Trying to Build a High PR network

by dadoc
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Guys I am trying to start building my own personal high PR network. So far I have become a member of dropday.com and have been attempting to purchase expired domains at godaddy auctions. However, I am finding many of these domains are going for astronomical prices. There was a PR6 that went for almost $400 which is really stiff.

Doing my research I use rankchecker to ensure pagerank is valid and have been using majesticseo to see that there are plenty of links to the main domain page. What prices should one expect to pay for these high PR domains i.e. PR 3 or higher?

Is there any other marketplace to obtain these high PR domains? I don't want to spend several thousand dollars building this out.

thanks in advance,
dadoc
#build #high #network
  • Profile picture of the author Melissa82
    Ebay might be worth looking at and usually has some for sale at reasonable prices.

    Are you hosting the domains on separate c class IP's?
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    • Profile picture of the author dadoc
      Originally Posted by Melissa82 View Post

      Ebay might be worth looking at and usually has some for sale at reasonable prices.

      Are you hosting the domains on separate c class IP's?
      I haven't really started, but have found a couple of decent hosting platforms. I desire shared IP SEO hosting because the cost is so much less.

      I will check ebay out and see. Thanks for the tip.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Banks
    If you don't know how to build PR quickly you shouldn't be in the PR Network business, these guys create PR out of dust, especially after PR goes down regularly due to backlinks sold.
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    • Profile picture of the author dadoc
      Originally Posted by Melissa82 View Post

      Ebay might be worth looking at and usually has some for sale at reasonable prices.

      Are you hosting the domains on separate c class IP's?
      Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

      If you don't know how to build PR quickly you shouldn't be in the PR Network business, these guys create PR out of dust, especially after PR goes down regularly due to backlinks sold.
      I am going to keep the outbound links at a minimum amount probably 30 to 40 or so. I have 2 very authoritative ecommerce sites I use to point to other sites to give them some PR but can't usually get them above PR 2.

      This is certainly a bold endeavour as I have dabbled with other high PR networks and have found that an incontext link on the homepage is quite strong at ranking for low to medium competitive keywords, but once that rolls off then the rankings drop a bit....
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    • Profile picture of the author phans
      Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

      If you don't know how to build PR quickly you shouldn't be in the PR Network business
      so how do you learn it without getting into it? :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author highave1
      Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

      If you don't know how to build PR quickly you shouldn't be in the PR Network business, these guys create PR out of dust, especially after PR goes down regularly due to backlinks sold.

      Yes, of course not, if this guy going forward as per any experts?
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  • Profile picture of the author massivemarketing
    A solid PR6 for $400 is a very good price. PR domains have been going up since last Autumn. You shouldn't pay for PR though, what you want to pay for are:
    The number of PR links driving the domain.
    The chances of those links being deleted.
    You will need Ahrefs + Scrapebox to quickly check links or use SEO Spyglass if your willing to wait.
    Building a quality high PR network will cost you thousands though.

    Congrats and goodluck on your network!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrsparrow
    Try using freshdrop.com they seem to have better domains listed. Sometimes dropday just doesn't list any good domains...I don't know why.

    The lowest prices you can expect to pay for auction domains are around $59, so it's only worth it if you buy PR4+ domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    You need high PR and aged domains, a SEO hosting with unique class-C IPs, unique themes and a software like Article Marketing Robot that can automate your submissions to your network.
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  • Profile picture of the author SinSimon
    Making site PR4 is actually deadly easy if you know some good techniques. PM me if you are interested, I don't want to share it to public here.
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    • Profile picture of the author stectech
      Originally Posted by SinSimon View Post

      Making site PR4 is actually deadly easy if you know some good techniques. PM me if you are interested, I don't want to share it to public here.
      SinSimon: Very interested in how you accomplish this. Please PM me.
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  • Profile picture of the author flipgrind
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    $400 for PR 6 domain is enough if it's 6-8 years old. Last month I bough and PR 5 domain for $380 but the age is 12 years old. Sometimes, price also depends on the age of domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by dadoc View Post

    There was a PR6 that went for almost $400 which is really stiff.
    A PR6 for $400 is not a bad price under the right circumstances. It could even be a steal. Depends entirely on what it comes with. You are going to end up losing your shirt if you only concentrate on PR when buying PR domains. Common conception is that that is the most important factor - It is not.

    far more important are the quantity, quality and positioning of the links. Further factors that affect price are how many interior pages have pagerank links coming to them. People have a way of only looking at the home page. Frankly some PR6s are downright STEALS at a $1,000 and more with those factors taken into consideration. You can do some SERIOUSLY profitable things with interior links as well.

