Adsense or Amazon? Which one is better?

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If you were to start a site today and try to monetize it in the quickest way, would you go for an Adsense site or Amazon products review site? If proper on page SEO and backlinking is done, which site would perform better in the short term?
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  • Profile picture of the author Goowai
    I'd go with Adsense. If you choose the right keywords that have low competition, adsense can be quite profitable.
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    • Profile picture of the author xTrav
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      Originally Posted by Goowai View Post

      I'd go with Adsense. If you choose the right keywords that have low competition, adsense can be quite profitable.
      Awesome! Thanks! Do you have some Adsense sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    it depends what sorts of keyword you want to go for. I don't really like writing reviews so I stick to more informational websites so adsense is more suitable for me. If you use very buyer orientated keywords, amazon is the way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author xTrav
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    How do you get paid from Adsense and how long does it take to actually get the money in hand?
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    • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
      Originally Posted by xTrav View Post

      How do you get paid from Adsense and how long does it take to actually get the money in hand?
      You can set up Adsense payment to be sent directly to your bank account, or by cheque.

      You get paid at the end of every month for the previous month.
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        Originally Posted by InTheMaking View Post

        You can set up Adsense payment to be sent directly to your bank account, or by cheque.

        You get paid at the end of every month for the previous month.
        That's only on the months you 'earn' over $100. Otherwise they hold it until the accumulated amount at the end of the month breaks $100.

        First two payments for me were every other month.
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        • Profile picture of the author xTrav
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          Originally Posted by aygabtu View Post

          That's only on the months you 'earn' over $100. Otherwise they hold it until the accumulated amount at the end of the month breaks $100.

          First two payments for me were every other month.
          Are you ranking on the first page of Google and only making $100 per month??
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  • Profile picture of the author tonyalves
    He said that his two first payments were every second month, he didn't say that he is earning $100 now.

    Actually I earned over $200 my first month after joining the AdSense program but that was back in 2003 when it was very easy to make money with AdSense

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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by tonyalves View Post

      He said that his two first payments were every second month, he didn't say that he is earning $100 now.

      Actually I earned over $200 my first month after joining the AdSense program but that was back in 2003 when it was very easy to make money with AdSense

      To your success,
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      It is not actually hard to make money with adsense. Just make sure the niche you have has a good amount of advertisers, and you do your proper keyword research. It does take work of course; but it is not as hard or complicated as most people will let you think.

      If you can get some good traffic going you can earn as much as you want ( this is done by expanding of course ).

      Start off with how much you want to make with adsense, then look at the possible traffic you can get for a selection of keywords ( make sure these keywords are not going to be too difficult to rank for ).

      Look at the CPC in the adwords tool under contextual targeting. This tool will give you a more accurate estimate on the CPC inside the adsense program. The other amounts are for search and not content.

      Divide your traffic estimate by 2 ( 1st place gets an average of 50% of the clicks ). Take that number and lets say you get a conversion of 5%. So for every 100 visitors you get 5 clicks. I have some sites that get as high as 40% CTR, but I usually see an average of 5 - 10% across the board.

      So here is a starter example:

      If you choose 10 keywords to target, and they get 5000 searches a month on average. You can expect to get 2500 approximately if you are in the 1st spot in google. And it converts at 5%, that is 125 clicks a month. Lets say the CPC is $3 a click; you get 68% of that, which works out to be about $2.04 a click. If you get the 125 clicks/month that is about $250 a month for that one site.

      Now, you can either increase the sites traffic by targeting more and more keywords or add more sites to the mix until you get to the income level you want.

      I would advise you to start off with one site and get the hang of getting the traffic to it and having it create some income. Once you have the hang of it, scale it up and work on more sites.

      After you get to a certain amount of sites, keep the high earners and sell off the lower ones. Then with the money you get from that you can create a number of more sites by outsourcing it.

      Once you get to a certain income level you are going to want to out source more and more of your tasks. This way you can concentrate on finding the niches, buying the domains, and letting other people handle the content and backlinking of your site.

      Without outsourcing, I find it hard to work on more than 5 or 6 sites on my own. This is creating a page of content to each site a day, plus doing backlinks for each of them. I focus on one keyword phrase per site until it ranks in the top 3 spots in google, before I move onto the next keyword.

      Remember, you get paid per click vs Amazon where people have to buy when they click through. Another thing with Amazon is that it takes longer to get paid. If you make money in September you don't get paid until late November, so they are almost 2 months behind with payments. Adsense is only a month. Anything made in September is paid by the end of October.

      Of course once you start making money with Amazon you will a regular monthly cheque, it just takes 3 months ( if you start at the beginning of a month that is ). You won't feel it as much once that happens, it is the beginning that is the hardest.

      If you do sign up with Amazon you have to double check to make sure you are within their associate area. There are more and more states that amazon is pulling out with because of the new tax laws.

      If you want a jump start on your income, then start with adsense, and eventually look to expand to Amazon once you are at a comfortable level. It is always a good thing to diversify your income.

      One thing to keep in mind is to make sure you read and follow each of the respective TOS. Google Adsense is VERY VERY strict, they will boot you if you break their rules.

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      • Profile picture of the author Aaron Egan
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        It is not actually hard to make money with adsense. Just make sure the niche you have has a good amount of advertisers, and you do your proper keyword research. It does take work of course; but it is not as hard or complicated as most people will let you think.
        Your AdSense strategy is very much similar to my own. Just curious as to how much you make per month from it?

        Currently I'm close to $500 p/m..
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        • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
          Originally Posted by Aaron Egan View Post

          Your AdSense strategy is very much similar to my own. Just curious as to how much you make per month from it?

          Currently I'm close to $500 p/m..
          Well to put it into perspective I do do this full time, and I have been for almost 2 years now. I went full time Feb/2010

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          • Profile picture of the author adammck
            Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

            Well to put it into perspective I do do this full time, and I have been for almost 2 years now. I went full time Feb/2010

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            How long did it take you to get your sites off the ground? Getting decent amounts of traffic/revenue?
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            • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
              Originally Posted by adammck View Post

              How long did it take you to get your sites off the ground? Getting decent amounts of traffic/revenue?
              Once I shifted through the bad advice and the wrong turns, it took me 3 months to create a good income with my sites. This was once I had a decent system down.

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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        It is not actually hard to make money with adsense. Just make sure the niche you have has a good amount of advertisers, and you do your proper keyword research. It does take work of course; but it is not as hard or complicated as most people will let you think.

        If you can get some good traffic going you can earn as much as you want ( this is done by expanding of course ).

        Start off with how much you want to make with adsense, then look at the possible traffic you can get for a selection of keywords ( make sure these keywords are not going to be too difficult to rank for ).

        Do you use the allintitle search for google and try to target a certain number that way? or what is the procedure to narrow down kws so that you know ok this has ultra low competition I can rank top 2 for this one in a few months

        Look at the CPC in the adwords tool under contextual targeting. This tool will give you a more accurate estimate on the CPC inside the adsense program. The other amounts are for search and not content.

