Excessive link building

varshyl111

14 years ago

I don't think that rank should be down by excessive links but links should be relevant and quality websites

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magic99

14 years ago

I agree with varshyl111 that excessive links shouldn't be reason of ranking down but quality of links is more important than quantity so dont make links from link farm that may be harmful

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ricky709

14 years ago

Will you be able to keep building the links at the same rate in the future? Google will definitely find it out..excessive link building is not a good advice...it is rightly said..it is not about quantity..it is all about quality.

Try to get quality backlinks instead of getting crappy backlinks

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swym

14 years ago

Agree with ricky709. Keep it slow and steady. Consistency is the key.

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tajrocher

14 years ago

I agree. You should always maintain consistency in creating backlinks.

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linkassistant

14 years ago

It depends on particular link building methods you use. If you post 1 mln spam comments on low-PR thematically-irrelevant forums a day, well, Google might find it suspicious. If you write a viral post that gets 1 mln tweets a day - it's a totally different story.

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volaer 14 years ago

No excessive link building.... But if you do it soon, let's say thousands of links in just a couple of weeks, it will probably get you sandboxed.
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eurekapsycrille

14 years ago

I've seen many people who blasted their sites with backlinks and didn't experienced the what you called "sandbox?!" And actually get good ranking in Google SERP. Good thing about it is that, they've stayed there a long time using keywords with very high level of competition. They only lost their ranking due to more competitive niches have dominated the SERP. No "sandbox" or whatever you call it that caused their sites to lost their ranking.

So logically, Google will not crawl your backlinks all at the same time. However, yes I do believe that Google penalizes sites having links from crappy niches (according to Google webmaster guidelines). Another thing is that when you read the whole guidelines, you will not find any statements saying that you shouldn't blast your site with thousands of backlinks.

Not to step on someone's concept about this matter, but I don't believe that the so called "excessive link building" will hurt your site unless you get bunches of links from crappy websites.

So, I would like to suggest you to get links as much as you can and maintain your consistency in link building. Though I don't want you to think that I'm just making a fraud statement about this, so I want you to read and understand the Google webmaster guidelines since we are aiming to get good ranking in Google.

Webmaster Guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help

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Affillionaire

14 years ago

Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille

I've seen many people who blasted their sites with backlinks and didn't experienced the what you called "sandbox?!" And actually get good ranking in Google SERP. Good thing about it is that, they've stayed there a long time using keywords with very high level of competition. They only lost their ranking due to more competitive niches have dominated the SERP. No "sandbox" or whatever you call it that caused their sites to lost their ranking.

So logically, Google will not crawl your backlinks all at the same time. However, yes I do believe that Google penalizes sites having links from crappy niches (according to Google webmaster guidelines). Another thing is that when you read the whole guidelines, you will not find any statements saying that you shouldn't blast your site with thousands of backlinks.

Not to step on someone's concept about this matter, but I don't believe that the so called "excessive link building" will hurt your site unless you get bunches of links from crappy websites.

So, I would like to suggest you to get links as much as you can and maintain your consistency in link building. Though I don't want you to think that I'm just making a fraud statement about this, so I want you to read and understand the Google webmaster guidelines since we are aiming to get good ranking in Google.

Webmaster Guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help

1st of all yes there is such a thing as getting sandboxed. It's where your site (a fairly new one) will have pretty good rankings then all the sudden dissappers suddenly from the serps. Most of the time it happens BECAUSE people decide to by a 50+ link blast straight to their domain the first week its up and then get no links the next week and then does 1-5 links the next and so on. This is not the only way though theres other ways to get sandboxed, but this happens a lot.

1st of all people should never blast that many links to your domain to begin with at such an early start anyways, so slow social bookmarking, blog commenting, article marketing, Web 2.0 links should come first as those would look natural to Google. Then over time as your getting links from all those places and your site has some "trust" then that's when I suggest some faster and more continuous links , but always keep a steady link building campaign.

I always build my links like this......Think of how a natural approach of links would come. First I wait until my site gets indexed, then I'll think as if I'm just a "normal" visitor what would I do? Well I would social bookmark the site. Then I'm sure a few blog comments would be coming after that when other people see my bookmark, then a person reading the blog comment might want to write an article about it, someone might like that article an make a Squidoo lens with links all pointing to various pages or domains. You see the flow?

But one thing is for sure that someone that reads a post about losing weight isn't going to leave a comment on the BEST cell phone with a link pointing to www.Bestcellphone!.com either so don't do it. KEEP it all RELEVANT. Trust me it helps.

Then as time goes on, links can come from just about anywhere. Once you build that trust factor with relevant links and you have made top positions it's almost as if nothing can hurt you, as long as they stay consistent.

This is my personal experience and not that I laid out a "perfect step-by-step" approach, this works for me and I keep some pretty strong rankings on some fairly competitive keywords, so I know it works.