    Originally Posted by markneve View Post

    I think you can go with 400 $ price for PR8 & 50 less for PR wth 7 & 300 for pr6 etc

    The day you see a PR8 selling for $400 and believe its a good buy is the day that you will lose $400 for a worthless domain.

    legitimate PR8s go for several thousands and rarely become available.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Warren
    Yes a PR 6 is a STEAL at $400 as long as the backlinks are there. I bought two PR 6s, both around $600 and one is now a 4 as it lost it's backlinks.

    Honestly. I wouldn't use GoDaddy to buy high PR domains as I believe a lot of people build up PR and then sell the domains on GoDaddy. Then they have those backlinks deleted and start on other domains.

    You should try a domain finding service called Register Compass. It will find legitimate high PR domains that are dropped and about to go in auction. Then you can do your homework on each one and see if it's one you want. You will have to create domain registrar accounts on enomcentral.com and Network Solutions. All auctions are handled through Namejet.com. And yes, they find high PR domains in GoDaddy also.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Don Warren View Post

      Yes a PR 6 is a STEAL at $400 as long as the backlinks are there. I bought two PR 6s, both around $600 and one is now a 4 as it lost it's backlinks.

      Honestly. I wouldn't use GoDaddy to buy high PR domains as I believe a lot of people build up PR and then sell the domains on GoDaddy. Then they have those backlinks deleted and start on other domains.
      Unfortunately that can happen with any service of marketplace. Thats why you must do your homework and know what you are looking for to determine good buys. Sorry to hear your lost on one . The other one is holding PR though it seems?
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      • Profile picture of the author Don Warren
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Unfortunately that can happen with any service of marketplace. Thats why you must do your homework and know what you are looking for to determine good buys. Sorry to hear your lost on one . The other one is holding PR though it seems?
        Yes. Well I wasn't exactly super smart on that one. We needed a PR 6 to finish our high PR network desperately. I checked the backlinks and it checked out so I gave it the go.

        Then after I had won it, I noticed they were all from the same site in the footer. About a month later, the site own deleted it and bam it went down to a 4.

        But the other PR 6 has stayed up nicely and we have actually had many sites go from 3 to 4s and 4s to 5s. So the investment has definitely stayed in place.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Don Warren View Post

          Then after I had won it, I noticed they were all from the same site in the footer. About a month later, the site own deleted it and bam it went down to a 4.
          Yeah you were not the worse case I have heard. People have shelled out hundreds and at the next update found out they landed up with PR ZERO. Unfortunately there have been a few WSOs and product launches that teach people little more than doing info searches and running on to godaddy. That one you mentioned is common. Too many links from the same site. Sometimes its not even being scammed its that the previous owner was interlinking and has given up all their domains to expiration.

          But the other PR 6 has stayed up nicely and we have actually had many sites go from 3 to 4s and 4s to 5s. So the investment has definitely stayed in place.
          Good for you man. In the end a network ends up paying for itself ten times over. Only thing I have found better is going viral and getting ton loads of natural links. Unfortunately you can't put that lightning in a bottle and control when it will happen.
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          • Profile picture of the author Don Warren
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Yeah you were not the worse case I have heard. People have shelled out hundreds and at the next update found out they landed up with PR ZERO. Unfortunately there have been a few WSOs and product launches that teach people little more than doing info searches and running on to godaddy. That one you mentioned is common. Too many links from the same site. Sometimes its not even being scammed its that the previous owner was interlinking and has given up all their domains to expiration.

            Good for you man. In the end a network ends up paying for itself ten times over. Only thing I have found better is going viral and getting ton loads of natural links. Unfortunately you can't put that lightning in a bottle and control when it will happen.
            Yes. I have heard many many horror stories also. Go viral is just as good if not better than getting on first page. There's nothing like word of mouth traffic.

