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I know that a number of you probably use Build My Rank as part of you backlink strategy so you might be interested in this. I've heard a lot of talk about what the proper number of posts are per month in order to see real ranking improvement. In short, some have said that they post as much as possible while others say that they don't see much improvement after x number of posts. I am conducting a test to see if there's any truth behind either bit of logic.

The essence of the test is to take three keywords and put up three new pages. One keyword I'll use 10 BMR posts on, the second 20, and the third 30. Then we'll see what the difference is.

I've detailed everything at Build My Rank Test with specifics about the keywords and the competition for them.

If anyone has any thoughts on how to improve the test or questions about it, I'd love to hear them. If anyone knows of any similar testing I'd love to hear about it as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author bikeswine
      Originally Posted by majortraders View Post

      how much money does it make us? :p
      Always a valid question. If this pans out, it could save money if you're paying for posts that might not be getting you much extra benefit.
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  • Profile picture of the author d0rhk
    It's simple. BMR does work. I'm using it now with insane results.

    When you mix it with other SEO techniques and stellar on-page optimization it's amazing.

    It's tough because I'm doing it all myself and I'm not going to lie, writing 10+ 150 word articles each and every day can be mind numbing. But the results keep me going. The results I'm seeing are evidence that BMR, combined with other non-spammy and effective SEO techniques is all you typically need to rank a micro niche site or a basic affiliate site.

    I find in order for BMR to be worth while and basically worth the subscription you need to be utilizing it every day. You need to be posting 150+ posts per month atleast to get the most out of it. I've found the people who used it and didn't really find it effective were probably not posting enough. Maybe they were using it every day and they didn't have luck with it? I dont know.

    There's been posts like this before and talk about BMR results elsewhere on here and on other backlinking forums and websites.. It does work.

    I hope your test goes good.. Dont know how necessary it is, maybe you're just doing this to promote your blog.

    Either way have fun.
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    • Profile picture of the author bikeswine
      D0rhk, it's not a question of whether BMR works. I'm a pretty big fan and I've used to effectively in the past. The issue, to me, is one that you raise. You're putting up 150+ posts a month. What I'm trying to answer is whether it is necessary. I know some swear that you won't get anywhere unless you're posting this much or tackling a micro niche. On the other hand, I followed the Electron Plumber's test on this forum and he had pretty good results with only 98 posts over the course of six months and that was only using BMR.

      What I'm trying to determine is whether there really is a sweet spot (number of posts) or if the prevailing logic is true that you should post as much as you can.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank2
      Originally Posted by d0rhk View Post

      It's simple. BMR does work. I'm using it now with insane results.

      When you mix it with other SEO techniques and stellar on-page optimization it's amazing.

      It's tough because I'm doing it all myself and I'm not going to lie, writing 10+ 150 word articles each and every day can be mind numbing. But the results keep me going. The results I'm seeing are evidence that BMR, combined with other non-spammy and effective SEO techniques is all you typically need to rank a micro niche site or a basic affiliate site.

      I find in order for BMR to be worth while and basically worth the subscription you need to be utilizing it every day. You need to be posting 150+ posts per month atleast to get the most out of it. I've found the people who used it and didn't really find it effective were probably not posting enough. Maybe they were using it every day and they didn't have luck with it? I dont know.

      There's been posts like this before and talk about BMR results elsewhere on here and on other backlinking forums and websites.. It does work.

      I hope your test goes good.. Dont know how necessary it is, maybe you're just doing this to promote your blog.

      Either way have fun.
      So keep hitting BMR with 10 articles a day with smaller 150 word articles? Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dex88
      Originally Posted by d0rhk View Post

      It's simple. BMR does work. I'm using it now with insane results.

      When you mix it with other SEO techniques and stellar on-page optimization it's amazing.

      It's tough because I'm doing it all myself and I'm not going to lie, writing 10+ 150 word articles each and every day can be mind numbing. But the results keep me going. The results I'm seeing are evidence that BMR, combined with other non-spammy and effective SEO techniques is all you typically need to rank a micro niche site or a basic affiliate site.