I have had some sites where I bought .edu packages and linkwheels from the WF in the past and my sites didn't rank better if anything some dissappeared almost over night. Some came back (not with GREAT rankings) after 3 mo.'s and some I'm still trying to get back because before I bought the packages they were bring in good money, but Google I think hates the site now, or something cause I can't get it back at all!

But anyways this went longer than I thought it would, hopefully this helps someone thats struggling to get rankings.

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Affillionaire

14 years ago

I just watched the video through the link you posted with Matt and he describes how to get links EXACTLY as I had laid out in my previous post.

I NEVER said "Don't do massive linkbuilding." What I was mainly focused on was that you shouldn't build to many to quickly and that's what Matt says also.

You need to build them organically so doing mass submissions of links isn't a "organic" like approach with new sites and when I say new I mean less than a year old. Not until you have plenty of quality backlinks already do I "personally" suggest a massive link blast. In which case I wouldn't go over 50 anyways. Because within the time Google crawls those sites "organically" w/o me pinging them it will still look natural.

So basically to cover this whole point, its not whether to create excessive links (because yes your right and Matt's right and I'm right, because I state to always create "consistent" links which will result in massive amounts of links), but just don't create them to fast, and do it in a way that looks organic, that's all.

Oh and here is a link you might find interesting on Google Forums: Sandbox

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14 years ago

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Affillionaire

14 years ago

Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille

Thanks for the information about that "sandbox". But I just want to ask if is there recent information about that?

About building links too quickly, the danger lies within the quality of the links the that you are getting. Again, as Google Webmaster Guidelines stated, getting links from bad neighborhood will eventually hurt your site. So if we will put it in a simple way, it speaks quality.

However, if you build links too fast with crappy links, then that's the time you'll get penalized. Another thing that I consider is that Google will not crawl your backlinks all at the same time. So I don't worry about getting links too fast. Maybe it's because I haven't experienced it yet. But we never know, but then again, I'm confident on what I'm doing since I am seeing good results from it for a long time.

Anyway, nice to have a conversation with you!

I really appreciate your thoughts!

You summed it up quite well. Yes I'm sure we agree in some ways more than one and both of our strategies are working for us, obviously. Everyone is going to have their own strategy, I guess.

But it all boils down to what Google wants whether we like it or not. So far I'm getting 70/30 (some good results some bad) with Google even though I do the same thing, just about, to all my sites.

I don't create links to fast anymore with backlink packages and my websites are doing well just by the daily grind of a few links here and a few links there, all good quality and relevant ofcourse.

So I'm cool with that. Well nice chattin with you too. About the sandbox thing, I'm not sure if there is recent content just always understood it as that.

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stephencammeron

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Affillionaire

1st of all yes there is such a thing as getting sandboxed. It's where your site (a fairly new one) will have pretty good rankings then all the sudden dissappers suddenly from the serps. Most of the time it happens BECAUSE people decide to by a 50+ link blast straight to their domain the first week its up and then get no links the next week and then does 1-5 links the next and so on. This is not the only way though theres other ways to get sandboxed, but this happens a lot.

The sandbox that you are referring here is just one of the biggest misconceptions or myths that goes with SEO. As I've read your posts, I'm quite sure that you're aware with the word "consistency". That word alone is enough to explain why that so called "sandbox" doesn't exist. Think outside the box.

Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille

Again, as Google Webmaster Guidelines stated, getting links from bad neighborhood will eventually hurt your site.

Oh, Just a little correction here, "links to bad neighborhoods" not "from". The distinction between those two are far too different.

Another thing that I consider is that Google will not crawl your backlinks all at the same time.

Definitely not, because if they do, that would contradict to the words that came out of Matt Cutts mouth. "It's not as if google.com got some number of backlink and then we cap it"

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

It doesn't matter how many links you build & how fast you build them.

What matters is the quality of the page that the link is on.

Ever heard of the word viral?

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Steven Miranda

14 years ago

Slow & steady is key. Is your site is 8 years old and has 10,000 backlinks already of course sending 2000 links to it probably won't raise any flags. New sites are in another bracket though. Link diversty is one of the most important factors I think along with link velocity and of course link quality.

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tigerwar

14 years ago

Absolutely right Steven,

blasting NEW sites is SUICIDE. I alway have 2-5 sites up for testing purposes only and believe me, I'm a hardcore tester for every update they throw at us..it's the worst thing you can do.

What is possible is posting one two articles out to 300 article directories in the first month+social bookmarking and rss feed using B2B(backlink to backling). In the second month you can consider more backlinks related to your blog.

You have to think logically; If you put up a new site,(NOT a NEWS site) or a video thats getting 100,000 views and backlinking to your site, how the hell could any know about it, they couldn't and google know that.

