How Important is SEO Hosting?

15 years ago

Hi scorpion,

SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting. There is no SEO benefit, though it might help a scammer isolate his websites by having them on different IP addresses. That way when one website is recognized as a dubious operation it isn't as easy to connect it to the other websites on different IP addresses.

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viantea 15 years ago

It is worth getting if you know what you are doing. I have seo hosting, 2 vds and i use all to get my sites started.
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RevSEO

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi scorpion,

SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting. There is no SEO benefit, though it might help a scammer isolate his websites by having them on different IP addresses. That way when one website is recognized as a dubious operation it isn't as easy to connect it to the other websites on different IP addresses.

LOL you are great. Thanks for the laughs....

In reality, SEO hosting is only important if you are setting up a NETWORK of websites and you need diverse class C IP addresses. If you are hosting a few websites SEO hosting will have no benefits to your rankings. Heck, even if you are hosting one website your rankings will not increase from SEO hosting.

Therefore, for the OP, if you don't own a ton of websites and aren't planning on linking them together then you don't need SEO Hosting.

As far as SEOHosting being scammer hosting? I won't even attempt to resolve that outlandish claim.

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dburk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by RevSEO

LOL you are great. Thanks for the laughs....

In reality, SEO hosting is only important if you are setting up a NETWORK of websites and you need diverse class C IP addresses. If you are hosting a few websites SEO hosting will have no benefits to your rankings. Heck, even if you are hosting one website your rankings will not increase from SEO hosting.

Therefore, for the OP, if you don't own a ton of websites and aren't planning on linking them together then you don't need SEO Hosting.

As far as SEOHosting being scammer hosting? I won't even attempt to resolve that outlandish claim.

Hi RevSEO,

I am sorry, but I must disagree with your assertion. Your IP address plays no role in search engines rankings. That is just a myth promulgated by hosting companies that want to sell you a more expensive package.

Myth busting: virtual hosts vs. dedicated IP addresses

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JamesGw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi RevSEO,

I am sorry, but I must disagree with your assertion. Your IP address plays no role in search engines rankings. That is just a myth promulgated by hosting companies that want to sell you a more expensive package.

Myth busting: virtual hosts vs. dedicated IP addresses

That's an old article quoting an even older interview. I wouldn't place too much stock in it.

That said, it's hard to say whether Google uses domain, c-block, or a combination of both to determine the diversity of links. We know that link diversity is important, but it's a question of how Google determines it. SEOmoz has been using c-blocks in their data and the correlation is pretty strong.

I'd rather be safe than sorry, personally.

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Mike Anthony

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi RevSEO,

I am sorry, but I must disagree with your assertion. Your IP address plays no role in search engines rankings. That is just a myth promulgated by hosting companies that want to sell you a more expensive package.

Myth busting: virtual hosts vs. dedicated IP addresses

Not exactly the point he is making. You are talking at cross purposes. You are both right in your own way. Your link is not addressing what he is talking about. He is talking about setting up potentially hundreds of sites on the same IP and linking to each other or creating a huge footprint for Google to draw conclusions from. If you read this and some comments closely you will see both issues mentioned and separated here

Dedicated vs. Shared IP Addresses and SEO | Search Engine Journal

Generally IP address plays no role (but thats kind of an overstatement as well since IPs can give Geo location and geo location can be HUGE in geo specific engines (.co.uk for example). However if you have things going on between those sites to the tune of a big network of sites linking together) then things change.

So I wouldn't call SEO hosting a scam perse. maybe not Whitehat. I wouldn't use them because if and when I go that route I want Ips all around the world - since right now I have a good client mix between US and the rest of the world - and SEO hosting can't give you that.

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BestSEO

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi RevSEO,

I am sorry, but I must disagree with your assertion. Your IP address plays no role in search engines rankings. That is just a myth promulgated by hosting companies that want to sell you a more expensive package.

Myth busting: virtual hosts vs. dedicated IP addresses

Don, do not believe that BS from Matt "the Liar" Cutts... If you fall for that BS I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you...

