Private High PR Blog Networks...

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I've noticed a lot of talk about High PR Blog Networks. I understand their value and how they can give you good quality backlinks that are in-content which is great.

When I did a search in WF, I ran across a few and they look pretty good. Has anyone had any success with a particular service here on WF that they'd recommend?

With so many choices and the secretive nature of these networks it's hard to tell the real quality networks from the scam/wannabees.

Any thought?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by EricBaglio View Post


    With so many choices and the secretive nature of these networks it's hard to tell the real quality networks from the scam/wannabees.

    Any thought?
    How do you find them secretive? BMR is very popular and some services give reports. you have to realize they take a little money to build and Google tends not to like bought links so service providers can't come out and tell someone who isn't even a customer yet where their PR network domains are. It goes with the territory nothing devious. As with most things think Rep.
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    • Profile picture of the author EricBaglio
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      How do you find them secretive? BMR is very popular and some services give reports. you have to realize they take a little money to build and Google tends not to like bought links so service providers can't come out and tell someone who isn't even a customer yet where their PR network domains are. It goes with the territory nothing devious. As with most things think Rep.
      I think you misunderstood what I meant. I've heard BMR is a great service and I know a lot of people in the forum use it to great success.

      By secretive I meant that most networks don't give reports and don't share sites. I understand that they do this to protect the integrity of their network and keep their sites from being blacklisted by Google. This is why I was wondering which Warrior Forum services offering a network, people have experienced success with.

      I didn't mean it in a negative connotation.
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  • Profile picture of the author TwinDragon
    I am thinking of using a network and would like to see what opinions you get.
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  • Profile picture of the author EricBaglio
    BuildMyRanks is one that I know of for sure. I think Linkvana is the same principle. Both of those i've heard to be pretty effective. I'm more concerned with the ones that are from Warrior here on the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I vote for Article Marketing Automation, they helped me ranked for many competitive keywords that most high PR sites can't rank.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      I vote for Article Marketing Automation, they helped me ranked for many competitive keywords that most high PR sites can't rank.

      That is ridiculous. If a bunch of crappy links can do it, then high PR sites can too.
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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        That is ridiculous. If a bunch of crappy links can do it, then high PR sites can too.
        Not necessary. For example if your high PR network had 100 PR 4 to PR 6 sites, you really think your network can compete with over 10K PR1 to P4 sites?

        I can out rank your network anytime! This is a number game, if your network don't have at least 2,000 sites, I'm afraid you can't beat me in high competition keyword, want to take on the challenge? I'm waiting.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

          Not necessary. For example if your high PR network had 100 PR 4 to PR 6 sites, you really think your network can compete with over 10K PR1 to P4 sites?

          I can out rank your network anytime! This is a number game, if your network don't have at least 2,000 sites, I'm afraid you can't beat me in high competition keyword, want to take on the challenge? I'm waiting.
          I would take 100 PR 4-6 domains dedicated to just my site with very few outgoing backlinks versus a network of 10k PR 1-4 sites being used by thousands of people and posted to constantly any time.

          I know you sell low quality links, so this discussion is going to go nowhere fast because you have a personal bias in the whole quality versus quantity argument.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            I know you sell low quality links, so this discussion is going to go nowhere fast because you have a personal bias in the whole quality versus quantity argument.
            Desperation has set in. People are not buying the mass forum profile backlinks spam because of Panda. Kinda late to the game and trying to find something else to pitch but doesn't understand basic concepts like OBL and links that stick to high PR pages.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

          Not necessary. For example if your high PR network had 100 PR 4 to PR 6 sites, you really think your network can compete with over 10K PR1 to P4 sites?
          You've been posting this all over the forums and even had one thread deleted. You offer no evidence and when asked to post a SINGLE EXAMPLE in Google serps of a low PR network beating a high PR network you make some excuse and run away.

          I can out rank your network anytime! This is a number game, if your network don't have at least 2,000 sites, I'm afraid you can't beat me in high competition keyword, want to take on the challenge? I'm waiting.
          ROFL No one can find your network in any serp. You have been selling mostly forum profile links and since people have woke up to how miserable those are especially post panda you are scrambling around trying to find and sell some other mass push button system.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenwa87
    If you decide to use one or the other I would appreciate it if you reported back and let us know. I have debated on the same for a while but have not tried. I just don't trust most of it! good luck and let us know!
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I would take 100 PR 4-6 domains dedicated to just my site with very few outgoing backlinks versus a network of 10k PR 1-4 sites being used by thousands of people and posted to constantly any time.

      I know you sell low quality links, so this discussion is going to go nowhere fast because you have a personal bias in the whole quality versus quantity argument.
      You and Anthony are really my favorite.

      Both of you accusing me of selling low quality links, where is the proof? When I post on a thread in the forum or post any useful information, you just start shooting without really know what I'm talking about, that's just personal and not very professional.

      Look at my signature, I only sell 2 things now - Indexing & crawling and Guarantee service. Do you know what is guarantee service? Meaning if my customer don't rank on page 1, I don't get the money!

      My challenge still stand - if you think your so call quality network is so good, until it can outrank every network on the market, your ego ... I don't know how to put this.

      However, if you do agree that every high PR network had it limit, and those established blog network are much powerful because they have more sites, more resources, then I make my point. If you disagree, don't just talk, show me your power, outrank me in the competition.

      If you are not going to proof me your network is more powerful, please keep that network to yourself and stop accusing me selling low quality backlinks and calling me "ridiculous".

      P.S. Mike Anthony will probably go out and find my old service and call it proof.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

        You and Anthony are really my favorite.

        Both of you accusing me of selling low quality links, where is the proof?
        None of us are going to give you a link from WF to your link offerings KK if thats what you are hoping for. NO Proof? You're kidding right? LOL. Whats this first result on Google people.

        https://www.google.com/search?source...0l0ll0l0&gl=US

        click the first result and who do you see? Scroll down and what do you find? Profile link service like you have been selling for years.

        You still up and still taking orders forum profile link service and claiming you are not? nice monthly price for the weakest links available too. Could build a nice network for that over a few months. Maybe you should take that down before claiming there is no proof. :rolleyes: A little honesty perhaps?

        My challenge still stand - if you think your so call quality network is so good, until it can outrank every network on the market, your ego
        Neither Mike or I have made that claim. in fact its you that have made the claim that you can outrank us. MY challenge to you still stands. Rank top three in your own niche - for the term backlinks. I'll PAY you to rank your own site.

        If you disagree, don't just talk, show me your power, outrank me in the competition.
        Problem - Can't find you to outrank you

        If you are not going to proof me your network is more powerful, please keep that network to yourself and stop accusing me selling low quality backlinks and calling me "ridiculous".
        Umm where have you presented any proof? Thats the whole point. You want us to expose our networks but we can't find any network like the one you claim for yourself ranking anywhere where we are operating or in any competitive serp.

        Sorry but you just don't understand PR or SEO networks. Yes many of the services out there may have ton loads of high PR domains but they are also being used by a TON load of people putting a TON load of links on them. Do some reading KK. PR juice IS DIVIDED BY THE AMOUNT OF LINKS. Further every service you are touting where you can put ton loads of links allows your links to be pushed of the home page and eventually off any page with PR in no time.

        Thats why many people use both. Their own networks for rel strong PR and low OBL and services like BMR for a little extra umphh. Me? I use just my network. mix some AMR, press release sites and a few other links in with your own network you rank very well.
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        • Profile picture of the author DynoMutt
          EricBaglio,

          Any true high PR network worth its salt is going to come at a price where you might as well run your own private network.
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          • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
            Originally Posted by DynoMutt View Post

            EricBaglio,

            Any true high PR network worth its salt is going to come at a price where you might as well run your own private network.
            That might be true...but what is going to be the cost and time factor of building my own high PR network of even 100 blogs?

            Just the domain names are $1000/year. Hosting would need to be scattered on different services, which means potentially that much in hosting fees per year. Then there is the cost of adding content, building the sites, backlinking to build PR, etc...

            I'm not trying to say you are wrong, I'm trying to understand the legitimate real world cost of building that high PR network.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

              That might be true...but what is going to be the cost and time factor of building my own high PR network of even 100 blogs?

              Just the domain names are $1000/year. Hosting would need to be scattered on different services, which means potentially that much in hosting fees per year. Then there is the cost of adding content, building the sites, backlinking to build PR, etc...
              Well thats the thing. Whenever people start to talk about building a network they start to add up the costs. However they seldom ever talk about the costs and add them up for using the various services. Take some people in this thread. They swear by linkvana and AMA together and guess what - for most people thats $200+ a month. So you are talking over $2,400 a year. You can bet through the year they spend other chunks on extra boosts and software because none of the networks do it by themselves.

              I pay $5 per domain a year so far cry from $1000. My hosting can work out to as little as $100$-200 per month. So at that point you might think it works out the same BUT IT DOESN'T

              With say a hundred domains in my networks I can EASILY find 4-5 people that will rent space on my network st even a low $49 per month each (Truth is my minimum most of the time is $300 per month for SEO customers who I do nothing else for. I turn people away often wanting $100-$200 a month). Thats pays for all my hosting and it pays for all the domains (in fact makes me an EASY profit at the price I listed above).

              The network turns out to operate FOR FREE when it starts paying me back. No network service out there can pay you back on your expense. NONE. I've quoted drop dead low profit margins. Truth is its nothing to be making $300-$3000 per month beyond ranking your sites because you are an owner not a renter.

              P.S. its nothing to build and maintain Pr when you build a nice size network. it either pays you enough to keep buying more or you do three way link exchanges with other people with PR sites.
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            • Profile picture of the author DynoMutt
              Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

              That might be true...but what is going to be the cost and time factor of building my own high PR network of even 100 blogs?

              Just the domain names are $1000/year. Hosting would need to be scattered on different services, which means potentially that much in hosting fees per year. Then there is the cost of adding content, building the sites, backlinking to build PR, etc...

              I'm not trying to say you are wrong, I'm trying to understand the legitimate real world cost of building that high PR network.
              If you are just starting out--start out small with a keyword whose #1 competition can be knocked out easily with contextualized anchor text backlinks. It does not cost that much to host a handful of seo hosting sites per month. The purchase PR 3 and 4s do not cost much to attain when you compare the monthly cost of renting space on someone else's network. They are certainly worth the upfront cost. Use that small network you develop to send backlinks to a money site whose monetization will cover your monthly expenses and then some.

              Just continue to scale up.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

        Look at my signature, I only sell 2 things now - Indexing & crawling and Guarantee service. Do you know what is guarantee service? Meaning if my customer don't rank on page 1, I don't get the money!
        I apologize. I spoke incorrectly. You used to sell crappy backlinks. I didn't realize you stopped.

        However, indexing and crawling services are only necessary for low quality backlinks. If you are building backlinks off of high PR pages, there is not need to worry about taking extra effort for indexing. So, I stand by my original statement that you are completely biased in any discussion about quantity versus quality backlinks, and therefore, I'm not getting into this argument with you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          However, indexing and crawling services are only necessary for low quality backlinks. If you are building backlinks off of high PR pages, there is not need to worry about taking extra effort for indexing. So, I stand by my original statement that you are completely biased in any discussion about quantity versus quality backlinks, and therefore, I'm not getting into this argument with you.
          Aren't we all biased?

          As for the viability of creating a network of aged domains, it takes a lot of work to find the domains and then to verify the links. Then to find a good host to host the sites on separate IPs. It does take some time so don't let anybody tell you it's a cakewalk. So if you only have a handful of money sites I don't think building a high PR network is worth it. You can buy posts on other blogs.

          If only somebody offered a course on the subject....:rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

            If only somebody offered a course on the subject....:rolleyes:
            Somebody calling my name?

            I give you props - Now THAT'S how a pot calls a kettle black.

            So if you only have a handful of money sites I don't think building a high PR network is worth it. You can buy posts on other blogs.
            Ahem...... From whom? LOL :rolleyes:

            Actually still worth it if you want to get some quality Post Panda links. One way to get good quality links is to get them from legit webmasters running sites in (or perhaps out) of your niche. Professional SEOs work this all the time.Black hatters and blasters don't even like to think of this - no buttons to push . oh no...must...find...button ....to push

            Of course the age old question is why would a webmaster of a site want to give you a link? Well one very good reason is to get one in return. However they are not going to bite on your PR N/A .info blog pages but they will if you own a few Domains with High PR and that way they can do a three way exchange rather than a reciprocal link. Small network works like a charm and you can get great traffic and links.

            Lets see - one PR domain for $75, work some exchanges and you will get 30 or more high quality links with PR from real sites that WILL NOT ring all kinds of link spam bells at Google. hmmm.

            Who knew? Real link building with only a few domains. Hit up some AMR, a little press release sites, hey even push a button on MS to some blogs if you long for the old days

            Why oh why ever again pay for first page placement for one or two keywords?
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            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Somebody calling my name?

              I give you props - Now THAT'S how a pot calls a kettle black.

              Ahem...... From whom? LOL :rolleyes:
              I don't sell high PR blog posts. Can't be from me. Your sig exactly pimps what you keep talking about so the comparisons are garbage.
              Actually still worth it if you want to get some quality Post Panda links.
              Nice opinion.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                I don't sell high PR blog posts. Can't be from me. Your sig exactly pimps what you keep talking about so the comparisons are garbage.
                a post, an article, spun content AMR blast galore...A rose by any other name.....:rolleyes:. Don't talk about pimpin now. You got two guys that drop their sigs in threads constantly one that does it almost all the time and one that does almost nothing but talk up your services IN posts .like I said props on the pot calling kettle thing

                Nice opinion.
                Getting High PR links from real webmasters sites is not good links? This SEO thing really has you tied up in knots.

                And yet, you've not shown any keyword that you consider competitive. I've given keywords in the past I consider "average IMer" keywords but you haven't listed a single one.
                Of course I have. Don't start the lying up again so soon. I've even defined what competition to you on a chalkboard practically but you don't get it. Its terms people are actually COMPETING for with strong anchored text links,

                Here I have given this to both you and KK ande KK even said he could do it before running away

                https://www.google.com/search?q=back...-a&hl=en&gl=US

                Go oh masters of quantity over quality, Go get a top three in that serp. KK knows it well. Its the very term that made backlinking popular 2-3 years back especially Angela edwards style.

                So much for me never giving you an example of a single one.
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                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  a post, an article, spun content AMR blast galore...A rose by any other name.....:rolleyes:. Don't talk about pimpin now. You got two guys that drop their sigs in threads constantly one that does it almost all the time and one that does almost nothing but talk up your services IN posts .like I said props on the pot calling kettle thing
                  I am not pimping my services here Mike. Period. I don't sell high PR blog anything. This is what the thread is about. Are you this dense?
                  Getting High PR links from real webmasters sites is not good links? This SEO thing really has you tied up in knots.
                  Re-read what I quoted from you. I wasn't talking about this.
                  Of course I have. Don't start the lying up again so soon. I've even defined what competition to you on a chalkboard practically but you don't get it. Its terms people are actually COMPETING for with strong anchored text links,
                  So competitive keywords are ones that have competition? HAHAHA
                  Here I have given this to both you and KK ande KK even said he could do it before running away

                  https://www.google.com/search?q=back...-a&hl=en&gl=US
                  Your little network wouldn't be able to rank for that keyword either. Whats your point?

                  That's a keyword that has good amounts of searches but would give you a very low conversion rate. Long tail variations of it would give you better results. This is not a practical keyword and criticizing people for not being able to rank number one for it is stupid. You couldn't do it either. There are alot of backlinks for that wiki page, sometimes seo spyglass can be so slow.
                  Go oh masters of quantity over quality, Go get a top three in that serp. KK knows it well. Its the very term that made backlinking popular 2-3 years back especially Angela edwards style.
                  Can you?

                  Edit: on second thought there are WAY too many links for me to spend the time and burning through proxies to evaluate the number one site. Lots of quantity, not sure on the quality.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                    I am not pimping my services here Mike. Period. I don't sell high PR blog anything. This is what the thread is about. Are you this dense?
                    ROFL. Now whose dense? I was responding to you saying people can buy posts on blogs. Thats exactly what you do. Who said anything about High Pr. Why would I ever accuse you of all people of utilizing high quality anything? Point is you are in this thread pimping your position and opposing everyone else because of the endorsement you got from KK to you no PR approach. plain and simp.

                    Your little network wouldn't be able to rank for that keyword either. Whats your point?
                    ummm....lost attention span? To show the principle. and umm yes I can rank for that for the simple reason THAT HIGH PR LINKS ARE EXACTLY WHAT ARE WORKING IN THAT SERP. Will I? Maybe but I wouldn't tell anyone here now would I? for the simple reason that I have money invested in my network and KK's whole point is that he can rank without needing to invest in his own network and not have to worry about losing low PR domains. SO I say go for it then. If not then why not since he can beat out everyone with high PR links like he says?

                    That's a keyword that has good amounts of searches but would give you a very low conversion rate.
                    Rubbish. You are new to SEO. That was Angela's Edwards serp two years back and it converted like crazy. Who cares about Wiki. Check 3 and 4. You've exposed your lack of any grounding in SEO yet again. You have no idea of the part that serp played in shaping backlinking and right here on WF. Not practical to rank for that? Excuse me for a moment

                    (Mike goes and rofl)

                    Why do you think some of those sites are throwing HIGH PR links at that? Edwards became world famous on ranking in that serp and made a ton load of cash. Terry went ranking for that back in the day. So did Steve and all kinds of backlink sellers......until they couldn't any more because the game changed and now it takes high PR links -

                    got the whole point yet?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      ROFL. Now whose dense? I was responding to you saying people can buy posts on blogs. Thats exactly what you do. Who said anything about High Pr. Why would I ever accuse you of all people of utilizing high quality anything? Point is you are in this thread pimping your position and opposing everyone else because of the endorsement you got from KK to you no PR approach. plain and simp.
                      My service has nothing to do with what I was saying. I've removed my signature, will you do the same? I'm glad kkchoon gave us rep but that has nothing to do with my suggestions here. I was giving ADVICE. My ADVICE isn't trying to pimp my service. Your Sig is directly selling what you are always advocating in your posts.
                      ummm....lost attention span? To show the principle. and umm yes I can rank for that for the simple reason THAT HIGH PR LINKS ARE EXACTLY WHAT ARE WORKING IN THAT SERP.
                      Well lets see it then. You've asked me to rank in the top 3 now why isn't it fair for me to ask you to do the same?
                      Will I?
                      Waiting with abated breath...
                      Maybe but I wouldn't tell anyone here now would I?
                      Crap, empty bluster.
                      for the simple reason that I have money invested in my network and KK's whole point is that he can rank without needing to invest in his own network and not have to worry about losing low PR domains. SO I say go for it then. If not then why not since he can beat out everyone with high PR links like he says?
                      You asked me to rank it too. What you ask of kkchoon is between you and him.

                      Rubbish. You are new to SEO. That was Angela's Edwards serp two years back and it converted like crazy.
                      Maybe you need a little help. The ROI isn't as good as going for the longer tail specific keywords. Those always convert better. Why? Well because they are more specific. Somebody could search for backlinks just to find out what they are. Those visitors aren't buying.
                      Who cares about Wiki.
                      Well, they are number 1.
                      Check 3 and 4. You've exposed your lack of any grounding in SEO yet again.
                      You've only thought I have. Remember when I said you accept out of hand any evidence no matter how weak that incriminates your "opponents" while you are the largest skeptic in the world when it comes to evidence favorable to them. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. This keyword wouldn't be worth the effort it would take to get to top 3, simply because there are higher converting less competitive keywords to be had.

                      I didn't say it wouldn't be nice to be ranked number 1-3 but you have to weigh the costs vs the return.
                      You have no idea of the part that serp played in shaping backlinking and right here on WF. Not practical to rank for that? Excuse me for a moment
                      Yes in a zero sum game but the point you missed is that there are more profitable (roi wise) keyword based on backlinks that would convert better and would be easier to rank.

                      For the record, I would love to be ranked number 1 for backlinks before you misunderstand me again.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                        My service has nothing to do with what I was saying. I've removed my signature, will you do the same? I'm glad kkchoon gave us rep but that has nothing to do with my suggestions here. I was giving ADVICE. My ADVICE isn't trying to pimp my service. Your Sig is directly selling what you are always advocating in your posts.
                        Marc anyone who knows our history who thinks about it will realize how totally and absolutely dishonest you are being. We first debated this issue in two separate threads about Networks. Did I teach on the subject then ? No. Are my positions different now? No. As a matter of fact it was at the end of the second of those threads where people began to ask for a training guide that I put together my video series.