            Actually. Another good advice (this is for the OP of course) for someone is look for people who are selling domains in bulk. Just keep an eye out. I bough about 20 domains for $250 or so as someone was building their own high PR network but it didn't pan out. Many of those had low PR to no PR but the backlinks were there. The minute we made them into sites they all received a huge PR boost.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Don Warren View Post

              Actually. Another good advice (this is for the OP of course) for someone is look for people who are selling domains in bulk. Just keep an eye out. I bough about 20 domains for $250 or so as someone was building their own high PR network but it didn't pan out. Many of those had low PR to no PR but the backlinks were there. The minute we made them into sites they all received a huge PR boost.
              NO offense but I would seriously warn the OP to stay away from situations like that. For everyone working with a private seller where it works out there are ten where they get ripped off. You need to be very experienced analyzing sites plus you have to verify trustworthiness or do it through escrow to reduce your risks. Theres some big money to be made in selling domains with Pr and all kinds of ways to scam people doing it
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              • Profile picture of the author Don Warren
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                NO offense but I would seriously warn the OP to stay away from situations like that. For everyone working with a private seller where it works out there are ten where they get ripped off. You need to be very experienced analyzing sites plus you have to verify trustworthiness or do it through escrow to reduce your risks. Theres some big money to be made in selling domains with Pr and all kinds of ways to scam people doing it
                That's very true. You must make sure the person you are buying them from is reputable. I found the person in an SEO forum and I did many tests and checked out the person as well.
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                • Profile picture of the author Ricky Dawn
                  Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

                  If you don't know how to build PR quickly you shouldn't be in the PR Network business, these guys create PR out of dust, especially after PR goes down regularly due to backlinks sold.
                  You can only build PR as fast as Google updates their PR for us to see, so really you have plenty of time.

                  Personally I do not understand why you would want a PR network, I have multiple website ranking in the top 5 with just a PR1 or 2.

                  And if you're planning on buying it just to link it to your main site for a 'good link' with a little effort you can get a link on a PR6 site free.

                  PR doesn't mean anything! Unless of course you're planning to sell a site to a newbie marketer that gets blinded by the lovely looking green bar.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Don Warren
                    Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn View Post

                    Personally I do not understand why you would want a PR network, I have multiple website ranking in the top 5 with just a PR1 or 2.
                    Those high PR sites are not meant to rank high in the search engines. But to boost other site's rankings. Now, if someone bought a high PR site and put relevant content on it (that's in your PR1 or PR2 niches) that they would want to rank for then it could very well possibly pass your PR1 or PR 2 if they created the right backlinks.

                    Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn View Post

                    And if you're planning on buying it just to link it to your main site for a 'good link' with a little effort you can get a link on a PR6 site free.
                    You can't just find those kinds of links out of thin air. If it were that easy then everybody would be doing it. Are they no follow or do follow? I'm curious to see what sites you're talking about.

                    Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn View Post

                    PR doesn't mean anything!
                    Don't make statements when you really don't know. If PR doesn't mean anything, then why does my high PR network push people to the first page and many people #1? Sometimes people get a huge boost in 2 days right when their campaigns start in our network. When it comes to getting quality backlinks, having them on high PR pages is by far the best.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    SO much misinformation in this post

                    Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn View Post

                    You can only build PR as fast as Google updates their PR for us to see, so really you have plenty of time.
                    False. PR is updated daily by Google's algorithm. You are referring to the update of the tool bar to the public.

                    Personally I do not understand why you would want a PR network, I have multiple website ranking in the top 5 with just a PR1 or 2.
                    Has nothing to do with it. A Pr 1 can out rank a PR5 because they are targeting different keywords.

