My domains are all hosted together, how can Google NOT discover this?

by dvdpro
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Ok, before you think I'm trying to create some type of elaborate link web...I'm not. I've been SEOing for the past 8 months for about 8 different subject sites (that I own) and each site has 200 of it's links from decent dofollow PR blogs comments. Here's the thing - it's hard to find high PR dofollow blogs for 8 sites and I'm wanting to re-comment on some of the PR4+ blogs to link to my other sites without Google figuring out that I'm trying to multipost to manipulate my SEO rankings.

Now I've done a bit of research on this, but it's a bit of a puzzle to me to figure out what exactly has to be done. So far, I've heard that in order to completely make yourself invisible as the same owner of multiple domains to Google you need to do this:

- Have a unique c-class IP for each domain
- Have a unique nameserver for each domain
- Have a unique registrar for each domain
- Have a unique registration details for each domain

All I'm wanting to do is to re-post some new comments linking to my other sites to help decrease the workload it takes to find new high PR dofollow blogs. So what is necessary for me not to get penalized for doing this?

You may think I'm worrying too much about this, but my uncle used to be at one of the head positions of the spam division at MSN and has told me some of the lengths they go to to prevent people from trying to increase their rankings. Unfortunately, that was at a time when I had no interest in SEO so I didn't dig too deep.
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  • Profile picture of the author ulcseminary
    Wow. I hadn't thought about that. My domains are all under my name and all but 4 are on the same server. Hmmm. Maybe I should change the domain names?

    The competition has 250 domain names registered to them and it hasn't hurt them though. I'd be interested in what other people think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vlad Romanov
    Why would you be penalized for owning multiple domains? There is no law which states one website per person... Unless you are interlocking your domains there is absolutely no problem with hosting them on the same server. Not to mention if you buy shared hosting other people have websites on your hardware... So if your logic would be true you would be penalized either way.
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    • Profile picture of the author dvdpro
      Originally Posted by Vlad Romanov View Post

      Why would you be penalized for owning multiple domains? There is no law which states one website per person... Unless you are interlocking your domains there is absolutely no problem with hosting them on the same server. Not to mention if you buy shared hosting other people have websites on your hardware... So if your logic would be true you would be penalized either way.
      I see your point. I'm not on a shared hosting platform. I'm concerned that since I only have a handful of sites on my nameserver it would appear very fishy to Google if a majority of sites on a nameserver shared the same link sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    So if you make a blog comment with two links in it. You'll get penalized?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Google doesn't care if you have a ton of sites - it only cares if you are trying to leverage position by inter-linking the sites.

      If you aren't doing anything wrong there's no reason to try to hide from google.

      Many of us have dozens of sites for each reseller hosting account we have - google doesn't care as long as they aren't interlinked in a way to manipulate ranking.

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      • Profile picture of the author ilee
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Google doesn't care if you have a ton of sites - it only cares if you are trying to leverage position by inter-linking the sites.

        If you aren't doing anything wrong there's no reason to try to hide from google.

        Many of us have dozens of sites for each reseller hosting account we have - google doesn't care as long as they aren't interlinked in a way to manipulate ranking.

        kay
        Would interlinking include using the same backlinks?
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        • Profile picture of the author FredJones
          Don't worry, just do it. Host a number of websites on the single server.

          Can Google discover? Obviously, this data is available to them so nothing stops them from discovering if they want to.

          Does Google care? Probably no. In the past I have had 2 sites on the same niche hosted on same IP both reach the Google first page for the same KW. By the way, the site which was younger did also link out the the site that was older.
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      • Profile picture of the author dvdpro
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Google doesn't care if you have a ton of sites - it only cares if you are trying to leverage position by inter-linking the sites.

        If you aren't doing anything wrong there's no reason to try to hide from google.

        Many of us have dozens of sites for each reseller hosting account we have - google doesn't care as long as they aren't interlinked in a way to manipulate ranking.

        kay
        Well my sites are not linked from one site to anther (like Site A doesn't link to Site B). But if several hundred blogs linked to Site-A, Site-B, and Site-C would that create a problem?
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    For maximum SEO benefit, you'll basically want unique c-class IPs and whois privacy. I wouldn't worry about much else. The Whois privacy thing might even be overkill.
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    • Profile picture of the author dvdpro
      Originally Posted by JamesGw View Post

      For maximum SEO benefit, you'll basically want unique c-class IPs and whois privacy. I wouldn't worry about much else. The Whois privacy thing might even be overkill.
      I read something similar to that. Again, I'm not trying to interlink my sites to increase my rankings with my own sites, I just want multiple links from the same sources without it looking odd to Google...so I guess I don't need anything overkill.

      So you think unique c-class IPs with whois privacy is the best/easiest way to do this?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If each of YOUR blogs link to several of YOUR sites, it could be a problem. That's why I said I don't interlink the sites.

      I don't have privacy on all of my domains, either.

      I have groups of sites that have been in the same hosting packages for 6 years and more. If it was a problem, I'd probably know it by now

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  • Profile picture of the author ainmohd
    There are various sophisticated interlinking methods still not detected by the search engines.

    Some examples at Fiverr.com:

    "... an 8 spoke high pr link wheel with 5k verfied backlinks and include a written and spun article..."