                        For you of all people who participated in those debates to try and insinuate that my positions are held to sell something is just a clear indicator of deep character issues on your part. You know full well I held them without anything to sell because our first back and forths with nothing to the effect in my sig were just as diametrically opposed and I hold the EXACT same positions regardless.

                        Sorry but if I am pimping then so are you. Your only points in this thread have been to back up a philosophy your service is based on and by a poster that has been promoting you. Down to even ridiculously claiming that a service actively being sold isn't in fact being sold. :rolleyes:


                        This keyword wouldn't be worth the effort it would take to get to top 3, simply because there are higher converting less competitive keywords to be had.
                        Stick your head in the sand all you want. Your argument is hollow because history proves it false. Might as well argue stars don't exist. It not only is a would or a could it is a FACT that it converted mega for those who ranked on it before and BETTER than longer tail PRECISELY because ranking in THAT serp gave added credibility.

                        Yes in a zero sum game but the point you missed is that there are more profitable (roi wise) keyword based on backlinks that would convert better and would be easier to rank.
                        Lets get down to something productive -

                        The point you ENTIRELY miss is that the algo is not exclusive to that serp. The whole point is to look at serps like that and see CLEARLY which kind of links are preferred by the algo REGARDLESS of the individual serp.

                        Why do these arguments always break out. Because one side makes the preposterous nonsense point that quantity beats out quality. the side that makes the claim NEVER shows a single serp for us to look at to see if that is the case. This partricular serp is chosen for a reason Marc.

                        There are people in that serp that WERE TRYING TO RANK ON GARBAGE links and they could not. Xrummer guys trying with the very kind of profile links KK claims are greatr. They have been banished to siberia it seems (can't find them don't know if penalized). Meanshile the number four slot has been sitting there undisturbed over the months of others trying to hit him off.

                        This is how SEO is learned Marc and What I always call for and you and others run away, The results of the algo ARE IN GOOGLE SERPs sitting right there.

                        No I can rank for this
                        No show me how far you can pee and I'll show you how far I can
                        No testimonials needed
                        No my service is better than yours

                        Its there sitting in the search results what works so go ahead show us in the serps where thousands of low quality PR links are killing a nice package of high quality links when going for the same anchor text.

                        I just showed a serp where it is definitely not. You and KK can make the thread better by finally stepping to the plate and showing in the serps your premise. Your up.
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                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Marc anyone who knows our history who thinks about it will realize how totally and absolutely dishonest you are being. We first debated this issue in two separate threads about Networks. Did I teach on the subject then ? No. Are my positions different now? No. As a matter of fact it was at the end of the second of those threads where people began to ask for a training guide that I put together my video series.

                          For you of all people who participated in those debates to try and insinuate that my positions are held to sell something is just a clear indicator of deep character issues on your part. You know full well I held them without anything to sell because our first back and forths with nothing to the effect in my sig were just as diametrically opposed and I hold the EXACT same positions regardless.
                          Goodness, if it's true for you then why can't it be true for me? Do you think I could be using my methods simply because it gives me the results I need? How does the fact that you created the video series after a discussion give you the moral high ground now? If I am pimping my services then you are pimping your e-course. You can't have it both ways.
                          Sorry but if I am pimping then so are you. Your only points in this thread have been to back up a philosophy your service is based on and by a poster that has been promoting you.
                          Except I am telling you here that I wasn't. Why do you think I am lying? Do you have any evidence I am.
                          Stick your head in the sand all you want. Your argument is hollow because history proves it false. Might as well argue stars don't exist. It not only is a would or a could it is a FACT that it converted mega for those who ranked on it before and BETTER than longer tail PRECISELY because ranking in THAT serp gave added credibility.
                          This would be another aspect I wasn't factoring. You are correct. This would be very helpful for this particular keyword. But this is unique to this particular industry.
                          The point you ENTIRELY miss is that the algo is not exclusive to that serp. The whole point is to look at serps like that and see CLEARLY which kind of links are preferred by the algo REGARDLESS of the individual serp.
                          I guess I thought we were past this. I have said for these really competitive keywords you will need to get some authoritative links. I'm not going to reply to the rest.

                          My point is that there is no need to create a PR network to rank for keywords that the "average IMer" would be going after. You can rank for these with the low/no PR links in quantity. Obviously "backlinks" is a special case and the "average IMer" would not be trying to rank for it.

                          This being the case you can go to the trouble of buying aged domains if you want but in my mind it isn't exactly worth it if you can rank your keywords without it.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post


                            My point is that there is no need to create a PR network to rank for keywords that the "average IMer" would be going after. You can rank for these with the low/no PR links in quantity. Obviously "backlinks" is a special case and the "average IMer" would not be trying to rank for it.
                            There comes a point at which I guess I have to accept that no matter how many ways I explain it to you you won't get it. has nothing to to do with any special case. There is no special case algo in that serp. Google doesn't have different algos for different serps so what you learn about the algo in one serp where there is decent competition will apply to all. You and KK and a few others continue to make claims without showing a single serp. I think that says it all to someone on the fence.

                            As for you can rank without this and without that. You know the drill. you claim first page is ranking and I don't. Top three get the traffic. 5-10 much of the time is dog food. Across a WIDE variety of serps even in long tail you will find serps where you need more than a bunch of N/As to rank because like I have tried to tell you numerous times competition is based on whose doing what on the front page.

                            So if you pick even a long tail and the number one guy in that serp has some high PR links or if he decides to get some you will need to counteract. If you are getting the same kind of easy links everyone else is getting you are one person going after your niche away from losing income.

                            not to you but the stupidest thing in this thread is people talking about forum profile links. Even for your four five word long tail - if you even rank from blasting it only takes one more blast to to unseat you or you stop blasting one week to lose income. People approach their business like kids a lot in IM and they get the results they deserve alot of the time.
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                            • Profile picture of the author swords
                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              There comes a point at which I guess I have to accept that no matter how many ways I explain it to you you won't get it. has nothing to to do with any special case. There is no special case algo in that serp. Google doesn't have different algos for different serps so what you learn about the algo in one serp where there is decent competition will apply to all. You and KK and a few others continue to make claims without showing a single serp. I think that says it all to someone on the fence.

                              As for you can rank without this and without that. You know the drill. you claim first page is ranking and I don't. Top three get the traffic. 5-10 much of the time is dog food. Across a WIDE variety of serps even in long tail you will find serps where you need more than a bunch of N/As to rank because like I have tried to tell you numerous times competition is based on whose doing what on the front page.

                              So if you pick even a long tail and the number one guy in that serp has some high PR links or if he decides to get some you will need to counteract. If you are getting the same kind of easy links everyone else is getting you are one person going after your niche away from losing income.

                              not to you but the stupidest thing in this thread is people talking about forum profile links. Even for your four five word long tail - if you even rank from blasting it only takes one more blast to to unseat you or you stop blasting one week to lose income. People approach their business like kids a lot in IM and they get the results they deserve alot of the time.
                              Ok, you get your rankings how you get yours, and I'll get my deserved rankings how I get mine.

                              I love how you always dare Marc/Matt to prove rankings to you, but I have YET to see any proof from you at all. At least Marc/Matt have testimonies to back them up... what do you have? A mouthful of words and too much time on your hands to type 5000 characters in every blog network thread that pops up to advertise your signature?
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by swords View Post

                                Ok, you get your rankings how you get yours, and I'll get my deserved rankings how I get mine.

                                I love how you always dare Marc/Matt to prove rankings to you, but I have YET to see any proof from you at all.
                                A forum spam profile seller will always drop into these debates all offended. Like the sun coming up i nthe morning - its inevitable. Fact is no one wants to show their ranking, with their serps and URl and fact is that testimonies mean nothing as everyone thats been around on WF has seen total garbage get ton loads of great testimonials - so I have done what none of you have done. I pointed at a serp that showed my point as proof of how the algo works. SO try again. I am the ONLY one who has shown any proof in any serp. I proved it conclusively in a serp but then based on an earlier post perhaps you don't know how to use a backlink checker - try spyglass

                                Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

                                I have better thing to do then trying to sell something that don't sell itself. If anyone did order, I will direct them to my guarantee ranking service or send the refund.
                                LOL - your guaranteed ranking services pushes profile links just as well and you still with a straight face say you are not selling them.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Fact is no one wants to show their ranking, with their serps and URl and fact is that testimonies mean nothing as everyone thats been around on WF has seen total garbage get ton loads of great testimonials - so I have done what none of you have done. I pointed at a serp that showed my point as proof of how the algo works. SO try again. I am the ONLY one who has shown any proof in any serp. I proved it conclusively in a serp but then based on an earlier post perhaps you don't know how to use a backlink checker - try spyglass
                                  "backlinks" isn't an example of what anybody new considering a blog network would even consider going after. Plus you can get PR links through buying them without building a PR network. Your network wouldn't be capable of ranking for that keyword and none of your "students" networks would either. I'm not going to go through each of those sites ranking to prove your point. Which I'm not really disagreeing with, especially in this thread.

                                  So I don't know what you want me to show you.

                                  What I have been arguing is that you need to have quite a few sites to make a PR network worth the trouble in building.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                    "backlinks" isn't an example of what anybody new considering a blog network would even consider going after. Plus you can get PR links through buying them without building a PR network.
                                    Who cares? Wow you are obtuse. My point is about Quality over quantity not building a network. It shows how the algo works and there is nothing special about the algo to that serp. The serp proves that Google's algo does NOT take quantity over quality. Thats the core of what the debate has been on

                                    Your network wouldn't be capable of ranking for that keyword and none of your "students" networks would either.
                                    LOL. So now you know the size not only of my network without seeing it but of any of the many people who I have taught based on what? Clairvoyance? Thats just childish silliness. Anyone reading this with any sense knows your are talking hot air because you can't possibly know what even one of them has in their portfolio. You'd be surprised at how deep the pockets are of some of them

                                    What I have been arguing is that you need to have quite a few sites to make a PR network worth the trouble in building.
                                    look I'll call a spade a spade. You are a blaster. Don't need clairvoyance like you, just have to see what you have offered. You use AMR for all kinds of blasting to your own network and directories. You have no concept whatsoever how professional SEOs build links and have no clue what you are talking about. There is not a serp that ANYONE goes after that would not do TREMENDOUSLY well from having some PR links. Your problem is that due to your inexperience you assume that a network comes in one size - big.

                                    Lets see one last time if the light can seep in. Like I said - forget building large networks. ONE PR3 picked up sometimes for $40 (brand new student last night picked up a PR4 for $69) can yield 20-30 PR 3 backlinks. Even a few PR3 links move people EASILY up to number one in long tails.

                                    Shucks some guys get those so they can join networks that require PR and then automatically get Pr links back - easy stuff and thats just ONE DOMAIN.

                                    So lets say someone decided to pay $75 for a "first page ranking service" for one keyword. Lets do the cost analysis.

                                    $75 for one keyword versus say even the same for a PR3 or 4 which they then OWN for as many keywords as they see fit, can get 20-30 additional PR links back to their money site using a few easy techniques , even build other pages up to PR and can flip for a nice profit whenever they wish and get all their money back and more.

                                    Multiply by three or four domains instead of going back and buying single first page placements two three more times and can you figure out the effect. Not worth it? You just don't know SEO is all.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author swords
                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                      LOL. So now you know the size not only of my network without seeing it but of any of the many people who I have taught based on what? Clairvoyance? Thats just childish silliness. Anyone reading this with any sense knows your are talking hot air because you can't possibly know what even one of them has in their portfolio. You'd be surprised at how deep the pockets are of some of them
                                      Hmm... that's a bit hypocritical I'd say. Childish silliness is blatantly demonstrated here by the theory of "it takes one to know one".

                                      Kind of like you KNOW that I'm not ranking with forum profiles alone? Kind of like you KNOW forum profiles are useless [because they don't work for you]?

                                      Sir, you crack me up :p. Just like Marc said, you are at the deepest level of tunnel vision when it comes to SEO. I'M NOT SAYING YOUR HIGH PRS AREN'T SUPER POWERFUL. I only rightfully argued that low quality (and even forum profiles) backlinks do, whether you want to believe it or not, work for ranking. Link diversity is the greatest aspect of all backlink campaigns, not one is better than the other.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                        Originally Posted by swords View Post

                                        Hmm... that's a bit hypocritical I'd say. Childish silliness is blatantly demonstrated here by the theory of "it takes one to know one".

                                        Kind of like you KNOW that I'm not ranking with forum profiles alone? Kind of like you KNOW forum profiles are useless [because they don't work for you]?
                                        Sorry son I know you are upset but I am not presenting proof of how big my network is by claiming it is big. The huge difference is you are trying to present your claim that you rank as proof of your point. I think most logical people can see the difference. Claims are a dime a dozen on this forum. Marc has no way of knowing if my students have enough high PR links to rank but me pointing to the serp "backlinks" does present INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE PROOF that high PR links do in fact rank over low quality in that serp. You are stuck without proof besides your own claim . I am not and hence your hypocrisy claim is an epic fail

                                        Link diversity is the greatest aspect of all backlink campaigns, not one is better than the other.
                                        another absolute myth spouted by forum link sellers. The outrageously silly idea that Google counts forum profile links toward some kind of diversity algo when in fact they are very clear that they see those links as spammy

                                        To believe such nonsense you would have to have a Googles software engineer actually identify forum profile links then writing lines of could to give a boost based on seeing those kinds of links. In other words Google would have to specifically write code to help what they consider link spammers.

                                        For the new year people need to try thinking what the odds are on that and other nonsense myths forum sellers try to push
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                                        • Profile picture of the author swords
                                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                          Sorry son I know you are upset but I am not presenting proof of how big my network is by claiming it is big. The huge difference is you are trying to present your claim that you rank as proof of your point. I think most logical people can see the difference. Claims are a dime a dozen on this forum. Marc has no way of knowing if my students have enough high PR links to rank but me pointing to the serp "backlinks" does present INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE PROOF that high PR links do in fact rank over low quality in that serp. You are stuck without proof besides your own claim . I am not and hence your hypocrisy claim is an epic fail

                                          another absolute myth spouted by forum link sellers. The outrageously silly idea that Google counts forum profile links toward some kind of diversity algo when in fact they are very clear that they see those links as spammy

                                          To believe such nonsense you would have to have a Googles software engineer actually identify forum profile links then writing lines of could to give a boost based on seeing those kinds of links. In other words Google would have to specifically write code to help what they consider link spammers.

                                          For the new year people need to try thinking what the odds are on that and other nonsense myths forum sellers try to push
                                          If there is no such thing as link diversity, then why would you do these if your high PR blogs are all you need:

                                          mix some AMR, press release sites and a few other links in with your own network you rank very well.
                                          Sure, press releases might bring some traffic, but how about an AMR blast or "other types"? One answer only - to not have backlinks pointing from ONLY high PR blogs.

                                          There is no algorithm for link diversity, it's like many things in SEO which being common sense. A link from a social bookmark is different in Google's eyes than a link from ezinearticles.com. The former tells Google "Hey, someone liked this site so much they decided to share it with everyone and bookmark it!", and the other is an article from the professional from that site that is being backlinked to.

                                          Sometimes, your half-page rants come to bite you in the butt... more times than you are aware. You say one thing on one post, and say something entirely opposite on another.

                                          As for rankings... Like I said I like the easy, no-risk, route of ranking and go for long-tail keywords for my Amazon sites. If I were to share my rankings with you, two things would happen:

                                          1. You being as egotistical as you are would go rank with your high PR blogs to prove a point, and mainly to **** me over, and tell the whole world how this is PROOF that your high PR blogs are so good.

                                          2. Others would see the easy competition I have found for the buyer keywords and rank for them OVER me - why? Because I do very little backlinking at all because my on-page is enough for my keywords. The forum profiles do the trick and require about 2 minutes of work to rank me on page one in a few weeks.


                                          I congratulate you for ranking for a tough keyword... something that I could never do with my link building techniques (yes I said it - bask in it!). That's not my area of expertise though, and I make enough money that my area of expertise suits my needs. As I said before - you do your way of making money, and I'll do mine. If I can rank for long tail keywords with forum profiles then by golly I'm going to because of its fast setup (I type in my URL/keyword into my custom script and it drip feeds links each and everyday for the rest of my life for $0).
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                            Originally Posted by swords View Post

                                            If there is no such thing as link diversity, then why would you do these if your high PR blogs are all you need:
                                            You will always think things make no sense in the similar way when anyone is unlearned in something it at first makes no sense to them. Being young and foolish you assume your misunderstanding is my contradiction

                                            I suggested those things that you think are contradictory not for different kinds of links but for IP DIVERSITY. Has nothing to do with Google seeing bookmark links and the article directory links and forum links and giving you credit for having different kinds of links like you imagine,

                                            Sorry its totally asinine. Google does take different IP Addresses as separate votes but in order for your theory (and the one espoused by other forum profile sellers to make sales post panda) to work Google would have to give credit especially to a form of link that they consider spam. Rather by the changes in serps like backlinks show they have limited their impact and devalued them. The thousands of sites that rank at the top of Google without any forum profile links, articledirectorty links or social bookmarks is further evidence against that total nonsense.

                                            2. Others would see the easy competition I have found for the buyer keywords and rank for them OVER me - why? Because I do very little backlinking at all because my on-page is enough for my keywords.
                                            As suspected and thank you for confirming. You claim to be ranking in some weak old serps where you have zero competition and don't even need links by your own admission. I've never said if you have no competition you cannot rank so you just destroyed your whole rant and exposed your "rankings" for the weak old amazon sites that they are.

                                            Most Imers are going for things a bit more lucrative and do considerable more links against better competition plus the fact that you are cowering in fear of me putting a few PR links to a niche and outranking you so easily tells me just how weak you know your so called rankings are. Mind you you shouldn't share results or your niche but the ease in which you think I would outrank you is telling.

                                            So who cares what you rank for? Its not where most people wanting to make money live or they would not be talking BMR, Article networks etc. Your point is of no point in this thread. feel free to find all kinds of long tail with little traffic and no competition needing no backlinks. Proves my point exactly and shows how inconsequential forum profile links are.

                                            Have a merry Christmas!
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                                            • Profile picture of the author swords
                                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                              As suspected and thank you for confirming. You claim to be ranking in some weak old serps where you have zero competition and don't even need links by your own admission. I've never said if you have no competition you cannot rank so you just destroyed your whole rant and exposed your "rankings" for the weak old amazon sites that they are.

                                              Most Imers are going for things a bit more lucrative and do considerable more links against better competition plus the fact that you are cowering in fear of me putting a few PR links to a niche and outranking you so easily tells me just how weak you know your so called rankings are. Mind you you shouldn't share results or your niche but the ease in which you think I would outrank you is telling.

                                              So who cares what you rank for? Its not where most people wanting to make money live or they would not be talking BMR, Article networks etc. Your point is of no point in this thread. feel free to find all kinds of long tail with little traffic and no competition needing no backlinks. Proves my point exactly and shows how inconsequential forum profile links are.

                                              Have a merry Christmas!
                                              I never said I couldn't outrank you in my niches, because my on-page SEO is spot on. I want the easiest work possible, and if that means slapping 100 forum profiles on my site a day for no work to get my rankings - then by golly I will. As you shy away from telling everyone - even after Marc has clearly brought it out to you - there is more work involved to make a good, safe, blog network. I prefer going my route of typing in my URL/Keyword in and let my system create 100 profiles a day and get #1 rankings for long tail, and you prefer your way... why must you keep arguing different if MY WAY IS WORKING? Because you're jealous? Because it never worked for you?

                                              As for your last paragraph - 2k searches a month is little traffic? Damn, if I made a WSO and said: "Rank #1 for 2k searches a month with my forum profiles - GUARANTEED (or money back)", you are saying nobody would want these? Let's take an example of one my Amazon sites that sells $100 products, and it sits at #1 on Google. Let's also "pretend" (*cough*) that my Amazon site is an EMD, but only receives 30% of the clicks for that search term.

                                              If need be, I can post my screenshot of my amazon account bringing in an 11% conversion rate, but for our purposes (and to please you mostly), let's say my visitors convert at a measely 5% - because I'm just some noob and doesn't know what IM is.

                                              Paying $3/article ($15 for site), $3 for a nice looking header, and $10 for a domain we have a total cost of $28 and 1.5 hours of MY work.

                                              2000 x 30% x 5% = 30 sales for $100 products = $92/mo PROFIT

                                              Now you're telling me that nobody would want to follow my guidelines to work 1.5 hours and make $92/mo? If you worked a minimal 4.5 hours for 10 days, you're sitting at $2,700+/mo for these 'little traffic, no competition keywords'.