      I find in order for BMR to be worth while and basically worth the subscription you need to be utilizing it every day. You need to be posting 150+ posts per month atleast to get the most out of it. I've found the people who used it and didn't really find it effective were probably not posting enough. Maybe they were using it every day and they didn't have luck with it? I dont know.

      There's been posts like this before and talk about BMR results elsewhere on here and on other backlinking forums and websites.. It does work.

      I hope your test goes good.. Dont know how necessary it is, maybe you're just doing this to promote your blog.

      Either way have fun.
      Thumbs up! totally agree with you here!
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  • Profile picture of the author n_touch
    I agree with Bikeswine. I have used it in the past and had great results with it. The one thing that you have to look at when looking at what d0rhk said is that he used it in conjunction with other SEO techniques. The one thing about all of the blog networks is that they are great and they will generate traffic, but you can not put everything into just that. It needs to be a mix of different things here and there. In no way did I put that much into it when I used it, and was happy with the results. I got good links, that were indexed quickly and did their job. Would I have done better if I posted more? Maybe, but I already was using so many other methods that I can not say that any bump was just due to BMR.
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  • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
    Originally Posted by bikeswine View Post

    I know that a number of you probably use Build My Rank as part of you backlink strategy so you might be interested in this. I've heard a lot of talk about what the proper number of posts are per month in order to see real ranking improvement. In short, some have said that they post as much as possible while others say that they don't see much improvement after x number of posts. I am conducting a test to see if there's any truth behind either bit of logic.

    The essence of the test is to take three keywords and put up three new pages. One keyword I'll use 10 BMR posts on, the second 20, and the third 30. Then we'll see what the difference is.

    I've detailed everything at Build My Rank Test with specifics about the keywords and the competition for them.

    If anyone has any thoughts on how to improve the test or questions about it, I'd love to hear them. If anyone knows of any similar testing I'd love to hear about it as well.
    What is the 10, 20 and 30 posts thing supposed to prove? If you want to make it even then you need to make the post count even as well.

    I read on your site about the search count. Well, that doesn't make any difference vs competition. You need to find keywords that have the same or close to there of the same competition to make the test worth while.

    Competition again is not done by the amount of pages that show up in quotes. It is the first page of Google that is your TRUE competition. You need to check out their on page SEO as well as the back links they have. That is the true way to find out your competition for ranking.

    Even the owners of BMR recommend at least a 20 - 30 posts per keyword to give it a chance. So doing any less might not show the desired results. Then again, it all depends on how competitive the keyword really is.

    Best of luck to you though.

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    • Profile picture of the author bikeswine
      Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

      Competition again is not done by the amount of pages that show up in quotes. It is the first page of Google that is your TRUE competition. You need to check out their on page SEO as well as the back links they have. That is the true way to find out your competition for ranking.
      -- Jeff
      Hi Jeff,
      I completely agree with you in regard to the competition issue. If page 1 is full of PR6 sites, then it's going to be next to impossible to crack. Although we normally are trying to reach page 1, I have no foolish assumptions that this is going to reach page 1 in a month. That's why I consider competing pages important.

      I'm making an assumption but I think it's a logical one that I will have more high PR competition if there are 10 million pages as opposed to 100,000.

      I won't really know until the test is complete, but I'm guessing that I might not even crack the top 30 using only BMR for 1 month. With that being the case, I couldn't care less what the guys on page 1 are doing but if I had to beat out some stiff competition to even get to 30, then it's important to factor in.
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  • Profile picture of the author rodanglee
    With all the backlinks leaking out of BMR, it makes you want to rethink that the whole shebang is worth it.

    Isn't it true that if you are PR4 and you linked to a PR1 site, without doing anything to both domain, after a certain amount of time the PR4 becomes PR3 while the PR1 becomes PR2?

    remember eureka? is this displacement theory true?
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    • Profile picture of the author bikeswine
      Originally Posted by rodanglee View Post

      With all the backlinks leaking out of BMR, it makes you want to rethink that the whole shebang is worth it.

