by TolyZ
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Hey guys,
Not sure if it's google dance or my web site just got penalized or something, but for some reason my web site - Jobs in Medford Oregon, Online Classifieds | Rogue Valley Ads just dropped in rankings dramatically, I'm talking about 700+ position ...
I didn't create any backlinks for it for the past 2 month, basically I haven't touched it ... It was sitting in the top 5 for 2 main keywords, now I'm in 700+ ...

WTF?
#google #wtf
  • Profile picture of the author JRemington
    Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

    Hey guys,
    Not sure if it's google dance or my web site just got penalized or something, but for some reason my web site - Jobs in Medford Oregon, Online Classifieds | Rogue Valley Ads just dropped in rankings dramatically, I'm talking about 700+ position ...
    I didn't create any backlinks for it for the past 2 month, basically I haven't touched it ... It was sitting in the top 5 for 2 main keywords, now I'm in 700+ ...

    WTF?
    When did this happen?

    Many people are sick of Google at the moment even though it is meant to be "our friend". They are screwing the search results and turning them upside down.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    That happened to me, went to 700+ and stayed there for almost 3 months. I thought it was a Google dance at first, but hovering around the 700 mark is a dodgey place to be, I've never been in this position and it be a dance. Weird, annoying and depressing - but life must go on.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Why do you think google owes you a top ranking?
      Just because...?

      I don't get this, "Google owes me..." mentality.

      They owe you nothing, especially an explanation.

      They don't exist for you. You are trying to exist
      because of them. That's a bad way to look at it.

      Google just had record profits. So, it's quite comical
      when people say stuff like google is hurting everyone...

      Right.

      If you choose to live by google, you can die by google.

      If you can't take that as an option, then stop living
      by google.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Why do you think google owes you a top ranking?
        Just because...?

        I don't get this, "Google owes me..." mentality.

        They owe you nothing, especially an explanation.
        You repeat this mantra in lots of threads. Yet, I'm not sure (especially in this thread) anyone is saying Google "owes" anyone anything.

        It can be quite frustrating to have a site that ranks well for some amount of time and then suddenly go into the tank by 700 positions overnight.

        You confuse people who are venting frustration with those who feel they are "owed" something.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

          You repeat this mantra in lots of threads. Yet, I'm not sure (especially in this thread) anyone is saying Google "owes" anyone anything.

          It can be quite frustrating to have a site that ranks well for some amount of time and then suddenly go into the tank by 700 positions overnight.

          You confuse people who are venting frustration with those who feel they are "owed" something.

          Sorry....anyone who starts a thread with "WTF GOOGLE!" is obviously
          thinking that google is obliged to do something. What? Keep
          them top rated? For what reason? Because they think so? Because
          that's the way it's always been?

          Yukon, you repeat I said right after Pandamonium I. People will no
          longer claim sandbox, penalty, etc., now they got panda!

          Unfortunately, many times I do answer a legit question with a
          great answer. But those fly under the radar. And I'm not on the WF
          as much as before. The fireballs are more attractive...so it's
          not that my posts are inherently negative. The goal is to get
          people to succeed, me included. And to turn people away from
          the google is everything mentality. It's not. It's a large, public
          company that makes boatloads of money and owes something to
          it's searchers, employees, paid customers, and shareholders.

          If that means they don't like your site anymore, so be it. Move
          on. Adjust. Tweak. Be determined to succeed without google.

          99% of the complainers on the WF just have to look internally,
          as has been pointed out in this thread even. As well as many
          other things. Like sig links.

          And now you know the rest of the story...

          Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
          Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

          You repeat this mantra in lots of threads. Yet, I'm not sure (especially in this thread) anyone is saying Google "owes" anyone anything.

          It can be quite frustrating to have a site that ranks well for some amount of time and then suddenly go into the tank by 700 positions overnight.

          You confuse people who are venting frustration with those who feel they are "owed" something.
          It's become almost a ritual for Mr Paul to utter these things whenever there is a Google topic, starting to hurt my ears and eyes, lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

            It's become almost a ritual for Mr Paul to utter these things whenever there is a Google topic, starting to hurt my ears and eyes, lol.
            Repeat: Start a thread with "WTF GOOGLE!" and someone calls it like it is,
            well, 99.9999999999999999999999999% of these people have themselves
            to blame.

            Obviously, Yukon took it upon himself to call a spade a spade, pun intended.

            Look in the mirror and reflect...

            If you choose to make google your life, then create a page like that, and
            then blame google?!?!?!?! Holy crapola. What are you people thinking?
            Who is teaching this stuff?