                                              You're 105% biasness to high PR blog networks has made your mind a filter to solid IM businesses. I'm not saying your way of ranking for 30k+ search terms isn't a bad one, but what I am saying is that mine isn't either. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of people who would want to be shown how to make $92/mo recurring for only 1.5 hours one-time.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                DUDE!

                                                lol

                                                Its Christmas EVE. I'll read your diatribe in full on Monday. Like has been said CLAIMS ARE NOT EVIDENCE (they are a dime a dozen on WF). For now Back away from the computer, regain your life and go enjoy the holidays. Call that Girl you like, Go sing Carols. Go tell Mom you love her and get to lick the frosting spoons.... anything but this on Christmas Eve.

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                                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                  ...Go tell Mom you love her and get to lick the frosting spoons.... anything but this on Christmas Eve.

                                                  unsubscribed until then
                                                  Lick the frosting spoons. That has to be one of the funniest things I've read in this thread. That took me back to being a kid. LOL...

                                                  Hope everyone has Happy Holidays. Merry Christmas!
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                                                    Originally Posted by EricBaglio View Post

                                                    Lick the frosting spoons. That has to be one of the funniest things I've read in this thread. That took me back to being a kid. LOL...

                                                    Hope everyone has Happy Holidays. Merry Christmas!
                                                    Me too! LOL . This has been one juicy thread!
                                                    Happy Holidays everyone!
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                                              • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                                                The search volume is not necessary a key to profit, 2K searches/month if converting well will be a great cash machine!

                                                Originally Posted by swords View Post

                                                As for your last paragraph - 2k searches a month is little traffic? Damn, if I made a WSO and said: "Rank #1 for 2k searches a month with my forum profiles - GUARANTEED (or money back)", you are saying nobody would want these? Let's take an example of one my Amazon sites that sells $100 products, and it sits at #1 on Google. Let's also "pretend" (*cough*) that my Amazon site is an EMD, but only receives 30% of the clicks for that search term.

                                                If need be, I can post my screenshot of my amazon account bringing in an 11% conversion rate, but for our purposes (and to please you mostly), let's say my visitors convert at a measely 5% - because I'm just some noob and doesn't know what IM is.

                                                Paying $3/article ($15 for site), $3 for a nice looking header, and $10 for a domain we have a total cost of $28 and 1.5 hours of MY work.

                                                2000 x 30% x 5% = 30 sales for $100 products = $92/mo PROFIT

                                                Now you're telling me that nobody would want to follow my guidelines to work 1.5 hours and make $92/mo? If you worked a minimal 4.5 hours for 10 days, you're sitting at $2,700+/mo for these 'little traffic, no competition keywords'.
                                                Impressive figures, scale this up and you are building an empire!

                                                I believe the scale up part is achievable if you can find a way to automate everything, from content setup to backlinking!
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                Originally Posted by swords View Post

                                                . As you shy away from telling everyone - even after Marc has clearly brought it out to you - there is more work involved to make a good, safe, blog network.
                                                If Marc is your teacher what can I say? He's not mine. One of my students already picked up 3-4 domains in less than a week and is well on his way to ranking his business in a niche you would only dream of. Your lazy don't even have to learn what PR approach spam the life out of sites that yank your backlinks regularly makes you no money to speak of. How can I say that? because you are hardly original and those systems haven't worked in ages. You manage to rank for some long tail serp maybe once or twice that nobody wants and the run on to places like WF claiming you got this great system (prep the opening music for a WSO). See it all the time.

                                                I prefer going my route of typing in my URL/Keyword in and let my system create 100 profiles a day and get #1 rankings for long tail
                                                Only problem is you don't. You already let that out of the bag. You clearly stated you rank 1 to 5 which means even in your WEAK low traffic need no backlinks to get on first page serps you quite often can't muster number one and get like 5-10% of the traffic which I bet and you will deny gets less than a hundred visits a month and nearly no conversions.

                                                Because you're jealous? Because it never worked for you?
                                                LOL. yes thats it. I am jealous. Out of the millions of people around the world looking to rank sites you have managed to rank number 5 for a term none of them wanted and it just kills me I can rank in ones they would want to rank for.

                                                As for your last paragraph - 2k searches a month is little traffic? Damn, if I made a WSO and said: "Rank #1 for 2k searches a month with my forum profiles - GUARANTEED (or money back)", you are saying nobody would want these?
                                                Is that it? trying a prelaunch for that? You'll have to do better. We have all seen WSOs just like that that were not worth spit.

                                                If need be, I can post my screenshot of my amazon account bringing in an 11% conversion rate
                                                Yes and we have never ever seen fake screenshots either around here especially not people considering doing WSOs for their great forum profile click a button and get rich SEO system. Meanwhile for what? the twentieth time the request to show one serp that doesn't have to be yours that demonstrates your great principle is still being waited for.


                                                2000 x 30% x 5% = 30 sales for $100 products = $92/mo PROFIT

                                                Now you're telling me that nobody would want to follow my guidelines to work 1.5 hours and make $92/mo? If you worked a minimal 4.5 hours for 10 days, you're sitting at $2,700+/mo for these 'little traffic, no competition keywords'.
                                                ROFl. Do you have any idea how often people come out in IM with income projections for their WSOs based on their best case but not real world scalable scenarios? Its all total garbage.

                                                A) by your own admission you try and look for terms where just on page ranks you :rolleyes:. Weakest of the weak and notoriously low traffic. Will you fool the newbs that there are ton loads of $100+ product serps with no competition they can "Guaranteed" rank for with 2,000 searches per month in your future WSO - as you claim "Guaranteed"? Yes perhaps but no one with any SEO sense is going to believe they can count on any of those factors to scale your totally unproven claims.

                                                B) you already admitted you fall flat on your face many times when you admitted you rank 1-5. 4 and 5 don't bring 30% of the traffic. poof! goes the instant and guaranteed scalable system.

                                                C) none of those pushing systems they are looking to sell on this forum like you are (and you now have referred to people wanting it like three times) ever talk about the hours of failure where they did not rank, the traffic estimates according to Google that never materialize, the sites that ranked for a few days and tanked the next week, the products that thee buzz and the traffic died down on, the countless forum profile links that get deleted or nofollowed.

                                                D) its as usual all based on your claims which are a dime a dozen.


                                                There are hundreds (if not thousands) of people who would want to be shown how to make $92/mo recurring for only 1.5 hours one-time.
                                                and so another garbage SEO WSO will soon be on its way.
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                                                • Profile picture of the author swords
                                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                  If Marc is your teacher what can I say? He's not mine. One of my students already picked up 3-4 domains in less than a week and is well on his way to ranking his business in a niche you would only dream of. Your lazy don't even have to learn what PR approach spam the life out of sites that yank your backlinks regularly makes you no money to speak of. How can I say that? because you are hardly original and those systems haven't worked in ages. You manage to rank for some long tail serp maybe once or twice that nobody wants and the run on to places like WF claiming you got this great system (prep the opening music for a WSO). See it all the time.

                                                  Only problem is you don't. You already let that out of the bag. You clearly stated you rank 1 to 5 which means even in your WEAK low traffic need no backlinks to get on first page serps you quite often can't muster number one and get like 5-10% of the traffic which I bet and you will deny gets less than a hundred visits a month and nearly no conversions.



                                                  LOL. yes thats it. I am jealous. Out of the millions of people around the world looking to rank sites you have managed to rank number 5 for a term none of them wanted and it just kills me I can rank in ones they would want to rank for.

                                                  Is that it? trying a prelaunch for that? You'll have to do better. We have all seen WSOs just like that that were not worth spit.

                                                  Yes and we have never ever seen fake screenshots either around here especially not people considering doing WSOs for their great forum profile click a button and get rich SEO system. Meanwhile for what? the twentieth time the request to show one serp that doesn't have to be yours that demonstrates your great principle is still being waited for.


                                                  ROFl. Do you have any idea how often people come out in IM with income projections for their WSOs based on their best case but not real world scalable scenarios? Its all total garbage.

                                                  A) by your own admission you try and look for terms where just on page ranks you :rolleyes:. Weakest of the weak and notoriously low traffic. Will you fool the newbs that there are ton loads of $100+ product serps with no competition they can "Guaranteed" rank for with 2,000 searches per month in your future WSO - as you claim "Guaranteed"? Yes perhaps but no one with any SEO sense is going to believe they can count on any of those factors to scale your totally unproven claims.

                                                  B) you already admitted you fall flat on your face many times when you admitted you rank 1-5. 4 and 5 don't bring 30% of the traffic. poof! goes the instant and guaranteed scalable system.

                                                  C) none of those pushing systems they are looking to sell on this forum like you are (and you now have referred to people wanting it like three times) ever talk about the hours of failure where they did not rank, the traffic estimates according to Google that never materialize, the sites that ranked for a few days and tanked the next week, the products that thee buzz and the traffic died down on, the countless forum profile links that get deleted or nofollowed.

                                                  D) its as usual all based on your claims which are a dime a dozen.


                                                  and so another garbage SEO WSO will soon be on its way.
                                                  You make a comeback on Christmas Eve saying I have no life and need to enjoy my family - so I ignore you and do so. Yet, you are back the DAY AFTER to rant on more about how your system is the best in the world and that no other system works.

                                                  But God forbid you not get the last word. Oh it cannot be, the most notorious signature advertiser on this forum does not get the last word in to make himself look like the alpha male.

                                                  I'll be the mature one and leave it here. Have a great Holiday sir, and I do wish you well in your ways of making money.
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                    Originally Posted by swords View Post

                                                    I'll be the mature one and leave it here
                                                    Why do people who claim the other person wants the last word always post a last word?

                                                    Originally Posted by bitriot View Post

                                                    Mike, I think you are kind of a blowhard. But in this regard you are absolutely, 100%, correct.
                                                    Nope. Don't think. You know and I KNOW on this forum I am a blowhard. People who PM are often shocked how different I am but with all the nonsense people peddle here I have found that being understanding in fact fools newbies into thinking that maybe the nonsense isn't quite nonsense and they end up losing by chasing some of this pie in the sky foolishness

                                                    Originally Posted by Hogre View Post

                                                    Being ranked number one, let's say you get a 30% click through rate to your site. Typical click through rate from your site to Amazon is around 20-30%. Of those, 3-7% buy something. Let's use the optimistic scenario:

                                                    2000 X 30% X 30% X 7% =14 sales

                                                    Now, a more realistic scenario would be

                                                    2000 X 30% X 25% X 5%=7.5 sales
                                                    EXCELLENT POST AND POINT Hogre. Leaving out the conversions from site to Amazon demonstrates how bogus the projection was. It assumes an impossible 100% conversion rate at either the site or at Amazon.
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                    Originally Posted by swords View Post

                                                    I'll be the mature one and leave it here. Have a great Holiday sir, and I do wish you well in your ways of making money.

                                                    Should have left it right there Swords. I won't get into the specifics but if you don't agree with me, write the things that you have and think I am not on the up and up I couldn't see why you would order my course except to cause trouble.

                                                    People need to understand that disagreements on a forum are just that - disagreements on a forum. We should all be mature enough to leave whatever differences we have to these boards and not try and spill them over to our businesses or other venues.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Hogre
                                                Originally Posted by swords View Post


                                                2000 x 30% x 5% = 30 sales for $100 products = $92/mo PROFIT

                                                Now you're telling me that nobody would want to follow my guidelines to work 1.5 hours and make $92/mo? If you worked a minimal 4.5 hours for 10 days, you're sitting at $2,700+/mo for these 'little traffic, no competition keywords'.
                                                Yeah, and your figures are off, too.

                                                Being ranked number one, let's say you get a 30% click through rate to your site. Typical click through rate from your site to Amazon is around 20-30%. Of those, 3-7% buy something. Let's use the optimistic scenario:

                                                2000 X 30% X 30% X 7% =14 sales

                                                Now, a more realistic scenario would be

                                                2000 X 30% X 25% X 5%=7.5 sales

                                                Now I know there are a lot of variables here and that some products can convert at higher percentages, but this has been my experience across a wide variety of sites, not to mention that there are a lot of people here reporting similar figures.
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                                                  Originally Posted by Hogre View Post

                                                  Yeah, and your figures are off, too.

                                                  Being ranked number one, let's say you get a 30% click through rate to your site. Typical click through rate from your site to Amazon is around 20-30%. Of those, 3-7% buy something. Let's use the optimistic scenario:

                                                  2000 X 30% X 30% X 7% =14 sales

                                                  Now, a more realistic scenario would be

                                                  2000 X 30% X 25% X 5%=7.5 sales
                                                  I think this is a point a LOT of newbs fail to realize. Getting thousands of searches a month is great, but conversions come at a very small percent in most cases. First a percentage will click on your site in the SERPs, then a percentage of that will click your link on your site, then a percentage of those will buy. In most cases those percentages are quite small. Going after a keyword that gets 2k searches a month is hardly worth the time in many cases. If you do, make sure you found a niche that converts very well, or pays very well for each conversion.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author bitriot
                                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                          Another absolute myth spouted by forum link sellers. The outrageously silly idea that Google counts forum profile links toward some kind of diversity algo when in fact they are very clear that they see those links as spammy
                                          Mike, I think you are kind of a blowhard. But in this regard you are absolutely, 100%, correct. I have seen more movement on my sites from 1 month of build my rank than I EVER have seen after buying tens of thousands of spammy forum/profile/blog comment links. It couldn't be any clearer how much more valuable PR'd links are than crappy, "diversE" links.
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                                            Originally Posted by bitriot View Post

                                            Mike, I think you are kind of a blowhard. But in this regard you are absolutely, 100%, correct. I have seen more movement on my sites from 1 month of build my rank than I EVER have seen after buying tens of thousands of spammy forum/profile/blog comment links. It couldn't be any clearer how much more valuable PR'd links are than crappy, "diversE" links.

                                            BMR had a high index rate while you didn't send those profile links for indexing, that's the difference.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                Originally Posted by swords View Post

                                Ok, you get your rankings how you get yours, and I'll get my deserved rankings how I get mine.

                                I love how you always dare Marc/Matt to prove rankings to you, but I have YET to see any proof from you at all. At least Marc/Matt have testimonies to back them up... what do you have? A mouthful of words and too much time on your hands to type 5000 characters in every blog network thread that pops up to advertise your signature?
                                Mike is on a crusade against anything he disagrees with. He won't ever concede anything. You can't possibly be getting any rankings because in his mind only his methods work and you aren't doing what he suggests, no demands. All of your conversions on your webpages are wrong/fake too because you got your rankings in ways that don't work. Testimonials can be faked so all of them are fake in his mind too. Heck he left a testimonial for kkchoon which must have been fake, he should be ashamed.

                                You only go after keywords like "backlinks" or you are going for "pink zebra lolipop boxes" type keywords as well. Nobody wants any of the sales coming from your 10 word long tail keywords because they aren't real.

                                There could be 1 million low pr links for a site but if there is 1 pr 4 link then that is what is creating the ranking. He sees what he wants to see, you can't convince him that the sky is blue if he has his mind set on it.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                  . Heck he left a testimonial for kkchoon which must have been fake, he should be ashamed.
                                  Marc we can disagree but your incessant lying and distorting is tiring

                                  A) KK lifted a thread response OVER A YEAR OLD to try and make a point about himself now which is no longer true.
                                  B) It was not a testimonial since I NEVER used any of his products or services.

                                  I've said often that profile links USED TO work but that they no longer do. To claim I should be ashamed because I have updated my list of what works post Panda is part of the character issues I have with you that makes our back and forths what they are.

                                  There could be 1 million low pr links for a site but if there is 1 pr 4 link then that is what is creating the ranking. He sees what he wants to see, you can't convince him that the sky is blue if he has his mind set on it.
                                  How about you characterizing your own points and leave me to characterize my own. Its more intellectually honest if at all you care about that. What creates a ranking is analyzed not merely by looking at the page that is ranking but by the other pages on the front page it is ranking over. So no the prescence of one pr4 link would not elicit that response from me unless the comparative analysis of the other pages showed that was the difference.

                                  Thats how SEO competitive analysis is always done - by looking at the competition on the first page - despite your repeated protests.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              There comes a point at which I guess I have to accept that no matter how many ways I explain it to you you won't get it. has nothing to to do with any special case. There is no special case algo in that serp.
                              I said ranking for "backlinks" is a special case, not because of the algo but because of the bragging rights. For instance. If you rank number 1 for "golf" you don't get any added bonus from the rep for doing so. The term is not worth going after because it isn't very specific and it wouldn't convert as well as say, "golf clubs".

                              Ranking for "backlinks" is going to give you rep because of the nature of the keyword. You don't get that with other broad keywords like "diamonds" or "golf". Therefore it is a special case in that regard only. I NEVER said it was an algo special case.
                              You and KK and a few others continue to make claims without showing a single serp.
                              What would you like to see? What am I arguing? Have I said PR isn't important?
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                I said ranking for "backlinks" is a special case, not because of the algo but because of the bragging rights.
                                I didn't post the serp to talk about bragging rights Marc and you know that . I posted it to show a competitive serp where quantity did not beat quality. That goes to the core of the debate in this thread.

                                To this date I am THE ONLY one that has put ay serp or evidence on the table and that evidence states in contradiction to KKs point that quantity does not beat quality.

                                Since you admit that the algo is no different in that serp but applies to all then the evidence presented indicates Quality trumps quantity. I don't at this point care about anything else. Not what you said, not what she said not what she said you said. just what the evidence says.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  I didn't post the serp to talk about bragging rights Marc and you know that . I posted it to show a competitive serp where quantity did not beat quality. That goes to the core of the debate in this thread.
                                  But you did mention it! And this is what is special about that SERP.
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                        • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          For you of all people who participated in those debates to try and insinuate that my positions are held to sell something is just a clear indicator of deep character issues on your part. You know full well I held them without anything to sell because our first back and forths with nothing to the effect in my sig were just as diametrically opposed and I hold the EXACT same positions regardless.

                          Sorry but if I am pimping then so are you. Your only points in this thread have been to back up a philosophy your service is based on and by a poster that has been promoting you.
                          Your king of these catch 22 Salem witch trials. Your circular logic is laughable at times. "Whatever Marc, If I preach about something I sell, its because I BELIEVE in it...You only preach about it because your SELLING it, not because you believe it" - :rolleyes:

                          I saw through your attacks the first day you went on your tear through the forums attacking everyone, it was so obvious you were trying to sell your own sig. Everywhere I look, you're starting arguments, following people around trying to plug yourself, all while you accusing people of pluggin themselves lol THE HYPOCRISY.

                          You ever thought that maybe Marc sells what he is preaching BECAUSE he believes in it...not because he is some greedy, soulless ******* that you try to make him out to be.

                          First you praise HIGH PR networks and claim how awesome they are to attack kok, then you attack our High PR Network and say how dumb they are people just should just buy some course from you teaching them to make their OWN network

                          Which is funny because you can be quoted as saying how Powerful Low Out Bound Links are on High PR networks which is verbatim what ours is, only allowing 15 Homepage links per page. But then you tried to attack that in my thread you came stomping through. It was obvious you were just trying to get noobs to go "OHHH look how smart this guy seems...WHATS THIS...a SIG...lets see what he is selling..PERFECT..its EXACTLY WHAT HE'S BEEN SPOON FEEDING ME" lol what a joke.

                          We sell low quality and high quality and preach diversity. Everything i'm hearing from you here, yet you talked all kinds of smack to me everywhere I went. I though my shadow had come alive and was on its period.

                          You want to sell everyone a cow and all the work/cost that goes with it.. all while trying to convince the worlds that its better than the convenience of just buying milk.

                          You don't have to wait for it, you don't have to add anything to it or churn it, you don't have to worry about investing time only to have the cow (PR network) Die..nobody buys cows because they value their time.

                          Do you own a cow mike? Or do you just sell people ideas about how to buy them? :rolleyes:
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                            Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee View Post

                            I saw through your attacks the first day you went on your tear through the forums attacking everyone,
                            beck, you, jinks - Get all the SenukeX and link spam guys to come over to this thread. I don't really care. one thing is very clear about it is that you have nothing to offer but personal attacks on me because I hold a different opinion to link spam. simple and transparent. You can be angry at me forever by the way. Mods deleted the threads about your services you started --- not me.

