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14 years ago

So you are making a dollar or two per hundred visitors. Why not drive more traffic? Add content to the site and drive traffic to those pages also. That would be what I would try to do.

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IM Ash

14 years ago

I also have an adsense site that turned out to be a complete dud! No matter what I do, I just cannot increase my income on that site. I've increased the traffic, tested various different themes and ad placements and I still can't get over the $10/month mark with that site. I have even replaced the ads with an affiliate product and still nothing gives.

I haven't given up on that site just yet, I do believe I can get that site to convert better. When I have found the solution I will let you know!

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Jaysmyne

14 years ago

Do you think all I might need is content? I thought I needed to be ranking well on Google but maybe I just need to JAM pack these sites with useful articles???????

EDITED TO ADD: Yah I dunno... I mean I though the traffic was there, the niche is hot, the first one is health and the second one is travel.... but perhaps with google changing content really is going to be the key.

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IM Ash

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jaysmyne

Do you think all I might need is content? I thought I needed to be ranking well on Google but maybe I just need to JAM pack these sites with useful articles???????

I think some niches are just not "click friendly". You might be in one and so am I. The only time I expand on a site is when it has proven to be a good income generator. For me, there is no use investing more time in a site that isn't giving you any return. But with that said there is no harm in trying to target a different keyword(s) by adding a couple new pages. If that works you can always try and direct your visitors to the page that is converting.

But you should start by testing different ad placements and maybe even changing your theme.

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XIIIzen

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jaysmyne

So...

I have this site... and its geting a good 82 visitors/month from the search engines and a total of 102 uniques per month total. However its making diddly squat in adsense..... is there another way to monetize this site based upon impressions or something?

I have the same issue with another site that is 158 visitors/month from the searches and 208 uniques per month but is making diddly squat with adsense...... and they are good clicks when someone does click through I make $0.30 - $1. thing is I only get 1-2 clicks per month so I'm only making $1 - $2 at most.

Let me see if I understand, you have an average of 200 unique visitors a month? That seems very low to me, unless your niche is very very specific. You may need to drive more traffic to your site to increase your earnings.

Right now one of my sites have around 60 uniques a day, and I thought it was almost nothing. My recommendation would be to try to add some more new unique content and work hard to get some nice quality links to your site.

Other than that I don't know what else I could suggest you. Still best of lucks!

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terryd

14 years ago

82 visitors a month is basically nothing, you can't expect to make money off that amount of traffic, assuming you have a CTR of 10% that means you could expect a click once every 3 days????

You need a lot more traffic....

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Jaysmyne

14 years ago

I think I'm going to try 30days of content. Adding new content for the next 30days and hopefully gain more readers.... I thought 100-200 visitors per month was good but I guess not

I need more but I'm struggling with that.......hahaha

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IM Ash

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jaysmyne

I think I'm going to try 30days of content. Adding new content for the next 30days and hopefully gain more readers.... I thought 100-200 visitors per month was good but I guess not

I need more but I'm struggling with that.......hahaha

The above poster (Kurt) is quite correct about the 80/20 rule. But don't give-up, the next site could reveal the pot of gold.

Yeah, 100-200 visitors is actually really minimal. Try not to follow the school of thought that says you should target a minimum of 1000 exact searches when building Adsense sites. Your main keyword for the next site that you build should have at least 5000 exact searches. This the philosophy that I am embracing now. It might take me slightly longer to rank the site but the return will be greater.

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App Developers

14 years ago

You need a lot more visitors. Do the math and figure out how many visitors you need and the conversion rate. But having a fluff site with no content is not a great way to make a ton of money. why not pack it full of related new content?

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Kurt

14 years ago

Here's an SEO "secret"...Even the most experienced SEOers have "duds" and can't tell you why.

The difference is, with experience you also gain confidence knowing that the next site may (or may not) be a winner.

It's really the old 80/20 Rule...20% of your sites will bring 80% of your revenue. Your site is probably just one of the 80% that doesn't bring much revenue.

If you've done some good linking and have good content, that's been optimized using the basics, time to move on to your next idea.

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Keep Trying

14 years ago

That's actually a lot of traffic if they are unique visitors. Instead of doing Adsense, why not spend the 30 days creating an e-book and selling it on your site for $10? If you get a CTR of 1% a day, you'll still be making around $300 a month.

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terryd

14 years ago

102 unique visitors a month.....a lot of traffic???.....what planet are you on???

Your math is way off......even with her second site which has 208 uniques a month a CTR of 1% (not sales) is only 2 visitors......how the heck do you get $300 a month out of that at $10 a sale????

Originally Posted by Keep Trying

That's actually a lot of traffic if they are unique visitors. Instead of doing Adsense, why not spend the 30 days creating an e-book and selling it on your site for $10? If you get a CTR of 1% a day, you'll still be making around $300 a month.

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Keep Trying

14 years ago

Originally Posted by terryd

102 unique visitors a month.....a lot of traffic???.....what planet are you on???