            Paul
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            • Profile picture of the author JRemington
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              Repeat: Start a thread with "WTF GOOGLE!" and someone calls it like it is,
              well, 99.9999999999999999999999999% of these people have themselves
              to blame.

              Obviously, Yukon took it upon himself to call a spade a spade, pun intended.

              Look in the mirror and reflect...

              If you choose to make google your life, then create a page like that, and
              then blame google?!?!?!?! Holy crapola. What are you people thinking?
              Who is teaching this stuff?

              Paul
              What do you do when it happens to you Paul?
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      • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Why do you think google owes you a top ranking?
        Just because...?

        I don't get this, "Google owes me..." mentality.

        They owe you nothing, especially an explanation.

        They don't exist for you. You are trying to exist
        because of them. That's a bad way to look at it.

        Google just had record profits. So, it's quite comical
        when people say stuff like google is hurting everyone...

        Right.

        If you choose to live by google, you can die by google.

        If you can't take that as an option, then stop living
        by google.

        Paul

        You make me laugh here in the forums, alot......in a good way =)
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      • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Why do you think google owes you a top ranking?
        Just because...?

        I don't get this, "Google owes me..." mentality.

        They owe you nothing, especially an explanation.

        They don't exist for you. You are trying to exist
        because of them. That's a bad way to look at it.

        Google just had record profits. So, it's quite comical
        when people say stuff like google is hurting everyone...

        Right.

        If you choose to live by google, you can die by google.

        If you can't take that as an option, then stop living
        by google.

        Paul
        I often find your posts overly negative but I agree with you on this.

        Google make their money by providing quality search results to their end users. If they suspect you're gaming them to achieve a higher ranking than what your page actually deserves then they'll penalize you for it.

        The most likely reason for your penalty (if it is one) is that you stopped building links suddenly and they sussed you out.

        I've had the same thing happen to me. A single page will drop completely off the rankings for about 3 months and then suddenly shoot straight back to where it was before.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    I really hate google. The only reason why I'm pissed about it is because the page with my CPA offers (Free gift cards, get your free gift cards today from Rogue Valley Ads) went from 3rd to 700+ ... that's the only thing that I care about lol
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    • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
      No one ever knows what Google is doing. They don't want you to know. You can thank spammers for that. People that have no intent to put out quality content without trying to cut corners. Owning a website is hard work. No way around it.
      Google owes us nothing. There are ways to succeed without Google. Harder, more work, but it can be done.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    Google hates those kind of sites? Where did you heard that myth?
    That's why most of my pages get indexed within a day on that site? It's currently PR4 with over 1000+ indexed pages, yet google hates me?
    I never said that google owes me anything, but don't you think jumping from top 5 to 683 position is kind of too drastic? I understand going from top 5 to like a 2nd page or something, but not to 683 position ...
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  • Profile picture of the author tomaz
    You are lost positions in Friday (14th October)? Panda update.

    You have duplicate content on your site - Copyscape search results for: http://www.roguevalleyads.com/
    Maybe this is not reason for losing positions, but I'am shure that duplicatet content is not good.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Dude no offense but that site structure is horrible!

    Are you kidding?

    That's one heck of a long page-title/URL, every page I looked at is the same, looks like a messed up sentence rather than a page-title!

    hxxp://www.roguevalleyads.com/ads/we-sell-all-kind-of-unlock-phones-laptops-games-plasma-tv-and-all-electronicstv-musical-instrume

    What in the world are you trying to accomplish with this? It's totally random keywords.

    I count 7 pages worth of keywords in a single page-title/URL, actually that whole page looks like spam. That's not content.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      hxxp://www.roguevalleyads.com/ads/we-sell-all-kind-of-unlock-phones-laptops-games-plasma-tv-and-all-electronicstv-musical-instrume
      Just a heads-up. The recently leaked Google doc discusses this type of URL specifically and makes no bones about it - it is considered spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Panda.

    So that's everyones escape route huh?

    Don't practice basic seo, then blame it on Panda?

    Silly ideas. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author stephencammeron
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Panda.

      So that's everyones escape route huh?

      Don't practice basic seo, then blame it on Panda?

      Silly ideas. :rolleyes:
      Oh well, looks like "sandbox" is out of the game of blame and it is now time for "panda". LOL!
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    Duplicated content? It's basically has 10 same ads as the other classifieds web sites.
    No I did not lose my ranking after Panda update. I lost them most likely yesterday since when I checked my site it was still fine 2 days ago.
    As far as long urls, it creates url from the ad title, so if you put I want to sell this and that your url will be mysite.com/I-want-to-sell-this-and-that
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  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

    Hey guys,
    Not sure if it's google dance or my web site just got penalized or something, but for some reason my web site - Jobs in Medford Oregon, Online Classifieds | Rogue Valley Ads just dropped in rankings dramatically, I'm talking about 700+ position ...
    I didn't create any backlinks for it for the past 2 month, basically I haven't touched it ... It was sitting in the top 5 for 2 main keywords, now I'm in 700+ ...