Patience is the key and BLs should be spread out evenly over time.

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Originally Posted by Steven Miranda

Slow & steady is key. Is your site is 8 years old and has 10,000 backlinks already of course sending 2000 links to it probably won't raise any flags. New sites are in another bracket though. Link diversty is one of the most important factors I think along with link velocity and of course link quality.

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tigerwar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Izaya

I disagree I blast all my new sites. Listen Op build as many links as you can. As long as your not sending 100k+ Spam links with Xrummer/black hat tools a day you don't have to to worry at all. 1-5k spammy link a day is fine.

I think your statement is DOWNRIGHT IGNORANT and IRRESPONSIBLE!

You leading newbies over the cliff!

OP...don't listen to this, I try this stuff out on test sites and NEW sites will be degraded.

The majority of people that say this are sellers of backlink services. Once you lose your ranking, they tell you that you did it the wrong way and attempt to sell you their backlink strategies, promising to get your site back up to the top.

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stephencammeron 14 years ago

Once you lose your ranking, they tell you that you did it the wrong way

Yeah, because they really didn't do it the right way.
However, I'm just wondering if those sellers does?
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tigerwar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Izaya

I hope your kidding. Do you actually even test anything, or do you just claim to have tested things? Whatever your doing tiger, your doing it horribly wrong.Why not search any competitive niches up and look at sites that are ranking and are under 1 year old, plenty have 100k+ links showing ( and that's just the links that are showing). Anyway if anything your completely ignorant, at least for competitive SEO.

Well first off Izaya,

I think the conversation is a little to harsh here at the moment and I'd like to try reduce it to a more pleasant level by appologizing for the word "ignorant" (sincerely).

I just get upset when people say things without showing any proof.

Anyways....I have already proved these facts on this forum and many know some of the tactics I use in order to reach #1 and even which sites. I don't preach anything that I don't practise and lot's of people here know that.

I have already made a post in this thread describing a site that was #1 and got attacked and degraded by simply blasting 24000 links from p0rn sites at it.

I proved this with 2 sites openly (by showing the rise and fall and domain names) here in the WF and I really don't want to have repost everything again having written 1000s of words in 100s of posts about it already. The topics were more related to how to get your site ranked rather than why a site can get degraded.

Below is an image of the competition that I was ranking for on #1 for 5 months, in fact I was on pages 1 to 3, if you count direct backlinks to this site using my articles 13 times and for a relatively high competition keywords.
As you can see in the image, they have millions of backlinks but I was able to kick them down with only about 1500 BLs which were spread out over approx. 7 months.

This wasn't a test site, but it is now

and was earning good cash untill they blasted it using proxies with the p0rn backlinks.

Now, I do have many websites and 90% are doing exceptionally well using the same techniques but the equation is simple.....those that I have blasted and the one site mentioned above, have all been degraded and stayed at positions of between #150-#300.

I am not trying to BS anyone here, I've openly proved this already and I'm simply sharing my experience.

Why do the majority of my sites that are not blasted stay at the top and above those with millions of links and and those that are blasted fall rapidly and don't recover?

You know, I only see certain people trying to knock my opinions, but none of them are proving anything to back their statements.
Obviously no one is expecting or asking people to openly publish their site here, HECK..no way! but it would be great to hear a few possitive techniques opposed to simply saying..."you have to do it correctly" or whatever.

I can explain why my sites stay at the top and how I get there but I can't explain why they fall when blasted, I can only prove that they do fall when blasted, which leads me and many others to the conclusion...DON'T blast NEW sites.

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- tigerwar 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille
  
  Sorry to interrupt you tigerwar, I just want to ask if a 3 months site can be considered as young domain?
  
  Well I hope someone jumps in to confirm, refute or add to this but IMHO anything under 2 years old is considered a new domain for the simple reason that too many spamm sites come and go which confirms the lack of intention of adding value to the internet. On the other hand there are also different levels of establishing a degree of trust = authority.
  
  Point to note would be(regarding backlinks)
  
  1. Attended opposed to neglected sites
  2. Authoritive opposed to unauthoritive sites(possibly seen as spammers)
  3. Socially Active opposed to inactive sites
  
  A site that is getting publicity/backlinks from high authority sites and/or press releases will or should result in natural organic->viral backlinks (dependant upon interest) and could establish an authority within days, whereas a site that has little to do with this, will need much longer and hence retain the "new website" classification.
  
  Sites with an obvious lack of continuity E.G. 3 months of posts and then left to go stale for 9 months but with a sudden interrest at the end of 12 months will be treated as a 1 day old domain because the "trust" or credibility" was simply never established.
  
  Basically if your site is 3 months old and highly active, you should be able to backlink accordingly but if you over do this, it will still get degraded according to my and others experience.
  
