by MrDack
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Myself and 2 colleagues are looking into the possibilty of building our own private network blog for backlinking purposes. We currently use services like FreeTGen and 1Waylinks but long term plan is to build our own network.

Initial plan of action is to purchase aged domains through godaddy and host them using multi c class ip hosting such as cclassiphosting.com.

It's a long term plan with significant upfront/monthly costs but we feel long term, it will proove to be a good investment.

We'll be starting with 30 domains (at least 10 will be aged) and build from there.

Does anyone have any good\bad experiences in setting up their own network and/or any solid advice they can offer pls?
#blog #network #private
  • Profile picture of the author ok123
    I typed a really long response but after re reading your post, it seems like you are going to have this for your personal use..

    Instead of multi c class hosting from 1 provider, why not have cheap share hosting or free hosting from different providers..
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    • Profile picture of the author MrDack
      Originally Posted by ok123 View Post

      I typed a really long response but after re reading your post, it seems like you are going to have this for your personal use..

      Instead of multi c class hosting from 1 provider, why not have cheap share hosting or free hosting from different providers..
      Yes, personal use.

      Shared hosting will have same IP address for each account, we need multi c for ip diversity. In practice, we'd be building using different providers, not all with the same one.

      Want to steer away from free hosting, that leaves us vunerable. It will cost us time and money to build these sites and free hosting is a risk.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Matt LaClear of the WF does this and has a very lucrative business from it. I'm one of his happy customers.
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    • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Matt LaClear of the WF does this and has a very lucrative business from it. I'm one of his happy customers.
      Got a link? I'm looking for something like this from a legit source.

      Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh MacDonald
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Matt LaClear of the WF does this and has a very lucrative business from it. I'm one of his happy customers.
      I tried to be a customer, but he was a jerk to me when I PMed him. Heck, he didn't even click the thanks button on your post.
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      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
        Originally Posted by Josh MacDonald View Post

        I tried to be a customer, but he was a jerk to me when I PMed him. Heck, he didn't even click the thanks button on your post.
        That's because I already thanked her on the several other threads in which she recommended our services. I delete the pms from everyone inquiring about our services. We receive way too many of them every day to be able to respond to them. But the biggest reason I do not answer pms is because all of them ask questions already answered on the threads they found us on. I explain that very clearly on all my threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    I am having great success with one particular version of it...there are a handful of ways and flavors...

    Just FYI...private networks are to natural links what list building is to organic SEO...in engineering terms...

    article directory marketing = 1
    article marketing via guest blog posting = x
    private networking = x^n
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    • Profile picture of the author MrDack
      Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

      Just FYI...private networks are to natural links what list building is to organic SEO...in engineering terms...
      Totally agree.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathy Curiel
    Mr Dack , I want to wish good luck with it. Because if you succeed you make a loooot of money !
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    For certain you should go forward with your plan to set up your own network. We started with 200 .info sites over a year ago and have never looked back. Right now we are close to the 4000 blog mark. I have plans of growing that to over 10k by the end of the year.

    But even starting with under 50 sites you should see significant juice generated from your efforts.
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    • Profile picture of the author MrDack
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      For certain you should go forward with your plan to set up your own network. We started with 200 .info sites over a year ago and have never looked back. Right now we are close to the 4000 blog mark. I have plans of growing that to over 10k by the end of the year.

      But even starting with under 50 sites you should see significant juice generated from your efforts.
      Cheers Matt.

      We've used your services several times and the effect on our ranks is undisputable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Enis
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      For certain you should go forward with your plan to set up your own network. We started with 200 .info sites over a year ago and have never looked back. Right now we are close to the 4000 blog mark. I have plans of growing that to over 10k by the end of the year.

      But even starting with under 50 sites you should see significant juice generated from your efforts.
      Wow that's truly amazing. I might start the same as you did, it's kindof inspiring to hear something like that. Good luck with the 10.000 blogs though!
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  • Profile picture of the author dripable
    I have used many services many of these contextual services that offer private high PR networks and they work great for ranking/serp movement.

    I'm actually going to be getting involved in my own as well, already have about 40 domains from PR6-PR3, though I plan to probably spend about 30-50k to get it completely setup. Then remember the monthly costs and maintenance should be roughly 3-5k a month to keep it up.

    If you were to turn this into a business selling a service, it can be very profitable as well. Friends of mine are pulling in 20-30k a month just from having a couple smaller private high PR networks!

    Key is getting your hands on a few PR7's and staying away from anything PR3 or lower.

    Wish you the best of luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author MrDack
      Originally Posted by dripable View Post

      I have used many services many of these contextual services that offer private high PR networks and they work great for ranking/serp movement.

      I'm actually going to be getting involved in my own as well, already have about 40 domains from PR6-PR3, though I plan to probably spend about 30-50k to get it completely setup. Then remember the monthly costs and maintenance should be roughly 3-5k a month to keep it up.

      If you were to turn this into a business selling a service, it can be very profitable as well. Friends of mine are pulling in 20-30k a month just from having a couple smaller private high PR networks!

      Key is getting your hands on a few PR7's and staying away from anything PR3 or lower.

      Wish you the best of luck!
      30-50k!, wow, that's a hell of an investment. But that's what I like about this approach, you can start of small and scale up as the profits increase.

      Cheers and good luck to you also Dripable.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by dripable View Post

      I'm actually going to be getting involved in my own as well, already have about 40 domains from PR6-PR3, though I plan to probably spend about 30-50k to get it completely setup. Then remember the monthly costs and maintenance should be roughly 3-5k a month to keep it up.

      If you were to turn this into a business selling a service, it can be very profitable as well. Friends of mine are pulling in 20-30k a month just from having a couple smaller private high PR networks!

      Key is getting your hands on a few PR7's and staying away from anything PR3 or lower.

      Wish you the best of luck!
      We only use pr0 and pr1 .info blogs and we generate over $75k a month. We pay less than $2 a piece to register them at GD.
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      • Profile picture of the author dripable
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        We only use pr0 and pr1 .info blogs and we generate over $75k a month. We pay less than $2 a piece to register them at GD.
        Well the reason I said stay away from pr3 or lower is because your are going to lose PR over time. This way if your looking to start a network people would be interested in purchasing a spot in, this is what they want to see. I'm not saying that your can't still have a large network of any PR blogs and not make a profit from it. Its all about the approach, presentation and support, which are the big reasons for any BST/WSO/business success/failure.
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by dripable View Post

          Well the reason I said stay away from pr3 or lower is because your are going to lose PR over time. This way if your looking to start a network people would be interested in purchasing a spot in, this is what they want to see. I'm not saying that your can't still have a large network of any PR blogs and not make a profit from it. Its all about the approach, presentation and support, which are the big reasons for any BST/WSO/business success/failure.
          More power to you bud. But I would put my pr 0's up against any other blog network in existence. I have generated over 5000 page one rankings with it in the last 15 months. Rock on though.
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          • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
            Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

            More power to you bud. But I would put my pr 0's up against any other blog network in existence. I have generated over 5000 page one rankings with it in the last 15 months. Rock on though.
            It's true, I also have links that are mostly from pr0 sites and half of them are nofollow, to boot! I still get Google page one, it all depends on keyword competition.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by dripable View Post

          Well the reason I said stay away from pr3 or lower is because your are going to lose PR over time. This way if your looking to start a network people would be interested in purchasing a spot in, this is what they want to see.
          I'd side with Matt more on that. I think going only for PR5 and up can be overkill. You do not have to lose PR . If you do your home work you won't lose many links and you can fortify whatever you lose anyway. PR7s are mullah money and high risk. I don't avoid PR3s or even 2s at all. Link quality is important but so is popularity. Most people are interested in results. frankly getting people results pays more money than renting out links
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      • Profile picture of the author MrDack
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        We only use pr0 and pr1 .info blogs and we generate over $75k a month. We pay less than $2 a piece to register them at GD.
        That's thrown me!. I thought it was given that you'd need decent PR to have effect?, obviously not.
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by MrDack View Post

          That's thrown me!. I thought it was given that you'd need decent PR to have effect?, obviously not.
          You should pay absolutely no attention to what is being taught regarding seo these days. Google's algorithm is extremely easy to game and they seem to have no inclination of stopping it. Provided you're not using the links to rank sites for non relevant keywords.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MrDack View Post

          That's thrown me!. I thought it was given that you'd need decent PR to have effect?, obviously not.
          Link popularity will give you some juice in weaker terms. Don't believe everything a blog network seller tells you. They only tout their success not their failures (of which there are many if you know where to look outside of WF) If you want to compete in the really tough serps you need some authority links.

          I don't mind Matt's selling his services but we get into when he starts making claims that are not true and discounting all other SEO advice. Authority links are needed for many serps. If it were not so then there would be services where for $99 you could choose any ONE keyword phrase you want and that would be that.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Link popularity will give you some juice in weaker terms. Don't believe everything a blog network seller tells you. They only tout their success not their failures (of which there are many if you know where to look outside of WF) If you want to compete in the really tough serps you need some authority links.

            I don't mind Matt's selling his services but we get into when he starts making claims that are not true and discounting all other SEO advice. Authority links are needed for many serps. If it were not so then there would be services where for $99 you could choose any ONE keyword phrase you want and that would be that.
            Well it looks like your'e also getting into the backlink business with your focus on PR links, so should we also discount this post?

            I'm one of Matt's customers and I didn't get on page one of Google for ONE of my keywords. I'm on page one for ALL 5 of them.

            My second campaign is a very competitive one and I am confident that I will reach page ONE for some very competitive keywords using his service.

            I don't know the ins and outs of SEO. That's why I hired someone who does.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              Well it looks like your'e also getting into the backlink business with your focus on PR links, so should we also discount this post?
              I didn't say to discount everything he says . Far from it but you didn't hear me saying to discount everything everyone else says either.

              I'm one of Matt's customers and I didn't get on page one of Google for ONE of my keywords. I'm on page one for ALL 5 of them.
              Thats not his offer. good for you but don't pretend like the service promises that or its what most people get. I have no issue with people getting results on their long tail but there is zip, zero no reason to make claims across the board like authority links are not needed in many serps. Its a flat out lie. If you don''t know SEO and use someone else's service thats fine but don't pretend to know what you have already claimed you don't. It will mislead people.

              and no You don't know what my sig refers to so don't pretend as if you do. Thats just a highlight and I will not be selling any PR links AT ALL.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                I didn't say to discount everything he says . Far from it but you didn't hear me saying to discount everything everyone else says either.

                Thats not his offer. good for you but don't pretend like the service promises that or its what most people get. I have no issue with people getting results on their long tail but there is zip, zero no reason to make claims across the board like authority links are not needed in many serps. Its a flat out lie. If you don''t know SEO and use someone else's service thats fine but don't pretend to know what you have already claimed you don't. It will mislead people.

                and no You don't know what my sig refers to so don't pretend as if you do. Thats just a highlight and I will not be selling any PR links AT ALL.
                I didn't pretend to know anything about SEO ... that's why I hired Matt. And I don't rank for long tail keywords. Long tail keywords don't interest me.

                As for results that his customers get, I get blurry vision and a headache reading the testimonials of people who got what they want from the service, so yes, I tend to believe that what he says and what he's doing works.
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                • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  I didn't pretend to know anything about SEO ... that's why I hired Matt. And I don't rank for long tail keywords. Long tail keywords don't interest me.

                  As for results that his customers get, I get blurry vision and a headache reading the testimonials of people who got what they want from the service, so yes, I tend to believe that what he says and what he's doing works.
                  That's the thing that gets to me. There are entire threads on other forums dedicated to how my system has to be a scam. Yet not one of them knows our system or has read all our testimonails. Even Mike is showing he has not read our testimonials. So he makes accusations only to boost his own service that he pitches on the forum. Had he read what other Warriors have written about our service by the droves he would know that what he is claiming about are service to be untrue.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    That's the thing that gets to me. There are entire threads on other forums dedicated to how my system has to be a scam. Yet not one of them knows our system or has read all our testimonails.
                    No Matt there are forums (particularly a backlink focused forum we both know)where people discuss how and why your network did not work for them. Thats very pertinent to what we are discussing because that lack of authority is partially to blame for that. Frankly I think for $99 what you offer is more than decent. I have never had an issue with it just your subsequent claims which are nonsense that authority links do not matter at all. You spin that to sell your services in almost every thread in this section. Thats a fact. In the case of building a network as this thread discusses you need to back that up with some hard facts that would be easy to show in the serps. Again show me a highly competitive term that ranks with only PR 0 and N/A links. I bet it either does not rank well (top three where the traffic really is -not 5-10) or it won't really be competitive.

                    Yet not one of them knows our system or has read all our testimonails.Even Mike is showing he has not read our testimonials.
                    Who on this thread regularly hasn't heard that sales pitch over and over again? I don' t think its possible to not have read some of your testimonials because there is not a thread we discuss SEo in which you do not bring them up and you always bring them up instead of showing me what you claim is true in the serps. I and others have told you more than once - WSO testimonials are not reliable to us (and yet I am not claiming that you made them up just they just are seldom a good indicator). So yes I've read both your testimonials and how fast anyone not experiencing results gets blasted as well. Theres nothing wrong with your service at your price. It is what it is. Its the misleading statements you have made in this forum like PR0 links are just as good as a PR5 links I have an issue with.

                    You can fool people who don't know SEo but most of us here know thats blathering nonsense.


                    So he makes accusations only to boost his own service that he pitches on the forum..
                    Don't be dishonest Matt. We have discussed this issue when I had nothing in my sig as I have most of the last year and I have no service. see a sig link anywhere? :rolleyes: . We are in completely different markets and I don't see your network anywhere in my customer's serps. nada

                    Issue is whether building a network without PR can rank sites in any niche particularly really competitive ones Thats all.
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                    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      No Matt there are forums (particularly a backlink focused forum we both know)where people discuss how and why your network did not work for them. Thats very pertinent to what we are discussing because that lack of authority is partially to blame for that. Frankly I think for $99 what you offer is more than decent. I have never had an issue with it just your subsequent claims which are nonsense that authority links do not matter at all. You spin that to sell your services in almost every thread in this section. Thats a fact. In the case of building a network as this thread discusses you need to back that up with some hard facts that would be easy to show in the serps. Again show me a highly competitive term that ranks with only PR 0 and N/A links. I bet it either does not rank well (top three where the traffic really is -not 5-10) or it won't really be competitive.



                      Who on this thread regularly hasn't heard that sales pitch over and over again? I don' t think its possible to not have read some of your testimonials because there is not a thread we discuss SEo in which you do not bring them up and you always bring them up instead of showing me what you claim is true in the serps. I and others have told you more than once - WSO testimonials are not reliable to us (and yet I am not claiming that you made them up just they just are seldom a good indicator). So yes I've read both your testimonials and how fast anyone not experiencing results gets blasted as well. Theres nothing wrong with your service at your price. It is what it is. Its the misleading statements you have made in this forum like PR0 links are just as good as a PR5 links I have an issue with.

                      You can fool people who don't know SEo but most of us here know thats blathering nonsense.


                      Don't be dishonest Matt. We have discussed this issue when I had nothing in my sig as I have most of the last year and I have no service. see a sig link anywhere? :rolleyes: . We are in completely different markets and I don't see your network anywhere in my customer's serps. nada

                      Issue is whether building a network without PR can rank sites in any niche particularly really competitive ones Thats all.
                      How can our service not work for someone? We continue backlinking until we drive their site to page one. How can we fail a campaign under such parameters? Please explain that to me.

                      The fact you call all the Warriors who left testimonials for us blathering idiots tells me all I need to know about you. Jealousy is such an ugly thing. Don't you agree?

                      Edit: On second thought don't explain anything to me. I just blocked you so sadly I will not be able to read any more of your thought provoking posts here on the forum. Adios.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        [quote=mattlaclear;4425666]How can our service not work for someone? We continue backlinking until we drive their site to page one. How can we fail a campaign under such parameters? Please explain that to me.[/quote}

                        I am an SEO. I wouldn' t be using your services but some of the posts here explain it better

                        Matt laclear - guaranteed 1st page with 5 keywards - Any one tried

                        The fact you call all the Warriors who left testimonials for us blathering idiots tells me all I need to know about you.
                        You need to learn to read. I never called your customers anything I said your postion that a Pr 0 link is as good as a PR4 is blathering nonsense and I still do.
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              • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                I didn't say to discount everything he says . Far from it but you didn't hear me saying to discount everything everyone else says either.



                Thats not his offer. good for you but don't pretend like the service promises that or its what most people get. I have no issue with people getting results on their long tail but there is zip, zero no reason to make claims across the board like authority links are not needed in many serps. Its a flat out lie. If you don''t know SEO and use someone else's service thats fine but don't pretend to know what you have already claimed you don't. It will mislead people.

                and no You don't know what my sig refers to so don't pretend as if you do. Thats just a highlight and I will not be selling any PR links AT ALL.
                Just because I happen to have some feedback to share on the topic does not mean I'm pitching my services here. Believe it or not...I do not need to do that. But you have accused me that at least half a dozen times on as many threads.

                So why not confine your comments to me regarding my services? You will find that I do happen to have a great deal of knowledge on the subject.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                  Just because I happen to have some feedback to share on the topic does not mean I'm pitching my services here. Believe it or not...I do not need to do that. But you have accused me that at least half a dozen times on as many threads.
                  I've accused you of making misleading statements that just happen to pitch your service in a particuar light. I am far from the only one. I won't argue semantics and I have always confined my statements to your claims. Your claims are wrong and I 've challenged you to show a truly competitive term in the serps ranking without any authority links.

                  its not my fault that every time I do you run away. discussing SEO is what every other regular in this section does - not just our services. In this particular thread the issue of a blog network with some authority links or not is very pertinent. IN my own private network (Don't sell spots on it) having some PR has helped in competitive serps - fact. So its a legitimate discussion and has little to do with your particular service.
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                  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    I've accused you of making misleading statements that just happen to pitch your service in a particuar light. I am far from the only one. I won't argue semantics and I have always confined my statements to your claims. Your claims are wrong and I 've challenged you to show a truly competitive term in the serps ranking without any authority links.

                    its not my fault that every time I do you run away. discussing SEO is what every other regular in this section does - not just our services. In this particular thread the issue of a blog network with some authority links or not is very pertinent. IN my own private network (Don't sell spots on it) having some PR has helped in competitive serps - fact. So its a legitimate discussion and has little to do with your particular service.
                    Okay then...show me your testimonials and I'll show you mine. Proof is in the pudding. I proved what I say is true. Now you prove your viewpoint is true.
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      • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        We only use pr0 and pr1 .info blogs and we generate over $75k a month. We pay less than $2 a piece to register them at GD.
        Matt, are you considering these domains and backlinks throwaways after 1 year or do you renew? It's $2 per domain for year 1, but $10 for year 2.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sean Donahoe
    A few quick tips that you may or may not have thought of.