                    And if you're planning on buying it just to link it to your main site for a 'good link' with a little effort you can get a link on a PR6 site free.
                    Sites don't have PR pages do. Its called PAGErank. You cannot get a PR6 link easily. Just because the home page of a site has a PR6 does NOT mean that you will get a link there. If you are referring to blog comments on a comments page the link is often divided in its power by the other links

                    PR doesn't mean anything! Unless of course you're planning to sell a site to a newbie marketer that gets blinded by the lovely looking green bar.
                    People are running all over WF stating that who do not know what they are talking about. PR very much matters when it is combined in a link with anchor text.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Bofu2U
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      People are running all over WF stating that who do not know what they are talking about. PR very much matters when it is combined in a link with anchor text.
                      PR and anchor text have nothing to do with each other. If you replaced "PR" in your quote with "authority" then you're on point. PR and authority are NOT the same. There is such thing as relational authority, or authority based on the relationship between pages through classification such as niche, context, etc. PR is just a trust factor in general, it's not niche/content specific. Therefore, the anchor need not apply. The link does, yes. The anchor, no.

                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      False. PR is updated daily by Google's algorithm. You are referring to the update of the tool bar to the public.
                      It's actually updated progressively (as in per second, or whenever new data is presented) but yes. TBPR always confuses people. That's why I love it.

                      The rest of what you said I pretty much agree on, though.

                      Edit: I know I phrased that in a way as if it's a jab at ya, but it wasn't my intention. Well, sorta. It was fun at least.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by Bofu2U View Post

                        PR and anchor text have nothing to do with each other. If you replaced "PR" in your quote with "authority" then you're on point.
                        Sigh. When an anchor text link comes in from a high PR page it has nothing to do with the strength of the link for that keyword anchor text? Sorry but you either don't know what you are talking about or you didn't have a clue what I was referring to.

                        People often say that their site is say a PR 3 and beats a PR5 page but the reality is that the links that conveyed that juice to the PR5 merely was not utilizing the anchor text for that serp. Thats all. So thats your first error. They do work hand in hand in regard to a particular serp and keyword niche.

                        Your second error is that PR is distinct from authority. PR may not be all there is to authority but it IS a metric FOR authority and really the only one that is well established and known as a fact.


                        There is such thing as relational authority, or authority based on the relationship between pages through classification such as niche, context, etc. PR is just a trust factor in general, it's not niche/content specific. Therefore, the anchor need not apply. The link does, yes. The anchor, no.
                        Nonsense as explained above. IF PR was not a ranking factor in accordance with anchor text then getting high PR links would increase your pages PR and do nothing for your actual ranking. Multiple tests establish the fact that anchor text links from a high PR page move your up in the serps significantly. Again they work together when used properly not apart. Further none of thos factors are worth a hill of beans when buying domains for a network because you are completely in control of all those factors when you set up the sites.

                        As for all the conjecture niche context etc as a professional SEO of several years I have no doubt whatsoever that those things have their place but they are conjecture never confirmed by Google. The only authority metric that is solid and been confirmed by Google that we know about and are given data on is PR


                        It's actually updated progressively (as in per second, or whenever new data is presented) but yes. TBPR always confuses people. That's why I love it.
                        There are very few sites crawled more than once aday and none that are crawled per second so that sounds nice and impressive but its an overstatement.

                        I know I phrased that in a way as if it's a jab at ya, but it wasn't my intention. Well, sorta. It was fun at least.
                        No worry mate. Most of them clean missed but if you had fun trying that s what matters.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Bofu2U
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Sigh. When an anchor text link comes in from a high PR page it has nothing to do with the strength of the link for that keyword anchor text? Sorry but you either don't know what you are talking about or you didn't have a clue what I was referring to.
                          I must not have had a clue as to what you were referring to then. I'm not like most people, if I'm wrong I'll admit it.

                          The point I was making is that each page has a rating based on authority within the "definition" aka term, niche, whatever you want to call it - and authority in general. Trustworthiness.

                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          People often say that their site is say a PR 3 and beats a PR5 page but the reality is that the links that conveyed that juice to the PR5 merely was not utilizing the anchor text for that serp.
                          I do agree. Relevancy is taken into account after they're eval'd separately to figure out the power. In other words (and to put it more simplistic) - If your article link is a PR3 (the page), and the target is on the same topic, and your anchor is on that topic, you should get more power from it given the fact that it's evaluated. However, that doesn't mean you wouldn't get any at all if they weren't related. However, again, I think of things more in the lines of trust rather than PR in general because it's not an accurate metric unless it's the day after an update. If it's the day after an update, let's do this thing.