  A few people here are talking about blasting 5-10K per day or even minutes...sorry but if a 3 month old site is getting 100 visitors per day and I blast 5K of backlinks at it every day(not minutes), my 5 year old son could spot the difference(in terms of numbers on paper), what do you think the google algorithm can do?
  
  So to answere your question, in terms of the "normal" site and regarding credible backlinks, I would say anywhere upto 2 years
  
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paulgl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tigerwar

blasting NEW sites is SUICIDE. I alway have 2-5 sites up for testing purposes only and believe me, I'm a hardcore tester for every update they throw at us..it's the worst thing you can do.

That's just baloney. Pure BS. Makes me wonder what planet some of you
live on.

Boy, does my sig ever fit the crapola on the WF today, baby!

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tigerwar

14 years ago

Hey Paul,

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, that's ok but I am trying to assist the OP by helping him avoid common mistakes and my statements are based on facts. I can back these by tracking statistics.

Are you stating that it's possible to blast 1-5K backlinks per day and not get degraded by Google when doing this to a brand new PR0 website?

I am sure we'ld all be interested after your strong comment above, you appear to be an expert in this area.

Originally Posted by paulgl

That's just baloney. Pure BS. Makes me wonder what planet some of you
live on.

Boy, does my sig ever fit the crapola on the WF today, baby!

Paul

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stephencammeron 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tigerwar

Are you stating that it's possible to blast 1-5K backlinks per day

Oh, yes ofcourse.. Haven't you watch the video above? or rather read the earlier posts?

It's not as, if Google.com got some number of backlink and then we cap it
-Matt Cutts

and not get degraded by Google when doing this to a brand new PR0 website

Why should they anyway?
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JaySam

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tigerwar

Hey Paul,

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, that's ok but I am trying to assist the OP by helping him avoid common mistakes and my statements are based on facts. I can back these by tracking statistics.

Are you stating that it's possible to blast 1-5K backlinks per day and not get degraded by Google when doing this to a brand new PR0 website?

I am sure we'ld all be interested after your strong comment above, you appear to be an expert in this area.

Agreed with tigerwar, we are here to clear up some things about SEO, share some opinions, and if someone is confuse try to guide them not to act as a genius (as you think) because we are here to learn and not to compete with someone else to gain popularity in this forum.

being smart is not a basis to gain respect.

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jonnyhardbaked

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JaySam

Agreed with tigerwar, we are here to clear up some things about SEO, share some opinions, and if someone is confuse try to guide them not to act as a genius (as you think) because we are here to learn and not to compete with someone else to gain popularity in this forum.

being smart is not a basis to gain respect.

Yeah! agree with you Jay. We are here to clear things up. But I guess you have quoted a wrong statement.

Tigerwar's reply is not for clearing things up...Hope you understand his reply clearyl...

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tigerwar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jonnyhardbaked

Yeah! agree with you Jay. We are here to clear things up. But I guess you have quoted a wrong statement.

Tigerwar's reply is not for clearing things up...Hope you understand his reply clearyl...

Don't know where you get that idea from Jonny,

Also quoting that video doesn't help matters, it is old in terms og google algorythm...since then there have been a few updates which apparently radically change the way google reacts to certain backlinking techniques.

I've written so many times in different threads regarding the changes thru the farmer and panda that I only half heartedly answered in this thread.
It was more of a warning than an explanation.

It is obvious that "viral" backlinking can't simply be stopped in its tracks and hence the number won't play a negative roll, but simulating a viral blast of backlinks (such as twitter/facebook) is not only hard to do, especially without the right tools but it's also not the strategy used by most newbies.

The majority just see the shiny promises of 1000s of backlinks, the how, where and who has the control don't normally come to mind

Backlink questions are rarely specific and the meaning of backlinks is very often misunderstood.
(A) posting links only to PR3 and upwards in blasts of 1000s leaves a footprint
(B)Posting to blogs with 2 to 3 links on a blog without any form of content in blasts of 1000s leaves a footprint.

(C) posting to blogs using only "dofollow" by the 1000s (even 500) leaves an obvious footprint and are picked up as spamming the index.(so my statistics and those from others).

So as I've explained many times in various other threads(sorry), Variation is the key

now you can take me apart if thats the priority here

I'm sure something useful will come out of this

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Affillionaire

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tigerwar

Don't know where you get that idea from Jonny,

Also quoting that video doesn't help matters, it is old in terms og google algorythm...since then there have been a few updates which apparently radically change the way google reacts to certain backlinking techniques.

I've written so many times in different threads regarding the changes thru the farmer and panda that I only half heartedly answered in this thread.
It was more of a warning than an explanation.

It is obvious that "viral" backlinking can't simply be stopped in its tracks and hence the number won't play a negative roll, but simulating a viral blast of backlinks (such as twitter/facebook) is not only hard to do, especially without the right tools but it's also not the strategy used by most newbies.