If you are building mini-nets to a money site, they NEED to be on different IPs and if you want to go head to head, I will prove it 100% at my cost as an open challenge right here on WF.... We can make a friendly one can of soda bet! Keep it open for all of WF to view and maybe even learn from.

But please do not promote or otherwise state that diverse IP needs are a BS way of hosting companies to charge more.... It is simply NOT TRUE and thus a lie.....

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by BestSEO

Don, do not believe that BS from Matt "the Liar" Cutts... If you fall for that BS I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you...

If you are building mini-nets to a money site, they NEED to be on different IPs and if you want to go head to head, I will prove it 100% at my cost as an open challenge right here on WF.... We can make a friendly one can of soda bet! Keep it open for all of WF to view and maybe even learn from.

But please do not promote or otherwise state that diverse IP needs are a BS way of hosting companies to charge more.... It is simply NOT TRUE and thus a lie.....

Just because something is not true, does NOT make it a lie. So using your own logic, since your comment is not true...

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dburk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by BestSEO

Don, do not believe that BS from Matt "the Liar" Cutts... If you fall for that BS I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you...

If you are building mini-nets to a money site, they NEED to be on different IPs and if you want to go head to head, I will prove it 100% at my cost as an open challenge right here on WF.... We can make a friendly one can of soda bet! Keep it open for all of WF to view and maybe even learn from.

But please do not promote or otherwise state that diverse IP needs are a BS way of hosting companies to charge more.... It is simply NOT TRUE and thus a lie.....

A completely unbiased opinion I'm sure. It's not like you make money or something from selling IP hosting... oh.. wait... Now I see why you are so passionate about your position, your signature gave it away.

I'm glad to see that at least one hosting company is providing diverse IPs without charging more. That is what you are implying, that you provide multiple IPs without charging more, right?

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shaneparksons 15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi scorpion,

SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting.

I would have to agree to this. Basically, it's a booby trap for those who has little knowledge about SEO, or simply for those who are lazy to do their own work. Features of this hosting service might coincide to what is acceptable by the SEO guidelines, but at the end of the day, links and contents still are two of the main reasons why webmasters should be busy.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi scorpion,

SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting. There is no SEO benefit, though it might help a scammer isolate his websites by having them on different IP addresses. That way when one website is recognized as a dubious operation it isn't as easy to connect it to the other websites on different IP addresses.

Yup, exactly.

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Mike Grant

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi scorpion,

SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting. There is no SEO benefit, though it might help a scammer isolate his websites by having them on different IP addresses. That way when one website is recognized as a dubious operation it isn't as easy to connect it to the other websites on different IP addresses.

If you think the returns do not diminish when the amount of links you have from the same IP increase, you're mistaken.

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caredog

15 years ago

It's not important at all. Trust me on this.

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scorpion

15 years ago

Will seo hosting be useful if i build a 100 microsites eg amazon affiliated sites / adsenses sites but they are not connected to each other.

I got conflicting views. What is your views?

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Klemen Znidar

15 years ago

Originally Posted by scorpion

Will seo hosting be useful if i build a 100 microsites eg amazon affiliated sites / adsenses sites but they are not connected to each other.

I got conflicting views. What is your views?

If you will not connect them to each other then no. You don't need SEO hosting.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Originally Posted by scorpion

Will seo hosting be useful if i build a 100 microsites eg amazon affiliated sites / adsenses sites but they are not connected to each other.

I got conflicting views. What is your views?

If these are thin affiliate sites that are at risk of being de-indexed by Google, then it would be a good idea to spread them around different Class C ips. This way, you will avoid all of them being de-indexed in one go if Google does a manual review of the sites hosted under the same ip.

Alternatively, you can use an up with hundreds of thousands of sites, making it difficult for Google to do a manual review.