    1. Create groups (clusters) of blogs and assign your outsourcers (if you use them) to manage those clusters (maintenance, monitoring and growth)
    2. Get a developer to create an XMLRPC poster to handle distribution of content. There are good tools that can do this for you. (WP Direct is a good one, ManageWP etc)
    3. Create automated syndication for each blog so all posts get backlink love (RSS Directories, Blog Directories, Ping.FM, PixelPipe, etc)
    4. Grab all the sitemaps and feed the links to sites like backlinkindexer.com or Linklicious.me for indexing power

    Heck I could go on for ever but those may help you squeeze some power out of everything.

    All the best

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    • Profile picture of the author MrDack
      1) Never thought of this - good pointer, thanks.
      2) We've several ideas on this one, but I'll check out the tools you mentioned - cheers.
      3) Yes, currently trialing BogzBot to install base sites with the usual syndication plugins.
      4) Currently testing NuclearLinkindexer, if this doesn't stack up then we'll be switching to backlinkindexer.com.

      Cheers Sean, very much appreciate your ideas.

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      Originally Posted by Sean Donahoe View Post

      A few quick tips that you may or may not have thought of.

      1. Create groups (clusters) of blogs and assign your outsourcers (if you use them) to manage those clusters (maintenance, monitoring and growth)
      2. Get a developer to create an XMLRPC poster to handle distribution of content. There are good tools that can do this for you. (WP Direct is a good one, ManageWP etc)
      3. Create automated syndication for each blog so all posts get backlink love (RSS Directories, Blog Directories, Ping.FM, PixelPipe, etc)
      4. Grab all the sitemaps and feed the links to sites like backlinkindexer.com or Linklicious.me for indexing power

      Heck I could go on for ever but those may help you squeeze some power out of everything.

      All the best

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  • Profile picture of the author SpinnerHawk
    Do you create this for your own / company use or for commercial use? (selling blog post)

    If it's for internal use have you think about the ROI? Because I can imagine the complexity and cost of maintaining a large network of sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author MrDack
      Originally Posted by SpinnerHawk View Post

      Do you create this for your own / company use or for commercial use? (selling blog post)

      If it's for internal use have you think about the ROI? Because I can imagine the complexity and cost of maintaining a large network of sites.
      We haven't actually kicked off yet, we're currently costing up and devising a strategy. In the short term, for use on our own sites but if things go well then eventually we may run it as a service (limited).

      For private useage, the boost in rankings on our money sites should (hopefully) justify the ROI but yes, you're right, this has to be closely monitored.

      By starting off small, < 50 sites, we can perfect and fine tune our system and procesess for mantenance and monitoring before upscaling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    2. Get a developer to create an XMLRPC poster to handle distribution of content. There are good tools that can do this for you. (WP Direct is a good one, ManageWP etc)
    If your networks gets to any decent size XMLRPC is not a viable solution if your posting a lot of content. Its OK for smaller networks with minimal traffic and content posting, but if you plan to grow your network your going to run into hosting problems unless your on a dedicated box.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Great thread guys. What do you use to feed content into your sites - assuming WordPress?
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Great thread guys. What do you use to feed content into your sites - assuming WordPress?
      Anyone willing to share some ideas on how to feed 200 WP blogs the right way?
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      • Profile picture of the author markowe
        Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

        Anyone willing to share some ideas on how to feed 200 WP blogs the right way?
        My thought would be Article Marketing Robot, let's you load up your private WP blogs and fire out posts VERY quickly. Maybe there's some good reason why not though..?
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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    Question for Matt...

    Most of my stuff is pretty highly targeted, so getting ranked for a 4th or 5th keyword on the list won't mean as much to me. Therefore:

    Do you have a service for those of us that need to target a "specific" term or keyword phrase?

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Back to the subject (we are well off it, and all this has been done before): how does having a blog network compare with the poor man's option of setting up a lot of Web 2.0-type properties and leveraging them for backlinks? This is certainly something I do, to pretty good effect, but of course the problem of posting to 50 completely different blog platforms (manually) and the obvious risk of not having ownership of them sort of precludes ramping this up big-time. I wonder how it compares in SEO terms with having, say, 50 low-PR .info sites, hosted on different servers etc. Any thoughts?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Back to the subject (we are well off it, and all this has been done before): how does having a blog network compare with the poor man's option of setting up a lot of Web 2.0-type properties and leveraging them for backlinks? This is certainly something I do, to pretty good effect, but of course the problem of posting to 50 completely different blog platforms (manually) and the obvious risk of not having ownership of them sort of precludes ramping this up big-time. I wonder how it compares in SEO terms with having, say, 50 low-PR .info sites, hosted on different servers etc. Any thoughts?
      I chose Matt's service because #1 all the testimonials and #2 because it IS a private blog network.

      I don't want to spam the Internet with my links. I want my links placed where no one will be offended by them.
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      • Profile picture of the author markowe
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I chose Matt's service because #1 all the testimonials and #2 because it IS a private blog network.

        I don't want to spam the Internet with my links. I want my links placed where no one will be offended by them.
        Well, I do agree - that's one reason I have also used Matt's service (still waiting on the results!), because it's his network so, hey, he can slap spun content over it all day if he wants.

        I would say that I am careful NOT to spam Web 2.0s, even at the expense of posting "duplicate" but quality content I have already used elsewhere (i.e. not spun stuff - actually, it still works fine for me).

        In fact for promoting my offline business (I won't let spam NEAR that) I create totally unique, related, quality Wikis, blogs, etc. that I update totally manually and which can stand alone and can and do rank for a ton of related stuff. However, all this IS very hard work, and it would be tempting to just be able to blast stuff out to my own network every now and then and not care..!
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Back to the subject (we are well off it, and all this has been done before): how does having a blog network compare with the poor man's option of setting up a lot of Web 2.0-type properties and leveraging them for backlinks? This is certainly something I do, to pretty good effect, but of course the problem of posting to 50 completely different blog platforms (manually) and the obvious risk of not having ownership of them sort of precludes ramping this up big-time. I wonder how it compares in SEO terms with having, say, 50 low-PR .info sites, hosted on different servers etc. Any thoughts?
      True enough regarding this thread going off topic.

      If you use Article Marketing Robot you can easily post to all 50 of the different blogs on your network very quickly and efficiently.

      AMR = under $100
      50 .info domains = under $100
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      • Profile picture of the author markowe
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        True enough regarding this thread going off topic.

        If you use Article Marketing Robot you can easily post to all 50 of the different blogs on your network very quickly and efficiently.

        AMR = under $100
        50 .info domains = under $100
        +50 different IPs/hosting packages?!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Back to the subject (we are well off it, and all this has been done before): how does having a blog network compare with the poor man's option of setting up a lot of Web 2.0-type properties and leveraging them for backlinks? This is certainly something I do, to pretty good effect,?
      As you say It works but the downside is you can't really expand that past a certain point plus theres the downside of the properties not being yours. You could build them up to great strength and they could be deleted tomorrow. Frankly i wouldn't be bothered with the Infos . NEtfirms for example has had a special for like 4.95 with the coupon and they throw privacy in for free. I'll take a .com .net. org over a info any day not because infos are bad for SEo but because as a property com , .net and .org are seen as more established ever I ever needed to sell a site or build it into its own presence.
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    This might be off-topic but I have better experience in doing SEO than building something for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    I think private blog networks are one of the best ways to go for SEO purposes. Where are you supposed to get most of the content from? Autoblogging?

    I say this because I'd like to create an automated solution. I have blog networks, but they're all updated manually.
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  • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
    This is a very interesting thread. Thanks for the information guys.

    I am planning to build my own 'small' private network for personal purpose as well, and reading some of the response up above, it seems quite expensive to begin with (both time and money). While I dont mind spending time, but i have limited budget.

    For instance, If I am planning to start with 10 blogs,

    10 x $2 (.info) = $20 (first year), then after that its $5 per year (according to another user above?)

    Multiple-Class-C IP : I assume I will be needing 10 unique IPs in this case. Does that mean getting 10-hosting packages? (Or a dedicated server with 10 IPs?)
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      +50 different IPs/hosting packages?!
      For 50 domains you would need 5-10 separate c class ip's. Which would fall under the cheapest hosting plans of every seo host you check out.

      Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

      This is a very interesting thread. Thanks for the information guys.

      I am planning to build my own 'small' private network for personal purpose as well, and reading some of the response up above, it seems quite expensive to begin with (both time and money). While I dont mind spending time, but i have limited budget.

      For instance, If I am planning to start with 10 blogs,

      10 x $2 (.info) = $20 (first year), then after that its $5 per year (according to another user above?)

      Multiple-Class-C IP : I assume I will be needing 10 unique IPs in this case. Does that mean getting 10-hosting packages? (Or a dedicated server with 10 IPs?)
      You do not need to reregister a domain once it expires. Just clone it and add it to a new .info domain. Works like a charm.
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      • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        For 50 domains you would need 5-10 separate c class ip's. Which would fall under the cheapest hosting plans of every seo host you check out.


        You do not need to reregister a domain once it expires. Just clone it and add it to a new .info domain. Works like a charm.
        Thanks for the quick response.
        I am confused, I thought we are trying to build a private network here with high PR?

        Suppose my .info domain got to PR3 (linked with other blogs as well), and re-register a new .info domain instead of renewing it, doesnt that mean abandoning my PR3 domain?

        Please advise. Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author markowe
          Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

          Thanks for the quick response.
          I am confused, I thought we are trying to build a private network here with high PR?

          Suppose my .info domain got to PR3 (linked with other blogs as well), and re-register a new .info domain instead of renewing it, doesnt that mean abandoning my PR3 domain?

          Please advise. Thanks.
          Well, without wanting to reignite the old Anthony vs. LaClear debate, the LaClear system is claimed to do its job with low-PR .info domains, i.e. he doesn't care about PR, he just rinses and repeats with new 0-PR domains. It's a way of saving the huge costs of domain renewal.

          However, you could take the other approach - a smaller number of higher PR domains, which you WOULD renew annually, though I am not sure how successful you would be in getting any PR to them. But in this case you might as well get .coms etc. from day one, as you would want to grow a small but high-quality network.

          I am NOT arguing for one or the other, lest we reopen that discussion - I am just saying it's two ways to "skin a cat". For a small, personal network I think I would prefer to go with quality over quantity - mostly because it's easier to maintain.
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          • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
            Originally Posted by markowe View Post

            Well, without wanting to reignite the old Anthony vs. LaClear debate, the LaClear system is claimed to do its job with low-PR .info domains, i.e. he doesn't care about PR, he just rinses and repeats with new 0-PR domains. It's a way of saving the huge costs of domain renewal.

            However, you could take the other approach - a smaller number of higher PR domains, which you WOULD renew annually, though I am not sure how successful you would be in getting any PR to them. But in this case you might as well get .coms etc. from day one, as you would want to grow a small but high-quality network.

            I am NOT arguing for one or the other, lest we reopen that discussion - I am just saying it's two ways to "skin a cat". For a small, personal network I think I would prefer to go with quality over quantity - mostly because it's easier to maintain.
            Ahh I see.
            So its quantity vs. quality in this case.

            @LaClear Approach: Hugh quantity of backlinks with low PR and do follow? I assume the only REAL expense is getting multiple IP for hosting?
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            • Profile picture of the author markowe
              Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

              Ahh I see.
              So its quantity vs. quality in this case.

              @LaClear Approach: Hugh quantity of backlinks with low PR and do follow? I assume the only REAL expense is getting multiple IP for hosting?
              That's my take on it - but that's just from researching things for a possible future project, I haven't gone out and DONE this, at least not in this form, so don't take what I say as gospel.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

          Suppose my .info domain got to PR3 (linked with other blogs as well), and re-register a new .info domain instead of renewing it, doesnt that mean abandoning my PR3 domain?

          Please advise. Thanks.
          Yes it would but you are a talking about building links to that domain right? matt's claiming because he has a pile of Newbie's and people somewhere on page 1 (for weak terms) testimonials you ought to forget the tried and true proven effects of high authority links and go with quantity of NA pages. So why would you build them up?

          Not only will you lose PR you would lose aging and have to wait for reindexing etc just to save a few dollars on renewal fees :rolleyes: (I mean seriously are you making money or not? but perhaps you need too many when you have no PR). Plus we haven't discussed an important issue - will you be building a network for your own use or to rent out links on. Big difference. - a pile of all .info sites would look real suspicious in a manual review. I built and build my assets for my own use.

          @LaClear Approach: Hugh quantity of backlinks with low PR and do follow? I assume the only REAL expense is getting multiple IP for hosting?
          well the other question is whether it ends up being cheaper to host higher PR domains because you don't need as many so thats another question but in the long run for either approach the hosting costs are over time the most expensive bill.

          Either way thing is does it work for what you want to rank for? You have to know that. Even on weak competition terms from what I see most people don't even really rank their sites. Theres alot of talk about front page but front page doesn't get the real traffic till you get top three.

          So personally I'd think long and hard about building my network with no authority links. I'd say mix them in and skip the sales hype. Its a solid practice.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            matt's claiming because he has a pile of Newbie's and people somewhere on page 1 (for weak terms) testimonials you ought to forget the tried and true proven effects of high authority links and go with quantity of NA pages. So why would you build them up?
            I'm not a newbie and my terms are not weak. I just outranked a site I built myself that took 6 months or so to even get to page one for all the keywords that I wanted. I sold that site and built a new site which is now outranking the old site in under 1 month and is showing up within top 3 listings for all of my keywords.

            Your remarks are pretty insulting to Matt and his customers both for a guy with no testimonials to show.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


              Your remarks are pretty insulting to Matt and his customers both for a guy with no testimonials to show.

              LOL. Get out and smell some air Suzanne. Theres the REAL SEO world outside of the WSO section. Ton loads of SEO Professional's in the real world who don't have WSOs running and therefore no mostly noname anonymous testimonials. too funny

              and I neither insulted Matt nor any of his clients. I said what he claimed about PR0 being just as good as high authority sites is nonsense. Not knowing SEO (your admission) and how ridiculous that is is not my fault but i got to kinda ROFL on me being rude over Matt. thats way funny.

              everyone says their serp is competitive but when you analyze their claims it falls through. Thats why I have asked people to show me a competitive serp with only PR NA and zeros in the top spot. No one ever has even though they don't have to show their own - you game? just know I won't buy some false metrics for what is really competitive and there shouldn't be any PR links and certainly don't point me to gambling and porn sites etc like one person tried do.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                LOL. Get out and smell some air Suzanne. Theres the REAL SEO world outside of the WSO section. Ton loads of SEO Professional's in the real world who don't have WSOs running and therefore no mostly noname anonymous testimonials. too funny

                and I neither insulted Matt nor any of his clients. I said what he claimed about PR0 being just as good as high authority sites is nonsense. Not knowing SEO (your admission) and how ridiculous that is is not my fault but i got to kinda ROFL on me being rude over Matt. thats way funny.

                everyone says their serp is competitive but when you analyze their claims it falls through. Thats why I have asked people to show me a competitive serp with only PR NA and zeros in the top spot. No one ever has even though they don't have to show their own - you game? just know I won't buy some false metrics for what is really competitive and there shouldn't be any PR links and certainly don't point me to gambling and porn sites etc like one person tried do.
                Honestly, I don't care about high priced SEO outside the WSO forum when I found low priced SEO inside the WSO forum that is achieving the results that I want. Plain and simple.

                I don't care about the do it this way or do it that way debate. Doesn't matter to me either way as long as I'm getting what I paid for.

                It's the name calling (Matt is a liar and his customers are newbies with weak terms ... things like that) that is uncalled for. So don't say that you haven't insulted anyone ... you have turned the thread from a useful thread on private blog networks to just bashing and mud slinging. I think it is you that needs a breath of fresh air.

                I wouldn't even be in this thread, as I avoid the SEO forum altogether, but unfortunately, this thread started in the main forum so here I am.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  It's the name calling (Matt is a liar and his customers are newbies with weak terms ... things like that) that is uncalled for.
                  Suzanne we can debate the issues but don't start lying. No one called Matt a liar. I said something he stated was a SEO lie - not true. People have come in here and said duplicate content gets you banned from Google and people say THAT is a lie not the person is a liar. you are the first person to use the word - liar

                  and if newbie is a name call you need to look around. There is no put down in being a newbie except that you are new to something and may not be up to speed. Do YOU have anything to tell us about building a network because up to this point YOU are the one that have added nothing but What Matt does and THAT is taking the thread OFF topic.

                  Matt and I are disagreeing on how to build a network. You aredoing nothing but cheerleading. You stated you didn't know SEO . No one is insulting you because they take you at your word.

                  who mentioned a manual review? Or are you trying to trash me now?
                  Post 66 last two paragraphs in your own post. Don't care what you are happy about. Talking about building a network. Thats the topic of the thread. I say its wrong to claim that a no pr network is as good as a high PR network.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Suzanne we can debate the issues but don't start lying. No one called Matt a liar. I said something he stated was a SEO lie - not true. People have come in here and said duplicate content gets you banned from Google and people say THAT is a lie not the person is a liar. you are the first person to use the word - liar

                    and if newbie is a name call you need to look around. There is no put down in being a newbie except that you are new to something and may not be up to speed. Do YOU have anything to tell us about building a network because up to this point YOU are the one that have added nothing but What Matt does and THAT is taking the thread OFF topic.

                    Matt and I are disagreeing on how to build a network. You are doing nothing but cheerleading.

                    Post 66 last two paragraphs in your own post. Don't care what you are happy about. Talking about building a network. Thats the topic of the thread.
                    Now you're calling me a liar. Your quotes below

                    Its a flat out lie.
                    I've accused you of making misleading statements that just happen to pitch your service in a particuar light.
                    I don't mind Matt's selling his services but we get into when he starts making claims that are not true
                    And then drumroll please ... Matt's customer are a pile of newbies chasing long tail keywords that are easy to rank for ....

                    matt's claiming because he has a pile of Newbie's and people somewhere on page 1 (for weak terms) testimonials you ought...
                    And ...

