How Important is SEO Hosting?

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How much does SEO Hosting contribute to a website's ranking? Is it overrated? Do you recommend using SEO Hosting?
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  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi scorpion,

    SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting. There is no SEO benefit, though it might help a scammer isolate his websites by having them on different IP addresses. That way when one website is recognized as a dubious operation it isn't as easy to connect it to the other websites on different IP addresses.
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    • Profile picture of the author viantea
      It is worth getting if you know what you are doing. I have seo hosting, 2 vds and i use all to get my sites started.
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    • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
      Originally Posted by dburk View Post

      Hi scorpion,

      SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting. There is no SEO benefit, though it might help a scammer isolate his websites by having them on different IP addresses. That way when one website is recognized as a dubious operation it isn't as easy to connect it to the other websites on different IP addresses.
      LOL you are great. Thanks for the laughs....

      In reality, SEO hosting is only important if you are setting up a NETWORK of websites and you need diverse class C IP addresses. If you are hosting a few websites SEO hosting will have no benefits to your rankings. Heck, even if you are hosting one website your rankings will not increase from SEO hosting.

      Therefore, for the OP, if you don't own a ton of websites and aren't planning on linking them together then you don't need SEO Hosting.

      As far as SEOHosting being scammer hosting? I won't even attempt to resolve that outlandish claim.
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by RevSEO View Post

        LOL you are great. Thanks for the laughs....

        In reality, SEO hosting is only important if you are setting up a NETWORK of websites and you need diverse class C IP addresses. If you are hosting a few websites SEO hosting will have no benefits to your rankings. Heck, even if you are hosting one website your rankings will not increase from SEO hosting.

        Therefore, for the OP, if you don't own a ton of websites and aren't planning on linking them together then you don't need SEO Hosting.

        As far as SEOHosting being scammer hosting? I won't even attempt to resolve that outlandish claim.
        Hi RevSEO,

        I am sorry, but I must disagree with your assertion. Your IP address plays no role in search engines rankings. That is just a myth promulgated by hosting companies that want to sell you a more expensive package.

        Myth busting: virtual hosts vs. dedicated IP addresses
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        • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

          Hi RevSEO,

          I am sorry, but I must disagree with your assertion. Your IP address plays no role in search engines rankings. That is just a myth promulgated by hosting companies that want to sell you a more expensive package.

          Myth busting: virtual hosts vs. dedicated IP addresses
          That's an old article quoting an even older interview. I wouldn't place too much stock in it.

          That said, it's hard to say whether Google uses domain, c-block, or a combination of both to determine the diversity of links. We know that link diversity is important, but it's a question of how Google determines it. SEOmoz has been using c-blocks in their data and the correlation is pretty strong.

          I'd rather be safe than sorry, personally.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

          Hi RevSEO,

          I am sorry, but I must disagree with your assertion. Your IP address plays no role in search engines rankings. That is just a myth promulgated by hosting companies that want to sell you a more expensive package.

          Myth busting: virtual hosts vs. dedicated IP addresses
          Not exactly the point he is making. You are talking at cross purposes. You are both right in your own way. Your link is not addressing what he is talking about. He is talking about setting up potentially hundreds of sites on the same IP and linking to each other or creating a huge footprint for Google to draw conclusions from. If you read this and some comments closely you will see both issues mentioned and separated here

          Dedicated vs. Shared IP Addresses and SEO | Search Engine Journal

          Generally IP address plays no role (but thats kind of an overstatement as well since IPs can give Geo location and geo location can be HUGE in geo specific engines (.co.uk for example). However if you have things going on between those sites to the tune of a big network of sites linking together) then things change.

          So I wouldn't call SEO hosting a scam perse. maybe not Whitehat. I wouldn't use them because if and when I go that route I want Ips all around the world - since right now I have a good client mix between US and the rest of the world - and SEO hosting can't give you that.
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        • Profile picture of the author BestSEO
          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

          Hi RevSEO,

          I am sorry, but I must disagree with your assertion. Your IP address plays no role in search engines rankings. That is just a myth promulgated by hosting companies that want to sell you a more expensive package.