        Divide your traffic estimate by 2 ( 1st place gets an average of 50% of the clicks ). Take that number and lets say you get a conversion of 5%. So for every 100 visitors you get 5 clicks. I have some sites that get as high as 40% CTR, but I usually see an average of 5 - 10% across the board.

        So here is a starter example:

        If you choose 10 keywords to target, and they get 5000 searches a month on average. You can expect to get 2500 approximately if you are in the 1st spot in google. And it converts at 5%, that is 125 clicks a month. Lets say the CPC is $3 a click; you get 68% of that, which works out to be about $2.04 a click. If you get the 125 clicks/month that is about $250 a month for that one site.

        Now, you can either increase the sites traffic by targeting more and more keywords or add more sites to the mix until you get to the income level you want.

        I would advise you to start off with one site and get the hang of getting the traffic to it and having it create some income. Once you have the hang of it, scale it up and work on more sites.

        After you get to a certain amount of sites, keep the high earners and sell off the lower ones. Then with the money you get from that you can create a number of more sites by outsourcing it.

        Once you get to a certain income level you are going to want to out source more and more of your tasks. This way you can concentrate on finding the niches, buying the domains, and letting other people handle the content and backlinking of your site.

        Without outsourcing, I find it hard to work on more than 5 or 6 sites on my own. This is creating a page of content to each site a day, plus doing backlinks for each of them. I focus on one keyword phrase per site until it ranks in the top 3 spots in google, before I move onto the next keyword.

        Remember, you get paid per click vs Amazon where people have to buy when they click through. Another thing with Amazon is that it takes longer to get paid. If you make money in September you don't get paid until late November, so they are almost 2 months behind with payments. Adsense is only a month. Anything made in September is paid by the end of October.

        Of course once you start making money with Amazon you will a regular monthly cheque, it just takes 3 months ( if you start at the beginning of a month that is ). You won't feel it as much once that happens, it is the beginning that is the hardest.

        If you do sign up with Amazon you have to double check to make sure you are within their associate area. There are more and more states that amazon is pulling out with because of the new tax laws.

        If you want a jump start on your income, then start with adsense, and eventually look to expand to Amazon once you are at a comfortable level. It is always a good thing to diversify your income.

        One thing to keep in mind is to make sure you read and follow each of the respective TOS. Google Adsense is VERY VERY strict, they will boot you if you break their rules.

        -- Jeff
        Thanks Jeff your strategy makes a lot of sense

        What I am trying to figure out is a kw strategy with adsense
        i find plenty of kws with decent traffic (ie 10k per month exact) and good CPC, above $2, but then I think hmm I look in Market samurai and the top 5 is way too strong to compete

        whats a good kw strategy as in

        1. how much monthly exact to target
        2. what CPC to look for
        3. how do you guage your competition and say, ok this is the kw I will target I know I can get to number one with this one
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        • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          Thanks Jeff your strategy makes a lot of sense

          What I am trying to figure out is a kw strategy with adsense
          i find plenty of kws with decent traffic (ie 10k per month exact) and good CPC, above $2, but then I think hmm I look in Market samurai and the top 5 is way too strong to compete

          whats a good kw strategy as in

          1. how much monthly exact to target
          2. what CPC to look for
          3. how do you guage your competition and say, ok this is the kw I will target I know I can get to number one with this one
          This is easier than you might think.

          I started using MNF a couple of years ago, but have soon realized that with a lot of the changes that google has made in the way it ranks sites, A LOT of keyword tools are not going to give you proper competition results. Why? Because they are only looking at certain factors.

          Yes I still use MNF to sort through the keywords to get them grouped together properly. But you can use the Google External Keyword Tool as well.

          I start at around 500 searches a month, then I work my way up from there. I only look at the front page. I look at which ones on there are actually trying to rank for that keyword; what the PR those sites are, and the type of backlinks they may have.

          If there are NO pages that are actually properly optimized for that keyword then I go for it, regardless of the backlinks they have. Why? Because On Page SEO Trumps off page.

          If they ARE optimized then I check the backlinks.

          I honestly don't care how MANY backlinks they have, it is WHAT KIND that matters to me. They could have 50,000 backlinks, and it wouldn't phase me a bit. Unless they were all QUALITY backlinks. And at that amount I doubt they would be. Honestly, it is the ones that have about 100 - 200 that are out ranking the ones with 1000s that concern me more.

          If they aren't quality then I attack.

          If they have quality then I check how many they have and their PR. A PR of 6 or higher is all that really concerns me. If its anything below then I go for it. I look for anything with 200 or less HIGH QUALITY backlinks. If they don't have the HIGH quality at around 200 then I attack them. You can shoot for higher, it really depends on how long you want to take to outrank them.

          For CPC, take your keywords and plug them into the Contextual Targeting Tool inside the google adwords admin panel. This will gauge how much people are paying for keywords INSIDE adsense. I aim for $2 an up inside that tool. Usually the keywords that are paying $2 and up in there are paying usually triple that in the search ads.


          1. how much monthly exact to target: 500+
          2. what CPC to look for: $2+ INSIDE the contexual targeting tool.
          3. how do you guage your competition and say, ok this is the kw I will target I know I can get to number one with this one ( see above ).

          I hope that was clear. If you need me to explain in more detail then let me know.

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      • Profile picture of the author WiiLoveSuccess
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        It is not actually hard to make money with adsense. Just make sure the niche you have has a good amount of advertisers, and you do your proper keyword research. It does take work of course; but it is not as hard or complicated as most people will let you think.

        If you can get some good traffic going you can earn as much as you want ( this is done by expanding of course ).

        Start off with how much you want to make with adsense, then look at the possible traffic you can get for a selection of keywords ( make sure these keywords are not going to be too difficult to rank for ).

        Look at the CPC in the adwords tool under contextual targeting. This tool will give you a more accurate estimate on the CPC inside the adsense program. The other amounts are for search and not content.

        Divide your traffic estimate by 2 ( 1st place gets an average of 50% of the clicks ). Take that number and lets say you get a conversion of 5%. So for every 100 visitors you get 5 clicks. I have some sites that get as high as 40% CTR, but I usually see an average of 5 - 10% across the board.

        So here is a starter example:

        If you choose 10 keywords to target, and they get 5000 searches a month on average. You can expect to get 2500 approximately if you are in the 1st spot in google. And it converts at 5%, that is 125 clicks a month. Lets say the CPC is $3 a click; you get 68% of that, which works out to be about $2.04 a click. If you get the 125 clicks/month that is about $250 a month for that one site.

        Now, you can either increase the sites traffic by targeting more and more keywords or add more sites to the mix until you get to the income level you want.

        I would advise you to start off with one site and get the hang of getting the traffic to it and having it create some income. Once you have the hang of it, scale it up and work on more sites.

        After you get to a certain amount of sites, keep the high earners and sell off the lower ones. Then with the money you get from that you can create a number of more sites by outsourcing it.

        Once you get to a certain income level you are going to want to out source more and more of your tasks. This way you can concentrate on finding the niches, buying the domains, and letting other people handle the content and backlinking of your site.

