Does SE Nuke still work after the Panda...

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Hi Guys,
Is the SENuke still effective after the panda updates. Just registering for thousands of social media sites and getting links does not seem to be the way nowadays.

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Johan
#nuke #panda #work
  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    Is this a question? I've only used a software blast once, or I bought a couple of Fiverr gigs. At first my site took a nose dive, but then it recovered, and I just made a sale. However, I don't think it's a good idea to risk using grey-hat SEO techniques anymore, even Ezine got labelled a content farm. I don't know anything about it. If you were to try it, I'd suggest you do it very slowly.
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    • Profile picture of the author macalixter
      And off course NEVER try suspicious thecniques on your costumers websites...
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    It works, as does Magic Submitter. The key is unique content, submitting over time, not blasted. Best content though, not auto generated stuff. Spun content works, but only if you manually spin so it is readable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gdetonator
    SE nuke or any other software at that doesn't have anything to do with panda, it's more like the link properties in the software and right now, forum profiles and spammed blog comments are one of those damned properties that will get you off the competition in this post-panda race, so beware with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendon Zahrndt
    If you do not know what you are doing, that software will kill you.

    It is not newbie friendly in the sense that you're link building techniques should be very sophisticated.

    I would not advise newbies to use this service, and if you are considering outsourcing your link building to someone who does use the software, you would do well to make sure that the folks you outsource to are experts in the field of SEO.

    If other's tell you that it is simple and that it works like a charm, they are not telling you the truth. It can be a very dangerous program to use if you don't know what you are doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author lalitbansal004
      Originally Posted by dhigler View Post

      If you do not know what you are doing, that software will kill you.

      It is not newbie friendly in the sense that you're link building techniques should be very sophisticated.

      I would not advise newbies to use this service, and if you are considering outsourcing your link building to someone who does use the software, you would do well to make sure that the folks you outsource to are experts in the field of SEO.

      If other's tell you that it is simple and that it works like a charm, they are not telling you the truth. It can be a very dangerous program to use if you don't know what you are doing.
      Totally Agreed.

      Many Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
      Originally Posted by dhigler View Post

      If you do not know what you are doing, that software will kill you.

      It is not newbie friendly in the sense that you're link building techniques should be very sophisticated.

      I would not advise newbies to use this service, and if you are considering outsourcing your link building to someone who does use the software, you would do well to make sure that the folks you outsource to are experts in the field of SEO.

      If other's tell you that it is simple and that it works like a charm, they are not telling you the truth. It can be a very dangerous program to use if you don't know what you are doing.
      SENukeX is merely a tool. Without having a good knowledge of SEO, multi-layered backlinking and how to create effective customized templates then any backlinking method can be deadly in the short term.

      Over the long term your site would recover, but short term you could see some pretty bad results if you are not customizing your linking strategy.

      It is worth using a service, simply because if that is their main focus then they are putting in the time to keep up with what works, running case studies and customizing everything to keep the clients site safe.

      If you decide to outsource to a service, do some shopping around and make sure you ask questions before signing up to anything
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      • Profile picture of the author MarceMontane
        Originally Posted by JamieSEO View Post

        SENukeX is merely a tool. Without having a good knowledge of SEO, multi-layered backlinking and how to create effective customized templates then any backlinking method can be deadly in the short term.

        Over the long term your site would recover, but short term you could see some pretty bad results if you are not customizing your linking strategy.

        It is worth using a service, simply because if that is their main focus then they are putting in the time to keep up with what works, running case studies and customizing everything to keep the clients site safe.

        If you decide to outsource to a service, do some shopping around and make sure you ask questions before signing up to anything
        Totally agree
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  • Profile picture of the author eubertmo
    How about forum posting?
    Is it Panda-friendly?
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  • Profile picture of the author apoorv.parijat
    A tool is a tool, how you use it defines how much success you're going to have with it.

    If web 2.0 sites, RSS, bookmarks, et al form a part of your backlinking scheme, SENuke should help.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Forum posting is yes, but again it has to be helpful and relevant. You can't go spamming garbage. The software is good for taking the drudgery out of submission and automating tasks such as pinging, bookmarking and so on. But you have to have a solid plan first.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarceMontane
    I work doing SEnuke campaigns, and I get good comments and feedback from my customers about improvements in rankings in search engines.

    I do not blast directly to the main site, I build a web 2.0 network, and social bookmark, ping, submit the rss feeds and make backlinks with web 2.0 profiles.

    I do not do article submission, Matt Cutts says they have no value, and I do not do forum profile or blog comments, they are not Panda friendly (at least doing it automatically), if you do it manually is still actually being. (I have very bad experience testing a new service, my site dropped to the 423 position!)