                    Talking about building a network. Thats the topic of the thread.
                    I'll share my experience with results I've gotten from a service that uses a private network with or without your permission, thank you.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      I'll share my experience with results I've gotten from a service that uses a private network with or without your permission, thank you.
                      A refresher on what this thread is about not a review thread

                      Does anyone have any good bad experiences in setting up their own network and/or any solid advice they can offer pls?
                      I'll call a spade like i see it . Didn't call anyone the name liar as you alleged but if you post that i used the liar name calling then yeah its a lie take from it what you will.

                      I have no issue with people getting results on their long tail but there is zip, zero no reason to make claims across the board like authority links are not needed in many serps. Its a flat out lie.
                      If you can't understand how a proposition can be stated as a flat out lie without calling someone a liar then you know only one definition of the word lie and heres a hint - A lie does not always hold deception.

                      here read number three

                      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie



                      My last post with anything not in reference to building a network
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        My last post with anything not in reference to building a network
                        Well, that will be a refreshing change.
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          • Profile picture of the author bmemmott
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            matt's claiming because he has a pile of Newbie's and people somewhere on page 1 (for weak terms)
            For someone who constantly trashes Matt and his "attitude" you are a d**k yourself. It seems like every time you post you have to find some way to sneak in an insult aimed at Matt and his team. Let it go dude... What Matt is doing works, for me and hundreds of other people.

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            just to save a few dollars on renewal fees :rolleyes: (I mean seriously are you making money or not? but perhaps you need too many when you have no PR).
            Must be nice to have an unlimited budget, if money is of no object to you why are you even on this forum?

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            a pile of all .info sites would look real suspicious in a manual review.
            Not to me. I only care that it works, could give a sh**t less how.
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      • Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        For 50 domains you would need 5-10 separate c class ip's. Which would fall under the cheapest hosting plans of every seo host you check out.


        You do not need to reregister a domain once it expires. Just clone it and add it to a new .info domain. Works like a charm.
        Hey Matt,

        What do you mean by "Just clone it"? Detailed answer is much appreciated
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by SyndicateMarketing View Post

          Hey Matt,

          What do you mean by "Just clone it"? Detailed answer is much appreciated
          What we do is make a copy of the site onto a fresh domain. That way the links we generate stay active without us having to reregister the existing domain at a higher rate.

          I just did a quick search on Google looking for more info regarding how to do this quickly.

          Here it is:

          Clone Wordpress | Clone A Blog
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          • Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

            What we do is make a copy of the site onto a fresh domain. That way the links we generate stay active without us having to reregister the existing domain at a higher rate.

            I just did a quick search on Google looking for more info regarding how to do this quickly.

            Here it is:

            Clone Wordpress | Clone A Blog
            Thanks for your answer but... How can backlinks pointing to those expired .info domains stay active? You can't 301 them to new domains, because previous domains are expired.

            Or you don't care about backlinks pointing to your expired .info domains and just clone your blogs with content on new domains?
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            • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
              Originally Posted by SyndicateMarketing View Post

              Thanks for your answer but... How can backlinks pointing to those expired .info domains stay active? You can't 301 them to new domains, because previous domains are expired.

              Or you don't care about backlinks pointing to your expired .info domains and just clone your blogs with content on new domains?
              Google still counts the link juice coming from the links even though it is technically a second site with duplicate content. But every time we have done this the link juice has stayed in tact.
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              • Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                Google still counts the link juice coming from the links even though it is technically a second site with duplicate content. But every time we have done this the link juice has stayed in tact.
                Cool, thanks a lot
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              • Profile picture of the author markowe
                Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                Google still counts the link juice coming from the links even though it is technically a second site with duplicate content. But every time we have done this the link juice has stayed in tact.
                I think the asker was saying what happens to links TO those properties, but as I understand it you are not bothering to backlink the network in any way, that's the whole point, for this model the authority of the individual blogs is irrelevant, the domains just die and only their content (and backlinks) lives on.

                Interesting discussion anyway. I think there will be plenty of room for blog network services, whether high-PR, low-PR or anything else, as this kind of setup is out of the league of most small-time IMers (or at least they think it is).
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by SyndicateMarketing View Post

                Thanks for your answer but... How can backlinks pointing to those expired .info domains stay active? You can't 301 them to new domains, because previous domains are expired.

                Or you don't care about backlinks pointing to your expired .info domains and just clone your blogs with content on new domains?
                Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                Google still counts the link juice coming from the links even though it is technically a second site with duplicate content. But every time we have done this the link juice has stayed in tact.

                I'm confused by this. Are you trying to say that the links from an expired domain are still being counted by Google?

                Or that these brand new links carry the same weight that the old links did?

                Neither one seems possible.
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              • Profile picture of the author frogman
                Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                Google still counts the link juice coming from the links even though it is technically a second site with duplicate content. But every time we have done this the link juice has stayed in tact.
                So you aren't building back links to your infos?
                If so, you are basically throwing all those back links away each time you dump the info and transfer the content to another info?

                BTW, this has been a very interesting thread (minus the pissing contest).
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                • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  I'm confused by this. Are you trying to say that the links from an expired domain are still being counted by Google?

                  Or that these brand new links carry the same weight that the old links did?

                  Neither one seems possible.
                  Yes...the brand new links carry as much weight (eventually) as the initial site had. You'd be surprised at a few other things too I think that goes against what conventional seo is teaching these days. Mainly regarding no follow links. But I do not want to share too much on that quite yet.

                  Originally Posted by frogman View Post

                  So you aren't building back links to your infos?
                  If so, you are basically throwing all those back links away each time you dump the info and transfer the content to another info?

                  BTW, this has been a very interesting thread (minus the pissing contest).
                  At the end of every month my team exports every link submitted and then backlinks them via another network we have set aside for that purpose. So every single link that we submit gets backlinked again at the end of every month.

                  So the only juice we lose on transfers are via the secondary backlinks.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    Yes...the brand new links carry as much weight (eventually) as the initial site had. You'd be surprised at a few other things too I think that goes against what conventional seo is teaching these days. Mainly regarding no follow links. But I do not want to share too much on that quite yet.
                    This only happens when the link age of the new site matches the link age from the old domain.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    Yes...the brand new links carry as much weight (eventually) as the initial site had. You'd be surprised at a few other things
                    Not a single soul is surprised at the new link "eventually" aging :rolleyes:. Matt just messed up the answer and mislead the poor guy asking in order to sound like he knows some secret sauce.

                    Absolutely no link juice from the other domains stay in tact. nada. pure fabrication. all that happens is that he backlinks the new site with the few backlinks he did with the old one. They carry the same weight eventually because matt doesn't do anything much to build the pages to begin with. Totally misleading to a very direct question.

                    If you had dropped blog comments where the comments have been closed, written articles you posted to directories, done any kind of permanent backlinking or received any backlink to the domain in question you would lose ALL that juice when the site is expired. Google does not count the old link as he asserted it merely count the new links he puts to the new page- nothing at all that violates "conventional SEO". Thats just straight Guru posturing nonsense.

                    Not sure with over "$50,000 per month to spend" why you would let old domains go just to save the dollars at renewing them and have to duplicate the sites, rebacklink, index and age them etc (while your customers on those domains get less effect) while losing any external permanent backlinks you had received but for me I don't find that dollar amount and those actions credibly consistent.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
                      Dear All,

                      I very much include Matt and Mike too :-)

                      Matt, you did suggest you would be willing to help if questions were posted. I hope you can.

                      Also Mike, I would be interested in hearing your views on this too and see if there is much difference with Matt on this strategy implementation.

                      We want to expand our little Private Blog Network and really go for it, with an eye on the costs obviously. I certainly don't mind paying a few thousand dollars initially and then scaling it up.

                      We currently have 30 or 40 sites mainly in different niches and another few hundred key word rich domains which I want to build out. Most of these can be used to support our main 10 or so money sites.

                      But I have a few questions on what you think is the best strategy regarding my questions below.

                      1) Firstly, it seems rather vital to make sure any google footprint is kept to a minimum. So is there a low cost way to do this?

                      2) Different IP's for each domain costs money. If hosting sites individually, instead of using a reseller package of some kind also costs quite a bit of money.

                      What's the most cost effective way of doing this?

                      Say we want 100 sites in our network, is there a cheap way to get 100 different IP's and host these?

                      3) Should each site in the blog network only be used once to link to a money site?

                      4) I presume it doesn't matter if a site links out to multiple money sites. Is this ok?

                      5) Let's say that there are 100 blogs in the network and 10 money sites, does that mean each money site should only get 100 links back, or can it be mixed up even more than that?

                      6) Should every domain name also have privacy turned on (and paid for)?

                      7) How closely relevant should the blog network be to the money sites?

                      8) Spun content makes sense, but would you post the spun content to each site in the blog network, or try to mix up the content more randomly?

                      9) Can some content be added to the blog network by using some autoblogging software, or will this not be unique enough?


                      Thanks guys.

                      Sam
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                        Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

                        1) Firstly, it seems rather vital to make sure any google footprint is kept to a minimum. So is there a low cost way to do this?

                        2) Different IP's for each domain costs money. If hosting sites individually, instead of using a reseller package of some kind also costs quite a bit of money.

                        What's the most cost effective way of doing this?

                        Say we want 100 sites in our network, is there a cheap way to get 100 different IP's and host these?

                        3) Should each site in the blog network only be used once to link to a money site?

                        4) I presume it doesn't matter if a site links out to multiple money sites. Is this ok?

                        5) Let's say that there are 100 blogs in the network and 10 money sites, does that mean each money site should only get 100 links back, or can it be mixed up even more than that?

                        6) Should every domain name also have privacy turned on (and paid for)?

                        7) How closely relevant should the blog network be to the money sites?

                        8) Spun content makes sense, but would you post the spun content to each site in the blog network, or try to mix up the content more randomly?

                        9) Can some content be added to the blog network by using some autoblogging software, or will this not be unique enough?
                        I just set up a 100 high PR blog network last week and I'll tell you what I did.

                        Note: This is a separate network than my 3000+ site network.

                        1) Don't interlink. Don't use the same content, themes, IPs on all sites. If linking to a site, drip it.

                        2) I bought 100 IPs (with hosting included) for $198/mo. That comes out to $2 per month for each site having its own IP and includes hosting.

                        3) Doesn't matter as long as it isn't an obvious buffer site with all content linking to money site. Look natural.

                        4) Yep.

                        5) Can be mixed.

                        6) Yes.

                        7) Not terribly important, just make sure the content around the links is relevant.

                        8) Depends on how well it's spun. I'll typically use at least 5 articles for the 100 sites, so basically 1 article goes to 20 sites.

                        9) You can do that, but there's a lot of techniques I don't want to get into and am not willing to share on how this would benefit you or hinder you.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Hi steadyon

                        Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post


                        1) Firstly, it seems rather vital to make sure any google footprint is kept to a minimum. So is there a low cost way to do this?
                        Sure mix in some wordpress sites with some html sites. skip the all .info junk. thats a dead give away especially if you start chucking it with a whole lot of spun content and links. If you get something like Dreamweaver or expression web (and you can now pay for dreamweaver for as low as $19 a month) you can create sites with zero footprint. Frankly Its a breeze to change templates (free or get hundreds for less than $50) and change text. I fidn i easier to work with than wordpress in certain ways. You set up your ftp account once within dreamweaver and no more logins to change content or make any kind of changes plus everything is backed up on your computer. Your foot prints can be as different as there are website designs . I even setup some Elgg, drupal and anything a autoinstaller can easily install. You could look at some of my sites and never see anything different from another backlink profile. Critical in high stakes serps where your competition won't bat an eyelid about reporting you.

                        2) Different IP's for each domain costs money. If hosting sites individually, instead of using a reseller package of some kind also costs quite a bit of money.
                        Frankly that s the most laborious part to me. Finding hosting. I refuse to put even a substantial part of my network with one host and the SEo hosts tend to be mostly dreadful with only one or two exceptions. its not unheard of for some of them to be down for days. So I use Seo hosting along with hosting companies that have multiple datacenters. Plus I have customers in different countries and that helps with local rankings. Webhosting talk is fantastic for finding hosting deals.

                        Say we want 100 sites in our network, is there a cheap way to get 100 different IP's and host these?
                        Well Matt claims he puts ten on one IP but Most SEOs I know wouldn't want to push more than 2 and frankly I prefer to go for 1. So this is the nature of the beast. Ips can't be had for pennies. Theres a limit on the amount available. however if you go the Pr route you can get a few people who want links even for your private network and that pretty much can pay for hosting. I'm not talking about something like MAtt's network. I am talking private. My OBL is SUPER low. Most sites below 15. Goes too without saying clients pay more but My sites do NOT look anything like some home page backlinks sites

                        3) Should each site in the blog network only be used once to link to a money site?
                        Not necessarily . its quite natural for a site to link to a site they like more than once over time

                        4) I presume it doesn't matter if a site links out to multiple money sites. Is this ok?
                        Do sites that are natural link to more than one site? thats the guiding principle and so yes its quite fine. I would mix up links and yes because I go Low OBl anyway I'll link to non money sites for diversity that are not even mine.

                        5) Let's say that there are 100 blogs in the network and 10 money sites, does that mean each money site should only get 100 links back, or can it be mixed up even more than that?
                        Again what ever is natural works. I have linked to the same the with two different keywords to two different pages on the money site. there is nothing that indicates that a site talking about another site cannot ever link more than once. Make your navigation good and you can utilize interior pages as well.

                        6) Should every domain name also have privacy turned on (and paid for)?
                        YES AND YES

                        7) How closely relevant should the blog network be to the money sites?
                        You'll get difference opinions here but I don't care about the relevancy of the site. I care only about the relevancy of the post or article around the link.

                        8) Spun content makes sense, but would you post the spun content to each site in the blog network, or try to mix up the content more randomly?
                        I'm an abberation. I make enough money off of my sites and special treatment of my clients that my network doesn't do as much spinning as others here might

                        9) Can some content be added to the blog network by using some autoblogging software, or will this not be unique enough?
                        Whatever works for you. there are ways around content depending on what you want. Some private networks who don't use their network as a rental service allow guest bloggers and get completely unique content. its wide open what you want to do and how you want to fill the site with content. Just weigh the pros and cons.

                        Hope I was of some assistance Sam.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    Yes...the brand new links carry as much weight (eventually) as the initial site had.

                    Ok, on this I can agree. A PR 0 site that is brand new is almost equally as powerless as a PR 0 site that is one year old, so you are not losing anything there.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                      Ok, on this I can agree. A PR 0 site that is brand new is almost equally as powerless as a PR 0 site that is one year old, so you are not losing anything there.
                      Domain age is pretty irrelevant, but link age is very relevant to how powerful a link is.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                      Ok, on this I can agree. A PR 0 site that is brand new is almost equally as powerless as a PR 0 site that is one year old, so you are not losing anything there.
                      Mike Kudos

                      I am literally LOL. So if you start at nothing the juice carries over. I love it . Its the perfect response. This is turning into one of my favorite threads ever.

                      Only thing is that was not what the poor soul was asking when he was led astray.

                      Sigh, if only I can show Matt's work for one of my sites. It is a two words keyword in a competitive MARKET, not niche, and my site is at number #3.
                      Someone once did show their site and I did look up the backlinks before the thread was locked down (probably cause it was like a sales ad thread) so I have seen a part of the network and I have seen the terms people were goign after and it WAS weak stuff. So believe me your thinking it is a competitive term doesn't mean it really is.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by SyndicateMarketing View Post

              Thanks for your answer but... How can backlinks pointing to those expired .info domains stay active? You can't 301 them to new domains, because previous domains are expired.

              Links to an expired domain that you do not renew CANNOT pass any Juice to your new site. THATS A LOAD OF GRADE A ROTTING BALONEY.

              Google still counts the link juice coming from the links even though it is technically a second site with duplicate content. But every time we have done this the link juice has stayed in tact.
              What the????? I've read this exchange several times.Somebody please tell me that He did not just say that links to an expired domain continue to give you juice on a new domain. Somebody PLEASE tell me I read that wrong. or have I fallen into the twilight zone
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Yeah, I don't think one need get TOO paranoid about multiple IPs. You can start with a cheap package like the 5 IP one here: Shared SEO Hosting ? Shared IP Hosting (not aff. link). Still, it IS an investment, but easily recouped, one would think.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Yeah, I don't think one need get TOO paranoid about multiple IPs. You can start with a cheap package like the 5 IP one here: Shared SEO Hosting ? Shared IP Hosting (not aff. link). Still, it IS an investment, but easily recouped, one would think.
      The problem we had with them was the fact our sites kept going down regularly. They take a bit to rectify issues too. But they are one of the cheapest seo hosts around though.
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    • Profile picture of the author kpnoor
      Yes i did that too! and its now 3 years over and we have total 3k site in our network including my client's site as i sell website for leaving.

      But you need to keep in mind that you need separate hosting and separate domain account. Cos if google track you then google start deindxing site.

      I can say that cos that happen me to ... so i follow it by my own idea and now its over....

      Best of luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    This could be a good thread, and I know some of us were really interested in this subject... but NOW it turned out to a nonsense.

    I am out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Fernando you are getting too emotional. The point of dispute between Matt and I is EXTREMELY important to building a network. It is NOT off topic. Its one of the first strategy questions you have to ask yourself.

      Do you buy a pack of .Info and utilize NA links etc or do you go the way the OP is going by getting websites with authority.

      That is a critical choice you need to make in building a network. I chose the Ops strategy and it allows me to go after any serp not just relatively weak competition. Now of course you have to really build it out to go after the strongest of the strong but generally speaking some high authority links even if you decide to go with Infos also is going to do you nothing but good. It is not an SEO myth that authority links help you rank. Things you will need to do is learn how to acquire aged domains with authority and existing links. Lots of ins and outs so you don;t get ripped off.

      But with the N/A zero approach what is there more to learn? Buy the Info domains set them up with the ability to let AMR post to them and you are off to the races. Only question that takes anything to figure out is hosting since the majority of SEO host stink. Some of them go down days at a time.

      So bottom line is if all you are interested in is setting up new .info domains then this thread doesn't have much further to go. Its extremely easy and not much more to it but if you want to build some stronger networks down the line (as the OP started this thread out with) then theres more to learn but not if you buy that all you need is a weak network for everything and thats my point and why its an important issue when deciding how you want your network built.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    bmemmott welcome to WF. Look foward to the day when over half your posts are not Matt related and in SEO a manual review isn't something you do its what Google does to you. besides that carry on regardless
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    • Profile picture of the author bmemmott
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      bmemmott welcome to WF. Look foward to the day when over half your posts are not Matt related and in SEO a manual review isn't something you do its what Google does to you. besides that carry on regardless
      who mentioned a manual review? Or are you trying to trash me now?