        Without outsourcing, I find it hard to work on more than 5 or 6 sites on my own. This is creating a page of content to each site a day, plus doing backlinks for each of them. I focus on one keyword phrase per site until it ranks in the top 3 spots in google, before I move onto the next keyword.

        Remember, you get paid per click vs Amazon where people have to buy when they click through. Another thing with Amazon is that it takes longer to get paid. If you make money in September you don't get paid until late November, so they are almost 2 months behind with payments. Adsense is only a month. Anything made in September is paid by the end of October.

        Of course once you start making money with Amazon you will a regular monthly cheque, it just takes 3 months ( if you start at the beginning of a month that is ). You won't feel it as much once that happens, it is the beginning that is the hardest.

        If you do sign up with Amazon you have to double check to make sure you are within their associate area. There are more and more states that amazon is pulling out with because of the new tax laws.

        If you want a jump start on your income, then start with adsense, and eventually look to expand to Amazon once you are at a comfortable level. It is always a good thing to diversify your income.

        One thing to keep in mind is to make sure you read and follow each of the respective TOS. Google Adsense is VERY VERY strict, they will boot you if you break their rules.

        -- Jeff
        This was extremely helpful. I've made some money with Adsense but not to the extent I'd like and you provided me some very useful tips. As always I'm glad I'm a participant here at Warriors Forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author JoeUK
          Monetize in the quickest way I'd say adsense, not that amazon is slow but I think it can take a little more effort and research to make a site successful with it as opposed to adsense. Why choose one or another though - both potentially can work side by side perfectly well.
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      • Profile picture of the author phans
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        Divide your traffic estimate by 2 ( 1st place gets an average of 50% of the clicks ). Take that number and lets say you get a conversion of 5%. So for every 100 visitors you get 5 clicks. I have some sites that get as high as 40% CTR, but I usually see an average of 5 - 10% across the board.

        So here is a starter example:

        If you choose 10 keywords to target, and they get 5000 searches a month on average. You can expect to get 2500 approximately if you are in the 1st spot in google. And it converts at 5%, that is 125 clicks a month. Lets say the CPC is $3 a click; you get 68% of that, which works out to be about $2.04 a click. If you get the 125 clicks/month that is about $250 a month for that one site.
        great posts jeff they are really a lot of help for me!

        the math above is the way i would look at it as well but isn't the ctr about impressions and not about vistis?
        so if your avg. visitor looks at 2 sites of your website wouldn't the earnings double?
        it seems like the math above would only be right if non of the visitors would visit multiple sites at your website

        please correct me if i am wrong and sorry if my english isn't the best

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  • Profile picture of the author JimmyR
    Both of them are good. Like people have said, it depends on the niche. For product oriented niches, like "buy ipods", Amazon is the way to go. For people seeing information such as travel and medical stuff, adsense is the way to go. Sometimes you can have both and still be effective. I write a couple of blogs that recommend products in the posts, and have adsense ads auto inserted into the posts. These have definitely been effective for me
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmy69
    I personally think Adsense is better.
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      • Profile picture of the author kuwakcai
        I prefer adsense, more revenues with the right keywords
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        • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
          I'd have to go with AdSense, but only if you are looking to scale the process and have hundreds of sites. If you just have a few, affiliate marketing pays more per visitor on average. Downside is you have to take time and find the right products for each site plus measure conversion rate. It takes a bit more care and attention to get it right.
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          • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
            Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

            I'd have to go with AdSense, but only if you are looking to scale the process and have hundreds of sites. If you just have a few, affiliate marketing pays more per visitor on average. Downside is you have to take time and find the right products for each site plus measure conversion rate. It takes a bit more care and attention to get it right.
            This is what I Don't get; people keep saying that you need 100s and 100s of sites to make it with adsense, but you don't. People even say this about amazon sites too.

            Your income is all relative to the traffic you get; the more traffic you can get the more money you will make.

            People who have 100s and 100s seem to be the ones that either can't get enough traffic to make enough money or are choosing the keywords poorly.

            Having that many sites isn't even sustainable, unless they are autoblogs, which as we all know are not what they once were.

            If you had even 100 sites that did a measly $10/day you would be making $30,000 a month. BTW, if you HAD 100 sites they are most likely only making you $1 - 2 a day, if that. This is still about $3,000 - $6,000 a month.

            However, you can EASILY do that with 10 sites. So why put more work into building up 100 sites when you can do a 10th of the work and only make 10 ( you could do it with less as well. )

            In my last example I said a site with 5000 searches a month for the keywords would get 2500, and get about 125 clicks a month right? That is about $250 a month for that site.

            The thing is that is ONLY 2500 visitors a month. If you build up that site and continued to build it up so you had 50 - 100 keywords ( this is 50 - 100 pages of content ) for that 1 site, you could potentially have enormous amounts of traffic.

            If we stick with the LOW average of 500 searches per keyword, then that would be 25,000 - 50,000 searches a month. And even at the low conversion of 5% that is still about to be $1,275 - $2,550/month for just the 1 site. If you duplicate that ( which is the only smart thing to do ), you could make that for each site you create.

            Now, you won't make that much for each site, but you can still flip them if they aren't performing well, and invest that money back into building more sites.

            I stay within the same type of broad niche for all my websites. This gives me an idea of how they will perform across the board. And for the most part the DO actually perform pretty much the same.

            If you build a bunch of sites and a good part of them are on totally different style of topics, this is when you get most of the hit and miss sites. When you stick with a certain TYPE of niche ( in the broad sense ) and take the "micro" ones inside that niche, you have a better chance of having a pretty similar performance out of them.

            You can't really gauge how long it will take you to make $XXXX amount of money, so I am not going to go that route, but I will show you something else. This next bit assumes you have already did your keyword research. You should be able to find 50 - 100 keywords in about a day.

            1. First take a look at how much time EACH day you have to work on generating this extra income. When looking at this time, REALLY look at it. Look and how much take you WASTE doing things you really don't need to do. Only then can you REALLY calculate the amount of free time you have to put into this.

            2a. Look at how long it takes you to do each task; writing a page of content; creating 10 high quality backlinks. ( why only 10? I will get to that in a second ) And then add to this until you fill up your amount of time available.

            2b. When looking at creating 10 backlinks look at a high PR blog network; most of them will distribute about 10 links a day to its network on your behalf. Sure,you can write more, but if you only have enough time to do a small amount, make sure you USE up your ENTIRE 10 allotment. For an example of a high PR blog network: BMR.