Your math is way off......even with her second site which has 208 uniques a month a CTR of 1% (not sales) is only 2 visitors......how the heck do you get $300 a month out of that at $10 a sale????

Oh I'm sorry, I thought she meant that she got about 100 unique visitors a day, which could still be enough traffic to monetize. All I was saying is that if she had a 1% CTR out of 100 a day, that would be $10 a day, and $10 X 30 days would equal $300 a month.

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jerytohn

14 years ago

Apparently, the tech niche is quite hard to crack as most techies seldom click on ads. This is what I heard and not from my own experience. That said, you should try to do some SEO to increase the traffic?

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Yogini

14 years ago

You can check both your ad placement as well as the number of ads per page. Some people prefer just one adsense block to have the highest paying advertisers . Also, you can continue to search for more longtail phrases and use spyfu, semrush or another tool to check the cost per click. If it is very low it can take a good deal of clicks to see nice revenue.

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Jaysmyne

14 years ago

Yeah, 100-200 visitors is actually really minimal. Try not to follow the school of thought that says you should target a minimum of 1000 exact searches when building Adsense sites. Your main keyword for the next site that you build should have at least 5000 exact searches. This the philosophy that I am embracing now. It might take me slightly longer to rank the site but the return will be greater.

How many competing pages do you look for with this 5,000 exact searches rule? I have been following the 1,000 rule and it hasn't been paying off well at all..... perhaps I need to become a bigger authority in my niche. The site is already PR 2. Which is good but not great.

So I guess that's where I am the "Good but not GREAT" level and thats why I'm stuggling....

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jaysmyne

How many competing pages do you look for with this 5,000 exact searches rule? I have been following the 1,000 rule and it hasn't been paying off well at all..... perhaps I need to become a bigger authority in my niche. The site is already PR 2. Which is good but not great.

So I guess that's where I am the "Good but not GREAT" level and thats why I'm stuggling....

Hi Jaysmyne,

You really need to up your standards for traffic. You are not even approaching "good" yet. For AdSense, I would consider any website that doesn't get to 100 unique visitors a day as a failure.

1000 exact searches is okay for long tail keywords, but long tail keywords are not your primary keywords. They are the dozens and dozens of keywords that you are targeting along with your primary keywords, hence the long tail. Your primary keywords should be well north of 10,000 exact searches or it just isn't going to pay off very well.

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IM Ash

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jaysmyne

How many competing pages do you look for with this 5,000 exact searches rule? I have been following the 1,000 rule and it hasn't been paying off well at all..... perhaps I need to become a bigger authority in my niche. The site is already PR 2. Which is good but not great.

So I guess that's where I am the "Good but not GREAT" level and thats why I'm stuggling....

Just to give you an idea of my current projects: I am presently building 3 Adsense sites. One of the sites is targeting a primary keyword that has 40 000 exact searches, the other has 18 000 exact searches and the final site is targeting a keyword that receives 4400 exact searches, but I will also be targeting 20 other keywords that receive 880+ searches/month for that specific site.

I personally do not look at metrics such as competing pages, allintitle and the like. I just look at the top 3 sites in the SERP's, analyze their on-page and off-page SEO and if I think I can beat those sites I will pursue the niche. I usually give myself 4-6 months to rank in the top 3 in a medium competition environment. But my idea of medium competition is what others will regard as high.

I'm no SEO expert, but with consistency in your SEO efforts you can rank for any keyword.

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jaysmyne

How many competing pages do you look for with this 5,000 exact searches rule? I have been following the 1,000 rule and it hasn't been paying off well at all..... perhaps I need to become a bigger authority in my niche. The site is already PR 2. Which is good but not great.

So I guess that's where I am the "Good but not GREAT" level and thats why I'm stuggling....

I like to mix things up a bit. Let's say you have a 10 page (or so) mini site.

The three main criteria for good keywords are:

low competition
high volume
high value

After running 1000s of keywords through some research, pick a few that are the "best" in all 3 criteria.

Now, pick a couple that have low competition, but you can't ignore traffic, either.

Next, pick a couple that have high volume.

Finally, pick a keyword or two that has high value.

Now look at the rest of you keywords...Pick 50-100 of these and use them as your secondary keywords, sprinkling them in when and where you can.

This gives you the best of all options. You have a few pages focused on well balanced keywords, a few that target high traffic, a few that target low competition and a page that has keywords that pay very well.

You also have quantity by using your secondary keywords. Try to funnel your traffic to your own high paying keyword page. This can be as easy as a big link to your high paying page.

The real key to Adsense sites, after keyword selection, is the ability to get them up and running quickly. Again, the 80/20 rule applies. You really have to get at least 10 of them going to have a chance.

I suggest you do a couple of sites that are semi-related to the niche you're already in, but targeting different keywords. Then do 3-4 sites in another unrelated niche and 3-4 more site in yet another unrelated niche.

Promote those sites and see which ones give you the best results, then spend your time on these sites.

Again, even the best SEOers have duds. But they keep going, knowing that's they way things are...