My recommendation would be to go ahead and use SEO hosting or spread over different webhosts. Your definition of thin affiliate web sites may be very different to Google's. You cannot second guess what Google is going to do. You just hear complaints from people all the time whose sites have been de-indexed but claim to have to unique content, good user satisfaction, all whitehat, blah, blah, blah etc.

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LeahRae 15 years ago

Ok just my 2 cents.

1. You can be judged by the company you keep. If your website is hosted on a server with tons of "junk" websites (spam / porn / etc) you might take a hit on the Google algorithm. - You don't want to get put in Google's sandbox for bad lil websites. It can take months to get out.

2. Even if Google ignores the fact that your website is hosted next to C@$$ websites... many spam blockers may not. There is the potential that your IP address is just plain blocked for spam in certain ISP's / Firewalls / email providers. So Google might serve you up as a good result, but the potential visitor gets told by their ISP's / Firewalls / email providers that your site could be harmful or just not show it at all. An example of the ramifications of this is to imagine a ISP like SBCGLOBAL decides your website is spam or harmful & blocks it for the millions of internet users that subscribe to it or just use it's search engine.

Unfair - yes! I've seen it happen & had to work to get sites off spam black lists. Imagine that you are the 1 nice decent law abiding person in the middle of a house of criminals. When the law comes knocking you will get taken down, you of course might get absolved of all charges but not before your rep has taken a serious hit.

3. Google is a speed freak lately. More often than not your website being hosted on the cheapest host possible can hurt you. This is due to the fact that they aren't making $ unless they cram as many websites as possible onto 1 server sharing resources. Imagine a traffic jam & that is what some shared hosting providers give you.

I have my personal favorite hosts because of their TOS, ethics & customer service & I put all my clients on them. I recommend you do a search for what other sites are on the same server your website is on just to see who your neighbors are & if you agree with them. It is always best to be fully informed. I recommend that everyone does a search for reviews of the current host they are on and look for possible alternatives if the reviews are bad. You might spend a few extra $ a year, but if you find the right provider you will see the gains.

Feel free to PM me for my fav host info.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by scorpion

How much does SEO Hosting contribute to a website's ranking? Is it overrated? Do you recommend using SEO Hosting?

I have never used it, so I cannot recommend it. Sorry. Make sure to read lots of reviews before choosing a Hosting company, because if there is a lot of down time, that will have a detrimental effect on your rankings.

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15 years ago

Does web hosting play a role in search engine optimization? Yes, there are several factors that you will want to pay attention to when choosing a web hosting company.
The very first thing to look at is the physical location of the web hosting company. Most of the major search engines factor in the country location into their search algorithms. If you want your website to rank well in the UK find a web hosting company that has their servers physically located in the UK. If you want to rank well in Google, Yahoo and MSN you better find a USA web hosting provider.

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auradev

15 years ago

If you have less than 100 sites it doesnt matter.

If you have more than 100 sites, you'd be foolish to have them all on the same server or same datacenter.

Seo hosting companies just distribute sites so you dont have to have 10-20 different web hosts.

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John Williamson

15 years ago

As others have said, not important at all...

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ARVolund

15 years ago

Originally Posted by scorpion

How much does SEO Hosting contribute to a website's ranking? Is it overrated? Do you recommend using SEO Hosting?

Why are you looking at seo hosting? What is your purpose of wanting different ip addresses?

If you have a bunch of niche sites that you are trying to rank and that is all you want to do then there is no need. They can all be on the same ip and live happily ever after.

If you are trying to build a network of sites to support a limited number of money sites by linking to them then ip diversity does matter at that point. How many sites you are planning on building would make the determination on whether you would be better off with seo hosting or just separate hosting accounts with different companies.

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jak jacki 15 years ago

seo is good but not necessary for everyone that they have to use seo hosting.
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MelissaRoss

15 years ago

The opinions here are conflicting and I am torn over the ethics behind it. I've read an article on this from searchenglineland but still can't make up my mind. Anyways, thanks for the info guys.

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15 years ago

SEO hosting is important especially for those who need many C class IP addresses!
And I know some companies which are good in that - seohosting and aseohosting.
Just my two cents!