            ( 1 page of content and 10 links = about 2,000 words worth of content. This takes me personally about an hour at MOST. If the work is researched ahead of time then it takes me about 40 mins, sometimes in as short as 30 mins. )

            3. Use wordpress - this makes setup simple, and you can easily find a proper set up guide anywhere online. I use SEO Ultimate to do most of my on page SEO formating. The deep link juggernaut module is pretty slick. Here is the short list of plug ins that I use:

            akismet
            easy adsense ( easily integrates adsense into your site )
            easy privacy policy ( creates the MUST HAVE privacy policy )
            google analytics for wordpress ( easily integrate analytics in site )
            XML sitemap Generator for wordpress ( easily generate sitemap for google )
            maxblogpress ping optimizer ( regulates pinging of your site so that it does not over ping )
            quick cache ( helps speed up site )
            rss includes pages ( includes pages into RSS feed )
            SEO Ultimate ( helps with on site SEO factors )
            wp-DBManager ( helps speed up site )

            4. Setup all the pages/posts ahead of time. You don't need to come up with the fancy title; you want the URL to be just the keyword anyways. You will do all the titling and description with the SEO Ultimate plugin when you write the content.

            When you set up everything you will have the URL, the meta keyword and the deep link anchor text already set up. So all you have to do is write the content; just go down the list as you write and everything will deep link itself ( just make sure you use a couple of the keywords in your posts/pages so that it does actually deep link ).

            5. Write content for 5 of your pages/posts ( i use about 3 or 4 pages, and the rest posts and then I have the posts on the front page with about 100 words shown for each one. Then I set the feed to show the first 20 posts. ) THen you can submit the site for consideration into the BMR network. They do not allow thin sites.

            6. Set up hootsuite and connect it with ping.fm. Set up all the accounts in ping.fm. Put your rss feed into hootsuite. Each time you update your site hootsuite will detect it in the RSS feed and post it to ping.fm. This will give you an initial set of backlinks to your site for easy indexing. Technically this should have been set up BEFORE you started writing your content.

            7. Submit your RSS feed to the top rss sites. I use RSSbot to do this for me.

            8. Write 1 page/post of content a day ( this is above and beyond the initial 5 ). Start with the easiest keyword to rank for and start building backlinks for it using BMR. Why the easiest? Because it won't take long to rank high for it so then you can move onto the next one. If you go after a hard one, it might take you just as long to rank for it as it took you to rank for 5 or 6 keywords.

            Look at how long it will take you to do things once it is all set up and done, that way you will know how many sites you can work on at once.

            Because I like playing video games and doing other fun things, I am usually working on about 5 - 6 sites at a time.

            I hope this helps.

            -- Jeff

            EDIT: Do this with consistent work and you can see a good income within 3 - 4 months easy. This is as long as you do the proper keyword and niche research ahead of time.
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    I think adsense is easier to deal.coz as long as you have a quality blog post with the competitive keywords,you will bring huge traffic to your post,thus, you will get many visitors'c clinks easily.But amazon is a hard work to do for a beginners.and it must have many things to do for the revenue,like choose the suitable products,clink rate,etc..
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    Put both. They are two different ad module. Put adsense as your basic ad. Go amazon.com and create a ad widget related to your page. When user click your widget or link and buy a product from amazon, you gets referral fee which is high amount. You gets percentage of the product price. So, put both. But, if you are in California, forget the amazon ad since they cancel all the contract with Californian because of the recent bill charging sales tax on online sales passed by California.
    I hope it helps..
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    I think making money with Adsense is easier. Specially if you are getting a lot of untargetted traffic to your site.

    Amazon is more profitable when you get targeted traffic for higher priced products. Because with low priced products the commission is too measely to make a difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Hi Jeff, wow thanks that was a very long detailed explanatin and frankly, you have confirmed some of the asumptions I was already making, but I had no confirmation of the assumptions, until now.
    One of the assumptions I was making was that, if the site is really not actively targeting the term, ie no kw in title, header url, or description, I thought hmmm and there is also no kw in the domain, and no subpage, just the domain is showing with a bunch of backlinks
    I thought, should I just ignore this kw because of all these types of sites showing,, despite the fact that they are obviously NOT targeting the kws, and that was obvious by their onpage SEO being NOTHING
    I think most people would look and say, oh, oh no, this is a 6 yr old domain PR 5 with 20,000 backlinks showing, and just move on

    I thought, what if that means nothing? what if its a mistake to move on because these guys did nothing to rank for this kw, they didnt even target it, You telling me google doesnt even rank other sites, who are actively SEO for this kw higher than this type of site?
    According to what you wrote, google does care about onpage SEO, more than offpage SEO
    Now, this is contrary to popular opinion which says its all about backlinks. But
    maybe thats assuming you are talking bout pages which are already SEO for the term, then yes the one with better backlinks will win

    Ok now what about if I find a site with 20k searches a month, the top 5 sites have almost no onpage SEO, you look on Market samurai and see nothing but green, and N N N N, under the onpage SEO

    OK lets talk about domain buying
    Ok obviously the EMD is not going to be available in this situation because of the high search volume.
    . Not even the hyphenated EMD.
    In that case if you decided to go for it, what domain buying strategy would you use. Does it matter?

    How about My+EMD
    or a variation EMD+whatever.com
    I heard google is cracking down on these types of domain names,
    could be just a rumor
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      Outwest: EMD really doesn't make a difference.

      If you want, you can put some words at the end of it. Words that of course will make sense.

      OR, choose a keyword that has less searches that is in the same niche.

      Really, it doesn't matter. Name the website something related to the niche and you will do fine.

      Remember, Google doesn't rank the SITE it ranks the pages on the site. Make a page for that keyword and rank it. NEVER focus on just that one keyword, regardless if it has a ton of searches.

      -- Jeff

      EDIT: I usually end my domain with "website" or "site". That is if it makes sense.
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    Adsense is my main source of income. It is very easy to do for everybody !
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  • Profile picture of the author sandy11
    If you like writing product reviews, then go with amazon site. otherwise please stick with Adsense.

    It's not hard to make money with adsense if you have a good system to follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author bamstk090
    it depends the site
    adsense doesn't need sales to make money
    amazon need sales to make money

    combine adsense and amazon will be better
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    @theverysmartguy - Your information is completely on-point, even if we disagree that it's pointless to build smaller niche sites targetting micro-niche keywords. Yes, getting to #1 on a search term that's highly marketable and gets 5,000 exact match searches per month should get you somewhere between $100-$300/month...but it's not the easiest thing to do...that's a bit more aggressive than a beginner might want to target.

    Just starting out, it's useful to go with something that has a higher success rate...even if it has a lower potential payout, in my opinion.

    There's more than one way to skin a cat. Spencer from Niche Pursuits builds sites more along the lines of the volume and revenue you're discussing. He mentions multiple approaches to niche sites that are pretty interesting here:

    4 Niche Website Strategies Reviewed | Niche Pursuits

    Anyway, good value/information in this thread...nice!
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      @theverysmartguy - Your information is completely on-point, even if we disagree that it's pointless to build smaller niche sites targetting micro-niche keywords. Yes, getting to #1 on a search term that's highly marketable and gets 5,000 exact match searches per month should get you somewhere between $100-$300/month...but it's not the easiest thing to do...that's a bit more aggressive than a beginner might want to target.

      Just starting out, it's useful to go with something that has a higher success rate...even if it has a lower potential payout, in my opinion.