                            Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee View Post

                            First you praise HIGH PR networks and claim how awesome they are to attack kok, then you attack our High PR Network and say how dumb they are people just should just buy some course from you teaching them to make their OWN network
                            Actually thats utterly false . BMR and other networks are excellent. My point has never been not to use them. My posts have been in defense to those that claim building your own is a waste of time. Thats why I agree and thanked Matt when he said to use both . This back and forth started for the same reason it always does someone comes in claiming low quality in quantity beats quality which is exactly what KK started pushing. Other times its SenukeX is the bomb and it pits low quality sellers (and I am talking about people who make this claim NOT particular sellers) against those that believe in some quality. Will you get that or admit it? No because you will forever be sore that two threads you started as case studies of your own service were closed after complaints they were too self serving.
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                            • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              beck, you, jinks - Get all the SenukeX and link spam guys to come over to this thread. I don't really care. one thing is very clear about it is that you have nothing to offer but personal attacks on me because I hold a different opinion to link spam. simple and transparent. You can be angry at me forever by the way. Mods deleted the threads about your services you started --- not me.
                              I don't care that it got deleted. The case study went on perfect in other forums. I specifically asked people not to talk about my services BECAUSE I was trying to follow the rules...You were trying to make it seem like I was doing something I wasn't. I have no problem with mods deleting it IF it was breaking a rule..I do have a problem with you calling my apples oranges.

                              Again, we sell High PR links AND High Volume low quality links. I don't have a bias at all because I sell both and I preach diversity so its ridiculous to act like we say low quality works just because we sell it. We say it works because it works and it is has its purpose.



                              Actually thats utterly false . BMR and other networks are excellent.
                              Yeah, they are awesome and ours sucks for whatever dumb reasons you came up with lol. Talking about personal attacks, you went out of your way and called us "liars" and said we don't actually have 4000 sites in our network. :rolleyes: What was that about pots and kettles you were telling Marc?



                              My point has never been not to use them. My posts have been in defense to those that claim building your own is a waste of time.
                              Nonsense, I never made ONE remark about it being a "waste of time" to build your own network...and you came in and started saying we "must be lying about how many sites are in our network" and I don't remember what other nonsense. Point is, you weren't on the Defense, you were on the OFFENSE.



                              Thats why I agree and thanked Matt when he said to use both .
                              Ironic, its what I preach. Yet I'm captain Spam guy or crappy over priced High PR guy. I am whatever bad guy you want me to be in order to push your sig. I didn't chase you around in threads, you chased me around.

                              For the record,

                              1.we DO have 4000 sites, it would be silly to claim something you can't back up. And we do have low out bound links. We only allow 15 OBL per home page with a handful of articles. <---Exactly what you have preached is good.

                              2. BMR is good? We do the same except our average PR is PR2.7 and BMR's average is 1.7 <---- how is that negative on us?

                              ^ But some how they are "Glorious" and you trash everyone else despite statistics. What are they paying you?
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                                Thank you for an entire post about your services. Now everyone can see what the issue was especially in your OPs which had links straight to your sites from the get go. Mods agreed it was violating the rules. get over it. If I complained about mod action in every thread I'd be a goner but here you are again :rolleyes:. As for all the other stuff about another thread. - I am not responding further. This is not that thread.

                                Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee View Post

                                :rolleyes:.....I mean come on lol are you seeing a pattern here.
                                yes I see it. The pattern is that between you and jinx you have yet to comment once on the subject of the thread which I think is a DEAD giveaway with who has the issues.

                                You guys have great night and a happy new year.
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                                • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Now everyone can see what the issue was especially in OPs which had links straight to your sites.
                                  I just looked, and the OP doesn't mention us anywhere nor does he have any links to us. I didn't mention my service name, nor give any links...I'm talking to you directly because you hypocritically bashed it on one thread then praised exactly what we do on this one. What kind of nutty fruit-loops did your momma feed you? I WAS just sitting back and reading for awhile..but your ridiculousness reached a point where I couldn't help but comment.

                                  Thank you for an entire post about your services.
                                  There goes the witch trials again, you can bash our service...but if we defend it, requiring us to talk abut it on some level.."We are just selling it in the threads". What exactly do you propose we do? Bend over for you? :rolleyes: If you talk about our services, so will we. And this thread is proof that you go around bringing everyones name up, not the other way around.

                                  How many times have you talked about "Building your own network"? That is in YOUR sig and that is YOUR service, so every time you talk about it...your selling your own service by your standards, genius. What color was that kettle again? So your telling me I should report it every time I see it? Jeez, I wish I was that lame.


                                  The pattern is that between you and jinx you have yet to comment once on the subject of the thread which I think is a DEAD giveaway with who has the issues.

                                  You guys have great night and a happy new year.
                                  You derailed this thread a looooooooooong time ago..as usual it has become the "Mike Anthony Show". I'm just along for the ride.
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                                    Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee View Post

                                    I just looked, and the OP doesn't mention us anywhere nor does he have any links to us.
                                    obviously because this thread has nothing to do with what you are talking about. You hijacked it to talk about other threads that I and others reported and mods deleted.

                                    Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

                                    The reason I'm here now is to show that they arent the only ones you have flamed. Besides, why resssurect an old thread just for the sake of argument (literally)
                                    Great so you confirm what I said was true - that you are in this thread not to participate but to make personal atatacks based on other threads. Thats a classic admission of trying to derail a thread. So with that you should desist, grow up and if you have issues then deal with them in the appropriate thread. I have multiple people who don't like what I say about SenukX and other link spam tools. Join the long line. Anyone with difference of opinions on that make quick enemies of those who love pushing it.

                                    IF I said yo dudes (lol) theres this great fiverr gig where you can get 200 million backlinks for like five dollars and its the bomb and will beat every thing out there including high quality links. I'd have a full stream of thanks, high fives, you the mans and be the hero to everyone. I'm the party pooper though that dares to say hey quality matters and low quality tools stink so of course I get a string load of enemies particularly because when they come back at me I can give back better than they can take. Comes with the territory.

                                    anyway like I said. night and have a happy and safe new year.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                      obviously because this thread has nothing to do with what you are talking about. You hijacked it to talk about other threads that I and others reported and mods deleted.



                                      Great so you confirm what I said was true - that you are in this thread not to participate but to make personal atatacks based on other threads. Thats a classic admission of trying to derail a thread. So with that you should desist, grow up and if you have issues then deal with them in the appropriate thread.

                                      anyway like I said. night and have a happy and safe new year.
                                      Hmmmm....Op wants to know about High PR Networks

                                      OP: When I did a search in WF, I ran across a few and they look pretty good. Has anyone had any success with a particular service here on WF that they'd recommend?
                                      Let me guess, If I talk about mine (which is directly what he is talking about) it full of crap and just selling. I would assume ANY talk about a High PR Network is more inline with what the OP is asking for than you going back and forth with all the people you've started crap with.

                                      Mike Anthony: 2nd post
                                      You've been posting this all over the forums and even had one thread deleted. You offer no evidence and when asked to post a SINGLE EXAMPLE in Google serps of a low PR network beating a high PR network you make some excuse and run away.


                                      ROFL No one can find your network in any serp. You have been selling mostly forum profile links and since people have woke up to how miserable those are especially post panda you are scrambling around trying to find and sell some other mass push button system.
                                      Your SECOND post was nothing but an attack on Kok and had nothing to do with the OP. Did you get a degree in hypocrisy? Jeez, your worse than my wife.lol
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                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  [Fist Pump-Chest Pound]
                  "Blah-blah-blah"
                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                  [RAGE!]
                  "Blay-blah-blah"
                  You two need to put on the gloves and take it out back. You're always bickering in every blog network thread which causes a lock or cesspool of garbage that nobody wants to read.
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          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I apologize. I spoke incorrectly. You used to sell crappy backlinks. I didn't realize you stopped.

          However, indexing and crawling services are only necessary for low quality backlinks. If you are building backlinks off of high PR pages, there is not need to worry about taking extra effort for indexing. So, I stand by my original statement that you are completely biased in any discussion about quantity versus quality backlinks, and therefore, I'm not getting into this argument with you.

          This is from his current WSO:

          One of our core businesses is building backlinks for our corporate clients; We are creating 10,000 forum profile backlinks for my client every day, and we need effective ways to get those profile links indexed.
          So obviously he still sells profile links (he said he does & the WSO is still open promoting his profile backlinking).
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            This is from his current WSO:



            So obviously he still sells profile links (he said he does & the WSO is still open promoting his profile backlinking).
            Maybe there is another alternative? Like the sales copy is old? Do you think that's possible?
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              Maybe there is another alternative? Like the sales copy is old? Do you think that's possible?
              Might be a good time to update the WSO If he no longer is selling profile backlinks.

              Then again his last comment on that WSO was 12-22-2011 (today), so I think he is very aware of what he is selling/promoting.

              Not much left to index though, higher PR backlinks get indexed on their own.
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              • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Might be a good time to update the WSO If he no longer is selling profile backlinks.

                Then again his last comment on that WSO was 12-22-2011 (today), so I think he is very aware of what he is selling/promoting.

                Not much left to index though, higher PR backlinks get indexed on their own.
                I'm sure he doesn't re-read the sales copy before every post. :rolleyes:

                But he should update it if he isn't selling them any longer.
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                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                  I'm sure he doesn't re-read the sales copy before every post. :rolleyes:

                  But he should update it if he isn't selling them any longer.

                  He has already acknowledge my previous comment about his outdated Live WSO content, yet you keep defending, like it's an oversight. Are you serious?
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                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    He has already acknowledge my previous comment about his outdated Live WSO content, yet you keep defending, like it's an oversight. Are you serious?
                    I'm not sure what he's admitted. All I am saying is that your logic was faulty. There were other options other than what you concluded. Whether you were actually right/wrong is immaterial.
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                      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                      I'm not sure what he's admitted. All I am saying is that your logic was faulty. There were other options other than what you concluded. Whether you were actually right/wrong is immaterial.
                      So being correct is immaterial & faulty?

                      I'm done, this is just getting boring... :rolleyes:
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                        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                        So being correct is immaterial & faulty?

                        I'm done, this is just getting boring... :rolleyes:
                        If you were correct you came to the conclusion using faulty logic. You got lucky.
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              • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Might be a good time to update the WSO If he no longer is selling profile backlinks.

                Then again his last comment on that WSO was 12-22-2011 (today), so I think he is very aware of what he is selling/promoting.

                Not much left to index though, higher PR backlinks get indexed on their own.
                You must be blind: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post4492153

                I've stopped commenting since August.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    It might / might not be justify to build a blog network; Anyway, I would prefer to use established blog network service, the only time when I build a private network is either I want to run a service or I have plan to build expand my affiliate sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hossain
    ummmmmmmm..... Quality can be beaten by Quantity.... However I would love to use quality backlinks as they are safe, plenty of to use and take minimum time to rank.
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by strategic seo services View Post

      I agree. I've used BuildMyRanks, and it's quite effective.
      Yes, but they are too strict to be useful to me, and if I have to pay for each unique article just to get a link - it is stupid.

      Spun articles work as well as backlink, I think BMR and Linkvana is overdoing this, unique article will only bring the cost up.

      Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

      ummmmmmmm..... Quality can be beaten by Quantity.... However I would love to use quality backlinks as they are safe, plenty of to use and take minimum time to rank.
      Please define quality.

      When I say quality vs quantity, I mean high PR vs low PR, both are safe in this case.

      However, when I say quality link, that might means a lot of stuff, such as:

      1. Backlinks with 3 OBL or less
      2. Backlinks with unique spin content
      3. Backlinks with anchor text surrounded by unique / spin content

      The only time when backlink is consider bad for me - a lot of links from this domain to all kinds of low quality links (links that doesn't meet the above 3 conditions), that might cause a problem when Google deindex the site.

      Trust me, I have done this many times, and I know the details about this.

      Originally Posted by DynoMutt View Post

      If you are just starting out--start out small with a keyword whose #1 competition can be knocked out easily with contextualized anchor text backlinks. It does not cost that much to host a handful of seo hosting sites per month. The purchase PR 3 and 4s do not cost much to attain when you compare the monthly cost of renting space on someone else's network. They are certainly worth the upfront cost. Use that small network you develop to send backlinks to a money site whose monetization will cover your monthly expenses and then some.

      Just continue to scale up.
      I agree. This is one way to go for having your own network; although you can rank for many competitive keywords because of limited number of sites, but you still be able to rank for handful of long tail keywords, that's where the real money is.

      As your budget grow with your income, you can expand the network and rank for more keywords, and slowly eliminates the limitation by increasing the number of sites.

      There is another way - you join an established network, eliminates the limitation of small resources, leverage the huge amount of sites from those networks and start ranking for higher competition keywords.

      I don't rely on my own network to rank keywords for my client, or I won't be able to get a lot of clients fast enough because of the limitation of my own private network, instead, I pay a relative small fees to start ranking competitive keywords.

      It doesn't matter which route to go, they will make you money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        I apologize. I spoke incorrectly. You used to sell crappy backlinks. I didn't realize you stopped.
        He didn't - check post 14.


        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

        Yes, but they are too strict to be useful to me, and if I have to pay for each unique article just to get a link - it is stupid.
        Again you are showing your total lack of understanding. Its not stupid. They are attempting to protect their network by insisting on a level of content that does not expose their sites to deindexing. You can't rank in ANY competitive niche with spun content garbage sites for the simple reason that if you even did in a truly competitive niche your competitors will hit the link spam report button at Google get the links devalued and the network domains deindexed.


        However, when I say quality link, that might means a lot of stuff, such as:
        1. Backlinks with 3 OBL or less
        Then you are not talking about quality. Only way you are going to get that low OBl is negotiating a link with a webmaster, buying a link or putting a link on your own website.
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I apologize. I spoke incorrectly. You used to sell crappy backlinks. I didn't realize you stopped.
          Apology not accepted because high PR profile links - "if they stick", they work as well as High PR blog post, I have build more profile links and page 1 ranking you can imagine. So if you keep calling it crappy, proof yourself that you can outrank me, else you are just a big mouth with empty inside out.

          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          However, indexing and crawling services are only necessary for low quality backlinks. If you are building backlinks off of high PR pages, there is not need to worry about taking extra effort for indexing. So, I stand by my original statement that you are completely biased in any discussion about quantity versus quality backlinks, and therefore, I'm not getting into this argument with you.
          You want to argue like Mike Anthony or you want to put your statement to the test? Apparently you don't know anything about indexing.

          Let me tell you why we need indexing. Advance SEO marketer build thousands of links each and everyday, they are not only going after long tail keywords, they are going after all kinds of highly competitive keywords which your little High PR network with limited sites can't keep up.

          In this scenario, you have 2 choices, either let it age and discover by Google - Naturally, which might take forever, or - get all of them indexed in 10 days.

          Indexing is as easy as eating a carrot, why skip this step? I do agree if you are only building 10 links a day, there are no point getting them index, those little 10 links will get index in few days - naturally, especially when most of them are still in the home page, Google will definitely index them.

          However, if you are posting say like 500 links a day to various sites, your backlink will most probably drop off home page, now they will take much longer time to get index!

          I hope anyone who read this find some insight to indexing vs not indexing.

          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          Aren't we all biased?

          As for the viability of creating a network of aged domains, it takes a lot of work to find the domains and then to verify the links. Then to find a good host to host the sites on separate IPs. It does take some time so don't let anybody tell you it's a cakewalk. So if you only have a handful of money sites I don't think building a high PR network is worth it. You can buy posts on other blogs.

          If only somebody offered a course on the subject....:rolleyes:
          I'm keep telling them, they do not admit the work of building maintaining the network Vs Paid established service - get started instantly!

          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          This is from his current WSO:

          So obviously he still sells profile links (he said he does & the WSO is still open promoting his profile backlinking).
          If that is true, my signature will have that! BTW, profile links can be quality links, it depends how you build it. Sadly, the extreme spamming from XRumer community literary kill it, profile link don't stick any more.

          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          Maybe there is another alternative? Like the sales copy is old? Do you think that's possible?
          I currently don't have any customer from this service, and doesn't recommend it anymore, and these few guys keep accusing me selling something that are not there anymore, sounds like they know my business more than I do!

          BTW, I like Matt Laclear system; High PR network just had a lot more to lose, while if I found a way to build Low PR network as effective as high PR network, I won't have to worry about my little pitty High PR network getting exposed!
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

            Apology not accepted because high PR profile links - "if they stick", they work as well as High PR blog post,
            Credibility shot to smithereens. The defense rests. . Keep CLAIMING you rank sites. I suspect thee is not one half way credible person on WF that will back you up on that utter nonsense about forum profiles being as good as links in a high PR blog post. Thats a complete joke.

            Let me tell you why we need indexing. Advanced link spammer build thousands of links each and everyday, they are not only going after long tail keywords, they are going after all kinds of highly competitive keywords which your little High PR network with limited sites can't keep up.
            quote corrected for greater accuracy. As usual no proof in the serps for any of your statements just sales talk. I'm sorry the forum you used to push this on shut down but this kind of thing will not fly here anymore. Too many people here know SEO outside of forum profile links.

            In this scenario, you have 2 choices, either let it age and discover by Google - Naturally, which might take forever, or - get all of them indexed in 10 days.
            High PR sites get crawled sometimes in hours most a couple days with no booster needed. You have not a clue what you are talking about.

            However, if you are posting say like 500 links a day to various sites, your backlink will most probably drop off home page, now they will take much longer time to get index!
            junk links like Mike said. The only way links roll off quickly is because hundreds of people are blasting the sites

            I hope anyone who read this find some insight to indexing vs not indexing.
            Where oh were was the insight?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

            I currently don't have any customer from this service, and doesn't recommend it anymore, and these few guys keep accusing me selling something that are not there anymore, sounds like they know my business more than I do!
            You are selling this in two place. Yukon has pointed out one and the other is the first result here (I refuse to give a direct link)

            https://www.google.com/search?source...0l0ll0l0&gl=US

            Payment links are live. Its pitiful to deny it.
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          He didn't - check post 14.
          You're so quick to believe evidence that incriminates your 'opponents' and so slow to believe evidence that exonerates them. Maybe the sales copy wasn't updated? Maybe?
          Again you are showing your total lack of understanding. Its not stupid.
          I think he is saying it's stupid for him to do it. BMR can do what they want, it's their network. But as a prospective user kkchoon has every right to think getting links in that matter is stupid.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hossain
        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post


        Please define quality.

        When I say quality vs quantity, I mean high PR vs low PR, both are safe in this case.
        Ok As you are talking about PR1 backlinks then these are safe. But do you think 1k PR1 forum Profile blast will be safe?


        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post



        However, when I say quality link, that might means a lot of stuff, such as:

        1. Backlinks with 3 OBL or less
        2. Backlinks with unique spin content
        3. Backlinks with anchor text surrounded by unique / spin content
        Add No. 4 for Dofollow backlinks. and No. 5 for Relevant page.

        1. Backlinks with 3 OBL or less----> Why only 3 OBL? I would not mind to use 10 OBL from a PR7 page. For me no. of OBL is relative. It will depend on PR and some other factors.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Mike, I'm not sure why you keep attacking me while I try to put you in my ignore list. I don't mind if your accusation is true, but WHO KNOW MY OWN BUSINESS MORE THAN ME?

    How many times we throw away a site / page without updating it? I miss the old day when you are reasonable, do you remember what you said about me?



    Are we still friend or should I keep doing this to defend my name?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      Mike, I'm not sure why you keep attacking me while I try to put you in my ignore list. I don't mind if your accusation is true, but WHO KNOW MY OWN BUSINESS MORE THAN ME?
      KK people can say anything. Both Payment processes are live and you are participating in threads where you are selling this. Then you make the ridiculous statement that profile links are just as good as High Pr Blog links. totally ridiculous.

      I am not attacking you . I am however attacking what you are trying to push because many newbies don't know much better and your are preying on their misunderstanding of links.

      Yes there was a time long ago when you were open to learning and made strides to keep up with the changing landscape on google but then you left WF for the most part for a black hattters community and now that they have closed down you are back pushing the same kind of thing s that used to work and no longer do. KK people are getting penalties for some of the things you are suggesting and others just saw their sites tank because of them at the last panda update. I know. I have seen them and a few high pr backlinks brought back a few people that I helped.

      Grow my man. Its not all about the mass way to do things or what makes the most money selling. Its about what really works. Not claiming something that doesn't actually does. Show it in the serps. Everything changes with time and Profile links are now the spammiest weakest links that you can find. You and Marc have so much to learn about SEO and things like PR networks but instead of doing so you go off on your half baked ideas and in the process just mislead a whole pile of people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hossain
    Kok I trust you and I do believe Friedman, Anthony and Yukon everyone know the fact very well too.

    Sure 100 PR4 to PR6 backlinks can be easily beaten by 10K PR1 backlinks. But Friedman was quite correct too. He said if stack of crappy backlinks can do the trickery then some quality backlinks(low OBL, relevant, unique content and dofollow) can do it more easily.