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Curtez Riggs

15 years ago

Glad I found this post....

So I'm converting 200+ Adsense sites into a private blog network, to be used to backlink my money sites....

I'm tired of paying out the butt to have contentexual links built on other peoples network when I have my own.....

Let me wrap my head around this... If I will be interlinking the blogs to spread PR then I should diversity the IP's...

If I choose not to interlink I can use a standard hosting acct...

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dburk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Curtez Riggs

Glad I found this post....

So I'm converting 200+ Adsense sites into a private blog network, to be used to backlink my money sites....

I'm tired of paying out the butt to have contentexual links built on other peoples network when I have my own.....

Let me wrap my head around this... If I will be interlinking the blogs to spread PR then I should diversity the IP's...

If I choose not to interlink I can use a standard hosting acct...

Hi Curtez,

Using multiple IP addresses will not change the value of your links. Nor will it hide the fact that all of your websites are part of a network own by a single entity.

In my opinion, unnecessary for your expressed purpose.

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Curtez,

Using multiple IP addresses will not change the value of your links. Nor will it hide the fact that all of your websites are part of a network own by a single entity.

In my opinion, unnecessary for your expressed purpose.

Exactly...As I just posted on another thread on this subject, this is a concept Google uses called "Hilltop" and since the blogs all used the same
Adsese publisher ID, I have a stong feeling Google knows that the domains are all "affiliated"...ie have a relationship.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...google+hilltop

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Curtez Riggs

15 years ago

Kurt

Thanks again for the response, but as I stated on the other post... Only 55 of the blogs have adsense, spread between 4 ID's.

Now if in fact I use separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it... Will Google still be able to ID the network?

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dburk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Curtez Riggs

Kurt

Thanks again for the response, but as I stated on the other post... Only 55 of the blogs have adsense, spread between 4 ID's.

Now if in fact I use separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it... Will Google still be able to ID the network?

Hi Curtez,

Discovering how web documents are connected is at the center of Google's core competency, they call it a link graph. They are the worlds best at mapping links and that is precisely what led them to build their search engine. In other words they were experts at detecting linked networks before they built Backrug, the prototype for what eventually became Google.

To think that using "separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it" will somehow hide your network is almost laughable. They were good at doing that well before they launch Google. Any successful attempt to hide your network from Google would have to avoid cross linking your pages.

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MikeFriedman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Curtez,

Discovering how web documents are connected is at the center of Google's core competency, they call it a link graph. They are the worlds best at mapping links and that is precisely what led them to build their search engine. In other words they were experts at detecting linked networks before they built Backrug, the prototype for what eventually became Google.

To think that using "separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it" will somehow hide your network is almost laughable. They were good at doing that well before they launch Google. Any successful attempt to hide your network from Google would have to avoid cross linking your pages.

While I agree that Google is great at detecting networks and doing what they do, I do not think it is all that hard to keep a network from being discovered.

Besides separate IPs, private whois, no analytics, no AdSense, no Webmaster Tools, just do not interlink the sites at all or very little (no closed end structures) and do not put the same links on each site. If you have 50 sites with the exact same 20 outgoing backlinks, yes that would be a huge red flag.

If you do that, they really do not look any different than any other website.

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dburk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

While I agree that Google is great at detecting networks and doing what they do, I do not think it is all that hard to keep a network from being discovered.

Besides separate IPs, private whois, no analytics, no AdSense, no Webmaster Tools, just do not interlink the sites at all or very little (no closed end structures) and do not put the same links on each site. If you have 50 sites with the exact same 20 outgoing backlinks, yest that would be a huge red flag.

If you do that, they really do not look any different than any other website.

Hi Mike,

Yes, I generally agree with your assertion and if you are doing all that you won't need separate IPs.

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MikeFriedman 15 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Mike,

Yes, I generally agree with your assertion and if you are doing all that you won't need separate IPs.