      There's more than one way to skin a cat. Spencer from Niche Pursuits builds sites more along the lines of the volume and revenue you're discussing. He mentions multiple approaches to niche sites that are pretty interesting here:

      4 Niche Website Strategies Reviewed | Niche Pursuits

      Anyway, good value/information in this thread...nice!
      Actually those 5,000 searches a month ARE FROM multiple keywords; it does say that it the post I made. ( to be exact I mentioned 10 keywords for a total of 5000 searches ). I totally agree to target the low hanging fruit first.

      -- Jeff
      EDIT: BTW my sites would not be considered small micro-niche sites. My sites average anywhere from around 50 - 100 pages of solid content.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Hi Jeff , First of all I want to thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. You have given me inspiration and hope, i was having a hard time finding someone who really would open up about a few major issues I was having, you really helped a lot and lifted my spirits also

    Ok here is a very important question that I think is extremely relevant and a lot of newbies are not aware of this issue but all my reading has made me understand how important this is.

    Lets say I have found the niche for this site, the CPC is very good, (high above $2) and good traffic

    I want to target a major kw that gets a lot of searches for the main term. However there are MANY long tails for this niche that I want to target.

    1. what is the best strategy? I actually have about 30 to 50 longtails , that when added up add to 10,000 searches per month

    2. I am sure that these are almost zero competition, so should I make individual pages for each of these terms? and then SEO onpage optimize those pages? or would that be considered spammy by Adsense

    I want to make the site relevant and I fear If I do this it will look kind of repetitive and Google might look at the site and say. your site is delisted because it appears as if you are just making page after page targeting specific keywords just for the sake of targeting those keywords. (I have heard of guys getting letters like this before)

    Thank you much
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Hi Jeff , First of all I want to thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. You have given me inspiration and hope, i was having a hard time finding someone who really would open up about a few major issues I was having, you really helped a lot and lifted my spirits also

      Ok here is a very important question that I think is extremely relevant and a lot of newbies are not aware of this issue but all my reading has made me understand how important this is.

      Lets say I have found the niche for this site, the CPC is very good, (high above $2) and good traffic

      I want to target a major kw that gets a lot of searches for the main term. However there are MANY long tails for this niche that I want to target.

      1. what is the best strategy? I actually have about 30 to 50 longtails , that when added up add to 10,000 searches per month

      2. I am sure that these are almost zero competition, so should I make individual pages for each of these terms? and then SEO onpage optimize those pages? or would that be considered spammy by Adsense

      I want to make the site relevant and I fear If I do this it will look kind of repetitive and Google might look at the site and say. your site is delisted because it appears as if you are just making page after page targeting specific keywords just for the sake of targeting those keywords. (I have heard of guys getting letters like this before)

      Thank you much
      What I do is make individual pages for each of the long tail keywords. As long as each page is made up of purely unique content you should have nothing to worry about.

      HOWEVER, if you have some keyword phrases that are basically the same thing just with some words switched around, I would hold off on those. I'm not saying don't do them, just do them later down the line after you have done a bunch of other ones that are different. Just make sure that the content is totally unique,

      I have a few article templates that I use to populate my sites with:

      1. Problem
      2. FAQ
      3. Comparison
      4. Tips List
      5. Reasons List
      6. Benefits List
      7. Mistakes list
      8. How - To
      9. Quiz
      10. Question
      11. Review

      I rotate and mix up the style of the content to fit into these types of articles. For each keyword I pick away that I will write it so that it will be different than the rest of the content that I already have.

      If you have a ton of long tail keywords, then there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to write a page of content for each of them.

      When I create a page of content it targets that keyword. So that is what is in the URL, and the page "title" onsite. But then I use the SEO Ultimate plugin (SEO All IN One works too ) to create a unique and clickable title that is seen in the search results. This is also what I put at the beginning of the page/post too; usually using the H2 title tag ( Since the Main keyword is already an H1 ).

      My sites are far from spammy, and all the content is unique to each page.

      Plus, what you just mentioned is basically what I do anyways. Create a page for each long tail keyword ( the ones that actually get 500+ searches a month anyways. ) I then purposefully optimize for it both on and off page.

      There are of course going to be long tail keywords you will rank for, and get traffic for that don't meet my search criteria, this is always going to happen. However, I don't create pages for them, I just create backlinks for the long tail keywords to the pages that they are showing up for.

      Make sense?

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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        What I do is make individual pages for each of the long tail keywords. As long as each page is made up of purely unique content you should have nothing to worry about.

        HOWEVER, if you have some keyword phrases that are basically the same thing just with some words switched around, I would hold off on those. I'm not saying don't do them, just do them later down the line after you have done a bunch of other ones that are different. Just make sure that the content is totally unique,

        I have a few article templates that I use to populate my sites with:

        1. Problem
        2. FAQ
        3. Comparison
        4. Tips List
        5. Reasons List
        6. Benefits List
        7. Mistakes list
        8. How - To
        9. Quiz
        10. Question
        11. Review

        I rotate and mix up the style of the content to fit into these types of articles. For each keyword I pick away that I will write it so that it will be different than the rest of the content that I already have.

        If you have a ton of long tail keywords, then there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to write a page of content for each of them.

        When I create a page of content it targets that keyword. So that is what is in the URL, and the page "title" onsite. But then I use the SEO Ultimate plugin (SEO All IN One works too ) to create a unique and clickable title that is seen in the search results. This is also what I put at the beginning of the page/post too; usually using the H2 title tag ( Since the Main keyword is already an H1 ).

        My sites are far from spammy, and all the content is unique to each page.

        Plus, what you just mentioned is basically what I do anyways. Create a page for each long tail keyword ( the ones that actually get 500+ searches a month anyways. ) I then purposefully optimize for it both on and off page.

        There are of course going to be long tail keywords you will rank for, and get traffic for that don't meet my search criteria, this is always going to happen. However, I don't create pages for them, I just create backlinks for the long tail keywords to the pages that they are showing up for.

        Make sense?

        -- Jeff
        Hi Jeff, great thanks yes makes perfect sense I just downloaded SEO ultimate plugin
        I already purchased a killer domain today for a really high CPC kw with tons of long tails also

        I appreciate you detailing your strategy as there is so much to learn it sometimes get confusing if I go to google and try to learn it that way

        Lets say you have 100 longtails that are 50-200 searches per month each. Hate to waste that traffic
        I know you will get pulled up for all kinds of longtails you have not even optimized for.
        Wat would you do to get traffic for those low search number kws? just put up a few pages where you mention those phrases 2 or three times?
        Some of those phrases I dont even think they need to be in the title, url etc just talking about them on pages will pull up those pages since they are rarely talked about.

        Any other WP plugins you recommend?

        Fun to strategize though
        Thanks Jeff
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        • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          Hi Jeff, great thanks yes makes perfect sense I just downloaded SEO ultimate plugin
          I already purchased a killer domain today for a really high CPC kw with tons of long tails also

          I appreciate you detailing your strategy as there is so much to learn it sometimes get confusing if I go to google and try to learn it that way

          Lets say you have 100 longtails that are 50-200 searches per month each. Hate to waste that traffic
          I know you will get pulled up for all kinds of longtails you have not even optimized for.
          Wat would you do to get traffic for those low search number kws? just put up a few pages where you mention those phrases 2 or three times?
          Some of those phrases I dont even think they need to be in the title, url etc just talking about them on pages will pull up those pages since they are rarely talked about.