The majority just see the shiny promises of 1000s of backlinks, the how, where and who has the control don't normally come to mind

Backlink questions are rarely specific and the meaning of backlinks is very often misunderstood.
posting links only to PR3 and upwards in blasts of 1000s leaves a footprint
Posting to blogs with 2 to 3 links on a blog without any form of content in blasts of 1000s leaves a footprint.

posting to blogs using only "dofollow" by the 1000s (even 500) leaves an obvious footprint and are picked up as spamming the index.(so my statistics and those from others).

So as I've explained many times in various other threads(sorry), Variation is the key

now you can take me apart if thats the priority here

I'm sure something useful will come out of this

cheers
TW

I also agree with that also, thats why I continue to throw in pr1+ links everywhere and nofollow links because naturally that's the way its gonna be.

Now don't get me wrong I know the importance of High PR links but every authority site has links on N/A and PR0 sites too not all PR5 sites links are left ONLY on PR5+ sites.

Overall this is what I do and it's working for most of my sites, so I can only speak for myself, but I do have some sites that I don't know what the hell happened to their rankings and still trying to work on that.

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jonnyhardbaked

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tigerwar

Don't know where you get that idea from Jonny,

TW

Wooo...Did I say Anything offensive about your reply? I just reminded Jaysam about clearing things up..

But If I offended you, I humbly say sorry for that...

And oh..Anyway, thanks for that information....When I get a hard time in my SEO, I would surely rely on that..

But for now, I will just stick to my techniques that I found very effective....

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tigerwar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jonnyhardbaked

Wooo...Did I say Anything offensive about your reply? I just reminded Jaysam about clearing things up..

But If I offended you, I humbly say sorry for that...

And oh..Anyway, thanks for that information....When I get a hard time in my SEO, I would surely rely on that..

But for now, I will just stick to my techniques that I found very effective....

no Jonny,

I'm not offended at all and I'm not participating in this thread to discuss whether someone is talking BS or not, rather I'm (as a few others) trying to add value by entering experience and results so that others are able to make their own picture and possibly benefit from them.

I'm happy to hear that your techniques are working for you. Unfortunately you haven't made any contribution here in the thread regarding how or what. I'm sure people would be more than interested for you to share at least one of your effective ways rather than just hear what you have to say about others. Last but not least, that's why you came here, right?

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jonnyhardbaked

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tigerwar

no Jonny,

I'm not offended at all and I'm not participating in this thread to discuss whether someone is talking BS or not, rather I'm (as a few others) trying to add value by entering experience and results so that others are able to make their own picture and possibly benefit from them.

I'm happy to hear that your techniques are working for you. Unfortunately you haven't made any contribution here in the thread regarding how or what. I'm sure people would be more than interested for you to share at least one of your effective ways rather than just hear what you have to say about others. Last but not least, that's why you came here, right?

cheers
TW

Woops! I have to thank you for reminding me that. I am just enjoying my time reading everyone's opinion on this thread (and yours as well).

However, I care for everybody on this forum that's why I'm giving my best to help others. Regarding on this thread, when I look at the topic, I think someone has already given the right answer. I'm just being practical..

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tigerwar 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jonnyhardbaked

But for now, I will just stick to my techniques that I found very effective....

what a shame for us all, I think we were all really looking forward to seeing your "effective techniques". Oh well....I suppose we'll just have to guess . Nevertheless, thanks a ton for your infomative contribution, it's always good to have such caring people

cheers
TW
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Peter Gehr

14 years ago

Slow, steady, regular, consistent, relevant.

These are the words that come to mind for backlinks.

If you're sporadic, erratic, irregular and irrelevant, Google will potentially slap you for it.

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EvanBeck

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Peter Gehr

Slow, steady, regular, consistent, relevant.

These are the words that come to mind for backlinks.

If you're sporadic, erratic, irregular and irrelevant, Google will potentially slap you for it.

This is probably the best advice on this thread. My experience says that you can overdo it if you have too many links too quick. Steady as she goes with creating a good solid link profile.

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jonnyhardbaked

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jalicia18

Hello folks. I just want to ask if excessive link building can cause your site gone suddenly for a certain keyword? How does Google will treat on this? Is it just fine? I want to hear your thoughts on this.

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nicoleanderson

14 years ago

Excessive link building can be harmful if these links will be coming from non relevant sites but as long as you submit links to related niche sites there will be no harm at all. Furthermore, depending on quantity will not give you good results if there is no quality at all.

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akasheg

14 years ago

Well that depends on how do you define excessive link building. If your site generates 100 (just a number) links every day and keeps doing that all the time then its not excessive because that will be treated as an authority site. But suppose your site generates 10 links a day and suddenly it gets 1000 links in a very short time then that's suspicious.

