I'd forgotten that customers think totally differently from marketers, and I had my silly "preferring .com hat" on.

    A lot of potential customers dislike .com's, anyway, because they think it looks like someone "just trying to sell things" rather than providing information and recommendations. Of course there are still some people (marketers, again!) who imagine, in spite of all Google's and Matt Cutts' persistent efforts to expose this as an urban myth of internet marketing, that .info domains are somehow disadvantaged, compared with .com's, in SEO terms. It's nonsense and it always has been, but what I'm doing wouldn't suit people who still choose to believe it. I think a lot of marketers feel that ".com's evoke trust", but a lot of my customers and prospective customers feel they evoke "pure commercialism" rather than "information". Just a different perspective.

    But ... there are other reasons for preferring .com, of course - especially resale.

    .co will be good if you want to rank highly on Google in Colombia, I'm sure.

    That said, I've read here recently that .co has somehow been "upgraded" now, from being the domain extension for Colombia to being a top-level domain, like .com, .org, .net and others. It's not relevant to me, personally, so I haven't verified this information anywhere, but if it's true, then even a .co would be the same, for SEO purposes.

    Google says openly, and repeatedly, and quite forcefully, that neither hyphenation nor domain-extensions (other than specific country ones) are in any way relevant to SEO at all (poor Matt Cutts must be going blue in the face from saying it all so many times, on video, in writing, on his own blog, on Google's blog and so on), but there are still Warriors who say even he's wrong about it. You'll never get people to agree about these subjects.

    I find that my .info sites do very well. Resale value doesn't concern me, but I do also tend to own the .com's (which I register at the time I start my sites, just to make sure that nobody else can), but I simply re-direct the .com to the .info and use the .info for my site.

    But I would stay away from country-specific extensions unless you want specifically to target those countries, and to rank highly on their local Google searches, at the possible expense of other things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Wilson
    If you are targeting a specific country, then a county specific TLD, geo-targeted to that country and hosted on a server with an IP address for that country will give you a good foothold ahead of generic TLDsm for local search.

    I remember reading Matt Cutts saying (I just can't find it now) that TLDs were NOT weighted in search results, but that they may be in the future - referring specifically to cheaper TLDs like .ws and even .info - due to the volume of spammy registrations/
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  • Profile picture of the author ikontent
    Originally Posted by weblink29 View Post

    I'd like to hear about how you folks choose domains when they aren't availavle as .com .net .org

    Let's say you are going after the keyword phrase "dog training" so you want to get that keyword phrase in the domain. The .com .net .org are taken but:

    dogtraining.in (India) is available
    This MAY be a dumb suggestion - I have NOT tried this out, so take care before you apply this.

    (Got the idea looking at del.icio.us and some other such site names... including a couple used by other IM'ers).

    You could always create subdomains as you wish - so what about picking something like
    dogtr.aining.com?

    Another alternative - pick dogtraining.in, and create subpages like

    dogtraining.in/Seattle
    dogtraining.in/NewYork

    and so on - you might find it works quite well for SEO purposes.
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    • Profile picture of the author DebbieD
      The thing with .info domains is that because it was (and is) cheaper than .coms, many scammers and black hatters use it, so there are many scammy .info sites.

      With my sites, I find they (.com, .net, .org. and .info) all generally rank the same in Google.

      Personally though, I would click on a .com before .info. In my experience, I have found way too many scammy .info sites. (I probably did not land on your (Alexa Smith's) .info sites.)

      I think this all boils down to personal preference. With such a question, you'll get hundreds of totally different (competing) answers.

      Good Luck
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    • Profile picture of the author DebbieD
      Oh well. I see the OP posted while I was typing.

      Just wanted to let you know, the best way to find out what works best is to do things yourself. That way you know from your own experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author weblink29
    Thanks for the replies all. I recently bought a domain as a .co because I was able to get the domain with exact keyword phrase in it. I also bought one with the exact phrase as a .us for a different site.

    So, from what I gather my .co will not rank well if people are searching at Google from US, Canada, etc. and that is actually my market. I may grab another domain and forward the .co to it next.

    How about .tel and .tv domains? Anybody try those yet?
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    • Profile picture of the author earningmoney
      what about dogtraining9.com because i contain the 9 which is numeric and it is easily available and i think google does not think it is relevant and he use the dogtraining9.com as dogtraining.com

      what do you think
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    • Profile picture of the author julien731
      Originally Posted by weblink29 View Post

      So, from what I gather my .co will not rank well if people are searching at Google from US, Canada, etc. and that is actually my market. I may grab another domain and forward the .co to it next.
      That's not correct. Your .co domain can rank as good as a .us TLD. It is true that a ccTLD (country code TLD) is a "plus" for geo-targeted SEO, but it's not a problem to use a ccTLD from another country to rank in the US. One thing you can do that will help: set your targeted country in Google Webmaster Tools. Your domain will rank as well as an other one... if your SEO is well done
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      • Profile picture of the author weblink29
        Originally Posted by julien731 View Post

        That's not correct. Your .co domain can rank as good as a .us TLD. It is true that a ccTLD (country code TLD) is a "plus" for geo-targeted SEO, but it's not a problem to use a ccTLD from another country to rank in the US. One thing you can do that will help: set your targeted country in Google Webmaster Tools. Your domain will rank as well as an other one... if your SEO is well done
        OK, so maybe it's not that silly to grab country specific domains if they are available as an exact keyword match. That's what I did recently for a popular clickbank product. I've never grabbed a country specific domain. I took a chance with one recently but I guess only time will tell how well it does. I bought a .co domain for a highly searched clickbank product.

        PS: I just added this domain to Google Webmaster Tools and set the country to United States. If this works I will be a happy camper
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaronhiscock
    it depends upon in which country you are going to provide dog training services. if you are best in uk then you must need to register .co.uk if you select .in then it will totally useless for you. so please tell me for which country you want to promote your services then i will suggest u more ideas.....
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