          Any other WP plugins you recommend?

          Fun to strategize though
          Thanks Jeff
          Remember, having the EMD for your given keyword phrase is good, but it won't guarantee you rankings. It basically just makes it easier for the on page SEO that is all.

          I believe I mentioned this before, but when creating your website, create 5 - 10 PAGES and the rest posts. And have the post feeds on your front page.

          Display about 100 words for the summary, and make sure you actively put the more tag into your post. What this will do when you have SEO Ultimate is create an anchor text automatically, instead of it saying read more. It will say read more on "keyword".

          This helps a lot with deep linking your site, ON TOP of using the deep linking juggernaut module in the SEO Ultimate plug in.

          I usually don't bother to create a page with anything less than 300 - 500 hundred monthly searches. Some people might even thing that is too little, but that is just how my strategy works. However, that doesn't mean you can't, but i don't feel that is is a valuable use of my time.

          As for the other plugins I use, I did mention that in an earlier post but here is the list again:


          akismet
          easy adsense ( easily integrates adsense into your site )
          easy privacy policy ( creates the MUST HAVE privacy policy )
          google analytics for wordpress ( easily integrate analytics in site )
          XML sitemap Generator for wordpress ( easily generate sitemap for google )
          maxblogpress ping optimizer ( regulates pinging of your site so that it does not over ping )
          quick cache ( helps speed up site )
          rss includes pages ( includes pages into RSS feed )
          SEO Ultimate ( helps with on site SEO factors )
          wp-DBManager ( helps speed up site )

          -- Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author mkl3377
    Thanks so much for sharing the info in your posts Jeff.

    You stressed a few times the importance of "proper keyword research". Would you mind sharing your strategy on brain storming and how to come up with ideas to begin the research.

    To me that is the hardest part. I've got the technical stuff figured out(number of searches, competition, backlinks). But I struggle with coming up with ideas and clearing the cloud and revealing the gems to be the toughest.

    Appreciate anything you may share.

    Thanks

    P.S. May I combine your posts into a PDF and sell it for $7. LOL...
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by mkl3377 View Post

      Thanks so much for sharing the info in your posts Jeff.

      You stressed a few times the importance of "proper keyword research". Would you mind sharing your strategy on brain storming and how to come up with ideas to begin the research.

      To me that is the hardest part. I've got the technical stuff figured out(number of searches, competition, backlinks). But I struggle with coming up with ideas and clearing the cloud and revealing the gems to be the toughest.

      Appreciate anything you may share.

      Thanks

      P.S. May I combine your posts into a PDF and sell it for $7. LOL...
      You are very welcome, I enjoy sharing my strategies with other people; everyone should be allowed to be successful.

      AS for the keyword research: Pick a topic in an evergreen niche. These types of niches can usually be found in "heath, wealth and love" broad topics. Just pick a topic that you think you would be interested in, punch it into the google tool, make sure that you have it set to EXACT match, and away you go. For starting out try to ignore most keywords with less than 3 words in the phrase.

      You can use a keyword tool like MNF ( MIcro Niche Finder ), but like all keyword tools, you should use other tools to back up the information that it gives you.

      Honestly, don't worry about finding the "nuggets". Why? Because you should NEVER EVER rely on just one keyword to rank your site and make you money.

      When determining the price of the keywords, use the Contextual Targeting Tool to get a better matched price for your keywords

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  • Profile picture of the author alantay
    They are two different thing. If I were you, I will first check for the value of your keyword. If it is lowly paid, I will go for Amazon. However Adsense won't be dead there. You can run two simultaneously.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Hi Jeff , what a great list of plugins, wow thank you very much

    I can find on the WP site for plugins (with searching)
    "google privacy policy" I dont see "easy privacy policy" is there a download link?

    Also maxblogpress ping optimizer I get other wp plugins talking about pings and actually talking about maxbloggpress optimizer in their description, here are the two that come up in the search tool
    cbnet Ping Optimizer


    Cbnet MBP Auto-Activate






    i will keep trying
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Hi Jeff , what a great list of plugins, wow thank you very much
      I am attempting to download these and having a terrible time, every time I go to google, for example, to adsense privacy policy wordpress plugin

      it takes me to wordpress pages discussing the plugin, then on top I see "download" link

      then that takes me to a link for downloading WP, LOL

      i will keep trying
      You are more than welcome.

      You can just use the WP admin panel to download them directly into your site. And then with FTP you can just transfer the directory on to your computer.

      Its a work around if you are having trouble finding them on google.

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  • Profile picture of the author thedog
    I vote amazon.

    Takes a lot of work to make decent money with adsense, plus, Google can ban you at any time, and they do quite often, for nothing... seriouslly...

    My advice, don't solely relly on adsence. Why not try both?

    That's what I did... 3 of my adsense sites ranked on the first page of google. They had good traffic, but never made much with adsense. Now my adsense has disspapeard... no warning, no email... no help... google will not reply to your emails... I'm just glad I found this out early on.

    My amazon sites are just starting to take off... one I made 3 months ago, is now getting decent traffic... I've made $80 so far this month, and 5 orders are yet to be processed... so I'm sure I'll break the $100 mark, and most of this traffic has come from the middle of the month.

    This is just one site, so, once I've tweaked it, I'll rinse and repeat

    That said, there are issues with amazon and american tax law... not too sure what it's all about, so if you're from the US, LOOK INTO IT... SORRY, I'M IN CHINA AND THIS KEYBOARD SUCKS... STUCK ON CAPS...

    I BASICLY TRUST AMAZON MORE.

    GOOD LUCK
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by thedog View Post

      I vote amazon.

      Takes a lot of work to make decent money with adsense, plus, Google can ban you at any time, and they do quite often, for nothing... seriouslly...

      My advice, don't solely relly on adsence. Why not try both?

      That's what I did... 3 of my adsense sites ranked on the first page of google. They had good traffic, but never made much with adsense. Now my adsense has disspapeard... no warning, no email... no help... google will not reply to your emails... I'm just glad I found this out early on.

      My amazon sites are just starting to take off... one I made 3 months ago, is now getting decent traffic... I've made $80 so far this month, and 5 orders are yet to be processed... so I'm sure I'll break the $100 mark, and most of this traffic has come from the middle of the month.

      This is just one site, so, once I've tweaked it, I'll rinse and repeat

      That said, there are issues with amazon and american tax law... not too sure what it's all about, so if you're from the US, LOOK INTO IT... SORRY, I'M IN CHINA AND THIS KEYBOARD SUCKS... STUCK ON CAPS...

      I BASICLY TRUST AMAZON MORE.

      GOOD LUCK
      How many pages were on each of your adsense sites? I know if its a thin site, just a few pages, they dont like that , when they find that they will deindex all your sites
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      • Profile picture of the author thedog
        Originally Posted by outwest View Post

        How many pages were on each of your adsense sites? I know if its a thin site, just a few pages, they dont like that , when they find that they will deindex all your sites
        Well I was following the advice of those who made it with adsense.