    That's my point of view and experience, but please be careful and do a lot of testing
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    • Profile picture of the author chienb
      Originally Posted by MarceMontane View Post

      I work doing SEnuke campaigns, and I get good comments and feedback from my customers about improvements in rankings in search engines.

      I do not blast directly to the main site, I build a web 2.0 network, and social bookmark, ping, submit the rss feeds and make backlinks with web 2.0 profiles.

      I do not do article submission, Matt Cutts says they have no value, and I do not do forum profile or blog comments, they are not Panda friendly (at least doing it automatically), if you do it manually is still actually being. (I have very bad experience testing a new service, my site dropped to the 423 position!)

      That's my point of view and experience, but please be careful and do a lot of testing
      MM
      ^ Basically this. Good for web 2.0, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Morpheus26
      Originally Posted by MarceMontane View Post

      I do not blast directly to the main site, I build a web 2.0 network, and social bookmark, ping, submit the rss feeds and make backlinks with web 2.0 profiles.

      I do not do article submission, Matt Cutts says they have no value, and I do not do forum profile or blog comments, they are not Panda friendly (at least doing it automatically), if you do it manually is still actually being. (I have very bad experience testing a new service, my site dropped to the 423 position!)

      Just a quick question - what does "blasting" mean on your end when you do not create forum profile links or comments for backlinks?
      Let's say you have a clients site about webdesign, what would you do then - maybe you explain a little more what you do and where you do this, what tools you use in addition and so on.

      That would help me a lot. Thanks in advance.
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      • Profile picture of the author MarceMontane
        Originally Posted by Morpheus26 View Post

        Just a quick question - what does "blasting" mean on your end when you do not create forum profile links or comments for backlinks?
        Let's say you have a clients site about webdesign, what would you do then - maybe you explain a little more what you do and where you do this, what tools you use in addition and so on.

        That would help me a lot. Thanks in advance.
        I made 300-500 backlinks per single campaign, but only 10-20 webs 2.0 are pointing to the main site, if I do this links directly to the site (all the 300-500), this is blasting for me

        What I do is what I say above: webs 2.0, rss feeds, social bookmarking, pinging and web 2.0 profiles (they are like forum profiles but more PR), and what I like to do is links pyramid

        My main tool is SenukeX, but I also have AMR, Scrapebox, Xrumer, among others, but I don't use to much
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    • Profile picture of the author patrich
      Originally Posted by MarceMontane View Post

      I work doing SEnuke campaigns, and I get good comments and feedback from my customers about improvements in rankings in search engines.

      I do not blast directly to the main site, I build a web 2.0 network, and social bookmark, ping, submit the rss feeds and make backlinks with web 2.0 profiles.

      I do not do article submission, Matt Cutts says they have no value, and I do not do forum profile or blog comments, they are not Panda friendly (at least doing it automatically), if you do it manually is still actually being. (I have very bad experience testing a new service, my site dropped to the 423 position!)

      That's my point of view and experience, but please be careful and do a lot of testing
      MM
      lol to this. What makes you think that article submissions don't work? If Matt Cutts told you that jumping off a bridge would help your seo, would you do it?

      Posting to web 2.0's in Senuke is really no different than the article submissions. You load up an article and you blast it, same principles just different websites. So if your articles on the web 2.0 sites are helping your rankings, then those same articles on article sites would also help and they do.

      I run a dedicated server for article marketing robot, distribute thousands of articles a day and have no problems getting rankings. Of course I also add other things to the mix, like blasting articles out to web 2.0's and blog networks, its all article submissions, just different websites.
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      • Profile picture of the author MarceMontane
        Originally Posted by patrich View Post

        lol to this. What makes you think that article submissions don't work? If Matt Cutts told you that jumping off a bridge would help your seo, would you do it?

        Posting to web 2.0's in Senuke is really no different than the article submissions. You load up an article and you blast it, same principles just different websites. So if your articles on the web 2.0 sites are helping your rankings, then those same articles on article sites would also help and they do.

        I run a dedicated server for article marketing robot, distribute thousands of articles a day and have no problems getting rankings. Of course I also add other things to the mix, like blasting articles out to web 2.0's and blog networks, its all article submissions, just different websites.
        Yes, you're right
        I guess I use the matt cutts's excuse, because I don't like one thing in article marketing, and it's human approval of the articles, I like automatic approval, and with the web 2.0 sites you get that and you get the link in the act (yeah, I know they are also automatic approval article submission sites, like GoArticles, which I use too)

        Like I said, I have AMR in my VPS (too), but I mainly use Senuke
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      • Profile picture of the author xaby
        Originally Posted by patrich View Post

        lol to this. What makes you think that article submissions don't work? If Matt Cutts told you that jumping off a bridge would help your seo, would you do it?