          Myth busting: virtual hosts vs. dedicated IP addresses
          Don, do not believe that BS from Matt "the Liar" Cutts... If you fall for that BS I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you...

          If you are building mini-nets to a money site, they NEED to be on different IPs and if you want to go head to head, I will prove it 100% at my cost as an open challenge right here on WF.... We can make a friendly one can of soda bet! Keep it open for all of WF to view and maybe even learn from.

          But please do not promote or otherwise state that diverse IP needs are a BS way of hosting companies to charge more.... It is simply NOT TRUE and thus a lie.....
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by BestSEO View Post

            Don, do not believe that BS from Matt "the Liar" Cutts... If you fall for that BS I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you...

            If you are building mini-nets to a money site, they NEED to be on different IPs and if you want to go head to head, I will prove it 100% at my cost as an open challenge right here on WF.... We can make a friendly one can of soda bet! Keep it open for all of WF to view and maybe even learn from.

            But please do not promote or otherwise state that diverse IP needs are a BS way of hosting companies to charge more.... It is simply NOT TRUE and thus a lie.....
            Just because something is not true, does NOT make it a lie. So using your own logic, since your comment is not true...
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          • Profile picture of the author dburk
            Originally Posted by BestSEO View Post

            Don, do not believe that BS from Matt "the Liar" Cutts... If you fall for that BS I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you...

            If you are building mini-nets to a money site, they NEED to be on different IPs and if you want to go head to head, I will prove it 100% at my cost as an open challenge right here on WF.... We can make a friendly one can of soda bet! Keep it open for all of WF to view and maybe even learn from.

            But please do not promote or otherwise state that diverse IP needs are a BS way of hosting companies to charge more.... It is simply NOT TRUE and thus a lie.....
            A completely unbiased opinion I'm sure. It's not like you make money or something from selling IP hosting... oh.. wait... Now I see why you are so passionate about your position, your signature gave it away.

            I'm glad to see that at least one hosting company is providing diverse IPs without charging more. That is what you are implying, that you provide multiple IPs without charging more, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author shaneparksons
      Originally Posted by dburk View Post

      Hi scorpion,

      SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting.
      I would have to agree to this. Basically, it's a booby trap for those who has little knowledge about SEO, or simply for those who are lazy to do their own work. Features of this hosting service might coincide to what is acceptable by the SEO guidelines, but at the end of the day, links and contents still are two of the main reasons why webmasters should be busy.
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    • Originally Posted by dburk View Post

      Hi scorpion,

      SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting. There is no SEO benefit, though it might help a scammer isolate his websites by having them on different IP addresses. That way when one website is recognized as a dubious operation it isn't as easy to connect it to the other websites on different IP addresses.
      Yup, exactly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
      Originally Posted by dburk View Post

      Hi scorpion,

      SEO hosting should be referred to as scammer hosting. There is no SEO benefit, though it might help a scammer isolate his websites by having them on different IP addresses. That way when one website is recognized as a dubious operation it isn't as easy to connect it to the other websites on different IP addresses.
      If you think the returns do not diminish when the amount of links you have from the same IP increase, you're mistaken.
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  • Profile picture of the author caredog
    It's not important at all. Trust me on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author scorpion
    Will seo hosting be useful if i build a 100 microsites eg amazon affiliated sites / adsenses sites but they are not connected to each other.

    I got conflicting views. What is your views?
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    • Profile picture of the author Klemen Znidar
      Originally Posted by scorpion View Post

      Will seo hosting be useful if i build a 100 microsites eg amazon affiliated sites / adsenses sites but they are not connected to each other.

      I got conflicting views. What is your views?
      If you will not connect them to each other then no. You don't need SEO hosting.

      -m
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by scorpion View Post

      Will seo hosting be useful if i build a 100 microsites eg amazon affiliated sites / adsenses sites but they are not connected to each other.

      I got conflicting views. What is your views?
      If these are thin affiliate sites that are at risk of being de-indexed by Google, then it would be a good idea to spread them around different Class C ips. This way, you will avoid all of them being de-indexed in one go if Google does a manual review of the sites hosted under the same ip.

      Alternatively, you can use an up with hundreds of thousands of sites, making it difficult for Google to do a manual review.