      Isn't it true that if you are PR4 and you linked to a PR1 site, without doing anything to both domain, after a certain amount of time the PR4 becomes PR3 while the PR1 becomes PR2?

      remember eureka? is this displacement theory true?
      There's a certain amount of truth to this but nothing as drastic as what you say. If that were the case, we'd never link to anybody in order to protect our own PR. For instance, WF would have every reason to disallow links because each one would steal a bit of their juice.

      Specifically related to BMR, they backlink their posts so for every link that they have going out, they might have 50 social bookmarks pointing inward. So in reality if they're not getting stronger with each post because the bookmarks can't be worth much, then they should at least be breaking even.

      And all of this could become moot once G changes the way PR is calculated again. So I think the best strategy is to not get too worked up about and do what we know works right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author bikeswine
    Well, the first week of testing has been completed. If you want the full analysis you can read Week 1 results. Otherwise, here's my brief synopsis.

    The first week has not yielded anything definitive. The keyword that I sent the least backlinks to is outranking the middle keyword as is the keyword that I used the most backlinks.

    What's more confusing or frustrating is that the index page is the highest ranked page for two of my keywords while a wordpress tag page is tops for the third keyword. In other words, other parts of my site are outranking the pages that I'm trying to promote with BMR.

    I'm hoping that things will settle in another week and start to make sense. The only thing I am concluding at the moment is that big G likes index pages more than individual pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank2
      I see responses where people are saying "article marketing no longer works." I tried BMR and it seemed okay but I did the trial. The owners seem like good people.

      I am using UAW now and it seems okay but maybe i did not give BMR a fair shot. I was doing 400 page articles. Maybe I should do shorter articles but more of them. Thanks for any suggestions. Any others you would add to BMR - any freebies?
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    • Profile picture of the author d0rhk
      Originally Posted by bikeswine View Post

      Well, the first week of testing has been completed. If you want the full analysis you can read Week 1 results. Otherwise, here's my brief synopsis.

      The first week has not yielded anything definitive. The keyword that I sent the least backlinks to is outranking the middle keyword as is the keyword that I used the most backlinks.

      What's more confusing or frustrating is that the index page is the highest ranked page for two of my keywords while a wordpress tag page is tops for the third keyword. In other words, other parts of my site are outranking the pages that I'm trying to promote with BMR.

      I'm hoping that things will settle in another week and start to make sense. The only thing I am concluding at the moment is that big G likes index pages more than individual pages.
      So far your test is pointless. Two links to one... five to another and then seven. Seriously that will do nothing. Maybe if you have 10 competing pages you'd rank.

      Wait till you have 30 posts to a keyword, then come give us your results. Or when you have 50 in total pointing to a domain.

      After 20 or so posts (per keyword) I noticed a lot of movements in the SERPs and BMR showed it's muscle.

      After a month you'll realize it's a worth while investment of time and money.
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      • Profile picture of the author bikeswine
        Originally Posted by d0rhk View Post

        So far your test is pointless. Two links to one... five to another and then seven. Seriously that will do nothing. Maybe if you have 10 competing pages you'd rank.
        If I expected results in one week I wouldn't bother running the test for a month. I can say that I'm already seeing more movement at the start of the second week.

        For the others with questions on BMR:
        I'll echo what a number of others have already said, that this does work and I personally haven't encountered any Google ban for using it, nor have I heard of anyone else using it. The best practice is to use other backlink sources as well as BMR just to get a variety of sources out there.

        I'll also echo that once you reach close to the top, there will be much tougher competition. Right now I'm seeing jumps of 50 place with two posts but that won't happen near the top. That's not the point of this test and I don't mean to imply that you'll reach the top with only 30 posts. If you move from 500 to 50, you're still not going to get any search engine traffic so you'll need to do whatever is necessary to get up to that first page.