    I see you all are just attacking each other for just ego problem! But its a settled issue and no need to debate.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Hossain View Post


      Sure 100 PR4 to PR6 backlinks can be easily beaten by 10K PR1 backlinks.

      Where? Show it in the serps. Who has 10k PR1s without developing higher PR naturally? What? theres a cap on PR now? Take even a second to think about it. This is not about ego this is about real world and facts. Only an idiot to SEO would build a network with 10,000 sites and not have higher than PR1s and 2s in the process.

      Google is sitting there with millions of serps. If these things are true we don't need long drawn out tests. WE CAN GO TO GOOGLE RIGHT NOW AND LOOK. I've said it often and no one will take it up that argues this - Where is the serp where a site with a ton of high quality High PR links are being beat out by just quantity going after the same anchor text? Long tail sure. Anything can happen there . really competitive stuff? Don't see it anywhere.

      I know two services that push this nonsense and they are both represented in this thread but anytime you ask them to show a single case in the serps they run away.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I know two services that push this nonsense and they are both represented in this thread but anytime you ask them to show a single case in the serps they run away.
        And yet, you've not shown any keyword that you consider competitive. I've given keywords in the past I consider "average IMer" keywords but you haven't listed a single one.

        What types of keywords do you need to create this PR network for? How many money sites do you need to have to make this type of network worthwhile? If you have a handful then I don't think it's worth the effort, buy links (from somebody other than me:rolleyes.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Where? Show it in the serps. Who has 10k PR1s without developing higher PR naturally? What? theres a cap on PR now? Take even a second to think about it. This is not about ego this is about real world and facts. Only an idiot to SEO would build a network with 10,000 sites and not have higher than PR1s and 2s in the process.

        Google is sitting there with millions of serps. If these things are true we don't need long drawn out tests. WE CAN GO TO GOOGLE RIGHT NOW AND LOOK. I've said it often and no one will take it up that argues this - Where is the serp where a site with a ton of high quality High PR links are being beat out by just quantity going after the same anchor text? Long tail sure. Anything can happen there . really competitive stuff? Don't see it anywhere.

        I know two services that push this nonsense and they are both represented in this thread but anytime you ask them to show a single case in the serps they run away.
        Thank you - I am now pleased. I do agree with you on many things, but disagree on many others. The point that seems to be disregarded in these on-going discussions is that long tail keywords are NOT USELESS and CAN BE RANKED with forum profiles (or other 'spammy' link types).

        I'm sure you will chirp back saying "Ok, I'll let you go after 1k/mo keywords why I go after 10k/mo and we'll see who makes more money". Well, you know what, go right ahead. I can rank faster with 10 1k/searches and have MINIMAL risk, whereas your 10k/mo is a long process that has a slight risk to it (what if you get sandboxed, what if you can't beat the competition, what if it takes x5 as long than you expected).

        I don't really want to get into the discussion of quality vs quantity, but you have just said it yourself that forum profiles cannot be disregarded in some aspects of SEO. Insulting KKChoon for feeding on the newbies of the WF for his forum profiles contradicts with your statement above... because newbies don't know how to run a blog network, don't know what PageRank even is, don't know how to determine competition for 10k/mo searches, and so on. What they CAN do is properly build some 'spammy' forum profiles, in conjunction with a few articles and web2.0's, and make a nice income by ranking for the long tail keywords out there.
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          Originally Posted by swords View Post

          Thank you - I am now pleased. I do agree with you on many things, but disagree on many others. The point that seems to be disregarded in these on-going discussions is that long tail keywords are NOT USELESS and CAN BE RANKED with forum profiles (or other 'spammy' link types).
          A) You didn't read. I was not talking about forum profiles there. Those are not PR1. They are PR N/A when they are created so obviously that was not what was being referred to but someone else who mentioned 10,000 PR 1s . Try and keep up before thinking you are making a great point.
          B) Forum profiles are STILL garbage for any long tail with any amount of competition. xrummer blasts do very little these days
          C) your inability to read does not make me contradict my point

          , don't know what PageRank even is, don't know how to determine competition for 10k/mo searches, and so on. What they CAN do is properly build some 'spammy' forum profiles, in conjunction with a few articles and web2.0's, and make a nice income by ranking for the long tail keywords out there.
          Yeah thats working for the newbies who haven't even cracked $5 per day on adsense right? Look around the forums son. None of the people who are known for doing well on adsense are claiming to be masters of forum profiles. We have ton loads of software to spam the junk out of everything in sight and most Imers cannot make money which just TOTALLY destroys your point so yes you demonstrate my point better than I could

          KKchoon is misleading newbies like yourself. In addition its just appealing to laziness. Forget blog networks look what you just wrote.

          "don't know what PageRank even is, don't know how to determine competition for 10k/mo searches, and so on. What they CAN do is properly build some 'spammy' forum profiles, in conjunction with a few articles and web2.0's,"

          Heres a thought. Its not rocket science - how about people getting off their duff and learning what PR is and how to determine competition than just spamming sites to hope to make a little money which most never do.
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            A) You didn't read. I was not talking about forum profiles there. Those are not PR1. They are PR N/A when they are created so obviously that was not what was being referred to but someone else who mentioned 10,000 PR 1s . Try and keep up before thinking you are making a great point.
            B) Forum profiles are STILL garbage for any long tail with any amount of competition. xrummer blasts do very little these days
            C) your inability to read does not make me contradict my point

            Yeah thats working for the newbies who haven't even cracked $5 per day on adsense right? Look around the forums son. None of the people who are known for doing well on adsense are claiming to be masters of forum profiles. We have ton loads of software to spam the junk out of everything in sight and most Imers cannot make money which just TOTALLY destroys your point so yes you demonstrate my point better than I could

            KKchoon is misleading newbies like yourself. In addition its just appealing to laziness. Forget blog networks look what you just wrote.

            "don't know what PageRank even is, don't know how to determine competition for 10k/mo searches, and so on. What they CAN do is properly build some 'spammy' forum profiles, in conjunction with a few articles and web2.0's,"

            Heres a thought. Its not rocket science - how about people getting off their duff and learning what PR is and how to determine competition than just spamming sites to hope to make a little money which most never do.
            You are so incredibly self-centered to your ways and YOUR WAYS ONLY. Wow, forum profiles have no effect? Interesting, because last time I checked my rankings (... 3 minutes ago...) I'm still ranked for over 60k searches a month on the 1-5 spots - with FORUM PROFILES.

            Just because this method didn't work for you, does not mean you have to be jealous in the people who can make it work. Calling me a noob shows your immaturity to the situation and how much you DON'T know about a proper business.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by swords View Post

              You are so incredibly self-centered to your ways and YOUR WAYS ONLY. Wow, forum profiles have no effect? Interesting, because last time I checked my rankings (... 3 minutes ago...) I'm still ranked for over 60k searches a month on the 1-5 spots - with FORUM PROFILES.
              Yawn.....Weak stuff.....Been around too long to be taken in by forum claims. Too many people contact me by PM, seen people blow smoke and ain't ranking for spit that anyone else would want to rank for. Too bored to say more well except its not too surprising to see a forum profile seller making claims they work.

              Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post


              No one will rule the world, Google is the god of SE, not High PR network and not low PR network. Anyone who try to DESTROY GOOGLE is BS and a big hype ... what do you think?
              Me? I think anyone claiming nuclear for all their products is BS and doesn't have a shred to stand on besides hypocrisy objecting to Destroy Google with a question mark. I find all your denials total nonsense. You are still selling profile links and claiming not to (even your so called ranking service has at its core profile links). You did say that profile links if they stick are just as good as high PR blog links and on and on.

              Again, is a number game, everyone agrees but diverted the attention to debate. Who had the most link juice in total wins
              Wrong again. We do not all agree. I don't know where you learned SEO but there is more to Google's algo than one "link juice". Looking in the serps that your refuse to look at you can see over and over and over again that sites with links from authority sites get more trust. its not all about total link juice and there is no one thing that Google identifies as link juice. You make a whole lot of claims but have yet to back it up with even one serp to look at in Google.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Where? Show it in the serps. Who has 10k PR1s without developing higher PR naturally? What? theres a cap on PR now? Take even a second to think about it. This is not about ego this is about real world and facts. Only an idiot to SEO would build a network with 10,000 sites and not have higher than PR1s and 2s in the process.

        Google is sitting there with millions of serps. If these things are true we don't need long drawn out tests. WE CAN GO TO GOOGLE RIGHT NOW AND LOOK. I've said it often and no one will take it up that argues this - Where is the serp where a site with a ton of high quality High PR links are being beat out by just quantity going after the same anchor text? Long tail sure. Anything can happen there . really competitive stuff? Don't see it anywhere.

        I know two services that push this nonsense and they are both represented in this thread but anytime you ask them to show a single case in the serps they run away.
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        I understand the argument on both sides of the coin. High pr blogs generate a lot of juice. So do low pr blogs when bundled in sufficient quantity.
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        If link juice was powered by BS or EGO there would be more than enough juice coming from this thread to rank all our sites collectively for the next ten years.
        100% Correct :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Hossain
    This is not "Backlink Hydra" age anymore. Forum profile backlinks will hurt moneypage if we use plenty of them. I have noticed these backlinks actually make a webpage insane and webpages start rolling like a "roller coaster" in SERPs. So when I am talking about low quality backlinks I am not talking about "Forum Profile backlinks".

    I would use forum profile backlinks to my t1 and t2 backlinks for just link juice. Eh I purchased xrumer long ago and I dont want to stop using this expensive tool until I see there is no way to use this one. hmmmm I have a 20 years old Honda Cub and I use this one when I go to Grocery!
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    The moment a new "Blog Network" thread comes up, All the Mikes start running here n' there like headless chickens. LOL, Cool off people! Seriously!
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      Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

      The moment a new "Blog Network" thread comes up, All the Mikes start running here n' there like headless chickens. LOL, Cool off people! Seriously!
      and wherever the Mikes are you can count the seconds for the link spam defenders to show up with some inane remark
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I understand the argument on both sides of the coin. High pr blogs generate a lot of juice. So do low pr blogs when bundled in sufficient quantity.

    Low PR blogs get the job done. So use it as a base for your campaigns. Then start linking to your high pr blogs on top of it.

    If "A" works. If "B" also works. Why in the hell would anyone argue against either? Who cares if "A" or "B " is stronger. Does it really matter? They have both been proven to work.

    The obvious solution is be to combine the two together. Use the low pr blogs for bulk and the high pr ones as the protein.

    If link juice was powered by BS or EGO there would be more than enough juice coming from this thread to rank all our sites collectively for the next ten years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post


      The obvious solution is be to combine the two together. Use the low pr blogs for bulk and the high pr ones as the protein.
      actually shocking to both of us - agreed. These arguments usually break out when one party comes on saying that quantity trumps quality but that was not you in this thread. Now me I would start with the quality because once you have it its then easy to spread it abroad and help out your low pages. Every time I add up what people end up paying for services and software that can never pay them back beyond ranking and compare it to having a few domains with some Pr to work with it always works out long term better out of pocket.

      Has nothing to do with building networks or me teaching people how to build networks. Forget networks. Owning a couple high quality sites to link from opens up all kinds of link building opportunities.
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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

        Kok I trust you and I do believe Friedman, Anthony and Yukon everyone know the fact very well too.

        Sure 100 PR4 to PR6 backlinks can be easily beaten by 10K PR1 backlinks. But Friedman was quite correct too. He said if stack of crappy backlinks can do the trickery then some quality backlinks(low OBL, relevant, unique content and dofollow) can do it more easily.

        I see you all are just attacking each other for just ego problem! But its a settled issue and no need to debate.
        The original questions is - Does it justify to build your own network if you only have few sites? Again, I said that's a number game and they jumped in and call it "ridiculous", is that personal or what? Until I see a sincere apology, I have to defend myself.

        Like you said, it is an ego problem for them. I have no problem admit something that is true, like what Matt Laclear is saying Quantity overrule Quality, and he did it and I respect him.

        I do have certain level of respect for Mike Anthony, but certainly not Mike Friedman. I hope the personal attack part is ended, if both Mike still insists I am selling low quality links (even if I'm selling profile link, which I'm not), I will not back down until I expose all the truth.

        Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

        This is not "Backlink Hydra" age anymore. Forum profile backlinks will hurt moneypage if we use plenty of them. I have noticed these backlinks actually make a webpage insane and webpages start rolling like a "roller coaster" in SERPs. So when I am talking about low quality backlinks I am not talking about "Forum Profile backlinks".
        I don't think it will hurt and website. I have many sites ranked using profile links even post Panda, but I do agree they don't stick anymore, that's the part that cause the "roller coaster" effect.

        Again, there is no backlinks will hurt your money site, absolutely not. I have tested many times, the only way to hurt your site is on page stuff, not the backlink.

        For example, if you are running a backlink campaign for a keyword, and you start messing with your on page keyword and try to optimize it according to your backlink campaign, almost 99% of chances your site will run into trouble.

        Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

        I would use forum profile backlinks to my t1 and t2 backlinks for just link juice. Eh I purchased xrumer long ago and I dont want to stop using this expensive tool until I see there is no way to use this one. hmmmm I have a 20 years old Honda Cub and I use this one when I go to Grocery!
        You are very practical man.

        Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

        Ok As you are talking about PR1 backlinks then these are safe. But do you think 1k PR1 forum Profile blast will be safe?

        Add No. 4 for Dofollow backlinks. and No. 5 for Relevant page.

        1. Backlinks with 3 OBL or less----> Why only 3 OBL? I would not mind to use 10 OBL from a PR7 page. For me no. of OBL is relative. It will depend on PR and some other factors.
        You are right, but how many times you can find a PR7 blog? My quality guideline is for most situation, where we have most PR1 - PR5 sites!

        Even Mike Anthony used to agreed that I sell quality profile link software, not only profile links. I am sourcing replacement for my service, that's why I leave it as is until I find a good one.

        Same goes to my Nuclear Link Blaster, which I don't sell it anymore, if any inquiry, I will put them in my waiting list for the new software.

        Again, if I'm selling profile links, I won't make this statement:

        PROFILE LINK DOESN'T LAST ANYMORE, THEY USED TO STAY VERY LONG UNTIL XRUMER USERS DO LARGE SCALE SPAM, THAT ENDS EVERYTHING.

        So if anyone still consider I can sell those outdated service - go and continue attack me.
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          He has already acknowledge my previous comment about his outdated Live WSO content, yet you keep defending, like it's an oversight. Are you serious?
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          So being correct is immaterial & faulty?

          I'm done, this is just getting boring... :rolleyes:
          Hey Yukon, you go ahead and continue attack me for something that doesn't exists, I don't care, I'll let the warrior to judge for themselves.

          I see people like you filled with EGO but emptiness is so sad, you can learn few things and make friend here, but instead you want to make enemy, that's fine for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        actually shocking to both of us - agreed. These arguments usually break out when one party comes on saying that quantity trumps quality but that was not you in this thread. Now me I would start with the quality because once you have it its then easy to spread it abroad and help out your low pages. Every time I add up what people end up paying for services and software that can never pay them back beyond ranking and compare it to having a few domains with some Pr to work with it always works out long term better out of pocket.

        Has nothing to do with building networks or me teaching people how to build networks. Forget networks. Owning a couple high quality sites to link from opens up all kinds of link building opportunities.
        Mike, I have said this is a number game, and so is Matt, and now you agree with him and disagree with me?

        I think you take this personally, I'm sad I lost a friend because we have some disagreement.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

          Mike, I have said this is a number game, and so is Matt, and now you agree with him and disagree with me?

          I think you take this personally, I'm sad I lost a friend because we have some disagreement.
          KK what are you talking about? You quote me and didn't even read what I said. I don't know if its a language issue but there is nothing personal as you claim. MAtt did not say in this thread (he has said it other places) that quantity beats quality as you have been saying. He was saying both should be used. its not a numbers game. its not who has the highest amount of backlinks that wins. Garbage links will not rule the world if you have enough of them. Thats false.
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          • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            KK what are you talking about? You quote me and didn't even read what I said. I don't know if its a language issue but there is nothing personal as you claim. MAtt did not say in this thread (he has said it other places) that quantity beats quality as you have been saying. He was saying both should be used. its not a numbers game. its not who has the highest amount of backlinks that wins. Garbage links will not rule the world if you have enough of them. Thats false.
            Define garbage link. Matt said use both, and you agreed, I agreed, so why mention about Garbage links will not rule the world? Are you implying I said that or mean that? If this is not personal, what is it?

            No one will rule the world, Google is the god of SE, not High PR network and not low PR network. Anyone who try to DESTROY GOOGLE is BS and a big hype ... what do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I'm proud to say that I have started building my own personal blog network. I have 15 blogs aged from 3 months to 12 years. The PR ranges from PR0 to PR4. I have them all hosted on different IPs using 4 different hosting companies.

    I use Magic Submitter to post content to them, however, I only need a few articles posted on them since I want to keep the OBLs low. I have removed all footer/theme/software credits in the footer to help keep all unnecessary OBLs off the network.

    I using Magic Submitter (and outsource to fiverr.com) to build backlinks to each blog to make sure they stay healthy.

    Also, I should mention when I buy used domains, I stay away from .info and other low quality domains. I feel that Google will soon see that .infos are the majority being spammed, and discount them more than .coms. Also for resale value (if I ever decide to sale my network, .coms will hold more value).

    Jm2c

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    I'd also like to mention that kkchoon WSO guaranteed first page ranking may be worth a try. You only pay if he succeeds, and if he doesn't you get a crap load of free backlinks. It's only $67 bucks for crying out loud. That's one of the best deals on WF imo.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post


      I use Magic Submitter to post content to them, however, I only need a few articles posted on them since I want to keep the OBLs low. I have removed all footer/theme/software credits in the footer to help keep all unnecessary OBLs off the network.

      I using Magic Submitter (and outsource to fiverr.com) to build backlinks to each blog to make sure they stay healthy.
      MS is great for that because you can set up your blogs as their own service and then use the diagrammer to do whatever you want. Good choice.

      I'd also like to mention that kkchoon WSO guaranteed first page ranking may be worth a try. You only pay if he succeeds, and if he doesn't you get a crap load of free backlinks. It's only $67 bucks for crying out loud. That's one of the best deals on WF imo.
      Don't know what you are referring to here since the WSO I see clearly requires payment plus KK has his own theory on competition (in quote search results theory) that is and the price ratchets up significantly from $67. Wish you the best with hat but plenty people don't consider it a deal anymore to have a pile of forum links aimed at their money site.
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      I'm proud to say that I have started building my own personal blog network. I have 15 blogs aged from 3 months to 12 years. The PR ranges from PR0 to PR4. I have them all hosted on different IPs using 4 different hosting companies.

      I use Magic Submitter to post content to them, however, I only need a few articles posted on them since I want to keep the OBLs low. I have removed all footer/theme/software credits in the footer to help keep all unnecessary OBLs off the network.

      I using Magic Submitter (and outsource to fiverr.com) to build backlinks to each blog to make sure they stay healthy.

      Also, I should mention when I buy used domains, I stay away from .info and other low quality domains. I feel that Google will soon see that .infos are the majority being spammed, and discount them more than .coms. Also for resale value (if I ever decide to sale my network, .coms will hold more value).

      Jm2c

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      I'd also like to mention that kkchoon WSO guaranteed first page ranking may be worth a try. You only pay if he succeeds, and if he doesn't you get a crap load of free backlinks. It's only $67 bucks for crying out loud. That's one of the best deals on WF imo.
      Thanks for your kind words.

      Although I can't say for sure, but I think it is very hard for Google to ignore .info domains and slap them all, it will still be valuable for many years, I won't mind keeping them if the price is right.

      May I ask how many sites you have in the network and how much money and time you've spend to build it?

      About the IP diversity, do you put all domains on different IP or share it like a ratio of 5:1 or 10:1?
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      • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

        Thanks for your kind words.

        Although I can't say for sure, but I think it is very hard for Google to ignore .info domains and slap them all, it will still be valuable for many years, I won't mind keeping them if the price is right.

        May I ask how many sites you have in the network and how much money and time you've spend to build it?

        About the IP diversity, do you put all domains on different IP or share it like a ratio of 5:1 or 10:1?
        I'm sure .infos work fine right now, but just like everything in the past regarding SEO, it'll gets diluted with garbage and google will take action.

        The cheap prices of .infos allows many networks to mass produce junk for pennys. Again, I am sure it's fine right now, but I just want to be prepared *if* google slaps .infos.

        I have 15 blogs. All .coms and .nets. Ranging from 3 months to 12 years old. Page Rank from PR0 to PR4.

        No domain is on the same IP. Each domain has it's own unique IP address and I use whois privacy.