True. I'm probably overly cautious in a lot of things I do. However, when I'm doing SEO work for others, I take no chances.
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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

While I agree that Google is great at detecting networks and doing what they do, I do not think it is all that hard to keep a network from being discovered.

Besides separate IPs, private whois, no analytics, no AdSense, no Webmaster Tools, just do not interlink the sites at all or very little (no closed end structures) and do not put the same links on each site. If you have 50 sites with the exact same 20 outgoing backlinks, yes that would be a huge red flag.

If you do that, they really do not look any different than any other website.

There's a few other factors that can be included, such as sharing ANY affiliate ID across the domains, such as Amazon, etc.

Also, things like server company, DNS and geographical location of the server can also play a part.

Another issue is the A and B blocks of the IPs. If all the blogs use the same A and B blocks, then link to other sites that also share the same A and B blocks, that could be another footprint Google could use to show "affiliation".

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Curtez Riggs

Kurt

Thanks again for the response, but as I stated on the other post... Only 55 of the blogs have adsense, spread between 4 ID's.

Now if in fact I use separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it... Will Google still be able to ID the network?

Since you have 55 blogs using 4 publisher IDs, divide the sites by ID and put them all on the same IP, since they've already been "affiliated" by Google by the ID, you need to keep them on the same IP, seperate from all the other sites with no or other publisher IDs.

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gtk29

15 years ago

It has no importance at all if you are talking about SEO only. Google cares less where your site is hosted and more about what your site has to offer.

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15 years ago

There is not so much SEO benfits from hosting services

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Daret

15 years ago

Basically, unless you are creating a network of hundreds of site, then you dont need SEO hosting.

If you have a few websites, then you can go for normal hosting, no problems at all!

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esdavis

15 years ago

Lot of heat on this thread. I'll just summarize my point quickly so nobody jumps on me. :-)

If you aren't interlinking, I don't think Google cares from a link profile standpoint because you aren't sneaky linking to your personal sites from your own sites.

From a business standpoint, it's never good to have all your eggs in one basket, so putting too many sites on a single account or at a single webhost can be a big failure point for your sites.

Also, while I wouldn't say SEO hosting per se is the answer to this need, you also want to consider site uptime and site speed, which usually means going with better hosts in your hosting profile. However, just because something is SEO hosting on different C-class IPs, it doesn't mean they help for this issue. It's an unrelated issue.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

I think a lot of people do not know how to use SEO hosting properly. The aim is NOT to interlink all the sites, but to provide links to money sites that are often hosted elsewhere.

Ideally, the link donor sites should be authority sites with a high PR. They should not have any common factor through which Google can identify them e.g. Adsense, Affiliate IDs, common WHOIS info, common template etc. This is how many "SEO services" provide links to their clients.

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Vexo

15 years ago

In my experience they do not matter one bit. I move all my sites for seohosting to normal hostgator account and none of them lost rank at all.

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12 years ago

SEO Hosting that route multiple ip to same server. Google or anyone can trace that ip come from just one server. So what's benefit from multiple ip but just one server? Not much compare to different servers.

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12 years ago

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morg2k2 12 years ago

The name of "SEO Hosting" its a bit harsh, probably you will believe the hosting will do some sort of SEO to your website... that's not correct at all.
What is Called "SEO Hosting" its basically to attribute 1 Ip for each domain, it can be from a C class, B Class or even A Class, well what matters here its basically the diversity of ips , subnets and also geographically, but the purpose of the SEO hosting it 100% to Big SEO networks, even though the IPs are just one of the steps to improve your domains SEO rankings... on the other hand... you do not require to be in a Host tagged "SEO Hosting" because what you will require if you have many domain with backlinks to your money website are basically this:

1) A shared account or many (accordingly with the number of domains you require.
2) lease dedicated ip addresses (normally 1 per domain)
3) When you have a big number of domains, lets say 100 then I would spread the domains by a few hosting companies and would add dedicated ips go guarantee lots of IP diversity.
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