    "... link wheel from 10 high authority Web 2 properties to improve rankings of your sites...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nero Arcnumé
    I've re-used blogs to comment on. I don't think it's a problem because many people also post tons of articles for various websites to the same directory over and over again, for example. But yeah, blog commenting is something else, though. So eventhough I don't think it's bad, I'm not sure. As long as it's not spam and the comments are related to the blog post.

    I'm interested in other people's findings/opinions on this but is it me or hasn't anyone replying here actually read your opening post? But maybe people are commenting based on the title of the thread, which isn't that targeted towards your question.
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    • Profile picture of the author dvdpro
      Ehhh, I forgot about two big problems and their names are:

      - Google analytics
      - Google Webmaster tools

      Pretty much these free (and practically necessary) tools are where you openly tell Google what site(s) you own. No sense in changing IP's or adding whois privacy to your domains when you've told Google which ones you own.

      Anyway, I've spent the past few hours researching this...so for those who want to know how to escape Google figuring out you are owning two or more sites together for seo manipulation purposes, you need to follow these rules:

      1) Have a unique c-class IP for each domain
      2) Have a unique nameserver for each domain
      3) Have a unique registrar for each domain
      4) Have a unique registration details for each domain
      5) Not having domains using the same webmaster tools
      6) Not having domains use the same analytics account
      7) Not having domains use the same adsense account (obviously)

      As for me, I'm just going to randomly re-comment on some of the blogs (probably doing that by accident already anyways). I give up on the above...grr, sounded fun for a while there
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        LOL! dvdpro showing a way to manipulate search rankings is
        exactly what google frowns upon. Your advice about how
        to do it is garbage.

        Like people wanting to hide from google.

        I have never gotten why people want to hide from google.

        There's only one reason. And if that's you, it does not
        matter if you have a bunch of sites on different servers
        and don't link up.

        If you had 100 sites, and on the front page of each site you
        had 99 links to the other sites, of course that would be garbage.

        You would not be penalized for linking, but "penalized" for
        garbage link farming.

        For most people, interlinking means you find good places to
        put links. Very common. I mean come on. You've got 100 sites,
        1,000's of pages, and you are not going to get link juice moving
        around?

        That's not doing anything nefarious.

        Those that do nefarious things are the ones who have to worry.

        If that's not you, what are you worrying about?

        You don't think google "knows" wikipedia owns dozens of
        wiki's, all interlinked in a way that makes visitor sense?

        Just off the top of my head I know these are all same IP,
        interlinked:
        wikimedia.org
        wikiquote.org
        wiktionary.org
        wikibooks.org
        wikisource.org
        wikimediafoundation.org
        mediawiki.org

        Now please tell me who is penalizing wikipedia.

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        • Profile picture of the author dvdpro
          It appears there's some confusion, so here's a quick wiki based on the entire post:

          - I'm not wanting to link 1,000s of sites together in an interlinking web
          - I don't think that 100% of the time when multiple sites are interlinked that you will be penalized
          - I was wanting to know if I could get multiple links from the same blog pointing to different sites I own without getting penalized by Google.
          - I figured out that all you need to do is to have a unique class-c ip and whois privacy
          - I remembered I have my websites linked on Google Analytics and Webmaster tools so decided at that point it was an unnecessary amount of work for blog commenting


          I agree Paul, it is very obvious to Google when thousands of pagerank zero sites filled with adsense ads begin interlinking with each other to increase SERPS that it is spam. Regardless of what you do to hide domain ownership in this case will not help.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I've spent the past few hours researching this...so for those who want to know how to escape Google figuring out you are owning two or more sites together for seo manipulation purposes, you need to follow these rules:
            Guess I don't see what the point was to begin with. You research for a time and give advice - but ignore advice from those who have been DOING their sites on the same servers for years. Not everyone uses Google analytics, either.
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  • Profile picture of the author ulcseminary
    Well I'm a bit confused. My competition has about 40 sites up, all with similar content and all of them pointing back to the main site, at least in some point. They have internal links as well, but they all point to the main site.

    And yet, they are #1, #2 and #6 or 8 or whatever for the same phrase.

    So if my sites point at each other, then that's not okay? I'm not really talking reciprocal links and I'm not even coordinated for a link wheel, but just some links to the other sites is not okay?
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    • Profile picture of the author packerfan
      Originally Posted by ulcseminary View Post

      Well I'm a bit confused. My competition has about 40 sites up, all with similar content and all of them pointing back to the main site, at least in some point. They have internal links as well, but they all point to the main site.

      And yet, they are #1, #2 and #6 or 8 or whatever for the same phrase.

      So if my sites point at each other, then that's not okay? I'm not really talking reciprocal links and I'm not even coordinated for a link wheel, but just some links to the other sites is not okay?
      If you didn't own the sites, would you still link to it? In other words, is there any value to the visitor? Does it link to relevant content, expand on the topic of the article, etc?

      If you have a site on black dresses and link to a site about shoes, that probably makes sense. If you have a site about black dresses and link to a site about best coffee makers, not so much...

      As mentioned earlier, the big boys link up their sites all the time. It's fine when it makes sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author shiwar
      Why would you need a different domain registrar for each domain?

      All the big registrars must have so many different domains registered through them, I doubt google would find many patterns.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    I may have a ton of hosts, and even some of my own servers in a colo, but at each location I may have 30-40 site per server. I've had no worries, nor any problems since 2004..and i know i've been manually reviewed by google.
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