        My sites had 6 well written articles each.

        And a couple of pages, t&c's, contact, sitemap...

        I did do my research.

        I'm thinking it could be that I haven't entered my PIN as I'm away, and they posted it to me... but, I have no idea... there's no help, no warning... it's like, why should we care, we're google.
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        Originally Posted by outwest View Post

        How many pages were on each of your adsense sites? I know if its a thin site, just a few pages, they dont like that , when they find that they will deindex all your sites
        Surprisingly there are to many people that go after adsense that create a multitude of thin sites and then wonder why they bomb with adsense. They say that Google was unfair to them, etc etc.

        BTW, I have each hosting account under its own unique IP. Some places will include that in the higher packages, or you just pay like an extra 2 bucks a month to get it. I highly recommend you get you packages off of the group IP and put into its own. It makes it safer for you.

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    Hi Jeff I found Maxbloggpress, I guess they have their own site I was searching on WP plugin site

    The only one I have a question on is Easy Privacy Policy
    The only one I could find is called

    Google Privacy Policy
    Is this ok ?
    WordPress › Google Privacy Policy « WordPress Plugins
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      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Hi Jeff I found Maxbloggpress, I guess they have their own site I was searching on WP plugin site

      The only one I have a question on is Easy Privacy Policy
      The only one I could find is called

      Google Privacy Policy
      Is this ok ?
      WordPress › Google Privacy Policy « WordPress Plugins
      Yup, that is another one that you can use.

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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Jeff when you say safer , and individual hosting accounts, unique IP etc
    do you mean each of your adsense sites has a unique IP?
    Thanks Jeff
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      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Jeff when you say safer , and individual hosting accounts, unique IP etc
      do you mean each of your adsense sites has a unique IP?
      Thanks Jeff
      That would get pricey after awhile. But no, you should limit each hosting account to about 10 websites, and then each account have its own IP. It just makes it safer if Google decides to penalize an entire IP block ( it has been known to happen ).

      Plus, with different IP addresses you can actually interlink them together to get some links. You wouldn't link the sites on the same account, but between different accounts with their own unique IPs it is perfectly fine.

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    OK thanks Jeff
    I know I can add IP addresses at my host for like 1 dollar per month
    But
    I did ask one time is this separate C class IPs
    and they said, sometimes, but you cannot request that (dont even know if its important)

    they said whatever IP C class you get is just random
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  • Profile picture of the author happygarg
    Difference between Adsense and Amazon:

    Google Adsense:
    Google AdSense offers various types of advertisements. Google AdSense ads are either pay per click or cost per click (CPC), cost per 1000 impressions (CPM) and pay per action.. etc. In the first, advertiser pay only when visitors click on the ads, in the second advertisers pay the moment an ad is displayed, and the third, the hardest, advertiser only pay when visitor perform some action such as purchasing the product on offer. Associates may be attributed to the fact that Google AdSense ads were placed in more prominent positions above the fold.

    Amazon:
    Amazon Associates only offers one. Amazon associates only offers ads on the basis of pay per action, that is, only when visitors purchase for Amazon's offerings. Amazon Associates ads were placed in less prominent positions below the fold.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    One tip I just discovered today
    Usually when I research a niche, I get attached to certain kws
    and then I think "I know the kws that get searched on this niche"

    WRONG
    In the one new niche I was searching, I was having a hard time finding enough kws
    with 500 searches a month I wanted about 30 or more

    Then I went back to the adwords kw tool, and I unchecked exact and put broad
    and then I unchecked ....only related to my term

    so it would bring up ALL related kw terms

    found a ton of ones I had not thought of
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  • Profile picture of the author VinceMaxwell
    Adsense but only because i live in Cali and they banned us.

    I currently own a authority site last yr I was experimenting with amazon. Its only great if you have a list you can blast to which can easily make you a lot of money in a little time frame. Adsense feels more consistent.

    If you want adsense to do well. Offer amazing content, make sure your template works with the site, adsense colors are similar to things people click on your site and your continuously removing some of the advertisers not relevant to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
    Originally Posted by outwest View Post

    Jeff real quick question you say only 500 searches per month is worth the time

    what if the CPC is $10,$15,$20 $25
    I go as low as 300 ( 10 searches a day ) if I cant find enough.

    DO NOT GO WITH BROAD SEARCHES!!! Broad searches refer to searches with any combo of those words. So if you choose "radical blue widgets" the broad match shows when each individual word is searched, in any combination of other words as well.

    Only use exact!!

    When looking at the CPC of your word check in the Contextual Targeting Tool inside Google Adwords. These are the prices that are being paid in the content ( adsense ), where the the prices normally show are for searches.

    -- Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author patrich
    Jeff, I have a question for you if you don't mind.

    I saw in one of your earlier posts that after publishing a new post on one of your sites, you right 10 BMR articles for that new post. You then later go back and continue link building that page until it reaches the top 3, did I get that correct?

    My question is, what are you doing/using to further build links for the new posts on your sites? Do you continue to use BMR until you reach your desired ranking or do you use something else?

    Thanks for all of the info by the way, very helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by patrich View Post

      Jeff, I have a question for you if you don't mind.

      I saw in one of your earlier posts that after publishing a new post on one of your sites, you right 10 BMR articles for that new post. You then later go back and continue link building that page until it reaches the top 3, did I get that correct?

      My question is, what are you doing/using to further build links for the new posts on your sites? Do you continue to use BMR until you reach your desired ranking or do you use something else?

      Thanks for all of the info by the way, very helpful.
      My initial back linking methods use hootsuite and ping.fm. I am also going to be testing out WPSocialPipes which expands like 100 fold what I do with ping,fm for initial back links.

      Then, my primary links are built using BMR. I have found that with the strength that BMR holds you don't need a whole lot more. If you want, sure, build more. But the QUALITY of BMR is what counts in the end.

      So yes, I keep plugging BMR links at my site, until I get the rankings I want. I do this for each keyword. It takes some time yes, but since I start with the easiest ones to rank for first, I get more keywords ranked quicker than if I focused on the ones with the most traffic, because they are the ones that are usually the hardest to rank for and take longer.

      -- Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Greenfatman
    Jeff , this thread belongs to you ,mate

    Thanks a lot...

    What about the backlinks? Do you see any problem in building links to the pages fast????
    Let's say: 600 links in 3 weeks after the site has been indexed...

    Regards,

    Federico
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by Greenfatman View Post

      Jeff , this thread belongs to you ,mate

      Thanks a lot...

      What about the backlinks? Do you see any problem in building links to the pages fast????
      Let's say: 600 links in 3 weeks after the site has been indexed...

      Regards,

      Federico
      Well with ping.fm I get about 20 backlinks through that each time I make a new post/page. Then I make 10/day with BMR.

      You don't need a ton of links to get ranked in Google. Not by a long shot. Use high quality ones from networks like BMR and you will see some amazing results!!