        Posting to web 2.0's in Senuke is really no different than the article submissions. You load up an article and you blast it, same principles just different websites. So if your articles on the web 2.0 sites are helping your rankings, then those same articles on article sites would also help and they do.

        I run a dedicated server for article marketing robot, distribute thousands of articles a day and have no problems getting rankings. Of course I also add other things to the mix, like blasting articles out to web 2.0's and blog networks, its all article submissions, just different websites.
        care to share which article marketing robot are you using on your dedicated server?
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      • Profile picture of the author boxoun
        Originally Posted by patrich View Post

        lol to this. What makes you think that article submissions don't work? If Matt Cutts told you that jumping off a bridge would help your seo, would you do it?

        Posting to web 2.0's in Senuke is really no different than the article submissions. You load up an article and you blast it, same principles just different websites. So if your articles on the web 2.0 sites are helping your rankings, then those same articles on article sites would also help and they do.

        I run a dedicated server for article marketing robot, distribute thousands of articles a day and have no problems getting rankings. Of course I also add other things to the mix, like blasting articles out to web 2.0's and blog networks, its all article submissions, just different websites.
        You're missing a big point. Although I agree that you should test yourself and not just believewhat anybody says, article directories got the spam label from google.

        Did Wordpress or tumbler get affected from panda?

        Even squidoo is starting to see good results again.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Panda (if you believe the Google propaganda) had NOTHING to do with backlinks. It had to do with certain on-page indicators on sites that suggest a poor user experience and therefore should count against a site. It's just everybody for some reason now blames the Panda for all their ranking woes, their marriage breakup, their health problems and all the rest of it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Ignite
    ya to me it looks more like a spam program from watching the videos. It's not something I would use on my clients for sure. I think the train has passed for any spinned content..Google is becoming more sophisticated so even if it works some now, it may only be a matter of time before they catch spinners (even if done manually)...
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    • Profile picture of the author MarceMontane
      Originally Posted by Marketing Ignite View Post

      ya to me it looks more like a spam program from watching the videos. It's not something I would use on my clients for sure. I think the train has passed for any spinned content..Google is becoming more sophisticated so even if it works some now, it may only be a matter of time before they catch spinners (even if done manually)...
      SenukeX it's only an automation software, you can spam or you can promote your site in the right way

      Backlinks are not so important like used to be, but still they are in the G's algorithm formula

      Spin Text still works well for pump sites (web 2.0), but I think in the main site, content must be unique and of good quality, also must have good on-page SEO
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  • Profile picture of the author limestone614
    Hi,

    We use SENuke on client sites with their permission, we specifically recommend its use infact. It works really well however I do fully agree that it does depend on your methods.

    We do very much what MarceMontane does above with Web2.0 sites, except we purchase real domains, for client site safety, and the later residual advertisisng income that comes with Pagerank and Traffic, which is inevitable once they've been nuked once a week for 6 months, which is what we do.

    I pick a page on my clients site, and 10 or 15 keywords, then I build a ring of domains using those keywords, with another ring around each of them, each specifically to target for certain keywords, however many we feel are required, these are built over a period of time we work out in house, from past experience, exact keyword useage and competition. (Which if you're considering this method is usually very, very high)

    Then we continually blast the outer ring with SENuke as hard as we can from a VPS,
    Always 100% unique content.

    It works very well, I have a client ranking 2nd for a 90,000 exact match keyword with 100% Mega competition.

    I imagine that the current holders of first place are doing much the same.

    It is not cheap but, given the amount of money that can be earnt from 1st, 2nd or 3rd for a 90,000 exact match search, it still pays off on ROI hansomely.

    SENuke is great.

    It looks complicated to use at first glance, but once you understand the Profile Creation Phase, the rest sort of clicks into place.

    If you can visualise a 3dimensional Back-Link Map in your head, it becomes childsplay to setup quite intricate link schemes that multiply the Googlebot between sites.

    Good Luck
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    • Profile picture of the author MarceMontane
      Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post

      Hi,

      We use SENuke on client sites with their permission, we specifically recommend its use infact. It works really well however I do fully agree that it does depend on your methods.

      We do very much what MarceMontane does above with Web2.0 sites, except we purchase real domains, for client site safety, and the later residual advertisisng income that comes with Pagerank and Traffic, which is inevitable once they've been nuked once a week for 6 months, which is what we do.