        I also avoid using adwords/adsense and webmaster tools. I don't have any google stuff embedded in any of the sites on my blog network.

        My network is small, but you gotta start someplace, right?
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

          I'm sure .infos work fine right now, but just like everything in the past regarding SEO, it'll gets diluted with garbage and google will take action.

          The cheap prices of .infos allows many networks to mass produce junk for pennys. Again, I am sure it's fine right now, but I just want to be prepared *if* google slaps .infos.

          I have 15 blogs. All .coms and .nets. Ranging from 3 months to 12 years old. Page Rank from PR0 to PR4.

          No domain is on the same IP. Each domain has it's own unique IP address and I use whois privacy.

          I also avoid using adwords/adsense and webmaster tools. I don't have any google stuff embedded in any of the sites on my blog network.

          My network is small, but you gotta start someplace, right?
          I really like the way you setup the network, cautious every step.

          Since I'm playing around and testing how Google works to the edge, I will try everything, but I do like your style of building a network.

          Can you PM me how much you've spend and what is your network size? This is great reference data for me in the new testing.

          Appreciate your feedback and sharing here...
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  • Profile picture of the author mickmccrory
    BMR is a good first choice, and in the meantime try to find other networks, or even build your own network.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

    I do have certain level of respect for Mike Anthony, but certainly not Mike Friedman. I hope the personal attack part is ended
    Not really worried about having your respect. I'm sure I will manage to somehow get by without it. I never made a personal attack. I jumped in when you said this...

    Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

    I vote for Article Marketing Automation, they helped me ranked for many competitive keywords that most high PR sites can't rank.
    Which seemed to imply that you were saying that high PR sites do not have the same ranking power of low PR sites or sites with no PR at all. I'm sure almost everyone on here would find that statement silly, just as I did. Now if that was not what you meant by your statement, then I apologize for misunderstanding whatever point you were trying to make. If that is what you meant though, then yeah, I do think that is ridiculous. Which is what I said.

    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

    That is ridiculous. If a bunch of crappy links can do it, then high PR sites can too.
    And as for the accusation of selling low quality or crappy links... Call them whatever you want. To me, forum profile links are the lowest form of links you can find. And although you have denied it, it has been pointed out by Yukon and Mike Anthony that you are still maintaining active sales pages for those types of links.

    I personally feel they are awful links. If you feel otherwise, that is fine. That is your opinion. It is not a personal attack though for me to point out that I feel those kinds of links are garbage. It is simply my view of those links.

    And like I said before...

    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

    I know you sell low quality links, so this discussion is going to go nowhere fast because you have a personal bias in the whole quality versus quantity argument.
    And I was right.

    If others want to debate the value of low or no PR versus high PR backlinks, that is fine. However, when you give your opinion of the difference between them it is coming from a biased position. Your wallet is directly affected by it. If people believe that these types of links are useless, you lose potential customers. I am not selling any particular type of link packages here or elsewhere. I have no dog in the fight. I could care less what people believe, and to be honest, I would prefer that people believe neither one of us. I would rather see IM'ers test things out for themselves and come to their own conclusions about what works well and what does not work well.

    Instead, far too often, people are just looking for a quick and easy path to success.
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Which seemed to imply that you were saying that high PR sites do not have the same ranking power of low PR sites or sites with no PR at all. I'm sure almost everyone on here would find that statement silly, just as I did. Now if that was not what you meant by your statement, then I apologize for misunderstanding whatever point you were trying to make. If that is what you meant though, then yeah, I do think that is ridiculous. Which is what I said.
      Never said that low PR link had the same or even higher power than high PR link, read the rest of my post.

      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      And as for the accusation of selling low quality or crappy links... Call them whatever you want. To me, forum profile links are the lowest form of links you can find. And although you have denied it, it has been pointed out by Yukon and Mike Anthony that you are still maintaining active sales pages for those types of links.
      Are you sure? How many profile links you have been creating? If you never use it before, how do you know?

      If you did use it, did you try my method: Is Profile Link Still Working?

      I have many page 1 ranking using profile link in the pass, and I still think they are capable of doing so, but like I said, they don't last for long now.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    We should come to a final resolution on this and move on to something much more worthy of our time.

    Why don't we end the debate and instead create one massive collaboration for an SEO service wso offering? We all throw our own brand of link juice into it and we all take a cut of sales.

    Can you imagine the link juice we would generate if we did that?

    This debate is boring and played out to the max.

    OP...I appreciate the kudos. But why start a new thread on the topic when we have been over this a million times already?

    You pimping links? Or do you get warm fuzzies from digging up bones?
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    • Profile picture of the author mikenin
      After having read most of this thread (and one or two others) I can't help but see that kkchoon and Mike Anthony need to put this debate to rest. Here is what I get from it all:

      both kkchoon and Mike Anthony believe in private blog networks for backlinks and therefore ranking in the SERPs.

      The difference is that kkchoon believes that many lower PR links from a network will outrank fewer higher PR links from a network. Mike Anthony believes the opposite.

      Fair enough, difference of opinion.

      Next, kkchoon does not believe building your own network is always the best idea for everyone, whereas Mike Anthony thinks building your own network makes the most sense financially, and long term.

      Again, simple difference of opinion.

      I think both kkchoon, and Mike Anthony agree that profile links hold little to no value. Only problem here is that kkchoon seems to be selling these links somewhere, which bothers Mike Anthony because it can be misleading, and hurtful to newbs in the business. Apparently kkchoon doesn't seem to be actively promoting this package, and claims to have no current customers for it. This seems pretty harmless to me, but maybe kkchoon should consider removing the offers altogether.

      So, can't we all agree that both low PR blog networks, and high PR blog networks are useful? It may be that building your own network is indeed a very wise choice for cost effectiveness, and future use, but I'm sure there are times when simply buying, or renting links on a network makes sense.

      Anyway, this is what I get from a long thread (or two), so if anyone has any other angles on it, feel free to say something, otherwise, I hope there will be fewer of this type of thread for a while (although I do find them captivating!).
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      We should come to a final resolution on this and move on to something much more worthy of our time.

      Why don't we end the debate and instead create one massive collaboration for an SEO service wso offering? We all throw our own brand of link juice into it and we all take a cut of sales.

      Can you imagine the link juice we would generate if we did that?

      This debate is boring and played out to the max.

      OP...I appreciate the kudos. But why start a new thread on the topic when we have been over this a million times already?

      You pimping links? Or do you get warm fuzzies from digging up bones?
      If you're serious, hit me up. I could probably throw about 200+ high PR domains your way for it.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

        If you're serious, hit me up. I could probably throw about 200+ high PR domains your way for it.
        And if you are serious I could throw some interesting wrinkles on how people can leverage the PR because from this thread I can see people have no clue on that. plus I got a ton of guys that might be willing to form an even bigger consortium of domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Not selling profile links anymore, that page still rank strong for some keywords in link building, I don't want to waste the ranking, will replace that when I find the alternative link building service to provide.

    Again, is a number game, everyone agrees but diverted the attention to debate. Who had the most link juice in total wins, and AMA is one powerful network in general which almost allows me to dominate any kind of high competition keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Sweeney
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      Not selling profile links anymore, that page still rank strong for some keywords in link building, I don't want to waste the ranking, will replace that when I find the alternative link building service to provide.[/B]
      Just curious...I could be wrong, but if that page is still ranking well like you say, I'd be willing to bet it's still converting some of the visitors into customers. When they submit the order form, do you just send them a refund and explain that your not selling the links anymore?
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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by Chris Sweeney View Post

        Just curious...I could be wrong, but if that page is still ranking well like you say, I'd be willing to bet it's still converting some of the visitors into customers. When they submit the order form, do you just send them a refund and explain that your not selling the links anymore?
        TO be frank, profile link doesn't convert at all. While Mike still insists I sell them, the idea Just doesnt sell themselves. No order for months.

        I have better thing to do then trying to sell something that don't sell itself. If anyone did order, I will direct them to my guarantee ranking service or send the refund.
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        • Profile picture of the author Hossain
          You are still reading this thread??!!

          I see some self contradictory argument from Mike Anthony!

          To Anthony, Yukon and all who are claiming Kok is selling low quality links.. Everybody has enough freedom to do their won business according to their won style. If Kok is selling garbage backlinks then let him do. Buyers will judge and rate his services. You dont need to prove anything.

          I always use high quality backlinks as early as possible. But along with high quality backlinks I use blog posts, social networking, video, wikis etc. with unique contents as I cant manage high quality backlinks everyday during 1-6 months for moneypages. For me both high quality and low quality backlinks are working together and working over the years. As I build backlinks to those low quality backlinks so those blog posts, videos etc. will become quality backlinks soon.

          So I dont feel I have to use only high quality backlinks to rank well. Also I dont feel my Senuke will rank my page high If I schedule it to build low quality backlinks during next 3 months. Its neither 100% number game nor 100% quality game. I like to drink cocktail and so Google.. Because it looks natural.



          Yukon is quite right. This thread is now boring(too much) and should be stopped!
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Hossain View Post


            To Anthony, Yukon and all who are claiming Kok is selling low quality links.. Everybody has enough freedom to do their won business according to their won style. If Kok is selling garbage backlinks then let him do. Buyers will judge and rate his services. You dont need to prove anything.
            So wheres my contradiction? Your bias is showing a mile away (Senuke users do usually get upset at my views given what senuke provides by way of links)). No one at any time said someone could not sell anything they wanted. People voiced their opinions and then a claim was made thats a bare faced lie. Your side has claimed over and over again that because I teach how to build a network I am biased while KK to this very moment sells profile links in two different places AND in his sig where he proposes them for a ranking service. Thats why the issue was raised. This denial is like a Twilight zone episode. Says a lot about how low quality and link spam proponents think.

            So your logic is contradictory - in more that that way as well. If the thread is boring and should be stopped why put another post making false charges and challenges?
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            • Profile picture of the author Hossain
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              So wheres my contradiction?
              You are pushing thanks button to Matt's first reply. On the other hand you are against low quality backlinks when KK claimed low quality backlinks can outrank high quality backlinks when bundled in sufficient quantity! When KK said low quality backlinks he actually meant PR1 or low PR backlinks. Didnt you beat 5 PR4 backlinks by 50 PR1 backlink ever!!!


              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Your bias is showing a mile away (Senuke users do usually get upset at my views given what senuke provides by way of links)).
              I just made an example. I think you didnt understand what I meant.


              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              No one at any time said someone could not sell anything they wanted.
              I too didnt say you said "kkc could not sell anything he wanted"! I meant if KK is not doing the right thing then we can say it but we cant attack him in this manner.


              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              So your logic is contradictory - in more that that way as well. If the thread is boring and should be stopped why put another post making false charges and challenges?
              Very sad! Again you didnt understand what I meant!
              You dont won this forum. Right?
              How I made "false charges and challenges"? :rolleyes:


              Anthony you have got fantastic level of energy.. lolzz.



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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

                You are pushing thanks button to Matt's first reply. On the other hand you are against low quality backlinks when KK claimed low quality backlinks can outrank high quality backlinks when bundled in sufficient quantity!
                Sigh. Its hard on these forums because you don't know the age of the people responding and you don't know if they just can;t comprehend things because they are kids . I thanked Marc and EXPLICITLY responded to his post saying why - HE did not IN THIS THREAD say that quantity beats quality. KK did say that.

                So theres no contradiction. You just can't read.


                I too didnt say you said "kkc could not sell anything he wanted"! I meant if KK is not doing the right thing then we can say it but we cant attack him in this manner.
                KK is not being attacked on personal issues no matter how you claim he is. he is being challenged for making blatantly false statement hiding what he is engaged with. He still sells profile links and he does so even within his placement service. Its right there in the ad that he admits to selling.

                "How we are going to rank your website? We will build backlinks for your website using :
                1. High Quality Profile Links
                2. High Qaulity Blog Network
                3. And Other Whitehat Methods If Necessary"
                lol. This denial is definitely like the twilight zone
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    Personally, i think if you don't care about quality, the cheapest way is to find a fiverr gig to blast out spun articles to their private blog networks. I've done that in the past with success.
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  • Profile picture of the author EricBaglio
    I never thought my simple question would start such a wild tangential debate. I think I'm starting out with bmr and will probably try out a warrior forum service after that and see where it takes me.

    Thanks everyone for the input!
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      Originally Posted by EricBaglio View Post

      I never thought my simple question would start such a wild tangential debate. I think I'm starting out with bmr and will probably try out a warrior forum service after that and see where it takes me.

      Thanks everyone for the input!
      ROFLMAO!
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    I never thought my simple question would start such a wild tangential debate
    LOL, you gotta love this forum. Pure 100% entertainment!
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    Unfortunately these networks have to be private to prevent their techniques being mad mainstream, because they could easily be penalised by a search engine algorithm if their techniques are known
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    And exhale! Good debate guys, I've only ever used BMR and it's always delivered, anyone know of other similiar high quality blog networks that are similarly priced?
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    PR2 can be better than a PR4. Depends on the OBLs.

    That's why I like having my own private blog network is because I can control the OBLs. If you pay for the spam networks, the OBLs are ridiculous.

    Here's a good guide - Source
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      PR2 can be better than a PR4. Depends on the OBLs.

      That's why I like having my own private blog network is because I can control the OBLs. If you pay for the spam networks, the OBLs are ridiculous.

      Here's a good guide - Source
      Nice chart, but it doesn't show the trustrank factor here...

      Some website only rank well when they received high PR links because they don't have enough trustrank, but when they do...

      All PR links are equal, no one is better than another, it is the number of links that add up to a level that overrank the other, so if we received enough link juice, we can outrank any other keywords on top position.

      Of course unless Google implemented more new filters, (like trustrank kind of thing) then we have to beat those before we can rank for those keywords.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

        All PR links are equal, no one is better than another,
        Could you please clarify this one?

        What I'm reading is that you are saying a backlink from a PR 2 page is the same as a backlink from a PR 4 page or that a backlink from a PR 3 page with 7 outgoing backlinks is the same as a backlink from a PR 3 page with 700 outgoing backlinks.

        Is that what you mean?
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Could you please clarify this one?

          What I'm reading is that you are saying a backlink from a PR 2 page is the same as a backlink from a PR 4 page or that a backlink from a PR 3 page with 7 outgoing backlinks is the same as a backlink from a PR 3 page with 700 outgoing backlinks.

          Is that what you mean?
          All PR links is equally important, not to say only high PR is important, they all helped in the SEO competition, nothing to do with OBL.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

            All PR links is equally important, not to say only high PR is important, they all helped in the SEO competition, nothing to do with OBL.

            "nothing to do with OBL" .

            Mike Anthony drops to one knee makes the sign of the cross and mutters a short prayer

            "OH good lord. Please help KK for the new year. Help him to learn SEO. Protect all the newbies who may be deceived and fall into this deep cloud of darkness."

            Amen
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            • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              "nothing to do with OBL" .

              Mike Anthony drops to one knee makes the sign of the cross and mutters a short prayer

              "OH good lord. Please help KK for the new year. Help him to learn SEO. Protect all the newbies who may be deceived and fall into this deep cloud of darkness."

              Amen
              Still avoiding the challenge? Why you so scared of thousands of profile links and newbie who don't know SEO?
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

                Still avoiding the challenge? Why you so scared of thousands of profile links and newbie who don't know SEO?
                KK what are you going on about now? I modified the challenge in the other thread where you made it and YOU accepted the modification by saying you would go after the term backlinks as indicated . When you do as you said you will do and rank top three for backlinks call me.

                However your claim that outbound links has nothing to do with it is complete silliness. OBL has everything to do with how much PR juice is passed on to a site. I don't know what you learned over backlinks forum before they closed down and you ran back here but it was not SEO. Everyone knows that 200 links on a page weakens it over say 15 on a page. That should be the very first thing you learned about pagerank. It has everything to do with OBL.
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            Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

            All PR links is equally important, not to say only high PR is important, they all helped in the SEO competition, nothing to do with OBL.
            I get that you want high and low PR links, but you also keep saying PR has nothing to do with OBL. ??? Please explain.
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    Merry Christmas Mike!
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      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

      Merry Christmas Mike!

      Hey to you and yours too man! Debates on WF stay on WF. Tell Matt Mike wishes him and the family a merry Christmas too. He'll get a hoot out of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author lewistrio2
    I'm coming out of my foxhole to ask a newbee question.

    Where do you start in building your own private blog network with high PR? Is there a service I can purchase, because my main keyword "franchise" and my target prospect someone with a 200K net worth minimum, 100K liquid doesn't fall into the IM niches I read and see on this forum?
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by lewistrio2 View Post

      I'm coming out of my foxhole to ask a newbee question.

      Where do you start in building your own private blog network with high PR? Is there a service I can purchase, because my main keyword "franchise" and my target prospect someone with a 200K net worth minimum, 100K liquid doesn't fall into the IM niches I read and see on this forum?
      Despite disagreement with Mike Anthony, he does have a course about this. You may start with learning how to purchase expired domain, how to setup blogs and transfer those expired domains to your new hosting.

      Plus, you need SEO Hosting as well...

      Easier way to start your backlink campaign is to join an Established Blog Network Service like AMA or BMR.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cash37
        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

        Despite disagreement with Mike Anthony, he does have a course about this. You may start with learning how to purchase expired domain, how to setup blogs and transfer those expired domains to your new hosting.

        Plus, you need SEO Hosting as well...

        Easier way to start your backlink campaign is to join an Established Blog Network Service like AMA or BMR.
        How?

        From what I see, its $35 a month ($420) a year for 5 unique IPs, and Im guessing you can setup 3 blogs per IP. That would be $150 a year for the domains, and $570 a year.

        Most private networks like ALN, UAW, START at $67 a month, $807/yr if my math is correct.

        Advantage: Your own Private network.

        Now take in effect that you would have 15 of your own private blogs you can sell blogroll links on. Let's say they are all PR 3 or PR 4, not hard to obtain, you sell 10 links on each site at $100 a year. We've made $15,000 minus our $570 for a profit of $14,430 and we haven't even sold sponsored blog posts, private posts, or made any money from Adsense yet.

        Advantage: Your own Private network.

        Please let me know if I am wrong but everything points towards starting a private network sooner rather than later.
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

          How?

          From what I see, its $35 a month ($420) a year for 5 unique IPs, and Im guessing you can setup 3 blogs per IP. That would be $150 a year for the domains, and $570 a year.

          Most private networks like ALN, UAW, START at $67 a month, $807/yr if my math is correct.
          Do you agree that all these network would have at least over 500 IPs and 4000 domains?

          If you agree, there you go.

          If you disagree, name a number, I believe any number you name will still be 10X more than what you have setup.

          Any private blog should have certain number and rank power to be useful, which at least should be able to rank keyword within 100K competition (quote search).

          Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

          Advantage: Your own Private network.

          Now take in effect that you would have 15 of your own private blogs you can sell blogroll links on. Let's say they are all PR 3 or PR 4, not hard to obtain, you sell 10 links on each site at $100 a year. We've made $15,000 minus our $570 for a profit of $14,430 and we haven't even sold sponsored blog posts, private posts, or made any money from Adsense yet.


          Show me the proof.

          Blog roll is almost useless, at least I never use it to actually rank any keyword, don't mention about selling it for $100 a year, I can buy my own domain. BTW, if you are running a backlink service, I would encourage you build your own network.

          Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post

          Advantage: Your own Private network.

          Please let me know if I am wrong but everything points towards starting a private network sooner rather than later.
          If I have 300 money sites, most probably I will join a network, save the trouble of management work. However, if I have 1000 money sites, then yes, I would be building my own network, it doesn't justify to pay for those service any more.

          However, I won't start with 100 sites. I think for a decent ranking power, I will get at least 500 PR2 to PR5 expired domains, can you tell me how much that would cost?

          500 unique Class C IP : 500 X 3 = $1500 / month (I don't believe any service that charge $1 for 1 IP)
          500 PR2 to PR5 domains : How much do you think? 10K? 30K?

          Sure you can do it the cheaper way, I mean much cheaper way, but the technical problem would eventually kill all your time. I don't know if building a private network is for average IMers? but certainly not for me if I don't have enough money sites to sustain it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

            Do you agree that all these network would have at least over 500 IPs and 4000 domains?

            If you agree, there you go.

            If you disagree, name a number, I believe any number you name will still be 10X more than what you have setup.
            KK I just skip over a lot of your posts now because basically every third post you embarass yourself and make it obvious (and apparently not just to me) that you have no clue about anything related to SEO beyond blasting profile links. Yes the big networks have many domains but thats where truly understanding OBL just jumps up, bites your argument, swallows it and burps loudly.