      At this point is seems like over half of YOUR posts are Matt related.

      I am very happy with Matts service, should I not let other people know that? For a couple hundred bucks he is doing what I got quoted between $4,000 and $10,000 a month for by the big guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
    Sorry for all the questions, but how does a 'private network' works exactly (in diagram).

    Suppose I have 3 sites (A,B,C), do they interconnect with one another? or do they point to the next site respectively (A->B->C) or they all point to the money site directly?

    Thanks in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author MrDack
      Bllimey opened up a hornets' nest here and only slightly related to my original post.

      Back on topic, well I've started registering my domains, some new, some aged and I'm currently looking at c class hosting. I've a few ideas for filling these sites with content, AMR is amongst them.

      As for high\low PR domains as a requirement, well, I guess like everything else in IM, don't take the word of anyone as gospel, take advise onboard and go try for yourself - and that's just what I'm gonna do.

      Thanks for the input folks, sorry to see people getting so riled, personally, I haven't the spare time to get the hump with anyone
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      • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
        Let us know how it works out for you.

        I do wonder whether you are making a bunch of general blogs/sites or a bunch of niche ones? Do you have groups of topics/themes? Or just a whole bunch of general topic websites?

        Originally Posted by MrDack View Post

        Bllimey opened up a hornets' nest here and only slightly related to my original post.

        Back on topic, well I've started registering my domains, some new, some aged and I'm currently looking at c class hosting. I've a few ideas for filling these sites with content, AMR is amongst them.

        As for highlow PR domains as a requirement, well, I guess like everything else in IM, don't take the word of anyone as gospel, take advise onboard and go try for yourself - and that's just what I'm gonna do.

        Thanks for the input folks, sorry to see people getting so riled, personally, I haven't the spare time to get the hump with anyone
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        • Profile picture of the author MrDack
          Originally Posted by Lyanna View Post

          Let us know how it works out for you.

          I do wonder whether you are making a bunch of general blogs/sites or a bunch of niche ones? Do you have groups of topics/themes? Or just a whole bunch of general topic websites?
          I'll be kicking off with general blog sites then aiming more towards niche sites. IMO, niches sites could carry a bit more 'clout' than general blogs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

      Suppose I have 3 sites (A,B,C), do they interconnect with one another? or do they point to the next site respectively (A->B->C) or they all point to the money site directly?
      For the most part you avoid linking them together and send them straight at your money site (unless you want to strengthen a page that is linking to your home page)

      Originally Posted by MrDack View Post


      Back on topic, well I've started registering my domains, some new, some aged and I'm currently looking at c class hosting. I’ve a few ideas for filling these sites with content, AMR is amongst them.
      Don't overlook web hosts with multiple datacenters. Site5 for example has over ten. Two added benefits are that you can use some of them to help rank in regional search engine centers and if one goes down they don't all go down together. Depending on some SEO hosts its pretty close in price.
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      • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        For the most part you avoid linking them together and send them straight at your money site (unless you want to strengthen a page that is linking to your home page)
        Thanks again, Mike.
        May I ask how is that a 'network' then, if they are all pointing individually to a specific page?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

          Thanks again, Mike.
          May I ask how is that a 'network' then, if they are all pointing individually to a specific page?
          Well they are really under your network. they can interlink as well but you would want to be careful with that since you don't want to have a easy pattern showing. some people actually have domains that don't link to their money page. They exist to bolster up the other pages linking to the money site. So theres more than one way to do it but that depends on whether you hold to the idea that you can build authority (which almost all the SEo world holds to and has proven over and over again)
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          • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Well they are really under your network. they can interlink as well but you would want to be careful with that since you don't want to have a easy pattern showing. some people actually have domains that don't link to their money page. They exist to bolster up the other pages linking to the money site. So theres more than one way to do it but that depends on whether you hold to the idea that you can build authority (which almost all the SEo world holds to and has proven over and over again)
            So in general, I will be optimizing each blog (building up its PR and ranking itself - or even creating a linkwheel for it), then using it to POINT DIRECTLY to my money site?

            Isnt that like one BIG link pyramid then?
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

              So in general, I will be optimizing each blog (building up its PR and ranking itself - or even creating a linkwheel for it), then using it to POINT DIRECTLY to my money site?

              Isnt that like one BIG link pyramid then?
              No skip the linkwheel

              So even with having a budget of over $50k a month every month to play with we still register only .info's.
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      • Profile picture of the author MrDack
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Don't overlook web hosts with multiple datacenters. Site5 for example has over ten. Two added benefits are that you can use some of them to help rank in regional search engine centers and if one goes down they don't all go down together. Depending on some SEO hosts its pretty close in price.
        Might have to go this route, not having much joy in finding a decent SEO host with some good reviews. Cclasshosting was recommended to me but then found some bad reviews on BackLinksForums
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by Nathy Curiel View Post

      Can we get back on private blog network. There was good info coming in about private networks and now it's more a debate /fight. Please focus back on the private network. I never thought of owning a private blog network. For the first time really use full information is shared with us.
      I make myself available to anyone wanting more information on how to put a successful blog network together. Just ask them right here on the thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author mitoshthewarrior
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        I make myself available to anyone wanting more information on how to put a successful blog network together. Just ask them right here on the thread.
        I'd love to take you up on that. I would really appreciate it if you could answer any or all of these questions.

        I had a few questions as this is something I want to do as well.

        If you want to start small (50-100 sites) and grow, what is a better option for posting than AMR?

        What is the ideal content to use, plr, new articles, plr w/ spinning, new articles spun?

        How close does this content have to match the keyword, exact niche or general topic? For example, if you were ranking for "Best Web Hosting" could you mash it into an article on WordPress Configuration or does it have to specifically be on topic for "Web Hosting". I'm thinking how to manage this on a larger scale and minimize the amount of thinking.

        How do you distribute links, if you want to juice IANA &mdash; Example domains do you send it to a certain percentage of your sites and keep pumping those sites with the link until you see improvement?

        If you had a network of 200 sites, and you are trying to pump IANA &mdash; Example domains, how often would you post content for that url and how many sites each iteration.

        Is the only way to manage how much content goes to which sites is to have something custom written?
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  • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
    I am thinking of buying some high PR expired domains (PR3+) for my new private network project. What do you guys think? Is it worth it? Or should I build it up myself?
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

      I am thinking of buying some high PR expired domains (PR3+) for my new private network project. What do you guys think? Is it worth it? Or should I build it up myself?
      Last year we purchased over $5000 worth of aged domains via auctions at Godaddy. All of which had verified pr's of 3 - 5. We set them up on the network and were hugely disappointed with the juice they generated. So even with having a budget of over $50k a month every month to play with we still register only .info's.

      If high pr blogs were more beneficial we'd still have them in the mix.
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      • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        Last year we purchased over $5000 worth of aged domains via auctions at Godaddy. All of which had verified pr's of 3 - 5. We set them up on the network and were hugely disappointed with the juice they generated. So even with having a budget of over $50k a month every month to play with we still register only .info's.

        If high pr blogs were more beneficial we'd still have them in the mix.
        Thanks.
        Out of curiosity, what makes a bunch of PR3-PR5 domains less effective than a bunch of PR N/A or PR0 .info domain?

        I am confused.
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

          Thanks.
          Out of curiosity, what makes a bunch of PR3-PR5 domains less effective than a bunch of PR N/A or PR0 .info domain?

          I am confused.
          It literally costs less than $2 to get a .info domain. It takes about 5 minutes of work to set up a hosting account and get Wordpress installed and the nameservers changed.

          It is entirely scalable.
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          • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
            Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

            It literally costs less than $2 to get a .info domain. It takes about 5 minutes of work to set up a hosting account and get Wordpress installed and the nameservers changed.

            It is entirely scalable.
            I understand,
            but due to its age and PR N/A status, wouldnt that be LESS effective than using a PR3 domain, in theory?

            But yeah, buying an expired domain on the other hand is also alot of work, but I was kindda expecting it to be more effective ?
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            • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
              Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

              I understand,
              but due to its age and PR N/A status, wouldnt that be LESS effective than using a PR3 domain, in theory?

              But yeah, buying an expired domain on the other hand is also alot of work, but I was kindda expecting it to be more effective ?
              I learned that instead of buying a domain with a pr 3 for $100 it was easier and more effective to create 100 pr 0 sites instead.

              Sure a pr 3 site might be more effective than a pr 0 site. But how many times better? 5 times? 10 times? Maybe, maybe not.

              But 100 times more effective?

              I think not.
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              • Profile picture of the author MrDack
                Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                I learned that instead of buying a domain with a pr 3 for $100 it was easier and more effective to create 100 pr 0 sites instead.

                Sure a pr 3 site might be more effective than a pr 0 site. But how many times better? 5 times? 10 times? Maybe, maybe not.

                But 100 times more effective?

                I think not.
                I'm gonna go with a majority of aged domains for my first 50 site network, see how that pans out. Once I've streamlined my processes, I'll start a 2nd separate network using Matt's approach with new domains only and see how the two compare.

                Like I said before, if you're in this game to stay, you've gotta test for yourself.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by MrDack View Post

                  I'm gonna go with a majority of aged domains for my first 50 site network, see how that pans out. Once I've streamlined my processes, I'll start a 2nd separate network using Matt's approach with new domains only and see how the two compare.

                  Like I said before, if you're in this game to stay, you've gotta test for yourself.
                  Best of luck to you. Once you have built both networks you won't look back. Matt's statements are simply not credible. .infos carry no magic - seems to me like marketing talk to back up WSOs. Unfortunately people have a tendency to believe what they sell and distort the facts to fit. I have yet to add authority links with low OBL to a site with solid content (on page will always be a factor especially post Panda) and not seen the impact over a bunch of N/A blogs (essentially the same exact thing as what matts is proposing).

                  In fact to test things out anyone wanting to save the hosting cash should just open up a bunch of free blog accounts and test it that way. No significant difference provided you are not going to go fully in with hundreds of Infos or you can use some of those to keep the price lower.
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                • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                  Originally Posted by Nathy Curiel View Post

                  Do you fill the blogs with spun articles ?

                  thanks
                  Yup with anchor text resource boxes added to them of course.

                  Originally Posted by prawnballs View Post

                  Assuming you are using Wordpress across all these blogs, how do you keep track of updates etc? Are they all individual installs, or are you running clusters of reverse proxies all pointing back to a single port separated multi-site install? That would keep things much more manageable IMO.
                  We do individual installs.

                  Originally Posted by MrDack View Post

                  I'm gonna go with a majority of aged domains for my first 50 site network, see how that pans out. Once I've streamlined my processes, I'll start a 2nd separate network using Matt's approach with new domains only and see how the two compare.

                  Like I said before, if you're in this game to stay, you've gotta test for yourself.
                  Throughout this thread I have been attacked for sharing what has worked for us. Folks think I am advocating using my approach to setting up a blog network. I would prefer none of you did actually. I like having the strongest blog network on the Warrior Forum. It's a fact that has made me an awful lot of money.

                  But I am pretty sure no one has ever produced a blog network that has pumped out as many page one rankings as our system has. I see all this debating go on about quality content and aged domains and folks like Mike attacking my system stating that it is impossible for my network to work so therefore I must be scamming folks.

                  But the fact of the matter is we are probably not only grabbing more page one rankings than any other seo vendor in the world but also grossing more in monthly revenue.

                  How did I build such a business in less than 15 months?

                  Mainly because of the speed in which we are expanding our network. If we were able to generate over 5000 page one rankings for non long tail keywords in the last 15 months just think what it will be like when our network reaches the 10,000 mark.

                  Setting up aged domains is like planting a garden. You just cannot rush the process.

                  Even when you have an aged network set up you still have to rely on autospun articles for the content on them. Unless of course you plan on writing unique articles for each blog post. Then you might as well write the unique content and post them on web 2.0 properties instead of on your own network. That way you won't have to worry about covering up the footprints left by a network.

                  Best of luck all the same.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    Unless of course you plan on writing unique articles for each blog post. Then you might as well write the unique content and post them on web 2.0 properties instead of on your own network. That way you won't have to worry about covering up the footprints left by a network.

                    Best of luck all the same.
                    Lol! This is exactly what I do (unique content on Web 2.0).
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    Mike attacking my system stating that it is impossible for my network to work so therefore I must be scamming folks.

                    .
                    Point of clarification Matt because I know you love to mischaracterize posts so you can get them deleted. Mike said your network is fine at what it is. No mention of scamming. It simple does not work for anything but lower competition. Now if you want to claim that people should build networks your way because you are the world's greatest network havng ranked more people than anyone in the world

                    Then ok. You open the door to anaylyze the network to see if it is a good model as you claim.

                    A) I have already covered the cost problems with it USING your own numbers. it cost more long term, requires you to put up more (garbage) content, builds up no equity in your domains and fails to allow you to leverage other significant link building techniques .

                    B) You can't show any high competition serps where your strategy works. I have shown in the serps multiple times where your claims do not hold up. and guess what? the serps have millions examples to your "testimonials"

                    C) Frankly your network as a model ranks far less sites than you claim. You've just redefined what ranking is to suit. In the real SEO world ranking is getting to where the traffic is (positions 1-3) not first page. Thats what I HAVE to deliver to ALL my customers or they say goodbye. Position 5 on down get very little traffic (less than 5% of the clicks). So once we correct your redefining what ranking is your numbers plummet dramatically and your claim that your network built your way has "more sites ranked than anyone in the world" () goes bust and thats even after some clients have to pick keywords they initially had no interest in (to make up 5). So as a way to build a network it isn't as rosy as you claim. Plus built your way your network doesn't guarantee the serps will even last more than a day (QDF must be sweet for you though)

                    5% of long tail is really long long tail results
                    Who builds a network to rank anywhere but (1-3) and that won't guarantee they will even maintain first page for more than a few days (if that much).

                    Thats why the seasoned marketers don't go strictly off testimonials. We have all bought products that had ton loads of them and had to ask for refunds because we have higher standards than the thousands who are new.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                      This is right on the nose.

                      I wasn't going to call LaClear out for his selling "tactics" since I understand where he's coming from as a WSO seller but he pretty much provoked us by repeatedly taunting his $75k/month income from ranking people #8-#10, not making them money.

                      Matt, please respond. Why would people build a private network of PR0 blogs when they could just post an article to UAW and get the same results for cheaper?

                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Point of clarification Matt because I know you love to mischaracterize posts so you can get them deleted. Mike said your network is fine at what it is. No mention of scamming. It simple does not work for anything but lower competition. Now if you want to claim that people should build networks your way because you are the world's greatest network havng ranked more people than anyone in the world

                      Then ok. You open the door to anaylyze the network to see if it is a good model as you claim.

                      A) I have already covered the cost problems with it USING your own numbers. it cost more long term, requires you to put up more (garbage) content, builds up no equity in your domains and fails to allow you to leverage other significant link building techniques .

                      B) You can't show any high competition serps where your strategy works. I have shown in the serps multiple times where your claims do not hold up. and guess what? the serps have millions examples to your "testimonials"

                      C) Frankly your network as a model ranks far less sites than you claim. You've just redefined what ranking is to suit. In the real SEO world ranking is getting to where the traffic is (positions 1-3) not first page. Thats what I HAVE to deliver to ALL my customers or they say goodbye. Position 5 on down get very little traffic (less than 5% of the clicks). So once we correct your redefining what ranking is your numbers plummet dramatically and your claim that your network built your way has "more sites ranked than anyone in the world" () goes bust and thats even after some clients have to pick keywords they initially had no interest in (to make up 5). So as a way to build a network it isn't as rosy as you claim. Plus built your way your network doesn't guarantee the serps will even last more than a day (QDF must be sweet for you though)

                      5% of long tail is really long long tail results
                      Who builds a network to rank anywhere but (1-3) and that won't guarantee they will even maintain first page for more than a few days (if that much).

                      Thats why the seasoned marketers don't go strictly off testimonials. We have all bought products that had ton loads of them and had to ask for refunds because we have higher standards than the thousands who are new.
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                      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                        Originally Posted by uniches View Post

                        This is right on the nose.

                        I wasn't going to call LaClear out for his selling "tactics" since I understand where he's coming from as a WSO seller but he pretty much provoked us by repeatedly taunting his $75k/month income from ranking people #8-#10, not making them money.

                        Matt, please respond.
                        So now we only get #8 - #10 rankings? Now we're not making our clients any money?

                        Don't confuse my business with your own.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                          Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                          So now we only get #8 - #10 rankings? Now we're not making our clients any money?

                          Don't confuse my business with your own.
                          Sure, instead of answering legit points that Mike raised you resulted to ad-hominem attacks. I'm out.
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                          • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                            Originally Posted by uniches View Post

                            That's right, instead of answering legit points that Mike raised you resulted to ad-hominem attacks. I'm out.
                            I repeat back to you what you erroneously stated about us and now it's an attack? I no longer see Mike's posts and will not answer them indirectly via yours either. I'm sure his points against me were as erroneously as the rest he has made against my business.

                            Because I do not want every thread the two of us post on to become a bicker contest from him to me I added him to my ignore list. It was very refreshing too.

                            So far I counted several attacks to come against my system right here on this thread. Yet the number of testimonials we had come in during that same time is far larger.

                            Jealousy is a very ugly thing in a marketer. I suggest any "seo expert" instead of attacking my system should try to beat it fair and square in the market place. Put all your collective seo brilliance together and put a service together that beats mine.

                            I'll be waiting. Got the guts?

                            It seems if my service was as ****ty as you say I'd be easy to take down in the marketplace. Right?

                            Or maybe, just maybe I happen to know what I'm talking about.

                            Anyone else wanting questions answered regarding how to put a network together like ours is more than welcome to post their questions and I'll do my best to answer them.
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                            • Profile picture of the author MrDack
                              Can I ask Matt who you use\recommend for hosting? The SEO hosts seem to get a bad name in terms of reliability and support.

                              Going for a 1:10 in IP Addreses means that several standard hosting accounts with the larger firms could be an viable option?
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                              • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                                Originally Posted by MrDack View Post

                                Can I ask Matt who you userecommend for hosting? The SEO hosts seem to get a bad name in terms of reliability and support.

                                Going for a 1:10 in IP Addreses means that several standard hosting accounts with the larger firms could be an viable option?
                                One of my biggest concerns regarding using seo hosting for our network was the fact that at any time Google can easily blacklist every domain associated with the limited number of ip addresses that each hosts offer. So we played with the idea of using shared hosting accounts at a ratio of 5:1.