      My recommendation would be to go ahead and use SEO hosting or spread over different webhosts. Your definition of thin affiliate web sites may be very different to Google's. You cannot second guess what Google is going to do. You just hear complaints from people all the time whose sites have been de-indexed but claim to have to unique content, good user satisfaction, all whitehat, blah, blah, blah etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author LeahRae
        Ok just my 2 cents.

        1. You can be judged by the company you keep. If your website is hosted on a server with tons of "junk" websites (spam / porn / etc) you might take a hit on the Google algorithm. - You don't want to get put in Google's sandbox for bad lil websites. It can take months to get out.

        2. Even if Google ignores the fact that your website is hosted next to C@$$ websites... many spam blockers may not. There is the potential that your IP address is just plain blocked for spam in certain ISP's / Firewalls / email providers. So Google might serve you up as a good result, but the potential visitor gets told by their ISP's / Firewalls / email providers that your site could be harmful or just not show it at all. An example of the ramifications of this is to imagine a ISP like SBCGLOBAL decides your website is spam or harmful & blocks it for the millions of internet users that subscribe to it or just use it's search engine.

        Unfair - yes! I've seen it happen & had to work to get sites off spam black lists. Imagine that you are the 1 nice decent law abiding person in the middle of a house of criminals. When the law comes knocking you will get taken down, you of course might get absolved of all charges but not before your rep has taken a serious hit.

        3. Google is a speed freak lately. More often than not your website being hosted on the cheapest host possible can hurt you. This is due to the fact that they aren't making $ unless they cram as many websites as possible onto 1 server sharing resources. Imagine a traffic jam & that is what some shared hosting providers give you.


        I have my personal favorite hosts because of their TOS, ethics & customer service & I put all my clients on them. I recommend you do a search for what other sites are on the same server your website is on just to see who your neighbors are & if you agree with them. It is always best to be fully informed. I recommend that everyone does a search for reviews of the current host they are on and look for possible alternatives if the reviews are bad. You might spend a few extra $ a year, but if you find the right provider you will see the gains.

        Feel free to PM me for my fav host info.
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  • Originally Posted by scorpion View Post

    How much does SEO Hosting contribute to a website's ranking? Is it overrated? Do you recommend using SEO Hosting?
    I have never used it, so I cannot recommend it. Sorry. Make sure to read lots of reviews before choosing a Hosting company, because if there is a lot of down time, that will have a detrimental effect on your rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author pravintprasath
    Does web hosting play a role in search engine optimization? Yes, there are several factors that you will want to pay attention to when choosing a web hosting company.
    The very first thing to look at is the physical location of the web hosting company. Most of the major search engines factor in the country location into their search algorithms. If you want your website to rank well in the UK find a web hosting company that has their servers physically located in the UK. If you want to rank well in Google, Yahoo and MSN you better find a USA web hosting provider.

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  • Profile picture of the author auradev
    If you have less than 100 sites it doesnt matter.

    If you have more than 100 sites, you'd be foolish to have them all on the same server or same datacenter.

    Seo hosting companies just distribute sites so you dont have to have 10-20 different web hosts.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
    As others have said, not important at all...
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  • Profile picture of the author ARVolund
    Originally Posted by scorpion View Post

    How much does SEO Hosting contribute to a website's ranking? Is it overrated? Do you recommend using SEO Hosting?

    Why are you looking at seo hosting? What is your purpose of wanting different ip addresses?

    If you have a bunch of niche sites that you are trying to rank and that is all you want to do then there is no need. They can all be on the same ip and live happily ever after.

    If you are trying to build a network of sites to support a limited number of money sites by linking to them then ip diversity does matter at that point. How many sites you are planning on building would make the determination on whether you would be better off with seo hosting or just separate hosting accounts with different companies.
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  • Profile picture of the author MelissaRoss
    The opinions here are conflicting and I am torn over the ethics behind it. I've read an article on this from searchenglineland but still can't make up my mind. Anyways, thanks for the info guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author talking
    SEO hosting is important especially for those who need many C class IP addresses!
    And I know some companies which are good in that - seohosting and aseohosting.
    Just my two cents!
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    • Profile picture of the author Curtez Riggs
      Glad I found this post....