      I pick a page on my clients site, and 10 or 15 keywords, then I build a ring of domains using those keywords, with another ring around each of them, each specifically to target for certain keywords, however many we feel are required, these are built over a period of time we work out in house, from past experience, exact keyword useage and competition. (Which if you're considering this method is usually very, very high)

      Then we continually blast the outer ring with SENuke as hard as we can from a VPS,
      Always 100% unique content.

      It works very well, I have a client ranking 2nd for a 90,000 exact match keyword with 100% Mega competition.

      I imagine that the current holders of first place are doing much the same.

      It is not cheap but, given the amount of money that can be earnt from 1st, 2nd or 3rd for a 90,000 exact match search, it still pays off on ROI hansomely.

      SENuke is great.

      It looks complicated to use at first glance, but once you understand the Profile Creation Phase, the rest sort of clicks into place.

      If you can visualise a 3dimensional Back-Link Map in your head, it becomes childsplay to setup quite intricate link schemes that multiply the Googlebot between sites.

      Good Luck
      What do you mean with "we purchase real domains.."?

      Do you made a network around your client site and them blast it with senuke?
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      • Profile picture of the author limestone614
        Originally Posted by MarceMontane View Post

        What do you mean with "we purchase real domains.."?

        Do you made a network around your client site and them blast it with senuke?
        Yes, Exactly that, a network made of exact match .com domains, or as close as we can.

        for example: (imagine it's a 80k Exact Match) "Puppy Training"

        Target Page: xxx.dogtraining.com/puppy-training

        We would buy a load of domains:

        xxx.homepuppytraining.com
        xxx.easypuppytraining.com
        xxx.trainmypuppy.com
        xxx.my-puppys-training.com

        etc etc, perhaps 40 domains per big keyword.

        Install Unique articles about puppy training.
        Link em up in a particular way and blast em.

        Works a treat.
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        • Profile picture of the author Morpheus26
          Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post

          Yes, Exactly that, a network made of exact match .com domains, or as close as we can.

          for example: (imagine it's a 80k Exact Match) "Puppy Training"

          Target Page: xxx.dogtraining.com/puppy-training

          We would buy a load of domains:

          xxx.homepuppytraining.com
          xxx.easypuppytraining.com
          xxx.trainmypuppy.com
          xxx.my-puppys-training.com

          etc etc, perhaps 40 domains per big keyword.

          Install Unique articles about puppy training.
          Link em up in a particular way and blast em.

          Works a treat.
          Hi limestone614,

          sorry that this question sounds stupid, but what exactly do you put on these keyword domains. I have a client that has 20 to 30 keyword domains but at the moment he just redirects them to his company website. I told him this is useless and that we should build satellite sites with these domains, but I didn't know what and how much content you put on these sites since you do not want to spend to much time per keyword domain.

          Can you share some insights? How much content per keyword domain, how do you setup these sites, do you maybe have an example site like this? If you do not want to share this information with the public, feel free to shoot me a PM. I would really like to know how to use these keyword domains for our advantage.

          Thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author limestone614
            Originally Posted by Morpheus26 View Post

            Hi limestone614,

            sorry that this question sounds stupid, but what exactly do you put on these keyword domains. I have a client that has 20 to 30 keyword domains but at the moment he just redirects them to his company website. I told him this is useless and that we should build satellite sites with these domains, but I didn't know what and how much content you put on these sites since you do not want to spend to much time per keyword domain.

            Can you share some insights?
            Yes, i'll give some of it away.

            How much content per keyword domain
            6-8 Pages, 500 Word articles. Keyword Targeted toward the domain:

            i.e.
            xxx.puppy-training-store.com/my-puppys-training-schedule
            xxx.puppy-training-store.com/puppy-training-habbits
            etc etc

            how do you setup these sites
            Blog Management Software and, for the most part but not always, Wordpress.

            do you maybe have an example site like this?
            Yes, pm'd
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            • Profile picture of the author IAHawkI
              I have been using SENuke X for a little while now and although I don't fully know how to harness it's full power I'm seeing good results.
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    It works great . It is my biggest seo thing I do.
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  • Profile picture of the author arnie19
    Yes senuke x is working great. though you do not need to stopped. IMHO, if the tool is going to affect my website, then I will use it to my competitors instead to bring them down. if that is the case.
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  • Profile picture of the author ExploringInfinity
    Originally Posted by Marketing Ignite View Post

    Hi Guys,
    Is the SENuke still effective after the panda updates. Just registering for thousands of social media sites and getting links does not seem to be the way nowadays.

    Best
    Johan
    LOL

    Yes, still effective. But if you just blast away at your money sites all day long it won't be as effective as it could be if you used it with some wits about you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    I think what it boils down to is this - Using tools such as SEnukeX really can provide some short terms results. However, and here is the problem - Just because Google is crediting these backlinks now doesn't mean that they will in 6 months time - once their algorithms can detect these types of links reliably they will devalue these links overnight.