                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Thats all. So thats your first error. They do work hand in hand in regard to a particular serp and keyword niche.
                          I don't agree they work hand in hand as 1 metric, however if you read what I put above - we're in agreement regarding the result.

                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Your second error is that PR is distinct from authority.
                          I disagree. I think they're completely different entirely. However, I do agree that (below) it's a metric FOR authority. In my personal opinion it's just PR's "authority metrics" aspect mixed with the relevancy with the relational aspects of it thrown in (blue widgets to blue widgets, targetting blue widgets, while writing about blue widgets, etc etc).

                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          PR may not be all there is to authority but it IS a metric FOR authority and really the only one that is well established and known as a fact.
                          Completely agree. I have my own metrics on our internal index that rates "quality of links" based on the algorithms I put in place so I have a different view on stuff (of course, hence we're debating... hurr) but I'd rather take mine based on more updated information (yet my view of what I think matters) rather than attempt to take a 2.5+ month old metric on a page that's on a domain that was dropped, re-bought, content changed, etc. Again, if it's the day after an update it's a whole other story.

                          The downside of this is that it's based on the tiers of quality that I designate, not Google. *shrugs*

                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Nonsense as explained above. IF PR was not a ranking factor in accordance with anchor text then getting high PR links would increase your pages PR and do nothing for your actual ranking. Multiple tests establish the fact that anchor text links from a high PR page move your up in the serps significantly. Again they work together when used properly not apart.
                          Multiple tests have also shown that you can see a PR 5 site on page 2 for a specific SERP and the entire front page is PR2's. It also shows that PR0's can stick at #1 for years while #2 is a PR6. PR is a guideline (a shaky one at that) but since it's the only real guideline most people have, it's seen as the best. I'm not saying it's worthless if you don't have anything else, but once you do - it's pretty meh. I'm also not saying it shouldn't be used, I just say that I don't use it most of the time due to the testing that I've done. I'd rather evaluate it myself.

                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          As for all the conjecture niche context etc as a professional SEO of several years I have no doubt whatsoever that those things have their place but they are conjecture never confirmed by Google. The only metric that is solid and been confirmed by Good that we know about is PR
                          Exactly - and goes hand in hand with what I said above. 100% Ditto. On the "professional SEO of several years" part as well (not pissing contest, just clarifying).

                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          There are very few sites crawled more than once aday and none that are crawled per second so that sounds nice and impressive but its an overstatement.
                          I never said the site was getting crawled, I was referring to them crawling other sites and finding your backlinks. I'll guess that you just misunderstood my answer on this one. If not, feel free to let me know what you're talking about - maybe I misunderstood your answer?

                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          No worry mate. Most of them clean missed but if you had fun trying that s what matters.
                          It's always a blast. Hopefully after you read this you'll see that it's not necessarily a clean miss, maybe I was just aiming at the wrong target.

                          Edit: Also feel free to PM me if you want me to clarify anything. I don't mind talking shop with people that aren't clueless, and you're leaning towards the good side so far.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by Bofu2U View Post

                            I don't agree they work hand in hand as 1 metric, however if you read what I put above - we're in agreement regarding the result.
                            Who said one metric? They work hand in hand and its perfectly obvious to me and many others at least. See it every single day.

                            I disagree. I think they're completely different entirely. However, I do agree that (below) it's a metric FOR authority. In my personal opinion it's
                            theres our difference in focus. Don't care about opinions and certainly not when building a network. Apparently no serious builder does either or your opinions would be reflected in the market. If you had something on this then the market would pay top dollar for an authority site with zero PR. I would love to find the other secret sauces in Google's authority metric but we both know they are not sharing it. Seomoz with moz metrics is pretty good but for building a network it just doesn't cut it as something people can rely on over and distinct from PR. Not at this time and like I said the market reflects that.