      So I'm converting 200+ Adsense sites into a private blog network, to be used to backlink my money sites....

      I'm tired of paying out the butt to have contentexual links built on other peoples network when I have my own.....

      Let me wrap my head around this... If I will be interlinking the blogs to spread PR then I should diversity the IP's...

      If I choose not to interlink I can use a standard hosting acct...
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by Curtez Riggs View Post

        Glad I found this post....

        So I'm converting 200+ Adsense sites into a private blog network, to be used to backlink my money sites....

        I'm tired of paying out the butt to have contentexual links built on other peoples network when I have my own.....

        Let me wrap my head around this... If I will be interlinking the blogs to spread PR then I should diversity the IP's...

        If I choose not to interlink I can use a standard hosting acct...
        Hi Curtez,

        Using multiple IP addresses will not change the value of your links. Nor will it hide the fact that all of your websites are part of a network own by a single entity.

        In my opinion, unnecessary for your expressed purpose.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

          Hi Curtez,

          Using multiple IP addresses will not change the value of your links. Nor will it hide the fact that all of your websites are part of a network own by a single entity.

          In my opinion, unnecessary for your expressed purpose.

          Exactly...As I just posted on another thread on this subject, this is a concept Google uses called "Hilltop" and since the blogs all used the same
          Adsese publisher ID, I have a stong feeling Google knows that the domains are all "affiliated"...ie have a relationship.

          http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...google+hilltop
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          • Profile picture of the author Curtez Riggs
            Kurt

            Thanks again for the response, but as I stated on the other post... Only 55 of the blogs have adsense, spread between 4 ID's.

            Now if in fact I use separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it... Will Google still be able to ID the network?
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            • Profile picture of the author dburk
              Originally Posted by Curtez Riggs View Post

              Kurt

              Thanks again for the response, but as I stated on the other post... Only 55 of the blogs have adsense, spread between 4 ID's.

              Now if in fact I use separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it... Will Google still be able to ID the network?
              Hi Curtez,

              Discovering how web documents are connected is at the center of Google's core competency, they call it a link graph. They are the worlds best at mapping links and that is precisely what led them to build their search engine. In other words they were experts at detecting linked networks before they built Backrug, the prototype for what eventually became Google.

              To think that using "separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it" will somehow hide your network is almost laughable. They were good at doing that well before they launch Google. Any successful attempt to hide your network from Google would have to avoid cross linking your pages.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                Hi Curtez,

                Discovering how web documents are connected is at the center of Google's core competency, they call it a link graph. They are the worlds best at mapping links and that is precisely what led them to build their search engine. In other words they were experts at detecting linked networks before they built Backrug, the prototype for what eventually became Google.

                To think that using "separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it" will somehow hide your network is almost laughable. They were good at doing that well before they launch Google. Any successful attempt to hide your network from Google would have to avoid cross linking your pages.

                While I agree that Google is great at detecting networks and doing what they do, I do not think it is all that hard to keep a network from being discovered.

                Besides separate IPs, private whois, no analytics, no AdSense, no Webmaster Tools, just do not interlink the sites at all or very little (no closed end structures) and do not put the same links on each site. If you have 50 sites with the exact same 20 outgoing backlinks, yes that would be a huge red flag.

                If you do that, they really do not look any different than any other website.
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                • Profile picture of the author dburk
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  While I agree that Google is great at detecting networks and doing what they do, I do not think it is all that hard to keep a network from being discovered.

                  Besides separate IPs, private whois, no analytics, no AdSense, no Webmaster Tools, just do not interlink the sites at all or very little (no closed end structures) and do not put the same links on each site. If you have 50 sites with the exact same 20 outgoing backlinks, yest that would be a huge red flag.

                  If you do that, they really do not look any different than any other website.

                  Hi Mike,

                  Yes, I generally agree with your assertion and if you are doing all that you won't need separate IPs.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                    Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                    Hi Mike,

                    Yes, I generally agree with your assertion and if you are doing all that you won't need separate IPs.
                    True. I'm probably overly cautious in a lot of things I do. However, when I'm doing SEO work for others, I take no chances.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  While I agree that Google is great at detecting networks and doing what they do, I do not think it is all that hard to keep a network from being discovered.