        I'd love to do a test to determine what is necessary to reach the first page with BMR but it would be relatively worthless because all I'd gain is what it took to reach page 1 with a certain amount of competition with no way to project that for other amounts of competition. Just know that many people have reached page 1 with BMR but it's not easy and not immediate. If it were, then everybody would already be doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ezra Anderson
    I'll be very interested to see how this turns out!
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    • I can testify that BMR definitely works. I use it and have got sites to rank using it. It takes a little more work because you have to type quality posts etc, but once you are making some money from your websites you could pay someone else to do this for you. I got someone to write posts for a dollar, and it took a lot of the hassle out of the whole process for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author WriteAid
    Does BMR work? Sure, BMR still has an effect and works.

    But you don't want to rely solely on BMR for all your backlinks.

    Are they high quality backlinks? Of course not. It shouldn't be your only backlink source, but they are easy to use to help build up your numbers and round out your backlink portfolio.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anna Howard
    Can i know as to how much one can gain benefit n going for and using this tool for the purpose of Backlinking. Furthermore do let me know this too as whether google place any ban or marks the website as spam if i go for and use this tool..... ?
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      I have about a thousand posts under my belt for BMR (i write posts for others as well) and BMR does work if used in the right context.

      One of the first domains i used it on to rank a moderate competition keyword got to page 1 with about 180 individual 150 word snippets. It took the most to get from page 2 to page 1. 10 posts per day gave me roughly a rank increase per spot from #15 - #6, then i bounced around between #6 and #9.

      I don't really see any advantage in doing more than 40 links per keyword per url from the domains i have tested on. If you are doing low competition keywords, do about 10 per keyword, max of about 20 then hit it with other high pr links.
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      • Profile picture of the author Yogini
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        I have about a thousand posts under my belt for BMR (i write posts for others as well) and BMR does work if used in the right context.

        One of the first domains i used it on to rank a moderate competition keyword got to page 1 with about 180 individual 150 word snippets. It took the most to get from page 2 to page 1. 10 posts per day gave me roughly a rank increase per spot from #15 - #6, then i bounced around between #6 and #9.

        I don't really see any advantage in doing more than 40 links per keyword per url from the domains i have tested on. If you are doing low competition keywords, do about 10 per keyword, max of about 20 then hit it with other high pr links.
        I also was wondering if you mean that after doing 40 links per keyword that you stop completely or if you mean that's it per month. I have gotten some phrases on page 1 but find it helps to do around ten or so again in consecutive months to keep the page 1 rankings, otherwise they sometimes have slipped to page 2. But I also find that article directories as well as guest blogging is important.

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    Heavysm

    When you explain the amount of BMR post per URL and keyword are those figures monthly or in total.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizzzybee
    do you need to post everyday on BMR for it to be effective?
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    • Profile picture of the author d0rhk
      Originally Posted by bizzzybee View Post

      do you need to post everyday on BMR for it to be effective?
      In a perfect world sure. But you can write 10 articles and schedule them. Or you can setup a domain to only post 1 post a day.. or 1-3, 4-6, etc they have a few you can choose from.

      So you could write 100 in one day and it would just post them every day for you. Up to a max of 10 per day per domain.

      I personally write every weekday because I find if I dont for 1-2 days I get lazy and don't want to get back to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author NLD
    Anything new?
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    What's the latest and greatest?
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  • Profile picture of the author bikeswine
    Sorry for my delay - terrible headaches and a crazy work schedule set me behind a week. I explain all in the post. The good news is that I'm at least seeing some results that make sense today so in the spirit of Thanksgiving this month, I'm thankful for that.
    To read all about how I suck or hopefully and more importantly, the test results, see BMR results week 2.

    Thanks for keeping the thread bumped up in my absence.

    Debbie - I can only speak from personal experience that 40 posts total isn't likely to land you on page 1. A consistent drip over several months is almost always better - unless of course you're trying to boost your rankings for Christmas and need it now. I expect that it will take several months to get where I want in the rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Latsyrc
    I also have a BMR case study going on with my site if you are interested OP. I slacked the past couple of months on it but made a new post yesterday.
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