      -- Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author xTrav
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    @Jeff: Do you capture e-mails from visitors also?
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by xTrav View Post

      @Jeff: Do you capture e-mails from visitors also?
      No, on an adsense site I strictly stay with making money from adsense.

      -- Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author sasai
    I am sorry, BMR is a software? Worth to buy one?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr SAI
    On my website I use Adsense for main income and Amazon for secondary choice for site visitors. That works pretty well.

    btw Thanks Jeff for his inputs through this post. learn a lot and got some idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author katied772
      Hi Jeff,
      I apologize if you have already covered this.
      You say you put multiple posts on your home page. Do you then assign them to a category and if so doesn't that make for duplicate content on your site?
      Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greenfatman
    How funny this thread is, no one mentioned amazon strategies, just an example how adsense is amazing.
    We hope Jeff will be back with more great info
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Walker
    I can't believe how much lies and "no nothing" are in this thread.
    Amazon > Adsense
    Unless you have no experience you should know that. Seriously. The ratio of amazon to adsense and the difference is really big. around 3:1.
    Even though amazon needs buyer keywords, it is much worth it.

    And above someone said they are making $500 per month with AdSense. I call BS.
    You can make that easily with affiliate marketing and amazon but not adsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
      Originally Posted by Nick Walker View Post

      And above someone said they are making $500 per month with AdSense. I call BS.
      You can make that easily with affiliate marketing and amazon but not adsense.
      This statement couldn't be more false! Where do you get the idea that it's impossible to make $500+ per month using nothing more than Adsense? There are thousands of people not only earning that, but MUCH MORE each month.

      I've seen you post the same thoughts in other threads regarding Adsense. Maybe you've had a bad experience and were not able to earn any "good" money from Adsense, but that doesn't mean that others don't absolutely CRUSH IT every month.

      It's just as easy for me to say "You can't earn $500 per month with Amazon, Clickbank or affiliate marketing in general" - but there is no point, especially when it's clear that people are doing this and much more every single month.

      Point is, your claims of being unable to earn this type of income with Adsense don't have a ground to stand on, but two each his own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greenfatman
      Originally Posted by Nick Walker View Post

      I can't believe how much lies and "no nothing" are in this thread.
      Amazon > Adsense
      Unless you have no experience you should know that. Seriously. The ratio of amazon to adsense and the difference is really big. around 3:1.
      Even though amazon needs buyer keywords, it is much worth it.

      And above someone said they are making $500 per month with AdSense. I call BS.
      You can make that easily with affiliate marketing and amazon but not adsense.
      Hello sir, I totally disagree with your statement about adsense, loads of people are making money right now with adsense while I'm writing this post....

      Could you please post any strategy to make money with Amazon??? (Jeff done with adsense), it looks like you're doing well with Amazon, any infomartion it would be appreciated.

      Regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by Nick Walker View Post

      I can't believe how much lies and "no nothing" are in this thread.
      Amazon > Adsense
      Unless you have no experience you should know that. Seriously. The ratio of amazon to adsense and the difference is really big. around 3:1.
      Even though amazon needs buyer keywords, it is much worth it.

      And above someone said they are making $500 per month with AdSense. I call BS.
      You can make that easily with affiliate marketing and amazon but not adsense.
      If you dont know that lots of people make more than 500 a month with Adsense perhaps you need to get out more
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    • Profile picture of the author vok
      Originally Posted by Nick Walker View Post

      I can't believe how much lies and "no nothing" are in this thread.
      Amazon > Adsense
      Unless you have no experience you should know that. Seriously. The ratio of amazon to adsense and the difference is really big. around 3:1.
      Even though amazon needs buyer keywords, it is much worth it.

      And above someone said they are making $500 per month with AdSense. I call BS.
      You can make that easily with affiliate marketing and amazon but not adsense.
      Your ignorance to the topic in hand is starting to show. Adsense is an 'affiliate' program, and that comment "You can make that easily with affiliate marketing and amazon but not adsense.", is totally fabricated.
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      • Profile picture of the author mickd
        Hi everyone.

        thanks Jeff for all this amazing info, I really enjoyed this thread.

        Jeff mentioned earlier on in his backlinking strategy that he used hootsuite
        linked to ping.fm and opened accounts with some of the social media sites
        listed in Ping.fm.
        so my question is when you do this,
        1. do you this for every site. I mean set all the accounts created in ping.fm are being used for just the 1 site. or you use this system for other niche sites you have. :confused::confused: sorry hope thats clear.
        2. when you set up the accounts in ping.fm, ie: like facebook, do you give youre real details or create a false avatar for each account you set up

        I guess what im trying to say is if I have 10 adsense sites do I create 10 different facebook, twitter, tumblr ect accounts via ping.fm

        thanks in advance
        Mickd
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  • Profile picture of the author ibcopy
    Hello, I am new here and could sure use some help with adsense.
    any advice where I can get the best training would be appreciated.
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author tonyalves
      There are so many good Adsense courses, ebooks and coaching programs out there.

      Just Google "best adsense course" with or without the quotes and you will find a few.

      You can then Google the name of the course and add "warrior forum" after the name like this: "product warrior forum" and you will probably find unbiased reviews of that particular product in the Warrior Forum.

      Some warriors also offer Adsense WSO's, so you can check them as well.

      In fact, I am one of them so you could take a look at my own WSO

      Just click the banner in my sig below

      I hope that this helps.

      To your success,
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      Originally Posted by ibcopy View Post

      Hello, I am new here and could sure use some help with adsense.
      any advice where I can get the best training would be appreciated.
      Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Greenfatman
      Originally Posted by ibcopy View Post

      Hello, I am new here and could sure use some help with adsense.
      any advice where I can get the best training would be appreciated.
      Thanks
      Hello,

      Wellcome to this amazing forum, you can find loads of threads about adsense...

      I found a guy called Spencer on here, just go on his site through the pages and especially the comments on the posts, you will find everything you need to get start with free information, you can also contact him with any question.

      Here is the link: Niche Pursuits | Find Business Ideas, Niche Websites, and Much More!

      Regards,






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  • Profile picture of the author John Hocking
    Adsense pays when the visitor clicks on an ad link. You get the money one month after you reach $100 in your earn income.

    Amazon pays when someone pays for an Item. The more items bought in a month, the more commission you get per items retroactive to the start of the month. You get the check 2 months after you earn the income.
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  • Profile picture of the author fastlancer
    well since no info was given on the subject matter, i'd say Adsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nishu
    Is there any other adsense service apart from google adsense ??? plz tell me coz google has deactivate my adsense a/c
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  • Profile picture of the author CarmenDA
    Jeff you are offering great advice! Thanks for all the suggestions. I can't wait to try out wordpress sooner than later.
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  • Profile picture of the author kuma456y
    Hi does having amazon with adsense cause any hassles with adsense? will you lose profits?
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    I believe that Adsense is better and can make money for you easier and more. I never tried Amazon and i think its not perfect as Adsense. But it can be an alternative for Adsense if you can't use Adsense for any reason.
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