                                But now we are using several different hosts. Check out Indianets Hosting : Cheapest SEO Hosting, Multiple C Class IP Hosting | Cheapest Web Hosting in India | Reseller Web Hosting as they are very solid to work with.
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                                • Profile picture of the author MrDack
                                  Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                                  One of my biggest concerns regarding using seo hosting for our network was the fact that at any time Google can easily blacklist every domain associated with the limited number of ip addresses that each hosts offer. So we played with the idea of using shared hosting accounts at a ratio of 5:1.

                                  But now we are using several different hosts. Check out Indianets Hosting : Cheapest SEO Hosting, Multiple C Class IP Hosting | Cheapest Web Hosting in India | Reseller Web Hosting as they are very solid to work with.
                                  Yeh, that's one of my concerns that has cropped up, hence I like the idea of using several standard hosting accounts (alhough it could turn out the more expensive option).

                                  Cheers Matt, I'll have a read through Indianets bumph.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                                    Originally Posted by MrDack View Post

                                    Yeh, that's one of my concerns that has cropped up, hence I like the idea of using several standard hosting accounts (alhough it could turn out the more expensive option).

                                    Cheers Matt, I'll have a read through Indianets bumph.
                                    Well if Google ever does go on the war path against seo hosts the cost of hosting networks will go up a bit. But you can find shared hosting plans for pretty cheap. But when that happens blog networks will truly be underground and totally undetectable as a whole.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                              Don't be so cocky. Like I said, ranking 5000 sites at #8-#10 isn't really something you should really be proud of, how many of these are actually making money ranking #1-#3?

                              Just because YOU have made $75k off of your WSO doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. WSO success is all about selling, and you DO know how to sell, I'll give you that much.

                              Thousands of testimonials? I've seen one-push-button products with more testimonials, and the only guy that made money was the seller. I'm all about educating people about the truth and if you think it's jealousy, you're dead wrong.

                              There's a reason why your backlinks hardly get indexed.

                              and another reason why you refused to answer Mike's question.

                              p/s: if you don't like people be about your business, don't insinuate that everybody else make less than you.

                              p/s/s: I don't want to bicker back and forth with you either so I'm out for real this time.

                              p/s/s/s: I'll take you on your "build something better than me" challenge but what will this be judged on? Number of testimonials, amount of profit, or number of #1 rankings on Google achieved by clients?

                              All the best.

                              Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                              I repeat back to you what you erroneously stated about us and now it's an attack? I no longer see Mike's posts and will not answer them indirectly via yours either. I'm sure his points against me were as erroneously as the rest he has made against my business.

                              Because I do not want every thread the two of us post on to become a bicker contest from him to me I added him to my ignore list. It was very refreshing too.

                              So far I counted several attacks to come against my system right here on this thread. Yet the number of testimonials we had come in during that same time is far larger.

                              Jealousy is a very ugly thing in a marketer. I suggest any "seo expert" instead of attacking my system should try to beat it fair and square in the market place. Put all your collective seo brilliance together and put a service together that beats mine.

                              I'll be waiting. Got the guts?

                              It seems if my service was as ****ty as you say I'd be easy to take down in the marketplace. Right?

                              Or maybe, just maybe I happen to know what I'm talking about.

                              Anyone else wanting questions answered regarding how to put a network together like ours is more than welcome to post their questions and I'll do my best to answer them.
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                              • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                                Originally Posted by uniches View Post

                                Don't be so cocky. Like I said, ranking 5000 sites at #8-#10 isn't really something you should really be proud of, how many of these are actually making money ranking #1-#3?

                                Just because YOU have made $75k off of your WSO doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. WSO success is all about selling, and you DO know how to sell, I'll give you that much.

                                Thousands of testimonials? I've seen one-push-button products with more testimonials, and the only guy that made money was the seller.

                                I'm all about educating people about the truth and if you think it's jealousy, you're dead wrong.

                                There's a reason why your backlinks hardly get indexed.

                                and another reason why you refused to answer Mike's question.

                                p/s: if you don't like people be about your business, don't insinuate that everybody else make less than you.
                                Success in the wso forum does not come by being good at selling. Once a thread has been active for awhile it becomes about results. Warriors purchase from me not because I am a good salesman but rather because I deliver results.

                                Our backlinks get indexed all the time. In fact we have a new package out that comes with 5000 guaranteed indexed links. Not sure how you and Mikey are going to attempt to explain that away. But I'm sure you won't disappoint.

                                I didn't come on to this thread to pitch my service. In fact having the self disabled sig file is actually costing me sales.

                                I'm here to share my system with those who want to replicate it. Then all of a sudden it became a pissing match. Having had that happen to me on several other threads with Mike I made the decision that enough was enough. So I blocked him.

                                Now as soon as I do get accused of hiding from him.

                                If you ask me that seems very troll like behavior.

                                The fact so many folks are sharing misinformation on the topic has finally prompted me to tell Warriors what really works in this business.

                                As soon as I did I was attacked and told publicly my system was a scam for dumber Warriors to fall into.

                                In a he said she said debate the proof always comes down to the pudding. I presented my pudding.

                                Now I'm not exactly sure what your role is continuing Mike's assault on us I can tell you that I now have two people added to my block list. I'm not here to debate or defend my system. Though I do so love doing both. I can rock on this sort of thing all day and all night long. But not on this thread.

                                Best of luck to you though.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                              I suggest any "seo expert" instead of attacking my system should try to beat it fair and square in the market place. Put all your collective seo brilliance together and put a service together that beats mine.
                              .
                              Sigh. We (SEOs collectively) already have. Here is the SEO marketplace

                              Google

                              Not the WSO section where people sell all kinds of good and bad products with "testimonials"

                              Here take a look in the real marketplace for SEO

                              make money online - Google Search

                              backlinks - Google Search

                              backlinks - Google Search

                              See your N/a .info network ranking at the top?

                              Again on the topic of this thread - Where is the page that ranks number one or two for a truly competitive term using nothing but a PR N/a .info link network which you claim is the best in the world?


                              THEY.....DO.....NOT .....EXIST.

                              Therefore such a network is not only not the best in the world its garbage to SEOs that have to rank for terms their clients pick and at #1-#3.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MrDack
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    Throughout this thread I have been attacked for sharing what has worked for us. Folks think I am advocating using my approach to setting up a blog network. I would prefer none of you did actually. I like having the strongest blog network on the Warrior Forum. It's a fact that has made me an awful lot of money.
                    I certainly appreciate your input Matt. Like I said, I don't take anyone's word as gospel but I listen to good advice and try it for myself. High\low PR, who knows for sure, but you do appear to be running a very successfull SEO company, and that's proof enough that your approach is working for you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

              I understand,
              but due to its age and PR N/A status, wouldnt that be LESS effective than using a PR3 domain, in theory?

              But yeah, buying an expired domain on the other hand is also alot of work, but I was kindda expecting it to be more effective ?
              HERE SEOFARMER - A COST EFFECTIVENESS ANALYSIS -

              It is more effective - far more than Matt is claiming. Theres some serious issues with his math. A) as anyone who knows about buying domains if he bought PR3s last year they DID NOT sell for $100 unless you didn't know what you were doing. So that claim is dubious at best. Not believing that someone who invested last year was regularly paying $100 for a PR3. Even after the price increases that started to hit In january I have picked up PR3s THIS year for $60 (but yes they have gone up some) and on that schedule he would have been paying mullah for any PR5 he claims to have bought (like a thousand or more)

              Second 100 PR2s would be the cost of two PR3s using his prices not one as he is alluding to. Second you are going to have to spend more money to host each .info N/A so the price differential is going to spike on you.

              A Pr 3 is going to be worth much more than ten times an N/A but I guess I am happy that FINALLY there is an admission that a high PR link is more valuable. So you know what? lets use the ten times (not buying it - just using it)

              and lets say you get charged for 10 Ips for your .INfos at a 1.50 per month so thats 18 a year each or $180 for ten as opposed to One PR3 for i'll say 3.00/month at a cheap reliable host of which I know many for $36 per year.

              Looks to me like the PR3 just smoked the 10 .info N/A even in cost effectiveness.

              It will cost me $136 for the PR3 and hosting and $180 plus $20 for the .Infos plus I have to add privacy on them as well with most hosts. AND THATS JUST THE FIRST YEAR.

              The following year my cost is going to be ONE renewal and the hosting on ONE domain. On a dotcom total $48 or so. cost of the Infos to host? Same if not more than the $180 in the first year

              PLUS having a High PR domain also means you have value (resale and otherwise) in that domain and you can leverage it to build more links through link exchanges and parallel links. Plus you can sell links on PR site above and beyond links you use for ranking. And for every ten pages of content you only have to have one.

              So as you can see Matt's "system" is good when you compare it to nothing but itreally is not optimal, effective or even cost efficient going forward. Plus no one can show a truly competitive serp with a site with just PR N/A links holding it at number one. Again forget the advice to skip PR domains and build yourself a REAL network. Want to throw in some of that junk to begin with fine but don't go with the no pr bad advice when building your own network.

              As you can see it makes no sense long term.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

      I am thinking of buying some high PR expired domains (PR3+) for my new private network project. What do you guys think? Is it worth it? Or should I build it up myself?
      Buying is faster but still takes some work. I'm too impatient to build them up myself.

      You just want to make sure you are not getting screwed. Use something like RankChecker.com to make sure the PR is not faked.

      Also check it at Whois Lookup & Domain Availability Search | DomainTools to make sure the domain never got dropped.

      Lastly, analyze the backlinks. It may have had great backlinks that have since disappeared. Make sure they still exist or you might buy a PR 3 that goes to a PR 0 on the next update. Also, I prefer to stay away from sites that look like they are holding a decent PR just because of one really good link. I've seen PR 4's that have some crappy PR 0 and n/a links and one PR 6 backlink. If that PR 6 link disappears, you probably now have a PR 2 or less on your hands.
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      • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Buying is faster but still takes some work. I'm too impatient to build them up myself.

        You just want to make sure you are not getting screwed. Use something like RankChecker.com to make sure the PR is not faked.

        Also check it at Whois Lookup & Domain Availability Search | DomainTools to make sure the domain never got dropped.

        Lastly, analyze the backlinks. It may have had great backlinks that have since disappeared. Make sure they still exist or you might buy a PR 3 that goes to a PR 0 on the next update. Also, I prefer to stay away from sites that look like they are holding a decent PR just because of one really good link. I've seen PR 4's that have some crappy PR 0 and n/a links and one PR 6 backlink. If that PR 6 link disappears, you probably now have a PR 2 or less on your hands.
        After fooling around with scrapebox the past 30 mins, i found a PR3 link with ONE PR4 backlink (URL pagerank - on page).

        I am still debating if its worth it. I dont have any experience with this at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

      I am thinking of buying some high PR expired domains (PR3+) for my new private network project. What do you guys think? Is it worth it? Or should I build it up myself?
      Seofarmer, and everyone else

      Go to google and type in some keywords of what you think off hand would be very lucrative keywords to rank for. tell me how often you see a site ranking number one with ONLY links with zero or N/A PR (grab a free copy of SEo Spyglass. you can check it with that) links

      Don't let anyone hoodwink you. Look for yourself at tens of serps and ask yourself why these terms have PR links ranking them.

      Here I use this one all the time. Its the number one term used to sell PRo and NA links a few years back.

      backlinks - Google Search

      Check it out and see who is blowing smoke. My goodness even angela has PRed links.

      Proof is in the serps. In the serps people can't misrepresent, misspeak or hide the factors that cause ranking. You can see everything in the serps. If somebody cannot show you in the search engines then take it with a grain of salt.

      If you have the wherewithal get some authority links and don't make anyone tell you otherwise. You can mix those in with whatever else you want to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathy Curiel
    Thanks Matt for being back in the thread. This is the best thread I am seen here till now.
    I was afraid you left this thread.

    What keep of amount of blogs would be sufficient for a private blog network ?
    50 or 100 ? or more ..

    thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by Nathy Curiel View Post

      Thanks Matt for being back in the thread. This is the best thread I am seen here till now.
      I was afraid you left this thread.

      What keep of amount of blogs would be sufficient for a private blog network ?
      50 or 100 ? or more ..

      thanks
      We started out with 200 sites on our network. But if you went the AMR route you should have no problem generating decent juice with just 50 sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        We started out with 200 sites on our network. But if you went the AMR route you should have no problem generating decent juice with just 50 sites.
        Can you please expand this a little more?
        So we make 50 blogs, use AMR to distribute those 50 blogs with SPUN articles?
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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

          Can you please expand this a little more?
          So we make 50 blogs, use AMR to distribute those 50 blogs with SPUN articles?
          Yes, AMR has a feature that allows you to import your own blogs.
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    And how are you fulling the blog with info. Are all blogs different or do you post the same post on them ?
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    Mike you're fighting a battle not worth fighting bud. Let them learn the hard way.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      Mike you're fighting a battle not worth fighting bud. Let them learn the hard way.
      My company did learn the hard way, that's why we now only use .infos.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        My company did learn the hard way, that's why we now only use .infos.
        You didn't learn the hard way because you still haven't learned. Even using your own numbers betrays your approach being effective as I demonstrated in my last Post. I have no doubt as a service seller getting a bunch of no PR .info is pretty easy especially when you have no presuure to rank a site in ANY given time period or even get a number 1 or 2 spot (or even three). Its even easier to get a bunch of people who don't know SEo and haven't tried much to rank their sites to think .Infos are the cat's meow but its the wrong way for people building their own network as I have clearly demonstrated all of its lacks Iincluding the ability to rank for truly competitive terms and the higher long term costs.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          You didn't learn the hard way because you still haven't learned. Even using your own numbers betrays your approach being effective as I demonstrated in my last Post. I have no doubt as a service seller getting a bunch of no PR .info is pretty easy especially when you have no presuure to rank a site in ANY given time period or even get a number 1 or 2 spot (or even three). Its even easier to get a bunch of people who don't know SEo and haven't tried much to rank their sites to think .Infos are the cat's meow but its the wrong way for people building their own network as I have clearly demonstrated all of its lacks Iincluding the ability to rank for truly competitive terms and the higher long term costs.
          Mike, I have read enough of your accusations that we do not rank for anything with any competition. You have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about, you have zero data to make these accusations in short you are talking out of your rear end.

          It is time for you to finally, once and for all, PROVE your repeated accusations that we can only rank for "golden toothbrush slingshots" or some other such ridiculous keyword. If you value your integrity it is time for you to either admit you are talking out of your rear end or produce some data that we can look at.

          Put up or shut up.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post


            It is time for you to finally, once and for all, PROVE your repeated accusations that we can only rank for "golden toothbrush slingshots" or some other such ridiculous keyword.
            There is no money in those, but I hear that silver toothbrush slingshots are all the rage right now.


            Honestly, I think it would benefit everyone to see the two models put up against eachother and see which one achieves the highest rankings after 3 months, 6 months, and if they maintain them after 12 months.

            We all might learn something from that.
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            • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              There is no money in those, but I hear that silver toothbrush slingshots are all the rage right now.


              Honestly, I think it would benefit everyone to see the two models put up against eachother and see which one achieves the highest rankings after 3 months, 6 months, and if they maintain them after 12 months.

              We all might learn something from that.
              It's not just about posting mass links on pr 0's. It's what you do with the links once they're posted that counts for just as much. So testing our system against any other would be unfair as it would be incomplete if we were not allowed to complete the other steps that make up our system. That's why I think it is humorous that so many attack our system the way they do when they really have no idea at all what we have brewing in our seo labs.

              Imagine networks created to back up other networks. Then a third network backing up them both up.

              So we reinforce the hell out of the links we submit.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                It's not just about posting mass links on pr 0's. It's what you do with the links once they're posted that counts for just as much. So testing our system against any other would be unfair as it would be incomplete if we were not allowed to complete the other steps that make up our system. That's why I think it is humorous that so many attack our system the way they do when they really have no idea at all what we have brewing in our seo labs.

                Imagine networks created to back up other networks. Then a third network backing up them both up.

                So we reinforce the hell out of the links we submit.
                I won't speak for mike grant, but I do not think he would have a problem with that.he is probably doing something similar.
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                • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  I won't speak for mike grant, but I do not think he would have a problem with that.he is probably doing something similar.
                  Plus, no offense. What's in it for us? I would never expose my network that way. I have too many Warriors I'm running campaigns for that it would potentially jeopardize. That's just not going to happen.

                  Usually competitors want links to your network for only one reason.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
                Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                It's not just about posting mass links on pr 0's. It's what you do with the links once they're posted that counts for just as much. So testing our system against any other would be unfair as it would be incomplete if we were not allowed to complete the other steps that make up our system. That's why I think it is humorous that so many attack our system the way they do when they really have no idea at all what we have brewing in our seo labs.

                Imagine networks created to back up other networks. Then a third network backing up them both up.

                So we reinforce the hell out of the links we submit.

                Hey Matt,

                Big fan of your service. We've ran over 15 campaigns with your guarantee 1st page service and half of them are on the 1st page for competitive keywords already (including SEO Seattle)!

                Can you elaborate more on what you mean by "It's what you do with the links once they're posted". What exactly do you do to the links after posting?

                Also about the comment "Imagine networks created to back up other networks. Then a third network backing up them both up." Are you saying that you have 3 networks, 2 of which work just to pass linkjuice to the blogs in the network above them?

                Thanks!
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

                  We've ran over 15 campaigns with your guarantee 1st page service and half of them are on the 1st page for competitive keywords already (including SEO Seattle)!
                  See, this is where a lot of the argument starts. You say that SEO Seattle is competitive. I would say that on a scale of 1-10 in difficulty with 10 being the most difficult, that SEO Seattle is about a 2 or a 3. I do not see it as competitive at all.

                  It's a difference of opinion in what is competitive, but there are not many "local" terms that I would consider even remotely difficult to rank for.
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                • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                  Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

                  Hey Matt,

                  Big fan of your service. We've ran over 15 campaigns with your guarantee 1st page service and half of them are on the 1st page for competitive keywords already (including SEO Seattle)!

                  Can you elaborate more on what you mean by "It's what you do with the links once they're posted". What exactly do you do to the links after posting?

                  Also about the comment "Imagine networks created to back up other networks. Then a third network backing up them both up." Are you saying that you have 3 networks, 2 of which work just to pass linkjuice to the blogs in the network above them?