                  Besides separate IPs, private whois, no analytics, no AdSense, no Webmaster Tools, just do not interlink the sites at all or very little (no closed end structures) and do not put the same links on each site. If you have 50 sites with the exact same 20 outgoing backlinks, yes that would be a huge red flag.

                  If you do that, they really do not look any different than any other website.
                  There's a few other factors that can be included, such as sharing ANY affiliate ID across the domains, such as Amazon, etc.

                  Also, things like server company, DNS and geographical location of the server can also play a part.

                  Another issue is the A and B blocks of the IPs. If all the blogs use the same A and B blocks, then link to other sites that also share the same A and B blocks, that could be another footprint Google could use to show "affiliation".
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Curtez Riggs View Post

              Kurt

              Thanks again for the response, but as I stated on the other post... Only 55 of the blogs have adsense, spread between 4 ID's.

              Now if in fact I use separate IPs, private whois, and only use the sites that have never had adsense on it... Will Google still be able to ID the network?

              Since you have 55 blogs using 4 publisher IDs, divide the sites by ID and put them all on the same IP, since they've already been "affiliated" by Google by the ID, you need to keep them on the same IP, seperate from all the other sites with no or other publisher IDs.
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  • Profile picture of the author gtk29
    It has no importance at all if you are talking about SEO only. Google cares less where your site is hosted and more about what your site has to offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author honyflights
    There is not so much SEO benfits from hosting services
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  • Profile picture of the author Daret
    Basically, unless you are creating a network of hundreds of site, then you dont need SEO hosting.

    If you have a few websites, then you can go for normal hosting, no problems at all!
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  • Profile picture of the author esdavis
    Lot of heat on this thread. I'll just summarize my point quickly so nobody jumps on me. :-)

    If you aren't interlinking, I don't think Google cares from a link profile standpoint because you aren't sneaky linking to your personal sites from your own sites.

    From a business standpoint, it's never good to have all your eggs in one basket, so putting too many sites on a single account or at a single webhost can be a big failure point for your sites.

    Also, while I wouldn't say SEO hosting per se is the answer to this need, you also want to consider site uptime and site speed, which usually means going with better hosts in your hosting profile. However, just because something is SEO hosting on different C-class IPs, it doesn't mean they help for this issue. It's an unrelated issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I think a lot of people do not know how to use SEO hosting properly. The aim is NOT to interlink all the sites, but to provide links to money sites that are often hosted elsewhere.

    Ideally, the link donor sites should be authority sites with a high PR. They should not have any common factor through which Google can identify them e.g. Adsense, Affiliate IDs, common WHOIS info, common template etc. This is how many "SEO services" provide links to their clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vexo
    In my experience they do not matter one bit. I move all my sites for seohosting to normal hostgator account and none of them lost rank at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bomtik
      Aseohosting.com is one more trustworthy company which offers SEO hosting on lovely terms.
      Highly recommended.
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  • Profile picture of the author multiplecloud
    SEO Hosting that route multiple ip to same server. Google or anyone can trace that ip come from just one server. So what's benefit from multiple ip but just one server? Not much compare to different servers.
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  • Profile picture of the author azzedinejamal
    Thanks guys for sharing your information & views about website hosting trust me after this i really don't know anything about hosting.
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    • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
      The name of "SEO Hosting" its a bit harsh, probably you will believe the hosting will do some sort of SEO to your website... that's not correct at all.
      What is Called "SEO Hosting" its basically to attribute 1 Ip for each domain, it can be from a C class, B Class or even A Class, well what matters here its basically the diversity of ips , subnets and also geographically, but the purpose of the SEO hosting it 100% to Big SEO networks, even though the IPs are just one of the steps to improve your domains SEO rankings... on the other hand... you do not require to be in a Host tagged "SEO Hosting" because what you will require if you have many domain with backlinks to your money website are basically this:

      1) A shared account or many (accordingly with the number of domains you require.
      2) lease dedicated ip addresses (normally 1 per domain)
      3) When you have a big number of domains, lets say 100 then I would spread the domains by a few hosting companies and would add dedicated ips go guarantee lots of IP diversity.
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