    WTF?

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  • Profile picture of the author refinancepro
    This whole thread is about spam IMO. Although you may not have seen issues when Panda came out it does not mean that a random Google bot recently scanned your site and found issues. From what I am reading in the thread and seeing on your site yes it looks like spam and I can agree with anyone who has said that as the answer to your issue.

    I do not even need to suggest anything beyond support for the previously posted answers. Try and provide a more quality search result.
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  • Profile picture of the author linkbuildr
    This is exactly the type of site Google doesn't need nor want in its SERPs. Not only that, but your links are spam and they most likely just lost their value.
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  • Profile picture of the author rekerlolz
    My advice is to start looking into other free methods of obtaining targeted traffic, Google traffic is great but if you lose your high ranking and have no back up plan your screwed.

    In the meantime make tweaks to your fallen website and build high PR links to it and see if that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    How is my web site spam, I don't get it? Look at the ads, 99% of them are legit. I do get spam ads 1-2 times a day, but they usually deleted within first 15-20 minutes. 2 keywords that it was ranking for were "rogue valley" and "rogue valley jobs"
    So you saying google marks all the classifieds sites as spam? Who came up with that myth? I said I'm not worried about since I don't receive a lot of traffic from organic search anyways (only 10-15 uniques / day), all my traffic comes from local advertising. Again I also know that google DON'T OWE ME ANYTHING.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      I'm not saying your site is spam but what I am saying is that Google's own documentation identifies sites with tons of hyphens in the URLs as spam. The hyphens are definitely a signal and could be hurting you.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

      How is my web site spam, I don't get it? Look at the ads, 99% of them are legit. I do get spam ads 1-2 times a day, but they usually deleted within first 15-20 minutes. 2 keywords that it was ranking for were "rogue valley" and "rogue valley jobs"
      So you saying google marks all the classifieds sites as spam? Who came up with that myth? I said I'm not worried about since I don't receive a lot of traffic from organic search anyways (only 10-15 uniques / day), all my traffic comes from local advertising. Again I also know that google DON'T OWE ME ANYTHING.




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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I'm just clicking random pages, it's all spammy.

    City: new york
    State: Alaska
    Country: United States
    Listed: October 18, 2011 12:30 pm
    Expires: 356 days, 9 hours

    hxxp://www.roguevalleyads.com/ads/for-sale-brand-new-scooter-bikes
    Maybe you can show us New York, Alaska on Google Maps, maybe it exist (I kinda doubt it)?

    At least make the pages realistic.
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  • Profile picture of the author faankc
    Hey..I think it might be because of new algorithm of Google. Just my thought. Yet Google is a authority, you can't tackle it easily. May be you have not done back linking for quite a while, would be the reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    Lol Paul. ... so much hate. Every single time in read a post that sounds like god giving lessons that are not even related to the topic I take a look at the name and there is Paul, never letting me down. Listen to him guys, he knows the intenedtz.
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  • Profile picture of the author xnice
    Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

    Hey guys,
    Not sure if it's google dance or my web site just got penalized or something, but for some reason my web site - Jobs in Medford Oregon, Online Classifieds | Rogue Valley Ads just dropped in rankings dramatically, I'm talking about 700+ position ...
    I didn't create any backlinks for it for the past 2 month, basically I haven't touched it ... It was sitting in the top 5 for 2 main keywords, now I'm in 700+ ...

    WTF?
    If you did not create backlink how Google will push you up. Try to create backlink to your site, also use Facebook, Twitter to get traffic. And the content at your site, I see it do not have any value, people will leave this after few second. I think this is a reason your website can not go up.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    Looks like it was just Google Dance. It's back in the top 5.
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  • Profile picture of the author eminidaytrader
    Definitely not Google dance. One of my site was ranking top 3 and now it's on page 11 and has not recover for over 5 months...Something changed at Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    Well, as you can see it was a google dance for me, because it was in 700+ position 2 days ago, now it's back in top 5.
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    • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
      Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

      Well, as you can see it was a google dance for me, because it was in 700+ position 2 days ago, now it's back in top 5.
      From here you're #1 for Rogue Valley Jobs. Not sure how much traffic that'll get you, but #1 is always nice.

      This thread has been entertaining.
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  • Profile picture of the author ninjutsu
    It is also happening to my website. The traffic All of my website down
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