    Linkvana, SE Nuke, article generators, all these tools to automate the process of back links wiil hurt. you soon enough. With a lot of research and hardwork, you will see there are many things you can do to rank.
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    • Profile picture of the author owenlee
      Originally Posted by Targeted Traffic View Post

      I think what it boils down to is this - Using tools such as SEnukeX really can provide some short terms results. However, and here is the problem - Just because Google is crediting these backlinks now doesn't mean that they will in 6 months time - once their algorithms can detect these types of links reliably they will devalue these links overnight.

      Linkvana, SE Nuke, article generators, all these tools to automate the process of back links wiil hurt. you soon enough. With a lot of research and hardwork, you will see there are many things you can do to rank.
      Agree with you on this..for me i would use SEnuke to those web2.0 pages...is better this way...this should be the safe way right?
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoWizzard
    Senuke still works, you just have to play it smart... First of all you need professionally spun articles, like the ones from The Leading Articles, those are great (the premium ones). You can even go further and do some smart word nest spinning too.

    The Result? 100% Unique and fully readable content, exactly what google likes. Another thing that really helps is to set up your campaigns on a few weeks ratehr than just blasting all of it right away. Build some backlinks to your backlinks to get them indexed and you're all set. #1 Spot
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    anyone got any tips on how to get great spun articles
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    • Profile picture of the author JavaManOne
      Forget SEnuke X if you want a review from someone who has used this product since its 2011 launch.

      Forum? Areeb handles things quietly? You could hear a pin drop while Areeb sends his dull minions to provide one line answers that answer nothing.

      Then I finally got Areeb on instant message and he’s complaining that for what I pay for his software what do I expect him to do for support as he breaks down costs to an hourly fee.

      I’m a CPA/MBA, I don’t need Areeb to break down numbers, he’s not the smartest guy in the room in that category.

      This software crashes on my remote server frequently so if I’m not tuning in to check forget it, there will be a big stall in the nuke.

      When you finally get some attention in the forum you spend hours taking screen shots and going back and forth only to discover your rate of success after all the setup work is less than 65 percent, sometimes much worse.

      For the cost I’m now checking out EVO 2 Professional but I really am very tired from all the work I’ve done with SEnuke X for little positive results. I will tread very carefully into my next SEO backlink building software purchase.

      The final straw was really Areeb’s attitude. Basically, he was shooting the messenger instead of taking some personal responsibility for his software.

      If he’s the support staff than we’re all in trouble. Maybe he’s wearing too many hats and as a consumer you need a staff that handles support. Areeb was counting on his forum to handle his problems.

      Yes, he has one very good staff member on the forum but I count one as I post more questions on a daily basis.

      With the launch of SEnuke X a cottage industry was created – training sites since so many of the posts in the forum were about the steep learning curve, no manual, lack of consistent support and simply put – few answers.

      I’ve been in business for years. Affiliate marketing is more like a hobby for me but I’ve been around the small business block many times and I’ve given SEnuke more than the benefit of the doubt and I can honestly say it’s thumbs down.

      Sour grapes? Not really but I don’t treat customers shabbily no matter what and when - I promise I deliver. I expect that in return as a consumer. With SEnuke X I simply didn’t get the BMW, I got a Yugo.

      As a sidenote - Areeb gave me two free months for my trouble right before we had the lesson in hourly fees and math. I detail every one of my posts and always follow up with answers. He assigned somebody to log into my server and check things out. I hadn't heard back in one week and finally Areeb said the guy had a bad headache so it would be a few days. That was one major headache but no worse than the one I was getting. 20 sites, 20 campaigns, 4 profiles and articles each, slow dripping over 4 weeks. They told me to pause the whole shebang. Really? I was asking for help on forum profiles for days, allowed them into my server, waited, got news of the migraine or hangover, or pathetic excuse, got a smarmy response and wasted hours upon hours setting the whole thing up.

      If Areeb want's to discuss billable hours try $150 - $200 and send that times 60 hours to my Paypal and we'll call it even.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Check out Magic Submitter as well. Excellent tool especially the v 2 release which adds a diagrammer and is more flexible (add your own sites/services). I've used all three (SEN, MS, EVO and MS is the one I'm sticking with. Alex is accessible on Skype (he's the developer), the video training is lots and always updated (they usually have a 90 min webinar every week or so), and Alex actually WANTS the feedback. And the price? $67 a month. For me, and the way I work, it is definitely a must have tool.
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