Search engines will initially rank you high because of the excessive number of links but as with time when they find that the links have been generated unnaturally your ranks will decline and can even getpenalized.

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Jacko 14 years ago

If you have a too new website
it is not a good idea to blast zillion backlinks at once.

Consistent high PR backlinks do much better work
for new and old websites.
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vince04

14 years ago

How we can say that it's an excessive link building? Like creating 100 links a day? Is there an exact quantity to say it's an excessive link building?

Can you say 8 links on a different private authority sites per day every weekdays is safe? :s

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Anna Howard

14 years ago

get this straight and clear, if you preform extensive link building for your website, it makes your website to appear as a spamming content and hence can penalize your website....

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melltonroper

14 years ago

Excessive link building makes your site prone to sandbox!

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erikfast

14 years ago

Which raises another point...the only way to know for sure is to test. Who defines what is "excessive" anyway? Excessive is by itself a relative term, so it follows that the quantity of backlinks built over time is consistent, the link building won't appear extreme.

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infoseowebmaster 14 years ago

Link building is benefit for seo but it will thematic and quality.
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14 years ago

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stephencammeron 14 years ago

Originally Posted by onlycube

i think quality over quantity is good for link building

But quality and quantity is better.
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breezynetworks

14 years ago

Oh gawd, another sandbox debate

Seriously, just keep your links steady and let google find them naturally (dont use indexing tools)

Hope that helps

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dvdshrink

14 years ago

Yes Google consider spamming of excessive link building for the site......

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rosesmark

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jalicia18

Hello folks. I just want to ask if excessive link building can cause your site gone suddenly for a certain keyword? How does Google will treat on this? Is it just fine? I want to hear your thoughts on this.

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Excessive link building is not a good advice.Do only 25 link building per day.This is my opinion man...

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jackwebson

14 years ago

Its okay to be excessive as long as the links are purely organic. But if your links are spammy then that's the bad thing about it.

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lsamarketer

14 years ago

According to Terry Kyle of the Backlinks Forum, and I believe he cited a statement by Matt Cutts of Google;
If excessive surges of backlinks could cause Google to devalue a site, the a competitor could use that as a weapon to shoot down sites that they are trying to outrank. Google is not going to analyze who posted the links or why.

Think about it; If someone knew they could knock you out of the number 1 spot by sending surges of links to your site, everyone would be engaging in "link wars."

Excessive linking won't hurt your site. It is the failure to continue building links that will affect your site.

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adrenalinfeed

14 years ago

Focus on building good links instead of lots. One of the best techniques I know, is to submit your site to css galleries. Or even better; Pay somebody $20, and They will submit your site to 100 different of them. It requires a great design, but I can promise you, it´s worth it.

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netdev

14 years ago

Just don't go super fast when it comes to link building, just take your time. I don't see it being too bad to have a lot of backlinks, but than again google is a tricky beast and can easily sandbox you. But yeah, good luck!

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jonnyhardbaked

14 years ago

Originally Posted by netdev

Just don't go super fast when it comes to link building, just take your time. I don't see it being too bad to have a lot of backlinks, but than again google is a tricky beast and can easily sandbox you. But yeah, good luck!

Originally Posted by melltonroper

Excessive link building makes your site prone to sandbox!

Sandbox! Sandbox! Sandbox! Sandbox! Sandbox!

Oh my sandbox!

I would rather believe that sandbags exist than sandbox!

NOTE: Does Google released a recent statement about this matter? As far as I know, they've already released some statements on various website ranking issues. But not on this one (correct me if I'm wrong) even the debate has exploded years ago.

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michelcarloss 14 years ago

Yes I agree with you but maintain consistency of link building....
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tigerwar

14 years ago

then do what what you gotta do, but don't come back crying!

I can only warn on basis of testing "many" brand new PR0 sites with unique and re-optimized content..The results are always the same.

It's something totally different if you have an older "clean" domain with a higher PR

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presidentleaf

14 years ago

quality links/maintain velocity

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jonnyhardbaked

14 years ago

Like Pilato has said, Another pure champion's stuff Cammeron!

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Melissa82

14 years ago

Do as many backlinks as you want but do it consistently. If you have an automated method to build them in large quantities keep track of what you do weekly and make it a routine.

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tigerwar

14 years ago

And there is such a thing as BAD backlinks, the proof here was having presented one of my successful sites to the public in a forum. I used the site as an example of practising good SEO, coupled with good unique content. It was ranking no.1 for highly competitive keywords and doing extemely well. I was warned that the following could happen and in fact, I expected it to happen and took the full responsibility.

Basically I was bombarded with 24000 backlinks within 1 month from p0rn sites in an attempt to discredit it....it worked, the site dropped from #1 to around 200-400 in a matter of days and has not jet recovered and is now only ranking #3 for the main keywords.

previous to the attack I was between #1 and #5(not page) for multiple other keywords.

there are a few links from so-called google authorities regarding these topics where they attempt to say such possibilities don't exist but they are pretty old from 2008 to middle 2010 and I don't really care for them since the new updates.