            These same services have THOUSANDS OF LINKS BEING PLACED on them every week. The ones you love with no limits? Thousands per day. Pagerank IS divided up by links. I don't care what you claim about any tests that show opposite. Present the data. Some quote from some guy who claimed this or that and showed no data matters nothing. Countless people who have put their links on a page with a thousand other links and seen little movement refutes you, Terry or anyone else you want to quote. So try dividing the size of the network by the amount of links being dropped.

            Furthermore your garbage is exposed by the fact that almost all of the links you put up on these blog networks roll of high PR pages in NO TIME. some within HOURS. My private network links stay for YEARS until I change them out if I want to. NO contest. You run SEO spyglass on any site I am trying to rank and you will not see high PR links in SEO spyglass with the famous "link missing " in that special column. Mine sit right there being counted by google every crawl while yours is on page 5 for the day on an N/A page.

            and yet for all these claims you can't show in a single competitive serp where any of your SEO principles are demonstrated. always crickets when that question is asked.

            which at least should be able to rank keyword within 100K competition (quote search).

            When are you going to get that your made up quote search factor for competition is not going to be bought by any one in this thread that knows SEO. Here heres me competing for "Honda civic" when Google crawls this page :rolleyes:. I'm really competing now aren't I?



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            Blog roll is almost useless, at least I never use it to actually rank any keyword, don't mention about selling it for $100 a year, I can buy my own domain.
            Who cares about you ? People do buy them.Are you THAT ignorant of what goes on in the SEO industry? Sorry but sold links can pay for your network thats the point he was making. Like it or not he nailed you. Of all the strategies having your own network is the ONLY one that can pay you back profit above and beyond ranking your own sites. Deal with it.


            500 unique Class C IP : 500 X 3 = $1500 / month (I don't believe any service that charge $1 for 1 IP)
            first off -

            GET.......A..........CLUE. Quite often Skynet has deals for $1 per CLASS C IP. Their standard price right now is only $1.89 each for 100. Plus on your lower Pr sites you can often get away with two per Ip bringing the cost even below that

            Multiple C-Class IP SEO Hosting

            second,

            who needs 500? You keep trying to slip in that nonsense and its been refuted MULTIPLE TIMES. ton load of sites in competitive serps are ranking on Google right now with less than a hundred high Pr sites. Some 50, 40 Some WAAAY under. Again you just don't understand OBL and pages rolling off on the networks you claim people must copy for their own networks.

            Basically you have to hold on to this superiority of bigger networks with thousands of links on them because thats all you have and your SEO is dependent on other third parties. You have no good sources of your own so you have to claim they are better.

            Do the people in this forum a favor. actually build a network and use it before you claim to know things about them that you most definitely do not.
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          Originally Posted by Cash37 View Post


          Advantage: Your own Private network.

          Please let me know if I am wrong but everything points towards starting a private network sooner rather than later.

          You are not wrong. the guy you are asking has not built a network and has no clue.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Hey Mike Anthony,

    Why won't you just leave it alone? The easiest way to proof yourself is not by a bunch of theories, get into action and I salute you.

    1. If I'm selling bunch of low PR profile links, how can I guaranteed my customer's ranking? I can use profile links as a mix of links, or anything else as you've quoted in my sales page, why still argue about something that I'm not doing?

    2. If you really are that good, build a network that can outrank my challenge, or go buy one from Mike Grant, he is selling it - Like you said, these are not that expensive to build.

    3. If the powerful high PR private network is expansive to build, why bother argue with me when I said it is not that cost effective to build one when you can't fully leverage it? I would use the established blog network service instead.

    If you are so protective with your network until you need me to put 10K into escrow to start the challenge, you just proved my point #3.

    If you keep debating this and avoid my challenge, I'll let the Warriors to judge this, I don't have a conclusion for you...

    BTW, wish You and the Warriors a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.

    Kok Choon
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    Merry Christmas backlinkers! Take time out to enjoy the day!
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Let's settle this issue once and for all with an arm wrestling competition. Winner of the tourney gets to have the last word on this topic. Agreed?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Let's settle this issue once and for all with an arm wrestling competition. Winner of the tourney gets to have the last word on this topic. Agreed?
      Only if this song is playing in the background during the entire tournament...

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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Only if this song is playing in the background during the entire tournament...
        What the.......? Oh good night. I lose. I'd be barfing the whole time that song would be playing.
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          What the.......? Oh good night. I lose. I'd be barfing the whole time that song would be playing.
          Come on. Over the Top is the ultimate arm wrestling movie... Of course, it is also probably the ONLY arm wrestling movie, but that is beside the point.

          And doesn't everybody play this song to start their morning? I know I am not the only one.

          Meet me halfway.... Across the sky....

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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            And doesn't everybody play this song to start their morning? I know I am not the only one.

            Meet me halfway.... Across the sky....

            Thats it. I have had it with you. You are out of the secret Mike SEO club. You and your pink handbag/man bag. That music is like a song from a bad romance movie on Lifetime. My congratulations to Mrs Friedman she has you completely whipped.
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Only if this song is playing in the background during the entire tournament...

        YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
        You got it Mike! We can all wheel around in semi together while we're at it. Though we would all probably starve to death when it came time to pick what restaurant we were going to eat at. So maybe we all better drive separate to the tourney.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

          You got it Mike! We can all wheel around in semi together while we're at it.
          The two guys with Kung Fu in their custom user titles secretly love chick flick like Music. Perhaps a classic example of user title over compensation?
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            The two guys with Kung Fu in their custom user titles secretly love chick flick like Music. Perhaps a classic example of user title over compensation?



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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            The two guys with Kung Fu in their custom user titles secretly love chick flick like Music. Perhaps a classic example of user title over compensation?
            Was just cranking out some Avenged Sevenfold on Pandora. Does that count as chick music too?

            It seems to drive the ladies away with their hands covering their ears whenever I'm jamming it.
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            • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              KK what are you going on about now? I modified the challenge in the other thread where you made it and YOU accepted the modification by saying you would go after the term backlinks as indicated . When you do as you said you will do and rank top three for backlinks call me.
              You call this a fair challenge or a challenge at all? Run Mike, Run!

              Originally Posted by Bryan V View Post

              I get that you want high and low PR links, but you also keep saying PR has nothing to do with OBL. ??? Please explain.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              However your claim that outbound links has nothing to do with it is complete silliness. OBL has everything to do with how much PR juice is passed on to a site. I don't know what you learned over backlinks forum before they closed down and you ran back here but it was not SEO. Everyone knows that 200 links on a page weakens it over say 15 on a page. That should be the very first thing you learned about pagerank. It has everything to do with OBL.
              Never said anything about OBL, read original Mike Friedman message:

              http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post5298486

              You guys always assume I said something which I never said, I'm responding to Mike that assuming the OBL thing, which I told him - All PR is Equally Important.

              When I said nothing to do with OBL, what I means - I never said anything about OBL in the previous post, which both Mike assume I did, so I said nothing to do with OBL.

              Go ahead, assume all you want, I am not sure if the OBL actually had anything to do with the link juice pass over, but in Terry Kyle experiment, link juice tend to lose a bit, but not like what you would expect - divided equally.

              For example, a PR7 page with 10 OBL will be stronger than a PR6 with 1 OBL, because when we think that PR7 link juice is divided by 10 OBL, the fact may be - it only loses 10%.

              I'm not sure about this conclusion, but Terry did some experiment and that's the similar outcome. So if you want to debate, go ahead, I don't have the answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I bought a private blog network blast on fiverr.com last week, submitting to like 5,000 private blogs on different IPs.

    I'm already seeing a ton of backlinks using spyglass. for $5 bucks, that's a good deal. I think Matt is charging like $50 for the same service.

    I wouldn't discourage anyone using them if they are cheap.
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    Can't anyone just take kkchoon's challenge and make this thread a learning experience for everyone?
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      Originally Posted by kirakirafuwafuwa View Post

      Can't anyone just take kkchoon's challenge and make this thread a learning experience for everyone?
      A) its KK that has yet to meet the challenge. We have an agreement between us for him to rank top three for "backlinks".

      B) if you are referring to the challenge to put a private network against profile links - dream on. Its a nonsense challenge and he knows it.

      Why? PRofile links are just spamming other sites where he has no money invested. I would LOVE to do a case study on here putting a SEO network against profile links, SenukeX other networks etc. It would be the easiest case study ever - just one problem.

      I and others with private networks DO have money invested. Every single domain we use in the case study would be exposed for deindexing. Deindexing is when Google discovers domains and removes them permanently from their database. The domain becomes absolutely useless and the money and time to set up goes down the drain. Why would anyone do that just to settle an issue on a forum? Why would someone insist on a challenge that only one side will lose money on?

      Furthermore Mods here for the same good reason routinely delete threads that expose networks.

      On top of it all it wouldn't be a learning experience for everybody. As you can see in this thread most people already know what KK is pushing is garbage.
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    Mike is right on the money with this. When you set up your own blog network the last thing you want to do is expose your links to the world just to demonstrate your juice was stronger than xrumer links. There would be no upside to it whatsoever.
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Mike is right on the money with this. When you set up your own blog network the last thing you want to do is expose your links to the world just to demonstrate your juice was stronger than xrumer links. There would be no upside to it whatsoever.
      Hey Matt, Mike makes everyone to believe I'm using XRumer blast, and again - I'm using establish blog network services, which is cheaper to join and much cost effective in most cases, won't you agree?

      Mike loves to debate with people about building own private network had the similar if not better link juice, I would say otherwise, so he keep attacking me and accusing me doing Profile link blast.

      To be frank, I don't know how many profile link sites still available out there, if you ask any XRumer guy to join the competition, I doubt he can make it on page 3 of "backlink" !

      Bottom line, if I don't have a lot of sites to rank, I will save the time and money just to join a network or services.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

        Hey Matt, Mike makes everyone to believe I'm using XRumer blast, and again - I'm using establish blog network services, which is cheaper to join and much cost effective in most cases, won't you agree?
        I agree. Building a network isn't worthwhile if you only have a few sites.
        Mike loves to debate with people about building own private network had the similar if not better link juice, I would say otherwise, so he keep attacking me and accusing me doing Profile link blast.
        haha, yeah he does.
        To be frank, I don't know how many profile link sites still available out there, if you ask any XRumer guy to join the competition, I doubt he can make it on page 3 of "backlink" !
        It's a silly challenge. Nobody is saying you can rank for a super competitive serp using profile links. You aren't saying it either so I don't know what the "challenge" is supposed to prove. Mike used to do profile links back in the day so he should allow for people to change as he has. Even now profiles have their place, but that isn't saying they are a major factor. I doubt Mike could rank top 3 for "backlinks" either.
        Bottom line, if I don't have a lot of sites to rank, I will save the time and money just to join a network or services.
        Agreed.

        Another thing to consider is the time it takes to build and maintain a network. If you don't have the time then outsource/use other networks. Is a fully setup private network that only you can use better? Of course. If you have 5 sites it just doesn't make sense.
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            First I'd like to note that you need to get it through your thick skull that my comments have nothing to do with how I make my money. I'm not sure why you have to continuously bring my business into the conversation. Notice I took my sig off? Yours is still up selling your crap course. hmmm

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Too silly. Kid's stuff actually.

            First some elementary business sense tips. I don't know where you two learned business if at all but you never determine whats worthwhile in business based on any set number but on how much profit you stand to make. there are people with two sites pulling down tens of thousands per month.
            Oh I can't wait to hear the great wisdom that is about to fall from the heavens.
            trying to determine whats worthwhile without reference to what ranking in a particular serp can make you is amateur business hour.
            YES! and the point that you can't let seep into your brain is that you can do so without building a network. It becomes economically preferred if you only have a few sites. You don't NEED a network to rank for competitive keywords. Once you start building more sites then it becomes worth it (in my opinion!). If you have another OPINION then congratulations.

            I'm talking about normal sites here genius. Normal "average IMer" sites. If you have huge sites with really competitive keywords then a network becomes more useful.

            This is a technique you employ constantly, assume what makes your "opponent" look the worst. Then get diarrhea of the mouth and attack, attack, attack on that assumption. You assume 5 sites the size of facebook to make your argument look the best. When in fact I was talking about much smaller sites that most of the IMers here at WF have. You know, the ones we are talking to?

            OF COURSE if you have larger sites that need more juice then building a network makes much more sense. However, if you have 5 review sites with 20 pages each then it makes much less sense.
            Depends on conversion and what that conversion pays you. Some simplistic garbage about number of sites means nothing except that you do not understand business outside of running WSOs.
            How the hell do you know about my business? You have no idea (which is a staple of your stupid remarks) about my business and what I do and do not understand. As if all I do is run wso's, and you would know this HOW? Tell us Mike.
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                My goodness Marc. Learn to read. that was a reference to your direct business advice in this thread not to knowing what you do or don't do. Who cares? Me the least - its Your post that demonstrates a lack of business insight. Thats the point.
                I read your post and I understood it perfectly. The people considering building a network is who we are talking to. Most of those people don't have a site (much less 5 of them) with keywords that would make them 10k a site. My "direct business advice" wasn't a fully laid out business plan and this is exactly how you mis-characterized it. It was a generalization and I explained in my last post.
                Has nothing to do with how many sites you have. It has to do with the serp you are in, how much it makes for you and your competition.
                Which I addressed and you ignore for your "arguments" benefit. It also allows you to keep telling us that I'm stupid and can't read.
                If your competition has low OBl and High Pr pages that stick then you will Need to match those links and beat them REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY SITES YOU HAVE. :rolleyes: Why is such elementary comprehension beyond you?
                You can buy links like this. You don't 100% need a network to get these links. Would a network of PR sites make it easier? Yes! It depends on how many you need whether building the network makes sense.
                Has nothing to do with the size of your site - has to do with your competition and what they are using.
                has nothing to do with how many sites you have again its your competition and what you make.

                Pure silliness. The only people that are making money do not have to have big sites. They can be five pages and in a niche where they make good cash from whatever they convert. Stop spouting total ignorance.
                You can't grasp nuance. LOL

                This is more evidence that you grab onto the most ridiculous interpretation of what your "opponents" say and grind on it like its real. I'm not making the simplistic binary suggestions like you say I am.

                I was giving a generalization about your need for a network. I used 5 sites as a guideline. Only a moron would assume that this was a cut and dry cut off point for when to build a network. If you need more juice for your keywords then a network makes more and more sense. If you have a couple sites making 10k then you probably already have a network. If you have a few review sites in moderately competitive serps then you probably don't need one. As you expand then it becomes more and more viable.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                  You can buy links like this. You don't 100% need a network to get these links. Would a network of PR sites make it easier? Yes! It depends on how many you need whether building the network makes sense.
                  .....Thanks Marc - You just PROVED my point . Go buy each individual PR link rather than buying domains. (we seriously need a animated laughing smilie)

                  Like I said neither you nor KK have ANY concept whatsoever of link building at a professional level.

                  umm one question - can you get more free links when you buy links like you can when you own high PR domains? ROFL. This has nothing to do with making 10k. Fact is most people can get a slew of high PR links back to their site for the same they pay for a month or two of services. Easy Peazy.

                  Thats the only thing I need to respond to out of your last two pointless posts. oh except to day that anyone can see the true level of being unbiased when you just told people they should buy individual high PR links rather than buy their own domains. Too funny. Like I said you have a vested interest in people not getting their own resources and locked into paying for ongoing services. It taints the way you think.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    .....Thanks Marc - You just PROVED my point . Go buy each individual PR link rather than buying domains. (we seriously need a animated laughing smilie)
                    Goodness Mike. You are hopeless and an (fill in the blank). If you need more then buying aged domains makes more sense! Can you get that?
                    Like I said neither you nor KK have ANY concept whatsoever of link building at a professional level.
                    I'm making suggestions to average IMers with average competition for their keywords. Not recommending anything on a "professional" level. If you need lots of PR links then building a network makes more sense. Is that too difficult for you?
                    umm one question - can you get more free links when you buy links like you can when you own high PR domains? ROFL
                    But if you don't need those links, buying is easier. Buying and maintaining whole sites for a few links is stupid. If you need more then it makes more sense.
                    Thats the only thing I need to respond to out of your last two pointless posts. oh except to day that anyone can see the true level of being unbiased when you just told people they should buy individual high PR links rather than buy their own domains. Too funny.
                    I didn't say that (favorite epithet)! See you're doing it again, trying to make my argument something it isn't to make it more ridiculous. If you need a few PR links then it's stupid to buy domains and maintain the sites for them. You can get them much easier in other places. If however you need more links then it becomes more and more worth building a network. That is my position. Not, buying PR links is always preferable to buying aged domains.

                    If someone needs even one PR link and they want to buy an aged domain for it then I really don't give a **** if someone does that or not, their choice. If they need 1000000 of them and want to buy them instead of buying aged domains I don't care. PERSONALLY, I wouldn't mess with buying aged domains if it isn't necessary. If you want to go into the business of selling links then obviously that is another story entirely.

                    I can allow a varying opinion but you can't.
                    Like I said you have a vested interest in people not getting their own resources and locked into paying for ongoing services.
                    Like I said, I am giving an honest opinion that has nothing to do with my services.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                      I'm making suggestions to average IMers with average competition for their keywords. Not recommending anything on a "professional" level. If you need lots of PR links then building a network makes more sense. Is that too difficult for you?
                      bleh more distortion.

                      Is it too difficult for you to understand this has nothing to do with how many sites you have? remember your failed point? Again reading is fundamental. I've said straight off like ten times already that you analyze your competition and IF they have those links then you match. I even stated point blank if not then go get a service. Can't you read?

                      But no sorry silly point - it has nothing to do with how many sites but your competition. Nothing to do with Average Imer or not. You can encounter that in any serp. Theres no specific niches where webmasters are forbidden or might not use such links and Imers do encounter many niches where those links are used with enough abundance where buying individual links is asinine.

                      You have no clue what you are talking about and that advice stinks.

                      . If you need a few PR links then it's stupid to buy domains and maintain the sites for them.
                      Talk about thick. Goodness Marc, Third time. I guess I have to spell it out for you -

                      There is a fairly easy technique in link building called three way linking. The easiest way of implementing it is to have high PR domains because that interests the webmasters who you want to do it with. You can have as little as two or three. Webmasters then exchange links in a three way structure that makes them one way links. there are many places to find webmasters to do this EVEN RIGHT HERE AT WF. You and KKs garbage that you have to host a lot of domains to reap the benefits is pure baloney. Two domains can secure 20-60 high PR links. Shoot there are even some fairly fast automatic systems once you have sites with PR - BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A SMALL NETWORK OF TWO OR MORE HIGH PR domains TO WORK WITH.

                      That can be had for the cost of two months of SenukeX or two months of just one of the services KK has talked about. Shoot if you know where to look you can get started with a single PR4 for the cost of BMR in a month certainly month and a half.

                      is it a push button order a service and blast kind of deal? No. Like I said you and KK cannot grasp anything that doesn't fit that mold and I've proven it in this thread because I have referred to this technique several times and yet you still claim you have to host a bunch of domains like your minds just can't grasp the concept. Does it answer the age old question of how to get natural looking links from webmasters even in your own niche? yep.

                      You make claims about being open and having different opinion but your minds are shut like brick walls to anything outside your scope. You have no clue about how SEO is done outside your WSO worlds and how even a small network can be TERRIBLY EFFECTIVE. It gives you links that STICK on the PR page, that are not loaded up with thousands of users dropping links on the pages that roll to oblivion and it can be done to look so organic you don't have to worry about getting dinged by Google. It drives some of the serps you look at and can't rank on.

                      Furthermore despite you and KKs garbage they not only can pay for themselves which no bought link will do but you can use PROFIT from selling a link or two to pay for everything.

                      in one word - clueless. and you have the nerve to call what I use and teach crap? ROFl. No more freebie SEO lessons for you cause it goes right over your heads anyway.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        bleh more distortion.