                            It also shows that PR0's can stick at #1 for years while #2 is a PR6.
                            Fine. Show one. Thats exactly the error I was referring to that you missed. The PR6 site is getting links that built up its PR for some other keyword not the anchor text for the serp. Sure you can find those but there is no mystery authority metric there. You can usually see in the backlinks that the links that build PR are in fact not targeting or not targeting enough the keywords (on page sometimes)



                            It's always a blast. Hopefully after you read this you'll see that it's not necessarily a clean miss, maybe I was just aiming at the wrong target.
                            Maybe but I'd love to see that example of the PR 0 at #1 and the PR6 at #2 because I think it will clarify perfectly what I was talking about. I'll admit I was wrong if you can show me too but every time people have said stuff like that a quick look at the serp usually doesn't display what was claimed.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by Bofu2U View Post

                            Edit: Also feel free to PM me if you want me to clarify anything. I don't mind talking shop with people that aren't clueless, and you're leaning towards the good side so far.
                            Agreed !! despite a little sparring with your jab comment thing I like your approach although disagreeing with some of your points. Beats the junk out of trying to explain to some guy why pointing 10,000 forum profile links at a page won't rank you post (and frankly even pre) Panda in a competitive niche
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                            • Profile picture of the author Bofu2U
                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              Maybe but I'd love to see that example of the PR 0 at #1 and the PR6 at #2 because I think it will clarify perfectly what I was talking about. I'll admit I was wrong if you can show me too but every time people have said stuff like that a quick look at the serp usually doesn't display what was claimed.
                              No worries man. I understand where you're coming from, I deal with it all the time.

                              Off the top of my head:

                              **** berry - Google Search

                              #1 - PR 1 -> theacaitruth.com
                              #2 - PR 6 -> ****.org

                              PR0 on the page as well, above a PR 4, 2, 4.

                              Tried to find a few more examples but after 10ish or so figured I should get back to work. If I find any more I'll drop them to ya, but this one gets my point across. Half that, half I don't want to out niches. Heh.

                              That gets the point I was trying to make across. It's not updated enough to be accurate, and sometimes even a day after an update I see **** like this all the time.

                              The only reason this is a good example is that both are homepages, both have 50% of the term in it, but not EMD's.

                              I see a LOT of situations like this on any SERP with >30-40% FPCR (FrontPage Churn Rate, 3-4/10 new sites/month on it that weren't there before). Often the other 6-7 don't stick either, it's literally not like 6 are quality and the rest shift - but all shift.

                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              Agreed !! despite a little sparring with your jab comment thing I like your approach although disagreeing with some of your points. Beats the junk out of trying to explain to some guy why pointing 10,000 forum profile links at a page won't rank you post (and frankly even pre) Panda in a competitive niche
                              I'll drop you my messenger contacts and you can drop me a line whenever you're free. I'll be back on in a few hours.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by Bofu2U View Post


                                **** berry - Google Search

                                #1 - PR 1 -> theacaitruth.com
                                #2 - PR 6 -> ****.org

                                Did you put the right link. Thats not what I see there
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                                  **** berry shows position #8 and #9 for these 2 sites. Where ****.org is at #8. Still impressive for this theacaitruth site btw.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Bofu2U
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Did you put the right link. Thats not what I see there
                                  Stupid cache. That's what I get for not using Firefox for almost a year. Well, almost a year ago (and I guess somehow when I just searched...) that's what it looked like

                                  I'll see if I can find another one later tonight/tomorrow morning.

                                  Edit:

                                  Even though it's so recent they just don't have PR yet, but:

                                  SOPA

                                  http://www.google.com/search?q=sopa&...-a&hl=en&gl=US

                                  All sites on the frontpage are either PR N/A or PR 0, except the PR7 at @8.

                                  And I swear if I'm cached again... I will scream.

                                  Edit 2 ->

                                  Another example (though not a #1/#2 thing, but same concept)

                                  Kim Jong Il
                                  http://www.google.com/search?q=kim+j...-a&hl=en&gl=US

                                  PR's:

                                  #1 - 6
                                  #2 - 0
                                  #3 - 6
                                  #4 - 0
                                  #5 - 0
                                  #6 - 6
                                  #7 - 0
                                  #8 - 0
                                  #9 - 0
                                  #10 - 0

                                  All are dedicated deeplinks except a tumblr if my screen's correct.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by Bofu2U View Post

                                    Stupid cache. That's what I get for not using Firefox for almost a year. Well, almost a year ago (and I guess somehow when I just searched...) that's what it looked like
                                    Not a problem man. Has happened to best of us. Take your time. Theres no house burning down
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by Bofu2U View Post

                                    Even though it's so recent they just don't have PR yet, but:

                                    SOPA

                                    sopa - Google Search

                                    All sites on the frontpage are either PR N/A or PR 0, except the PR7 at @8.
                                    NO not cached but it illustrates the point I was trying to make to you. The PR7 is the ONLY result page there that does NOT have the "SOPA" in it. All the rest of the pages have it either in the title or in the blurb or on the page. They are targeted on page and that easily explains that while the PR7 is not targeting the term at all.