I have proof enough of what actually happens, I have no need or desire to misinform people(the OP) who are looking for help!

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Affillionaire

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tigerwar

And there is such a thing as BAD backlinks, the proof here was having presented one of my successful sites to the public in a forum. I used the site as an example of practising good SEO, coupled with good unique content. It was ranking no.1 for highly competitive keywords and doing extemely well. I was warned that the following could happen and in fact, I expected it to happen and took the full responsibility.

Basically I was bombarded with 24000 backlinks within 1 month from p0rn sites in an attempt to discredit it....it worked, the site dropped from #1 to around 200-400 in a matter of days and has not jet recovered and is now only ranking #3 for the main keywords.

previous to the attack I was between #1 and #5(not page) for multiple other keywords.

there are a few links from so-called google authorities regarding these topics where they attempt to say such possibilities don't exist but they are pretty old from 2008 to middle 2010 and I don't really care for them since the new updates.

I have proof enough of what actually happens, I have no need or desire to misinform people(the OP) who are looking for help!

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Hey I'm not dissagreeing with you there, but I had a site that was ranking pretty good on the 1st page and bring in some good sales and now is sitting at the same page range. I've tried to continuously build links to the site and I can't get it back to the 1st page, How did you get yours back?

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tigerwar

14 years ago

Hey Affillionaire

Well that depends on what kind of backlinks got you degraded. E.G. the (B) type above are a killer because they there's obviously no content(hence spaming the index) and these are offered everywhere! Basically you have to simulate some form of interest which can be achieved fairly easily by means of B2B via RSS to those links and pinging them on a regular basis. If the links never get pinged, they will simply be ignored at some stage and your site dies with them.

There are many backlinking offers that include pinging these, the problem is, is that many ping them all at once. That's similar to turning a light on at night in the middle of the Sahara desert and sticking your head in the sand so that nobody finds you.

Spread out B2B simulates a viral effect rather than direct "spamming" inbound links.

Using B2B whilst at the top has an awsome effect of strengthening(per volume) your existing links but when you've been kicked as I was in the above case, it won't help too much.

The only thing that has really helped(on different test sites) was to create keyword related content and drive direct backlinks to those(using article submissions) + RSS B2B to those submissions. The important thing was then to backlink "INTERNALLY" from the new content to the older(harmed) content(not vice versa). This basically builds a net behind the older content and drives it back up without forcing direct preasure on the already "branded backlinks". Of course, you don't over do the internal linking and I found that a steady growth of B2B to the (B) links mentioned in the above post helped exceptionally well opposed to simply adding new "Direct" backlinks to the "harmed" content.

and btw...the majority of this can be automated once setup

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Originally Posted by Affillionaire

Hey I'm not dissagreeing with you there, but I had a site that was ranking pretty good on the 1st page and bring in some good sales and now is sitting at the same page range. I've tried to continuously build links to the site and I can't get it back to the 1st page, How did you get yours back?

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Affillionaire

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tigerwar

Hey Affillionaire

Well that depends on what kind of backlinks got you degraded. E.G. the (B) type above are a killer because they there's obviously no content(hence spaming the index) and these are offered everywhere! Basically you have to simulate some form of interest which can be achieved fairly easily by means of B2B via RSS to those links and pinging them on a regular basis. If the links never get pinged, they will simply be ignored at some stage and your site dies with them.

There are many backlinking offers that include pinging these, the problem is, is that many ping them all at once. That's similar to turning a light on at night in the middle of the Sahara desert and sticking your head in the sand so that nobody finds you.

Spread out B2B simulates a viral effect rather than direct "spamming" inbound links.

Using B2B whilst at the top has an awsome effect of strengthening(per volume) your existing links but when you've been kicked as I was in the above case, it won't help too much.

The only thing that has really helped(on different test sites) was to create keyword related content and drive direct backlinks to those(using article submissions) + RSS B2B to those submissions. The important thing was then to backlink "INTERNALLY" from the new content to the older(harmed) content(not vice versa). This basically builds a net behind the older content and drives it back up without forcing direct preasure on the already "branded backlinks". Of course, you don't over do the internal linking and I found that a steady growth of B2B to the (B) links mentioned in the above post helped exceptionally well opposed to simply adding new "Direct" backlinks to the "harmed" content.

and btw...the majority of this can be automated once setup

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Yeah I heard about a method close to that and was trying to get around to it by setting up TBS articles and inputting it into AMR and then using scrapebox to mass submit to those articles. Basically build a net of buffer sites and then build mass links to those articles or web 2.0 sites but have been focused on other getting other sites ranked well also, so I will give your method a try as soon as I get a chance and will let you know when I get some results. Thanks for the feedback.