                  Thanks!
                  That would be our secret sauce. Sorry I cannot share the secret ingredients to it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    That would be our secret sauce. Sorry I cannot share the secret ingredients to it.
                    Oh bummer. Are you willing to answer these questions:

                    - What do you do to get the backlink pages indexed.
                    - What system do you use to automate your huge blog network. Do you use AMR? With your system are you able to schedule drips to the blog network?

                    Thanks
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                    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                      Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

                      Oh bummer. Are you willing to answer these questions:

                      - What do you do to get the backlink pages indexed.
                      - What system do you use to automate your huge blog network. Do you use AMR? With your system are you able to schedule drips to the blog network?

                      Thanks
                      We do regular backlinking of the backlinks that we submit. We put huge amounts of juice into this because it allows us to really open up our link output without directly jeopardizing our clients sites. Plus it keeps the link profile hidden beneath the surface.

                      So what we do on that level is absolutely massive and for the most part completely invisible.

                      Which is one ingredient of our sauce.

                      So another thought I had about the high pr network would be to place one original article with a contextual anchor text backlink embedded in it. Then post that same article as syndicated content to 30% of the rest of the blogs in the high pr network. Then unleash holy hell with our current system backlinking those blogs. Sort of a hybrid of the two systems. We have already shown the ability to be able to produce massive link juice on a daily basis using our system. Others have had success using the high pr approach.

                      What if the two were combined? It would be completely spam free and one mother of a link juice system.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
                        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                        We do regular backlinking of the backlinks that we submit. We put huge amounts of juice into this because it allows us to really open up our link output without directly jeopardizing our clients sites. Plus it keeps the link profile hidden beneath the surface.

                        So what we do on that level is absolutely massive and for the most part completely invisible.

                        Which is one ingredient of our sauce.

                        So another thought I had about the high pr network would be to place one original article with a contextual anchor text backlink embedded in it. Then post that same article as syndicated content to 30% of the rest of the blogs in the high pr network. Then unleash holy hell with our current system backlinking those blogs. Sort of a hybrid of the two systems. We have already shown the ability to be able to produce massive link juice on a daily basis using our system. Others have had success using the high pr approach.

                        What if the two were combined? It would be completely spam free and one mother of a link juice system.
                        I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?

                        Again, can you share the software you personally use to automate drip feeding to your blog network?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                          Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

                          I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?

                          Again, can you share the software you personally use to automate drip feeding to your blog network?
                          That's how high quality his links are :rolleyes:
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                        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                          Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

                          I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?

                          Again, can you share the software you personally use to automate drip feeding to your blog network?
                          Yahoo Site Explorer is no longer valid as it is being phased out. I guess you'll just have to take our word for it that we do what we say we're doing. We use a variety of software to post to our blog. AMR and Link Farm are a couple of them.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

                          I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?
                          Hi Daniel theres no mystery way to hide backlinks as Matt is implying. the only thing that can throw anyone off are redirects. So there are only three choices.

                          A) it isn't being backlinked
                          B) a redirect is being used
                          C) the nature of the links is such that Yahoo doesn't care for them.

                          and yes in adition to all that no backlink checker reports everything. I don't know if its a coincidence but every since I heard they were closing down I have found them a little slow in picking up links

                          Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                          Besides, you and your brother should get on the same page. He's made it abundantly clear earlier in the thread that your PR N/A links are as valuable as a high PR link. Afterall, your experience and testing has shown this.

                          Yeah they might as well admit it and then the issue would go away. We are hearing all kinds of excuses now but it doesn't change what was clearly said before point blank- they tested high PR domains with $5,000 worth of purchase and their test results indicate that they didn't work would and even with $50,000 they woud buy nothing buy PR N/A. two days later "wallah" now thy will.

                          anyway Since there is no juice from a a pr n/a my guess would be the "secret sauce" (which does not exist in SEO) is a PR network that they oops just forgot to mention before. Why? we know full well theres no juice running an N/a to an N/a page.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                            and yes in adition to all that no backlink checker reports everything. I don't know if its a coincidence but every since I heard they were closing down I have found them a little slow in picking up links
                            You aren't the only one seeing this. YSE has just about become useless. Older campaigns have our links in them but the newer ones just don't pick them up in YSE when we know for a fact that they are indexed.
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                        • Profile picture of the author mitoshthewarrior
                          Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

                          I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?

                          Again, can you share the software you personally use to automate drip feeding to your blog network?
                          You will likely have more luck using Majestic SEO's Fresh Index. Yahoo Site Explorer is on the way out.
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            • Profile picture of the author BenJackson
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              There is no money in those, but I hear that silver toothbrush slingshots are all the rage right now.


              Honestly, I think it would benefit everyone to see the two models put up against eachother and see which one achieves the highest rankings after 3 months, 6 months, and if they maintain them after 12 months.

              We all might learn something from that.
              It would be a fantastic learning tool, but impossible to administer. What stop them from doing additional link building? How would they do it without comprising their networks?

              I think the only way to really know the answer would be to create both networks for yourself and test. A very expensive and time consuming task, or you could just weigh the theory and arguments laid out by the warriors in this thread.

              P.S. I have been the proud owner of position #1 for "crazy zebra princess" for a few weeks now crazy zebra princess - Google Search
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

            Mike, I have read enough of your accusations that we do not rank for anything with any competition.
            You clean made that up is what you mean. I said tht PR n/As do not by themselves rank in truly competitive terms. Thats been my challenge and its pertinent to how to build a network -VERY . Don't bother making any challenges if you can't meet any. Show me a highly competitive term that ranks number one in the serps using just Pr0 .infos. Thats what I said. I don't like my words being twisted because frankly i suspect that s being done to try and have stuff deleted. I've seen how that goes.

            I've said show it in the serps. Plain and simple. You are trying to change what I said to suit some purpose. Never said "do not rank for anything with any competition". Thats a total fabrication

            anyway waiting for the serps that proves your point since we are in "put up or shut up" mode as you indicated.

            Are you making this accusation as well, Mike? Please provide the data if that is the case.
            perhaps if you spent time reading rather than trying to modify statements you might have seen where I point blank earlier said I did NOT think that was the case in tis situation. What I have listed is a whole variety of reasons why generally testimonials by themselves do not prove issues in regard to SEO as your brother has been trying to claim as a justification for building a network only one way and claiming all other conventional SEOs are wrong.

            Now if you would like to take a more constructive slant than claiming that all others SEos are wrong and you hold the greatest network in the world then by all means do it but don't pretend that Matt didn't get this ball a rolling by claiming his had THE way to build a network and that Conventional SEOs were not to be listened to.
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            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              You clean made that up is what you mean. I said tht PR n/As do not by themselves rank in truly competitive terms. Thats been my challenge and its pertinent to how to build a network -VERY . Don't bother making any challenges if you can't meet any. Show me a highly competitive term that ranks number one in the serps using just Pr0 .infos. Thats what I said. I don't like my words being twisted because frankly i suspect that s being done to try and have stuff deleted. I've seen how that goes.
              Mike, you are the one making accusations. You are the one responsible for those accusations you are also responsible for backing them up OR we can safely assume you are talking out of your rear end.
              I've said show it in the serps. Plain and simple. You are trying to change what I said to suit some purpose. Never said "do not rank for anything with any competition". Thats a total fabrication
              Ok, change "any" to whatever term you choose it doesn't matter whatsoever. You need to back up your accusations or we can all dismiss it as baseless assertion, period.
              anyway waiting for the serps that proves your point since we are in "put up or shut up" mode as you indicated.
              Whats my point? That you are making a baseless assertion against our business. How do you know our clients keywords? We keep our clients information confidential and to disclose that to "put up" to someone who himself has made baseless accusations is just not going to happen.

              "You beat your wife!"

              "No I don't"

              "Prove it"

              "I don't need to prove it"

              Back up your assertions, or admit you made them up.

              perhaps if you spent time reading rather than trying to modify statements you might have seen where I point blank earlier said I did NOT think that was the case in tis situation.
              Then you shouldn't mention the possibility in this context. Our testimonials are real and by real people so even mentioning that they can be faked is dishonest since in your prior sentence you mentioned Matt's name.

              What other logical inference are we to come to? That our testimonials are real? Or that they may be faked?
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                Our testimonials are real and by real people so even mentioning that they can be faked is dishonest since in your prior sentence you mentioned Matt's name.

                What other logical inference are we to come to? That our testimonials are real? Or that they may be faked?

                Marc your blathering. I mentioned a whole slew of reasons why testimonials in general not MAtt's/your testimonials are not the gold standard of proof and you picked out one. Unfortunately for what you are trying I made it very clear earlier I was not implying any of those to a particular situation.

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                I and others have told you more than once - WSO testimonials are not reliable to us (and yet I am not claiming that you made them up just they just are seldom a good indicator).
                So no however you read that I was not implying lies to a particular WSO. I wouldn't know one way or the other. I neither believe nor disbelieve. I directly stated the experience that WE all have had at buying WSOs that turned out to be false . heres a hint - never bought yours - so could I be talking in particular about yours? Nope. So cut the attempt to try and mischaracterize what was said so you can try to cut off dissent. thats tired and this isn't a WSO thread.

                If you are going to represent that all conventional SEOs are wrong and you run the "best network in the world" with .info N/As in a thread in this section expect to be called on it and have proof to back it up beyond running a WSO. Those who object are not newbs. We've been here years. We've all seen popular WSOs pages long for profile links, forum links, link spam tools. new drop down dead SEO "secrets" and they all have had wonderful testimonials but were not very good. I stand by the statement that testimonials are a poor way to do SEo testing no matter what you and Matt self servingly claim.

                Now like I said - dont offer challenges after not being able to take them. Show me in the serps where is a truly competitive serp ranking number with just .info N/As. Testimonials are not how SEO is proven. Don't mislead people further.

                Whats my point? That you are making a baseless assertion against our business. How do you know our clients keywords?
                Baseless??? I've seen your network. One of your customers with Matt's blessing started a thread but he ended up posting his url and askign us to follow the results. Looks like the thread was too selly so it was deleted but hey I am handy with a backlink checker Figure out yet how I could see some of the keywords and you have no point ?
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                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Marc your blathering. I mentioned a whole slew of reasons why in general testimonials in general not MAtt's/your testimonials are not the gold standard of proof and you picked out one. Unfortunately for what you are trying I made it very clear earlier I was not implying any of those to a particular situation.
                  You mentioned Matt's name then state that testimonials could be made up in the very next sentence. If you really thought they were real then there is no reason to do such a thing. By association your statement is at least hinting that our testimonials are fake. All those other reasons I am not interested in at the moment.
                  If you are going to represent that all conventional SEOs are wrong and you run the best network in the world in a thread in this section expect to be called on it and have proof to back it up beyond running WSO. I stand by the statement that testimonials are a poor way to do SEo testing no matter what you and Matt self servingly claim.
                  I'm not interested in this. I want you to back up your assertions.
                  Now like I said - dont offer challenges after not being able to take them. Show me in the serps where is a truly competitive serp ranking number with just .info N/As. Testimonials are not how SEO is proven. Don't mislead people further.
                  I'm not interested in disproving or proving anything. I want you to back up your assertions as to the competitiveness of our clients keywords.

                  We prove ourselves to our clients not to bald assertions, like the ones you have made.
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              • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                Mike, you are the one making accusations. You are the one responsible for those accusations you are also responsible for backing them up OR we can safely assume you are talking out of your rear end.

                Ok, change "any" to whatever term you choose it doesn't matter whatsoever. You need to back up your accusations or we can all dismiss it as baseless assertion, period.

                Whats my point? That you are making a baseless assertion against our business. How do you know our clients keywords? We keep our clients information confidential and to disclose that to "put up" to someone who himself has made baseless accusations is just not going to happen.

                "You beat your wife!"

                "No I don't"

                "Prove it"

                "I don't need to prove it"

                Back up your assertions, or admit you made them up.


                Then you shouldn't mention the possibility in this context. Our testimonials are real and by real people so even mentioning that they can be faked is dishonest since in your prior sentence you mentioned Matt's name.

                What other logical inference are we to come to? That our testimonials are real? Or that they may be faked?
                They are relentless bro. They don't care about facts. They're just natural born mudslingers. It's why I blocked the both of them. To many run ins like this. Best to just ignore them and do your fighting on the serps. Anything else is just posturing anyways.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                  Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                  They are relentless bro. They don't care about facts. They're just natural born mudslingers. It's why I blocked the both of them. To many run ins like this. Best to just ignore them and do your fighting on the serps. Anything else is just posturing anyways.
                  They? I assume I'm one of the two?

                  If so, serious LOL @ "do your fighting on the SERPs" when that's exactly what I challenged you to do and you backed down.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                    Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                    They? I assume I'm one of the two?

                    If so, serious LOL @ "do your fighting on the SERPs" when that's exactly what I challenged you to do and you backed down.
                    We have nothing to gain engaging in your challenge. I'm guessing that my 64 year old retired mother makes more from SEO than most SEO "experts".
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                    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                      We have nothing to gain engaging in your challenge. I'm guessing that my 64 year old retired mother makes more from SEO than most SEO "experts".
                      In fact I know she does. Go mom go!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                      We have nothing to gain engaging in your challenge. I'm guessing that my 64 year old retired mother makes more from SEO than most SEO "experts".
                      Who claims to be an expert?

                      You don't find the irony when I challenge his and your network against mine, because of his blatant bull**** saying a PR N/A link is just as good as a high PR link, he tells me to refer to his testimonials? Then, when he talks to you, he says to do the fighting in the SERPs, which is exactly what I challenged him to do.


                      Typical.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                        Who claims to be an expert?

                        You don't find the irony when I challenge his and your network against mine, because of his blatant bull**** saying a PR N/A link is just as good as a high PR link, he tells me to refer to his testimonials? Then, when he talks to you, he says to do the fighting in the SERPs, which is exactly what I challenged him to do.


                        Typical.
                        As I said there is nothing to gain by fighting you in any challenge, we've already won.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                          Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                          Won what? The fact that you use your **** network for people on WaFo while I use my network for corporate clients?

                          You guys claim to net $75k/mo from your network. Looks like I've a bigger **** there, too.
                          I'm sure.

                          Hey look we have nothing to prove so move along and I wish you all the best of luck with your LSI link thingy you got going there. I'm sure you'd be doing that if you were netting as much as you say.

                          Our system is not only our network, we do things behind the scenes that you don't need to know about.
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                            Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                            What part of FL?
                            Pinellas County.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                            I'm sure.

                            Hey look we have nothing to prove so move along and I wish you all the best of luck with your LSI link thingy you got going there. I'm sure you'd be doing that if you were netting as much as you say.

                            Our system is not only our network, we do things behind the scenes that you don't need to know about.
                            Oh, you mean the package that I'm completely hands-off with? Yeah, that pays my house payments.

                            Things behind the scenes I don't need to know about, yet you do as much as you can to try to save face explaining exactly what you do at Backlinks Forum when your entire service is being trashed because they thought it was junk? Hello pot, meet kettle.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                              Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                              Oh, you mean the package that I'm completely hands-off with? Yeah, that pays my house payments.
                              I thought I saw you respond in the thread, I guess not completely hands off. But whatever, good for you. I don't believe your claims of income but that's just me.
                              Things behind the scenes I don't need to know about, yet you do as much as you can to try to save face explaining exactly what you do at Backlinks Forum when your entire service is being trashed because they thought it was junk? Hello pot, meet kettle.
                              I have never outlined exactly what we do in any forum so you aren't dealing with facts here.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                I thought I saw you respond in the thread, I guess not completely hands off. But whatever, good for you. I don't believe your claims of income but that's just me.

                                I have never outlined exactly what we do in any forum so you aren't dealing with facts here.
                                I guess I misread then. Not wanting to go look for it, but I'll apologize if that's the case. My apologies.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                I thought I saw you respond in the thread, I guess not completely hands off. But whatever, good for you. I don't believe your claims of income but that's just me.
                                .
                                Marc for a team that has had their numbers all over the place - 4,000 and ten thousand blogs by the end of the year and then we can put up 5,000 blogs in five days plus claiming to have $50,000 a month to buy anything but letting .infos expire and then clone them just to save the Relatively few bucks to keep them and grow them no one is really buying your income claims either.

                                I realize its a shocker to get nailed on WF for misrepresenting facts as you were on backlinks forum but it was bound to happen.

                                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                Get real Mike,

                                Even if Matt just decided to build a High PR network what does that prove? Nothing.
                                .
                                You only hope most of the people reading this are so stupid they don't realize that buying high PR domains after saying two days ago you wouldn't (because you had tested it) contradicts itself and shows how poor and bogus your testing claims were.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Marc for a team that has had their numbers all over the place - 4,000 and ten thousand blogs by the end of the year and then we can put up 5,000 blogs in five days plus claiming to have $50,000 a month to buy anything but letting .infos expire and then clone them just to save the Relatively few bucks to keep them and grow them no one is really buying your income claims either.
                                  lol It doesn't matter anyway. We make what we make, I know the numbers you don't. Believe what you want.
                                  I realize its a shocker to get nailed on WF for misrepresenting facts as you were on backlinks forum but it was bound to happen.
                                  Where did I get nailed?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                        Who claims to be an expert?

                        You don't find the irony when I challenge his and your network against mine, because of his blatant bull**** saying a PR N/A link is just as good as a high PR link, he tells me to refer to his testimonials?

                        Typical.
                        Mike why bother? YOU have already won. Anyone stupid enough not to realize that Matt just completely reversed himself by now claiming to be buying 500 PR4s for a premium network after saying that he would never buy anything but .infos is a fool and won't listen to you anyway.

                        This is why WSO testimonials make such poor excuses for real credentials. Our point has been proven. What was our main complaint? That they were making up facts. What have they shown now -

                        that when they wrote they had tested and verified that high PR does not work and they would buy nothing but .info n/as they were making facts up. If they had really tested it and really found they don't work in any kind of reasonable way would they now be buying what they claimed they would not only a couple days ago? No. Case closed. any one crazy enough to listen to them when they talk again isn't doing it for any logical reason. They totally contradicted themselves and proved they have been blowing smoke and leading people astray all along.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Mike why bother? YOU have already won. Anyone stupid enough not to realize that Matt just completely reversed himself by now claiming to be buying 500 PR4s for a premium network after saying that he would never buy anything but .infos is a fool and won't listen to you anyway.