                        Is it too difficult for you to understand this has nothing to do with how many sites you have? remember your failed point? Again reading is fundamental. I've said straight off like ten times already that you analyze your competition and IF they have those links then you match. I even stated point blank if not then go get a service. Can't you read?
                        Why do you keep harping on the amount of sites? I explained that. I mention the exact same thing in the bit you quoted that you say I can't understand! Are you kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me?
                        But no sorry silly point - it has nothing to do with how many sites but your competition.
                        Originally Posted by me in the bit you quoted and are allegedly responding to

                        I'm making suggestions to average IMers with average competition for their keywords. Not recommending anything on a "professional" level. If you need lots of PR links then building a network makes more sense. Is that too difficult for you?
                        READ!
                        Nothing to do with Average Imer or not. You can encounter that in any serp. Theres no specific niches where webmasters are forbidden or might not use such links and Imers do encounter many niches where those links are used with enough abundance where buying individual links is asinine.
                        Then you do what is needed! EXPAND!!! If you need more links and it becomes more worthwhile to build a network then DO IT. But, if you don't need that many then buying them is perfectly fine. Don't sit there and act like I'm saying it is always preferable to buy links over building your own network, because I'm not.
                        There is a fairly easy technique in link building called three way linking. The easiest way of implementing it is to have high PR domains because that interests the webmasters who you want to do it with. You can have as little as two or three. Webmasters then exchange links in a three way structure that makes them one way links. there are many places to find webmasters to do this EVEN RIGHT HERE AT WF. You and KKs garbage that you have to host a lot of domains to reap the benefits is pure baloney.
                        How many sites have I said you would need to host? Give me a precise number. I haven't hinted at any number whatsoever so this is incorrect.

                        This is my last comment to you in this thread. Have fun.:p
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                          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                          How many sites have I said you would need to host? Give me a precise number. I haven't hinted at any number whatsoever so this is incorrect.
                          W....E....A....K

                          You clearly indicated hosting domains would be an issue and there is not a single IMer that would've any issue with hosting two sites like I mentioned. Your point got blew up and everyone knows it. You and Kk have said repeatedly in this thread that building networks only make sense if you have enough sites and its now proven garbage advice.

                          Weak SEO
                          Weak "Guidelines"
                          Weak arguments.

                          This is my last comment to you in this thread. Have fun.:p
                          Thanks. Enjoy the new year.
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              • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                If you only have five sites then what are the chances that you are going to make good money lurking around in low competition, low traffic long tail serps? Sheesh its this thinking that makes money only for service sellers and not for the end users. With only five sites you are going to have to wade into deeper waters where greater competition is going after larger traffic keywords and up your game. AND THATS EXACTLY WHERE YOU WILL NEED LOW OBL HIGH PR LINKS THAT STICK RATHER THAN ROLL OFF
                Get off the five sites thing. I explained myself.
                In short you have no clue. and give the sig claim a break.
                Remove it then.
                Your business partner has his sig turned on and so does KK.
                I can't control Matt's sig. I can't control what he writes either. For instance he's far too nice to you in this thread for my tastes.
                People are not as dumb as you think. Your offers ARE being advertised in this thread in your partners sig and its in your business interest to turn people away from getting their own resources because that way they have to constantly come back to service providers like yourself and shell out $99 for the weakest of their keywords to hit number 9 each time (for a few weeks) .
                Number one, we don't sell PR links at this time. Nobody will be able to buy the links I am talking about in my non existent sig nor Matt's. Number two, this has nothing to do with my services! I don't need nor I do I want to slum for business buy arguing with a blow hard in this thread. I am giving unbiased advice which has nothing to do with our services. You are the one that keeps bringing it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Goath
    Spammy links do work for keywords with no competition.

    But if you have just 10 good PR links in a low competition niche you will outrank every **** out there.

    You can take the short way or the long and exhausting way... It's your choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Bottom line, using private network not only need to protect the links, the ranking power is limited and never dare to response to a challenge.

    Like I said again and again, private network is great, but only if you have a lot of sites to rank, and they are expensive to build - like Mike admitted by avoiding my challenge. I'm still using AMA, Articleranks for the competition, he don't dare to proof himself because his network is so precious while I'm using an open network.

    He contradict all his believes -

    Private Network is cheap to build : While so protective until want me to put 10K in the escrow just to join the competition.

    I still think established network is the way to go unless you have many sites to rank or - you are providing a service.

    Join any network, and you can take on Mike Anthony anytime.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      Bottom line, using private network not only need to protect the links, the ranking power is limited and never dare to response to a challenge.
      Boring.

      Just lies lies and more lies. If theres anything people know and either hate or love I ALWAYS respond . We agreed on a challenge for "backlinks". You rank top three with your own site and I'll pay you to if you hit top three. I made it very clear and others agree that it makes no sense for me to expose my network. I certainly won't do it to show I am better than an alleged SEO that only uses other peoples service and not any of his own resources, who claims search results in quote is a measure of competition for a phrase, that profile backlinks if they stick are just as good as High PR blog links and who states that OBL does not matter (what a comedy of obvious SEO errors?).

      After that anyone with half a brain already knows whose the more knowledgeable SEO. My point? Theres just no upside whatsoever to exposing even a single domain to prove what needs no more proof. You shot yourself in the foot so often theres no question who understands SEO more.


      Like I said again and again, private network is great, but only if you have a lot of sites to rank and they are expensive to build - like Mike admitted by avoiding my challenge.
      More lies. You are stacking them up. I admitted nothing of the sort I've stated several times in this thread why no one will expose any size network to be deindexed.


      He contradict all his believes -

      Private Network is cheap to build : While so protective until want me to put 10K in the escrow just to join the competition.
      Silliness - think I really think you would pay that. It was merely a way of expressing to you that theres no way anyone would risk even a $100 bucks simply to take on your silly challenge regarding forum backlinks you were making in that thread.

      Join any network, and you can take on Mike Anthony anytime.
      Well of course since OBL and your links sliding off any page with Pr do not matter. ROFL.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    Question for those who know...

    there is a tech domain for sale on Godaddy that's a PR4 with over 5,500 backlinks. The auction closes in like an hour and it's up to $12 bucks.

    People are avoiding it because 90% of the backlinks are spam (mixed with some high quality) backlinks. The spam links are promoting keywords like "Viagra". Apparently someone is trying to get the site banned by google, or it was hacked or something...

    Would you also avoid a PR4 .com domain for cheap because of spam backlinks?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      Would you also avoid a PR4 .com domain for cheap because of spam backlinks?
      For $17? No but I would have to be sure about the other links that they were legit
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Hey Mike and Warriors,

    Since you and many here are worry about exposing your network, I do hope someone can point me some resources to expose someone's network.

    I know Majestic SEO had they own crawler, but even with that is not possible to find all the sites, may be just some of them.

    Anyone who know and share how to expose a network would great appreciated.

    Kok Choon

    P.S. Mike, you still contradict your believes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      Hey Mike and Warriors,

      Since you and many here are worry about exposing your network, I do hope someone can point me some resources to expose someone's network.
      ROFL. So whats up KK? Ran into some problems in a serp where your services can't beat the site with the network? Why look up their network just blow them out of the water with the network services you use that beats any other networks out there?

      Given the claims in this thread thats just too funny.
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    • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post


      I know Majestic SEO had they own crawler, but even with that is not possible to find all the sites, may be just some of them.

      Anyone who know and share how to expose a network would great appreciated.
      Sorry for interrupting here ...
      I dont really know what blog networks are. (But i want to know) Are you guys talking about blogs that they update, i guess on hourly basis, and in each article got lots of anchor text back links to different websites.
      I use majestic seo, i was analyzing one of my competitor and found that he got links from these kind of blogs. They have a different section or category for that thing. For example

      http://sitename.com/articles/
      http://sitename.com/articlearchive/
      http://sitename.com/articledirectory/
      http://sitename.com/affiliatearticles/

      I want to know how to get backlinks from those blog networks?
      Which ones do you use?
      The guy is having 1719 back links from 588 referring domains.
      And most of them are ranging from PR1 to PR3.
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    Lol, yet another Mike Anthony knows everything thread.. Priceless!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

      Lol, yet another Mike Anthony knows everything thread.. Priceless!

      LOL. Yet another link spammer/low quality link seller I hate Mike Anthony post.

      Comes with the territory
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      • Profile picture of the author Oranges
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        LOL. Yet another link spammer/low quality link seller I hate Mike Anthony post.

        Comes with the territory
        Dude are you 24/7 watching this thread like a hawk!
        Man you're unbelievable.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

          Dude are you 24/7 watching this thread like a hawk!
          Man you're unbelievable.
          Same ole link spamming crew every time. Do you guys synchronize your posting? Orange, Beck few others and for some strange reason they almost all say - Dude at some time. LOL. Anyway You don't have to watch threads by the way. This this nifty feature called subscribing

          and at 10 am every day I am engaged online with customers clients etc through email especially. Don't be a slacker
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      Eh, not buying it, Mike.. you are a known personal attacker here,

      Jinx the back story on you is You are here because I wouldn't let it go uncontested when you blamed some poor guy in the senukeX got me penalized thread that it was his fault and only his fault. You claimed that senukeX holds no responsibility whatsoever despite including a template known to create problems with Google. You call my defense of the poor guy an attack because your couldn't hold your points up. I'll admit I didn't go easy but then you didn't either. you put it all on the OP and I defended him. Wear it like a badge of honor.

      dont put people down and insult them for their opinion.
      Wow. if only they were words lived by. Thats incredibly ironic since we would never had ANY disagreement if you had not insisted on putting down the OP in that thread by implying it was all his fault for getting a penalty.

      Who else? I've had threads where there were ten guys coming at me for me critiquing link spam tools. Is this all you guys got?

      Incidentally any comments about the OP and the thread subject? lol
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Jinx the back story on you is....
        :rolleyes:.....I mean come on lol are you seeing a pattern here. How many people do follow around starting crap with Mike? Give it a rest, go get a girlfriend or start training Jiu-Jitsu or something...you got Anger problems.
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      Ya know, you people in this section are worse than the copywriters. If I have to start adding to my moderating time to come in here and watch for this personal crap, I'm not going to be mellow about it. I will start banning people wholesale.

      I don't very much care if you have WSOs running at the time. So consider that before you start taking shots at other members. Paying to advertise here does not make you exempt from the rules.

      And you new folks with nothing invested in the forum and no names attached will go all in one swell foop. I have very little tolerance for anonymous snipers in a conversation.

      Debate techniques all you want. That's the function of the forum. Skip the ongoing feuds.


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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      Google also knows when a domain exchanges hands, and your pr of your purchased domain will drop after a few months. You can regain this pr though, by adding fresh, quality content and adding links.
      I disagree with this statement. PR does not just disappear because a domain changes hands. If the links remain, so does the PR. If the links disappear, so will the PR. A domain could change ownership 5 times a year. That will have no direct effect on the PR.

      Also, adding fresh content has nothing to do with PR.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      Thanks Paul, and I am happy to debate about techniques
      Ditto so now we are on track and my night has freed up.


      Now, on to the topic.. my viewpoint is, unless you have a very competitive keyword, you can go with free web2.0 networks to get your job done
      Wheres the serps with people just ranking top 3 on PR N/A web 2.0s? Imers have to be reduced to running down long tail with little traffic. Not real life.

      Google also knows when a domain exchanges hands, and your pr of your purchased domain will drop after a few months. You can regain this pr though, by adding fresh, quality content and adding links
      You are just making this up. I have bought many domains in the last 6 months and they do not lose PR like you claim. There are countless people who are actually active in buying domains that would find that extremely funny and they include service providers we have already talked about. When last did you actually buy a Domain with Pr?

      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      since google is a registrar, they can indeed see if a domain has a new owner, so to answer the above question.. dont know.. wouldn't put it past them in the near future. Google already knows what is going on.
      They are on record as stating this is not done plus their are legal and privacy issues for a regstrar to just bypass whois privacy for their own business interests that Google would be opening themselves up to.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

          Thats why I say, you know, if your newly bought domain's pr drops (unfortunate but has happened), build more links, add more content.
          It doesn't matter what the tool bar says. PR is updated continually Google just lets us know about it every few months.

          Somebody who was selling blog posts (very expensive too) to their PR network gave me an example site that had a toolbar PR 6. I looked at the backlinks and they didn't justify the PR 6. Domain authority at seomoz was a weak 23 too. So in fact you are probably looking a PR 1-2 site based upon the backlinks. This site isn't giving out PR 6 worth of link juice even though the tool bar says PR 6.

          So even if your site gets it's PR bumped to n/a as long as you have the links you'll get the juice. You just can't sell links until the PR updates again.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

          Well, true, this is speculation, and google does obviously keep secret more than they make public, but no, I didnt just make this up:

          Jim Boykin's Link Building Blog | What does Google know about your domain names? by Nick Wilsdon

          How Does Google Know When a Website Has Changed Ownership | Marketing Tips

          Thats why I say, you know, if your newly bought domain's pr drops (unfortunate but has happened), build more links, add more content.
          Jinx you are winging it. Do you have any experience buying aged domains? None of those links say anything about Pr dropping a few months later because of registration data and the second link is talking about doing things that every experienced buyer knows to do that has little to do with Google being a registrar. Thats what I was referring to as made up. No one denies that google is a registrar but you made up the losing the PR like its some automatic loss. Sites lose Pr because they lose links and if you buy aged domains knowing what you are doing they do not have to drop PR. Mine seldom do and I have been at this awhile and so have many others . before you state things as fact you need to either have experience doing what you are talking about or have some facts to back it up.

          Great harm is done to people every week in the forums by people who talk about things they do not know anything about.


          Since when do multi-billion dollar companies tell the public the whole truth? Even if they did, it's within their rights to lookup your info (registrars have that right), and within their rights to decide if and/or where they want to include your site in their index
          Proof is in the pudding not within the conspiracy theory. If Google did this they would have already wiped out almost all the PR networks out there and they not only haven't some of them are operating in the most popular serps in Google.

          furthermore as I stated the issue is not whois information which is what your quote from them is about anyway. It is seeing behind Whois privacy and getting personal information. Whois can be seen by lots of people such as nameservers and Ip addresses. Google would be opening up a can of worms to violate whois privacy that other registrars sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
    I'm sorta concerned that Google is going to crack down on people buying aged domains for PR. They don't want the serps manipulated no matter how it's done. Do you think they won't do anything about it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

      I'm sorta concerned that Google is going to crack down on people buying aged domains for PR. They don't want the serps manipulated no matter how it's done. Do you think they won't do anything about it?
      Theres lots of thing that Google doesn't like and they will potentially do something about. Links on pages with lots of spun content, hundreds or thousands of low quality links pointing at sites, article direcories , bookmarking etc. theres not a thing that anyone of us is doing that might not be targeted by Google next.

      Right now thats not likely to be high quality PR pages. Right now the algo is going after low quality links from what I have seen. Plenty of people have got warnings for them and been slapped hard by Panda with them. Few High Pr links yeah even from bought domains have brought people back. So the writing is on the wall not for aged domains with Pr but the other lower caliber links
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      This isnt a conspiracy theory, like I pointed out before:

      "While we have no plans to register domains at this time, we believe this information (registrar whois data) can help us increase the quality of our search results." -Eileen Rodriguez, a Google spokeswoman
      You just don't understand the issues. Understandable because you didn't enter this thread to debate the issues in it. Whois information consists of IP, age, nameservers etc. It DOES NOT with privacy bought relate to ownership details. So yes Google and many other services utilize whois information but it is of no significance to domain buying because the issue there is who owns the domain. You are just pretending to know what google does and pretending to know whether Google will violate privacy issues with legal ramifications. Its classic conspiracy theory that is rebutted by the fact that if Google did do such things no SEO network on the planet would work (or the really big ones would go Puff in the night) in Google and they most certainly do.

      But no, Im not saying that it always happens, just that Im sure it does. The second article absolutely talks about losing PR from buying aged/ranked domains, if you read it. I havent bought used domains, but that doesnt make my cautionary viewpoint and research invalid.
      OF course it does. totally invalidates it . You have never bought a domain and you are claiming what happens when you buy one even claiming to know surely what does. Like I said you do not understand the issues. The second article talks about simple issues related to buying domains that all regular domain buyers understand and has nothing to do with Google being a registrar. I did read it. All of those things on the page would be immaterial if Google was going into private whois information. Changing content and putting the site up ASAP has nothing, zip to so with whois information.

      Thing is though I don't even get the point. Like I said theres no link building strategy that google might tag in the future. They may well change the algo entirely next year. SO what? we site around looking at each other until then? .

      Don't use BMR because it might go down In the future?
      Maybe we will all go social in a year so lets not build any links?

      Whats the point really?
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    anyone have experience with creating major brand (wordpress, blogspot, etc..) web2.0 sites, adding unique LSI content with your anchor text to your money site embedded in the article, then throw about 50k low quality links at each 2.0 blog and just forget about the campaign? -- then repeat these steps all over again in a new campaign..

    In my mind, that seems like a no-brainer blog network method for those who can't afford to build their own.

    I personally have not tried it that elaborately though...
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    • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      anyone have experience with creating major brand (wordpress, blogspot, etc..) web2.0 sites, adding unique LSI content with your anchor text to your money site embedded in the article, then throw about 50k low quality links at each 2.0 blog and just forget about the campaign? -- then repeat these steps all over again in a new campaign..

      In my mind, that seems like a no-brainer blog network method for those who can't afford to build their own.

      I personally have not tried it that elaborately though...
      Thoughts?
      I'm been using a blog network service for the last 3 months that helped a lot, but I'll probably cancel next month.

      The fiverr gig I mentioned in another post gave me a good start on my own. They created a linkwheel (open) with these 2.0 sites:

      wikispaces.com
      webs.com
      tripod.com
      weebly.com
      posterous.com
      jimdo.com
      livejournal.com
      multiply.com
      orbs.com
      yolasite.com
      onsugar.com
      blog.com

      I'm going to build on this by adding content for a couple of my other sites and also add a few more blogs to this list. Then I will start adding backlinks to these sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
        Originally Posted by Carl Brown View Post

        I'm been using a blog network service for the last 3 months that helped a lot, but I'll probably cancel next month.

        The fiverr gig I mentioned in another post gave me a good start on my own. They created a linkwheel (open) with these 2.0 sites:

        wikispaces.com
        webs.com
        tripod.com
        weebly.com
        posterous.com
        jimdo.com
        livejournal.com
        multiply.com
        orbs.com
        yolasite.com
        onsugar.com
        blog.com

        I'm going to build on this by adding content for a couple of my other sites and also add a few more blogs to this list. Then I will start adding backlinks to these sites.
        Yeah that's what I was wondering about. In theory, this looks like a no-brainer way to build backlinks and I'm surprised this isn't more talked about on WF.

        Personally, I think linkwheels are overrated, but the idea of throwing 50k backlinks to each blog site seems like a valuable way to build backlinks. I'd imagine those blog sites would grow into solid PR2's with very low OBLs on a personal blog designed for your keywords....

        Using a Page Rank metric, those 12 blogs are potentially better than any low quality blog network... in theory.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

          Yeah that's what I was wondering about. In theory, this looks like a no-brainer way to build backlinks and I'm surprised this isn't more talked about on WF.
          The principle actually has been just remember people are not going to give their best secrets out so variations and details on this are never going to be things people throw around in here in depth. People call it different things - buffer sites, booster sites and the one I use funnel sites. As with most things though if you apply a little creativity and quality to it it does much better. Bare minimum technique? No need to blast to kingdom come just do some really good blog commenting/tumblr links and you get far better juice.

          However I would never go long term in those free blogs. You can find hosting at a dollar a month and do whatever you want. Many of the free blogs will delete your stuff. Now light extra unique ip diversity certainly.
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          • Profile picture of the author morchman
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            The principle actually has been just remember people are not going to give their best secrets out so variations and details on this are never going to be things people throw around in here in depth. People call it different things - buffer sites, booster sites and the one I use funnel sites. As with most things though if you apply a little creativity and quality to it it does much better. Bare minimum technique? No need to blast to kingdom come just do some really good blog commenting/tumblr links and you get far better juice.

            However I would never go long term in those free blogs. You can find hosting at a dollar a month and do whatever you want. Many of the free blogs will delete your stuff. Now light extra unique ip diversity certainly.
            Mike Anthony

            After wading through this immensely educational thread ....

            I dont want to take advantage but wonder whether I could push a few queries your way in order that I can get the PBN set up bang on from the outset rather than waste valuable time heading down blind alleys.

            My main queries are:

            Is it best to buy dropped domains with PR (I understand the PR / links may disappear once a new reg is recognised) Or are fresh / new domains ok provided you can get some PR running through them in a few iterations?

            I suppose a combination of 1) Dropped domains 2) Currently owned (but private) domains 3) Brand new domains - would not be a problem..?

            How would you approach this starting out? If this is secret sauce stuff I understand if you dont want to give too much away

            Best wishes

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          • Profile picture of the author morchman
            Sorry should have added ... Im new to Warrior and definitely new to the concept of private blog networks.

            I love the idea of creating my own link real estate with decent rather than spun content.
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  • Profile picture of the author PowderPuff
    If a bunch of crappy links can do it, then high PR sites can too.
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  • Profile picture of the author desultory
    BMR is a good first choice, and in the meantime try to find other networks, or even build your own network.
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      BMR is a good first choice
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        Originally Posted by satrap View Post

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