BTW if you have an exact method you'd like to share feel free to PM me, I'm always ready to learn something new! (automation and all)

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mmickeals

14 years ago

There is no such thing as excessive link building. There is only incorrect link building. I am not sure what you would consider excessive, but amongst my sites, I build about 10k links per minute, every minute of every day. When I see one of sites bounce down into the supposed "sandbox" I get excited. This is just a signal for me to ramp up linking activity to that site. Test this for yourself, but I am sure you will find that link velocity and link acceleration are far more important things to consider than what is mentioned in this thread.

It is true that sometimes a site will fall down in rankings when you begin to rapidly increase link velocity. All that this means is that your position is being recalculated. Every single time that this has happened to me, a continued increase in link velocity and acceleration has led to rapidly increasing rankings. I repeat that this has happened every single time. I always recommend that you take anything you hear with a grain of salt. The best knowledge is first hand knowledge, so test, test, and test. Warrior forum is a great site for alot of things, but to many people spout information that they have not tested, but just heard. And a great deal of what you hear is completly wrong.

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tigerwar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mmickeals

There is no such thing as excessive link building. There is only incorrect link building. I am not sure what you would consider excessive, but amongst my sites, I build about 10k links per minute, every minute of every day. When I see one of sites bounce down into the supposed "sandbox" I get excited. This is just a signal for me to ramp up linking activity to that site. Test this for yourself, but I am sure you will find that link velocity and link acceleration are far more important things to consider than what is mentioned in this thread.

It is true that sometimes a site will fall down in rankings when you begin to rapidly increase link velocity. All that this means is that your position is being recalculated. Every single time that this has happened to me, a continued increase in link velocity and acceleration has led to rapidly increasing rankings. I repeat that this has happened every single time. I always recommend that you take anything you hear with a grain of salt. The best knowledge is first hand knowledge, so test, test, and test. Warrior forum is a great site for alot of things, but to many people spout information that they have not tested, but just heard. And a great deal of what you hear is completly wrong.

Good luck.

Hi mmickeals,

Well the numbers are certainly very impressive and I do agree that not everything suggested, necessarily applies to every website.

I have already tried 10K, but not per min...jeeeesh! I tried 10K per day for about 6 months and as you claimed, the sites came back. Unfortunately they also disappeared for good in february this year...wiped from the surface and never to be seen again.

If anyone tries this, (and this is obviously only MHO) then I wouldn't suggest doing it on an authority site (a main income stream) rather on small niche sites designed for $20+ per month income, even better - autoblogs, unless of course you can carry the possible loss financially let alone all the personal time and effort involved to build an authority site.

Edit: also if your doing any testing, ensure to do this on a server with different IPs than your authority blog because if that get branded, you can start all over again.

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tigerwar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Affillionaire

Yeah I heard about a method close to that and was trying to get around to it by setting up TBS articles and inputting it into AMR and then using scrapebox to mass submit to those articles. Basically build a net of buffer sites and then build mass links to those articles or web 2.0 sites but have been focused on other getting other sites ranked well also, so I will give your method a try as soon as I get a chance and will let you know when I get some results. Thanks for the feedback.

BTW if you have an exact method you'd like to share feel free to PM me, I'm always ready to learn something new! (automation and all)

using TBS and AMR fits pretty well with this Tool to convert, submit,organize and ping your B2B RSS feeds automatically.It's a one time set-up and then your ready. In AMR you have the "Live Links" browser for the submitted directories which you can then simply paste into the tool and with TBS you can create the RSS spins much easier.

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xnice

14 years ago

Your website may have Google Dance. If your site is new and they are micro niches, you should not build too much links at beginning.

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tutoringmethods

14 years ago

Yes excessive link building consider as spamming..........

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shunks

14 years ago

As long as you dont force the indexing and the backlinks are not low quality Xrumer/Scrapebox spam you will be fine.

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bigballin6161

14 years ago

I have read times where people who have tested and yes too many backlinks will get you sandboxed or heavily penalized. Try doing a massive blast of scrapebox and xrummer to your homepage and seee what happens....

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mosthost

14 years ago

10,000 links a minute

Now there's some ambition!

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stephencammeron 14 years ago

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10,000 links a minute Now there's some ambition!

Well, if I do have 10,000 workers that gets 1 link per minute, then there's a 10,000 links per minute! LOL!
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nataliemussen

14 years ago

Just as long as you maintain the quality of your backlinks, I think it's not possible.

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dagaul101

14 years ago

I think building the links in a natural progression would convince Google that the links are not strange and worthy of being penalised

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goldradio

14 years ago

Building more and more links from relevant sites is always good, but if you try to spam and build irrelevant crappy links, there are chances that the value of those links taken down and the initial boost that we got through those links would be taken down..