                          This is why WSO testimonials make such poor excuses for real credentials. Our point has been proven. What was our main complaint? That they were making up facts. What have they shown now -

                          that when they wrote they had tested and verified that high PR does not work and they would buy nothing but .info n/as they were making facts up. If they had really tested it and really found they don't work in any kind of reasonable way would they now be buying what they claimed they would not only a couple days ago? No. Case closed. any one crazy enough to listen to them when they talk again isn't doing it for any logical reason. They totally contradicted themselves and proved they have been blowing smoke and leading people astray.
                          Get real Mike,

                          Even if Matt just decided to build a High PR network what does that prove? Nothing.

                          Get a grip

                          I'm still waiting for your evidence for your specific claims as well.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                            Get real Mike,

                            Even if Matt just decided to build a High PR network what does that prove? Nothing.

                            Get a grip

                            I'm still waiting for your evidence for your specific claims as well.
                            It proves that we've convinced him there's more value in my type of network. It also proves how he lied, seeing as if he had tested both methods, he wouldn't be reverting back to it now at such a large scale.

                            It's a pretty linear argument that's not difficult to follow.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                              Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                              It proves that we've convinced him there's more value in my type of network. It also proves how he lied, seeing as if he had tested both methods, he wouldn't be reverting back to it now at such a large scale.

                              It's a pretty linear argument that's not difficult to follow.
                              I don't think that follows Mike.

                              Number one saying that we are buying aged domains is not saying it's a more cost effective method for SEO. We are running a business, if we can get similar results using low PR sites we will do it. Personally I think having PR definitely helps BUT I also think it's overblown a bit. Again we've ranked competitive keywords using our lower PR network plus the special sauce. This doesn't prove anything. Of course I'd prefer higher PR but it isn't essential to get good results.

                              Number two, large scale may mean something entirely different for you than it does for us. So that doesn't really prove anything either.
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                              • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                I don't think that follows Mike.

                                Number one saying that we are buying aged domains is not saying it's a more cost effective method for SEO. Personally I think having PR definitely helps BUT I also think it's overblown a bit. Again we've ranked competitive keywords using our lower PR network plus the special sauce. This doesn't prove anything. Of course I'd prefer higher PR but it isn't essential to get good results.

                                Number two, large scale may mean something entirely different for you than it does for us. So that doesn't really prove anything either.
                                If it is just us four posting I motion that this thread be closed by a mod. I just proved your attack against us was personal.

                                First our clients were called idiots. Then they only ranked easy keywords. Then only for ranks #8 - #10. Then we lied about our testimonials. Now I'm a liar because I'm expanding my business to prove I can grab page one rankings with any system we use.

                                I contribute to this forum by helping Warriors when I can. I also help it by providing a service to a very large number of Warriors that they are absolutely in love with it minus a few of the more impatient ones.

                                The only thing I see being contributed by our attackers on this thread has been attack after attack.

                                If we defend ourselves it makes us look combative. If we don't then we look like scammers because that is what we were accused of. If we let it go unanswered then we are guilty as evidenced by our silence. If we defend ourselves we are guilty in their eyes by our combativeness.

                                Are we the only ones catching on to these sort of bush league tactics?

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                                / thread (For real this time)....Anyone needing help can look me up. Anyone wanting to bash us can go for it. I'm tired and heading to bed so I'm taking my ball and leaving. Just because I rock doesn't mean I'm made of stone. (Line from a great flick by the way).

                                Now if you don't mind I have a beautiful wife who had her hair done today that I am going to go look up to see if I can cure that headache she came down with tonight. It seems a certain someone was supposed to watch a chick flick with her tonight but he never came down from his office because he was dinking around on this thread. Talk about a **** heel. Magic headache taking away fingers to the rescue! Out.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                I don't think that follows Mike.

                                Number one saying that we are buying aged domains is not saying it's a more cost effective method for SEO. We are running a business, if we can get similar results using low PR sites we will do it. Personally I think having PR definitely helps BUT I also think it's overblown a bit. Again we've ranked competitive keywords using our lower PR network plus the special sauce. This doesn't prove anything. Of course I'd prefer higher PR but it isn't essential to get good results.

                                Number two, large scale may mean something entirely different for you than it does for us. So that doesn't really prove anything either.
                                Your brother claims to have 3000 blogs. That means, on a complete whim of what's transpired in this thread, you just purchased 17% of your current network within 1 day. That's large scale.

                                Besides, you and your brother should get on the same page. He's made it abundantly clear earlier in the thread that your PR N/A links are as valuable as a high PR link. Afterall, your experience and testing has shown this.


                                Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                                Again our experience has shown otherwise.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                                  Your brother claims to have 3000 blogs. That means, on a complete whim of what's transpired in this thread, you just purchased 17% of your current network within 1 day. That's large scale.
                                  As has been pointed out there has been no purchases made, it's sort of a goal. We couldn't purchase them within a day.
                                  Besides, you and your brother should get on the same page. He's made it abundantly clear earlier in the thread that your PR N/A links are as valuable as a high PR link. Afterall, your experience and testing has shown this.
                                  On a link by link basis PR is preferable over no PR. I'm not sure if Matt has stated otherwise. But when you need to scale the low PR model is a much better option at least for us, why? Because it gets the results that our clients want and we can offer the service at a price that they are willing to pay.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                    As has been pointed out there has been no purchases made, it's sort of a goal. We couldn't purchase them within a day.

                                    On a link by link basis PR is preferable over no PR. I'm not sure if Matt has stated otherwise. But when you need to scale the low PR model is a much better option at least for us, why? Because it gets the results that our clients want and we can offer the service at a price that they are willing to pay.
                                    If Mike Grant's system is so hot then why is his wso so weak in the testimonial department? It would seem if his system was as bad ass as he says it is he'd have more than he does. But as it stands we're the vendor with the most testimonials.

                                    I'd be willing to bet that we have more testimonials than every single naysayer who has attacked our services on this thread...combined.

                                    I said it. Warriors know it.

                                    Get to counting Mike. Or should I do the counting for you?

                                    Edit: I counted 7 testimonials on your wso thread Mike Grant. We have had more than that come in today alone. Care to explain that? I thought your system rocked?
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                                      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                                      If Mike Grant's system is so hot then why is his wso so weak in the testimonial department? It would seem if his system was as bad ass as he says it is he'd have more than he does. But as it stands we're the vendor with the most testimonials.

                                      I'd be willing to bet that we have more testimonials than every single naysayer who has attacked our services on this thread...combined.

                                      I said it. Warriors know it.

                                      Get to counting Mike. Or should I do the counting for you?
                                      I don't offer my network to the public. Anyone who offers a 3100+ high PR network to the public masses is an idiot. BMR included.

                                      Again, I'm trying to put my network up against yours. You're the one running with your tail between your legs.

                                      Testimonials don't mean **** when it comes to SEO. Why are you scared to prove it in the SERPs? Hell, we can go after a highly profitable niche to make it worthwhile.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                                        I don't offer my network to the public. Anyone who offers a 3100+ high PR network to the public masses is an idiot. BMR included.
                                        Well listen to be fair if you are a service provider and thats your model then hey... but I get your drift. I mean its real easy to unravel the location of an entire network (or most of it) when you have a low price mass use business model. I don't think they really understand basic SEo stuff or Marc wouldn't continue to claim I don't know what I am talking about. As you know its really easy. Find A customer that uses the service (in my case One was posted for us to follow) . do a backlink search. see all the links on those pages and do backlink checkers on those etc etc.

                                        You get to see what people are going for by keywords easily while they claim they keep it private and we can't know what the terms are :rolleyes:. Its all so SEO 101 but it escapes some I guess.




                                        when it comes to SEO. Why are you scared to prove it in the SERPs?
                                        its not fear. Its inability to do so.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                                      If Mike Grant's system is so hot then why is his wso so weak in the testimonial department? It would seem if his system was as bad ass as he says it is he'd have more than he does. But as it stands we're the vendor with the most testimonials.
                                      You back to that junk again after just stating that we should lower the testerone and that SEo is not rocket science and we all have networks that work? That didn't last long did it? Sheesh everything in this thread screams how you like to posture instead of talk real SEO. A year ago people were buying xrummer and proclaiming the were SEO experts. Now they sell .info NAs with spun content. Wheres the big difference? they made up things as they went along claiming they tested things they never did as well. Ho hum

                                      Edit: I counted 7 testimonials on your wso thread Mike Grant. We have had more than that come in today alone. Care to explain that? I thought your system rocked?
                                      Don't be silly Matt. You come in at under a hundred dollars for a reason. No service at WF is going to get as much customers at around $300 per pop. Like has been said - its the walmart low price effect.

                                      Here go tell it to these guys - they have no testimonials here.

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                                      . i have no doubt that you could convince some people you are better than them as well because they don't have your WF testimonials. ROFL.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                    As has been pointed out there has been no purchases made, it's sort of a goal. We couldn't purchase them within a day.

                                    On a link by link basis PR is preferable over no PR. I'm not sure if Matt has stated otherwise. But when you need to scale the low PR model is a much better option at least for us, why? Because it gets the results that our clients want and we can offer the service at a price that they are willing to pay.
                                    He has stated otherwise, which is a very large reason as to why this thread blew up and went the route it did. He said to ignore conventional SEOs and that quantity > quality, and also that a PR N/A link is just as good as a high PR link. He also said he has tested this.

                                    I understand he's your brother and business partner, but you're blindly defending him without knowing what he is saying and it makes you and your business look bad. It'd benefit him and your business if you set him straight.
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                          • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                            Get real Mike,

                            Even if Matt just decided to build a High PR network what does that prove? Nothing.

                            Get a grip

                            I'm still waiting for your evidence for your specific claims as well.
                            Mainly I decided to build a high pr blog network because I can see so many Warriors are divided on this issue. So why wouldn't I create a service that allows us to cater to both sides.

                            I imagine the high pr blog service we create is going to rock as much as our main threads are. So it will create another stream of income for us. The fact that I have to explain that is sort of embarrassing.

                            I learned something from this thread on how to make more money in my business. Guess what? I learned it from the Mikes.

                            They stirred the pot sufficiently enough to let me know their is another huge market segment I haven't been touching.

                            But I assure you gentlemen, the Borg are coming.

                            Edit: Yes it is true. I am an Trekkie and will proudly stand to claim as much. Currently on season 6 episode 3 on Netflix. SNG rocks.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                              Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                              Mainly I decided to build a high pr blog because I can see so many Warriors are divided on this issue. So why wouldn't I create a service that caters to both sides.

                              I imagine the high pr blog service we create is going to rock as much as our main threads are. So it will create another stream of income for us. The fact that I have to explain that is sort of embarrassing.

                              I learned something from this thread on how to make more money in my business. Guess what? I learned it from the Mikes.

                              They stirred the pot sufficiently enough to let me know their is another huge market segment I haven't been touching.

                              But I assure you gentlemen, the Borg are coming.
                              Enjoy, I don't plan on targeting this market for my network.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                              Mainly I decided to build a high pr blog network because I can see so many Warriors are divided on this issue. So why wouldn't I create a service that allows us to cater to both sides.
                              So you will offer a network that you claimed you tested and does not work because it might make you some cash? I love it. either way it proves our point

                              The fact that I have to explain that is sort of embarrassing.
                              the fact that you seem to think Warriors are so stupid they won;t see you back pedalled on your earlier statement goes to precisely why no one should take much stock in your testimonials

                              I learned something from this thread on how to make more money in my business. Guess what? I learned it from the Mikes.

                              .
                              LOL. I'll take it . just remember we might hav taught you everything you know about SEO but we didn't teach you everything we know. Even when I was a newb I didn't get caught buying a PR 5 with one link. LOL. and of course I wouldn't have tried to pass it off as a legitimate test as you did only days ago.
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                              Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                              Mainly I decided to build a high pr blog network because I can see so many Warriors are divided on this issue. So why wouldn't I create a service that allows us to cater to both sides.

                              I imagine the high pr blog service we create is going to rock as much as our main threads are. So it will create another stream of income for us. The fact that I have to explain that is sort of embarrassing.
                              Ok, I'm really confused as I think about this. I've tried to stay on topic as much as possible, but I can't now...

                              Early on in this thread you said that you tried the high PR network and it was far less effective than your PR 0 .info network.

                              But now you are going to create a high PR network to sell to people so that you "can cater to both sides" as you put it. And in one of your posts you said this would be a "premium" product you would offer. To me, premium means higher quality and, of course, a higher price.

                              So, what it looks like to me is that you never really tried the high PR route (yet you argue against it constantly based on what you claim to be your own testing), or you did test it and are willingly going to sell an inferior product, yet at an inflated price over your other service, to people just because you can make a buck off of it.

                              Maybe it is just the cynic in me seeing that and nobody else sees it that way.

                              I'm really not trying to turn this into an attack and trying to keep it an open discussion, but you seem to really be backpedaling on the issue and contradicting yourself.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


                                Maybe it is just the cynic in me seeing that and nobody else sees it that way.

                                I'm really not trying to turn this into an attack and trying to keep it an open discussion, but you seem to really be backpedaling on the issue and contradicting yourself.
                                Its not you. There is no other logical way to take it. A few days ago the statement were emphatic ="even with $50,000 a month we would only buy .infos" because their testing showed High PRs did not work. Now its a new premium service they will be offering. Either they knew they didn't really test what they claimed or they are willing to sell what they tested and confirmed doesn't work.

                                Its not even physically possible to have tested it in the last few days. it just proves the ability and the intent to blow smoke and should make anyone now KNOW that PR networks despite what has been claimed incessantly by them not only work - they are premium as they have now confirmed by their flip flop.

                                unfortunately (for them) you can't just go out and buy 500 Pr4s as is naively assumed. its a bidding process that if you get into a bidding war could cost you much closer to half a million dollars and still would take you months or even upward of a year or more to get.

                                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                I can vouch for Fraggler's service. I've used it. Great service. Great price. Love it.
                                Yep. troy runs one of the tightest High PR networks I have seen at any price and yet his is one of the most affordable
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                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  unfortunately (for them) you can't just go out and buy 500 Pr4s as is naively assumed. its a bidding process that if you get into a bidding war could cost you much closer to half a million dollars and still would take you months or even upward of a year or more to get.
                                  Are you kidding? First I have noted that by your denial to provide evidence to back up your assertions that we don't rank for competitive keywords for our clients as an admission that you were talking out of your rear end. Our clients would have to be brain dead if this was the case to keep coming back again and again.

                                  You have no idea what you are talking about, that much is obvious. You have made baseless assertions against the quality of our service and for that, in my opinion, there should be some mod action. Please defend your baseless assertions Mike. We provide an honest service that hundreds if not thousands of clients have found value in.

                                  Also the idea that we don't know what it takes to buy aged domains and that we "naively" think we can just go out and buy them all today is absurd. Would you say that if someone announces that they are going to lose 40 pounds that they are being naive? No, it's a goal that will only can only be achieved over time.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post


                                    You have no idea what you are talking about, that much is obvious. You have made baseless assertions against the quality of our service and for that, in my opinion, there should be some mod action. Please defend your baseless assertions Mike.
                                    Marc I think that about sums up your whole purpose in this thread because you plain as day have added nothing else to it yourself. You want to recharacterize what I said in some hope it will get my posts deleted and me banned because you don't like the points that have been legitimately raised in this thread and admittedly or not hate how the evidence from your own quotes PROVES the point all the Regular SEOs in this section have made.

                                    I don't have to defend any baseless accusations. I didn't make any. I noted that I did not find many of your keywords very competitive and said that I have never seen a serp that was very competitive ranking with PR N/a. your side has repeatedly refused to show one ANYWHERE though you don't have to show your own. I then told you POINT BLANK how I had seen the terms you claimed I never could have by looking at a URL Matt participated on that was pitching his service. Further I have clarified now multiple times including posting a straight out quote of mine that I did not claim that any particular thread had made up testimonials but list that with a whole pile of other things that did not make testimonials in general the end of a SEO matter.

                                    Now in fairness I can see why you might have initially claimed that proximity of talking about Matt and then listing all the reasons why testimonials in general are unreliable meant something it didn't but this is my FOURTH TIME indicating to you that there was no such intention and again a direct quote of mine stating that was not the intention.

                                    So at this point the only baseless accusation is your own. As for the whole "we never said what we really said we were always going to build a High PR network that we were saying all along didn't work" nonsense. Hey whoever buys that is going to buy it and will buy that unicorns exist and drive number one rankings if you can get enough of them if you say so. Its pretty solid when your own posts make a point you can't claim you didn't . Call that an accusation too but next time don't make statements that lead people astray and then totally contradict yourself later. Save us all the time.
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                              • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                Ok, I'm really confused as I think about this. I've tried to stay on topic as much as possible, but I can't now...

                                Early on in this thread you said that you tried the high PR network and it was far less effective than your PR 0 .info network.

                                But now you are going to create a high PR network to sell to people so that you "can cater to both sides" as you put it. And in one of your posts you said this would be a "premium" product you would offer. To me, premium means higher quality and, of course, a higher price.

                                So, what it looks like to me is that you never really tried the high PR route (yet you argue against it constantly based on what you claim to be your own testing), or you did test it and are willingly going to sell an inferior product, yet at an inflated price over your other service, to people just because you can make a buck off of it.

                                Maybe it is just the cynic in me seeing that and nobody else sees it that way.

                                I'm really not trying to turn this into an attack and trying to keep it an open discussion, but you seem to really be backpedaling on the issue and contradicting yourself.
                                Like I said I am done with the thread as it has deteriorated into something I do not want a part of. But I will take the time to answer your passive aggressive post against us.

                                I said we tested the high pr blog approach out but the process was painstakingly slow. I wanted a system that could really punch the juice out in significant numbers mainly because I do have every intention of becoming the Wall Mart of SEO. I think services should be affordable for the average Joe's. It's a business model that has worked very well for us.

                                I explained it already. I saw that a large number of people are also interested in high pr blogs. So I'm going to offer them what they want. And I guarantee you I'll do a bang up job with it too.

                                It will be a separate service apart from what I am already doing.

                                My plan has been all along to start with the low pr sites because it is scalable. The main attack against my service is that one link from a pr 5 site is worth far more than a single link on a pr 0 site. I started with this system because it allowed us to put multiple sites up with very little work.

                                In fact I will also let the cat out of the bag regarding a little something. I knew I could not mass produce the links I needed with a high pr blog network. The process just takes too long to facilitate mass links. Because of this I went with a system that produced mass testimonials. Why so? Because in a forum setting the vendor with the most testimonials usually wins the cash.

                                Now that we have the testimonials and a huge budget to match them we're ready to expand into the high pr blog network.

                                The fact that I have to explain this pretty much tells me I need to quit hanging around in this forum. You guys do know how to sell product don't you? You do know about how to expand a business right?

                                All along I have not been married to any one system of backlinking. I just chose the approach that worked the fastest.

                                In fact I have said all along that all links produce link juice in some way or another.

                                But this isn't a contest to see who can grow the largest tomato. It's a contest who can build the largest seo empire. When the world's economy takes nose dive there will be floods of people flooding this forum looking for help on how to feed their families. When that happens the group with the most services, the most testimonials, the largest threads are going to win.

                                I prefer to spend my time working on our system to have it ready for that day. I prefer it much more to sitting here on this thread playing king of the hill.

                                So debaters go ahead and debate.

                                Attackers go ahead and attack.

                                We'll be in the background building, building, building.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Mike why bother? YOU have already won. Anyone stupid enough not to realize that Matt just completely reversed himself by now claiming to be buying 500 PR4s for a premium network after saying that he would never buy anything but .infos is a fool and won't listen to you anyway.

                          This is why WSO testimonials make such poor excuses for real credentials. Our point has been proven. What was our main complaint? That they were making up facts. What have they shown now -

                          that when they wrote they had tested and verified that high PR does not work and they would buy nothing but .info n/as they were making facts up. If they had really tested it and really found they don't work in any kind of reasonable way would they now be buying what they claimed they would not only a couple days ago? No. Case closed. any one crazy enough to listen to them when they talk again isn't doing it for any logical reason. They totally contradicted themselves and proved they have been blowing smoke and leading people astray.
                          TBH, I enjoy watching them fumble over their own words, lies, and deceptions in front of their customers.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                  They are relentless bro. They don't care about facts. T
                  We do. Thats all the three Mikes HAVE cared about. Facts - Not Smoke blowing like you have been doing. we were right too to call you on it because you have now PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt to be doing nothing but blowing smoke in this thread.

                  You told the good people only a few days ago the following

                  Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                  Last year we purchased over $5000 worth of aged domains via auctions at Godaddy. All of which had verified pr's of 3 - 5. We set them up on the network and were hugely disappointed with the juice they generated. So even with having a budget of over $50k a month every month to play with we still register only .info's.

                  If high pr blogs were more beneficial we'd still have them in the mix.
                  post 80

                  you then went on for several pages claiming you had tested it and this was THE way to go. All the while taking cracks at conventional SEO - that says high PR links are better. Now a few days later?

                  Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                  For instance I just decided to create a blog network of 500 sites using only pr 4 and higher domains that we are purchasing from auction. On the network we will only use original content that we create ourselves and then mass submit to the network. I really wouldn't of had the prompting to do it had I not participated on this thread. Basically it's the network I was going to build before I got into testing .infos. Going to be a great premium service for us for sure.
                  Now I am all for a change of heart and glad you to finally see the light but it would be obvious to a brain dead person that quote one completely contradicts post two. IF you are willing to buy hundreds of Pr4s now it is as clear as day that your claims of testing it before and it not working and being sure that infos were the only way to go was pure and absolute bunk. Now with this PR4 network you are going to have a premium service "for sure". For sure I tell you. lol

                  Its open and shut proof that you and Marc are just figuring things out as you go along. the only thing you were truly accused you of is what you just proved beyond any reasonable doubt to be 100% true - misleading people with false facts.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    We do. Thats all the three Mikes HAVE cared about. Facts - Not Smoke blowing like you have been doing. we were right too to call you on it because you have now PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt to be doing nothing but blowing smoke in this thread.

                    You told the good people only a few days ago the following

                    post 80

                    you then went on for several pages claiming you had tested it and this was THE way to go. All the while taking cracks at conventional SEO - that says high PR links are better. Now a few days later?



                    Now I am all for a change of heart and glad you to finally see the light but it would be obvious to a brain dead person that quote one completely contradicts post two. IF you are willing to buy hundreds of Pr4s now it is as clear as day that your claims of testing it before and it not working and being sure that infos were the only way to go was pure and absolute bunk. Now with this PR4 network you are going to have a premium service "for sure". For sure I tell you. lol

                    Its open and shut proof that you and Marc are just figuring things out as you go along. the only thing you were truly accused you of is what you just proved beyond any reasonable doubt to be 100% true - misleading people with false facts.
                    And it's exactly why he completely ignored my 2 posts asking for his proof of post one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathy Curiel
    Do you fill the blogs with spun articles ?

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    If you can get some pointers from folks who are doing this, using aged forums would be a great step in the right direction
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    Excellent thread! (Except the BS part)
    @ matt - im looking to setup a small network of blogs, say around 250 blogs. I'll be purchasing 50 C-class IPs, so that will be 5 blogs on each IP. Does that make sense to you? And which C-class IP hosting do you recommend?

    -- Domains will be a mixture of .com .net and .org
    -- I'm building it from scratch so I don't care about age or PR.
    -- Unique Wordpress Themes, Who Is Privacy Enabled and Unique Who Is Data
    -- Content will be all unique.
    -- I'll be building backlinks to these blogs as well, to create a strong base setup.
    -- It will be for my personal sites, im not looking to sell links on this network.

    Sounds good? You have any suggestions for improvements?
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  • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
    Question again:

    According to LaCLear's strategy as to using huge quantity of PR0/NA blogs,
    how is that different from creating a bunch of blogs on free blogging platform? (since they will be PR0/PRNA anyways? - and have them point directly to money site?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

      Question again:

      According to LaCLear's strategy as to using huge quantity of PR0/NA blogs,
      how is that different from creating a bunch of blogs on free blogging platform? (since they will be PR0/PRNA anyways? - and have them point directly to money site?

      It really isn't much different. You might as well pay $67/month for Magic Submitter or $127/month for SEnuke and just blast a bunch of Web 2.0's. It would be cheaper.
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      • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        It really isn't much different. You might as well pay $67/month for Magic Submitter or $127/month for SEnuke and just blast a bunch of Web 2.0's. It would be cheaper.
        Exactly what I thought..
        so.. that kindda killed the purpose of Private Network then eh?
        So much for it. (if we are heading for the PR0/NA approach)

        On the other hand, high PR private network is different.
        I am more interested to those but i know it takes time.

        EDIT: I guess the main benefit creating your own PR0 network is that your links will be 'dofollow' instead of 'nofollow' on free blogging platform.?
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

          Exactly what I thought..
          so.. that kindda killed the purpose of Private Network then eh?
          So much for it. (if we are heading for the PR0/NA approach)

          On the other hand, high PR private network is different.
          I am more interested to those but i know it takes time.

          EDIT: I guess the main benefit creating your own PR0 network is that your links will be 'dofollow' instead of 'nofollow' on free blogging platform.?

          Most of the free blogging platforms are dofollow as well. The downside is you do not control the sites and they could be taken away at anytime. However, for a PR 0 site, I wouldn't really care too much about that.

          I use high PR private networks, and since I started that it has completely changed by business. Getting page on rankings is easy for most keywords. I am confident though that I can put a website in the top 3 listings for anything but the very most competitive keywords. And even those are reachable, but I would need a much bigger network and to spend quite a bit.
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          • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
            Originally Posted by MrDack View Post

            I'll be kicking off with general blog sites then aiming more towards niche sites. IMO, niches sites could carry a bit more 'clout' than general blogs.
            Thanks for answering the question. I'm just thinking that a bunch of niche blogs would be easier to manage. I mean, I was thinking like high quality content but few posts (once per week) on niche blogs vs lower quality but more posts (general article blogs)...

            but apparently the type of private blogs people are talking about here use spun content.

            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            I use high PR private networks, and since I started that it has completely changed by business. Getting page on rankings is easy for most keywords. I am confident though that I can put a website in the top 3 listings for anything but the very most competitive keywords. And even those are reachable, but I would need a much bigger network and to spend quite a bit.
            Can you tell us which high PR private networks you use? or do you mean your own?
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Can you tell us which high PR private networks you use? or do you mean your own?[/QUOTE]

              Both. I have my own and I subscribe to a few on occasion. Leaves even less of a discernible footprint that way, IMO.
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              • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                Can you tell us which high PR private networks you use? or do you mean your own?
                Both. I have my own and I subscribe to a few on occasion. Leaves even less of a discernible footprint that way, IMO.
                Oh that makes sense.
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                • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                  Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post


                  1) Firstly, it seems rather vital to make sure any google footprint is kept to a minimum. So is there a low cost way to do this?

                  2) Different IP's for each domain costs money. If hosting sites individually, instead of using a reseller package of some kind also costs quite a bit of money.

                  What's the most cost effective way of doing this?

                  Say we want 100 sites in our network, is there a cheap way to get 100 different IP's and host these?

                  3) Should each site in the blog network only be used once to link to a money site?

                  4) I presume it doesn't matter if a site links out to multiple money sites. Is this ok?

                  5) Let's say that there are 100 blogs in the network and 10 money sites, does that mean each money site should only get 100 links back, or can it be mixed up even more than that?

                  6) Should every domain name also have privacy turned on (and paid for)?

                  7) How closely relevant should the blog network be to the money sites?

                  8) Spun content makes sense, but would you post the spun content to each site in the blog network, or try to mix up the content more randomly?

                  9) Can some content be added to the blog network by using some autoblogging software, or will this not be unique enough?


                  Thanks guys.

                  Sam
                  There are several ways to hide your footprints that do not cost money. Too many to list here.

                  To host 100 sites on a blog network you will need at least 10 separate c class IP's. This particular host charges $34.95 a month for that many ips: Go Pro with SEO Hosting

                  We were pleased to discover that the more we linked to a particular site on the same blog over and over again the more juice it will generate. Which flies smack dab in the face of the conventional theory being taught here on the forum.

                  We have some blogs on our network that are linking to 9000 different sites. All of which are receiving juice.

                  Not sure what you meant with your 5th question. But you can divide the money links out any way that you like.

                  Every site better have privacy turned on. Godaddy will waive the private registration fee if you bulk order the domains from them.

                  The closer the content on your blog network sites matches your money site the better results you'll receive.

                  We auto spin plr content without correcting any type of grammatical errors whatsoever.

                  If by autoblogging software you mean Article Marketing Robot or Link Farm then yes.

                  Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior View Post

                  I'd love to take you up on that. I would really appreciate it if you could answer any or all of these questions.

                  I had a few questions as this is something I want to do as well.

                  If you want to start small (50-100 sites) and grow, what is a better option for posting than AMR?

                  What is the ideal content to use, plr, new articles, plr w/ spinning, new articles spun?

                  How close does this content have to match the keyword, exact niche or general topic? For example, if you were ranking for "Best Web Hosting" could you mash it into an article on WordPress Configuration or does it have to specifically be on topic for "Web Hosting". I'm thinking how to manage this on a larger scale and minimize the amount of thinking.

                  How do you distribute links, if you want to juice IANA &mdash; Example domains do you send it to a certain percentage of your sites and keep pumping those sites with the link until you see improvement?

                  If you had a network of 200 sites, and you are trying to pump IANA &mdash; Example domains, how often would you post content for that url and how many sites each iteration.

                  Is the only way to manage how much content goes to which sites is to have something custom written?
                  We use a variety of different software to deliver the content to our blogs. AMR works great. SO does Link Farm.

                  We only use auto spun plr articles.

                  The closer the content on your blog network sites matches your money site the better results you'll receive.

                  We only post any given article to 50% of the sites on our network in order to cover our footprints.

                  We crank out 30k of article links for each server that we have. We have close to 25 at the moment. But I think setting a limit of 5000 links per site a month is a good safe number.

                  Originally Posted by timpears View Post

                  When posting articles to these blog networks, do you spin the content or not. Surly you don't post the same article to multiple blogs, do you?
                  We autospin everything.

                  Originally Posted by dirtyhair View Post

                  I watch my costs like a hawk and I have spent over $1000 on Matt's services. I think that says something for his services.

                  Great Info Matt I am soaking it up.

                  Did you ever interlink any of the sites on your network? Reason I ask is that we are big in one particular (offine) niche. Have quite a number of sites over a few cities. I would love to pass that juice around but fear that the big G may not take to it to well.

                  Thoughts?
                  I do not like backlinking blog sites to one another that are posted on the same hosting platform. So what we do is have the sites we have hosted with one vendor and backlink the sites we have from another. That way we cover our footprints very nicely.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    We were pleased to discover that the more we linked to a particular site on the same blog over and over again the more juice it will generate. Which flies smack dab in the face of the conventional theory being taught here on the forum.
                    lol. Smack Dab too I tell you.

                    As anyone who has read this thread knows no one has taught that . In my own answer to Steady I said it was fine to link more than once. The guru posturing lives on along with the claim that all other SEOs here don't know what they are talking about

                    To host 100 sites on a blog network you will need at least 10 separate c class IP's. This particular host charges $34.95 a month for that many ips: Go Pro with SEO Hosting
                    Just a warning
                    That host has some of the worst reviews

                    http://backlinksforum.com/seo-hostin...orst-ever.html
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                  • Profile picture of the author mitoshthewarrior
                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

                    We use a variety of different software to deliver the content to our blogs. AMR works great. SO does Link Farm.

                    We only use auto spun plr articles.

                    The closer the content on your blog network sites matches your money site the better results you'll receive.

                    We only post any given article to 50% of the sites on our network in order to cover our footprints.

                    We crank out 30k of article links for each server that we have. We have close to 25 at the moment. But I think setting a limit of 5000 links per site a month is a good safe number.
                    Thanks Matt!

                    Anything work better for this than AMR/Link Farm before going custom?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        It really isn't much different. You might as well pay $67/month for Magic Submitter or $127/month for SEnuke and just blast a bunch of Web 2.0's. It would be cheaper.
        Thats right. In fact any site where you could post links within context.

        Pligg
        blogs
        web 2.0
        Article sites
        press releases

        You can spin on many of those with no problems plus some will get syndicated.

        You can even round up a few free webhosts for diversity. Its all been done and yes thousands of people have had success using N/As even with just profile backlinks for weak serps. several sites on one IP is just crazy for me (unless i am a service provider without that much to lose). Locate one site and Google can track down ten site and with linking urls and cross searching someone could locate and bring down an entire network (or a good chunk of it) and thats where all the same .infos would bite you in the rear. dead giveaway
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

      Excellent thread! (Except the BS part)
      @ matt - im looking to setup a small network of blogs, say around 250 blogs. I'll be purchasing 50 C-class IPs, so that will be 5 blogs on each IP. Does that make sense to you? And which C-class IP hosting do you recommend?

      -- Domains will be a mixture of .com .net and .org
      -- I'm building it from scratch so I don't care about age or PR.
      -- Unique Wordpress Themes, Who Is Privacy Enabled and Unique Who Is Data
      -- Content will be all unique.
      -- I'll be building backlinks to these blogs as well, to create a strong base setup.
      -- It will be for my personal sites, im not looking to sell links on this network.

      Sounds good? You have any suggestions for improvements?
      Sounds like a very strong strategy. The only problem I see with your plan is why you want to use unique content instead of spun plr. You're going to all the trouble and expense to setting up a network but by using unique content your linking system is going to be extremely slow and costly. If you outsource your article writing through seogenerals.com you can get 400 word articles for around $5 a piece. Which would equate to an extra $5 per backlink you submit.

      You would be better served to take all that content and post them on squidoo and hubpages type of properties. You're not going to come close to creating a blog with pr like those sites. So posting unique content on a blog for the purpose of backlinking makes no sense to me.

      As far as the ratio of 5:1 you are proposing regarding sites to ip addresses that is fairly aggressive number. We get away with 10:1.
      Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

      Question again:

      According to LaCLear's strategy as to using huge quantity of PR0/NA blogs,
      how is that different from creating a bunch of blogs on free blogging platform? (since they will be PR0/PRNA anyways? - and have them point directly to money site?
      There are only so many free blogging platforms. Therefore a limited number of ip's to post your links on. But if you start posting spun articles on a multitude of free blog platforms you won't see any success whatsoever. Those platforms have fail safes to keep folks like us from destroying their communities. So those types of blogs get deleted very rapidly. A deleted blog equates to deleted links. The key to making it big in seo is establishing permanent links in which you can build upon.
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      • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        There are only so many free blogging platforms. Therefore a limited number of ip's to post your links on. But if you start posting spun articles on a multitude of free blog platforms you won't see any success whatsoever. Those platforms have fail safes to keep folks like us from destroying their communities. So those types of blogs get deleted very rapidly. A deleted blog equates to deleted links. The key to making it big in seo is establishing permanent links in which you can build upon.
        All I see.
        That makes sense.
        Thanks for the clarification. Appreciated.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oranges
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        As far as the ratio of 5:1 you are proposing regarding sites to ip addresses that is fairly aggressive number. We get away with 10:1
        Aggressive? I didn't get that part. you mean that your having 10 blogs on each IP and got away with it? So having 5 blogs on each ip is better?

        Regarding the unique content aspect, i have 3-4 Filipino employees that supply me decent content (not that high quality content, but works for blog networks pretty well) and that cost me $2/300-400 words. So i'm absolutely fine with that. Also, im going for unique content because it will be for long terms gains, rather than short term profits.

        Thanks for your help!
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

          Aggressive? I didn't get that part. you mean that your having 10 blogs on each IP and got away with it? So having 5 blogs on each ip is better?

          Thanks for your help!
          He means that you are being more cautious with that plan than what they do with their network.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaywebdev
    Yeah you actually nailed the best strategy that I'm implementing right now. I almost invest my money on my authority sites. Just follow what oranges posted above! You just have reveal a good strategy
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  • Profile picture of the author Seofarmer
    Is this an example of a 'private blog network'? (well, this is probably 1 out of 1000 sites on that network)

    www. youkai. info/

    Domain age seems to be from 2002 tho.
    PR3

    So this owner is going with the high PR approach? (as opposed to PR0 and quantity?)
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

      Is this an example of a 'private blog network'? (well, this is probably 1 out of 1000 sites on that network)

      www. youkai. info/

      Domain age seems to be from 2002 tho.
      PR3

      So this owner is going with the high PR approach? (as opposed to PR0 and quantity?)
      It certainly looks like one.

      IMO, the high PR approach is the only way to go if you want to get #1 rankings, which are infinitely more valuable than page 1 rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oranges
      Originally Posted by Seofarmer View Post

      Is this an example of a 'private blog network'? (well, this is probably 1 out of 1000 sites on that network)

      www. youkai. info/

      Domain age seems to be from 2002 tho.
      PR3

      So this owner is going with the high PR approach? (as opposed to PR0 and quantity?)
      Looks like a BuldMyRank type of blog, as they usually have those short 150-250 words posts. Just an assumption though, could be wrong too!
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