                                    So that one I don't even have to look up backlinks on. I will get to the other one when I have the time but I already see signs of why that is so with one of them. Very light page on one of the PR6s. See people see things like this and think PR doesn't matter but they fail to take into account that some PR pages are not even targeting the terms that they are ranking for. PR sticks with a page regardless of the keyword targeting so of course a PR7 will not rank high est if the word doesn't even appear on the page as it does not with the SOPA one.

                                    Now if the links that gave the government site its PR were also anchor text with the term "SOPA" as anchor text and the actual term appeared on the page then you could make your point stick.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Bofu2U
                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                      Now if the links that gave the government site its PR were also anchor text with the term "SOPA" as anchor text and the actual term appeared on the page then you could make your point stick.
                                      Keep in mind SOPA is associated as "Stop Online Piracy Act" and the terms are interchangeable. Just like if you were to link building using the term seo it's interchangeable with search engine optimization.

                                      This is also why "Stop Online Piracy Act" is in the title, and is bolded with you search for SOPA.

                                      However, haven't looked at the links yet but I'm sure they're there.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                        Originally Posted by Bofu2U View Post

                                        Keep in mind SOPA is associated as "Stop Online Piracy Act" and the terms are interchangeable. Just like if you were to link building using the term seo it's interchangeable with search engine optimization.

                                        This is also why "Stop Online Piracy Act" is in the title, and is bolded with you search for SOPA.

                                        Thats incorrect . Yes Google will do some association as best they can but they are not the same. Even your example proves it

                                        search for SEO and then search for "search engine optimization".

                                        You will see that though there are similarities the first pages has differences that very clearly demonstrate they are not the same search result

                                        Further proof is when you actually do the search for

                                        Stop Online Piracy Act

                                        Notice how much further up the same PR7 page ranks. Thats proof positive that they are not seen as the same search and the PR7 is more relevant for the actual words on the page and in the title.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author dadoc
                                          I appreciate all the input here.

                                          My 2 goals of getting the high PR network is

                                          1) point to my own sites
                                          2) using ALN with some as well

                                          Regarding dropped domains it was my impression that once a domain is dropped it has a higher chance of losing PR. Buying from a 3rd party or godaddy auctions prevents the drop from happening....even it only be for a tiny period.

                                          thoughts?
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                                          • Profile picture of the author deepsand
                                            Originally Posted by dadoc View Post

                                            I appreciate all the input here.

                                            My 2 goals of getting the high PR network is

                                            1) point to my own sites
                                            2) using ALN with some as well

                                            Regarding dropped domains it was my impression that once a domain is dropped it has a higher chance of losing PR. Buying from a 3rd party or godaddy auctions prevents the drop from happening....even it only be for a tiny period.

                                            thoughts?
                                            If you get the domains to buy them to point to your site, that is fine, but I wouldn't get into the selling links on the network, if you add the links your PR will drop and worse case de-indexed.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                            Originally Posted by dadoc View Post

                                            Regarding dropped domains it was my impression that once a domain is dropped it has a higher chance of losing PR. Buying from a 3rd party or godaddy auctions prevents the drop from happening....even it only be for a tiny period.

                                            Thats correct it also stops the domain age from resetting. There is some thought that if the age of the site gives away that the links coming to it were in fact placed before the domain's age in the whois that Google will discount those links and you lose PR. However there is some indication it does not always happen. I'm just not willing to waste money to see if I win the gamble that it won't happen to my domain. As you can see from this thread you can lose money pretty easily if you don;t understand everything going on. Its not rocket science though.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Don Warren
                                            Originally Posted by dadoc View Post

                                            Regarding dropped domains it was my impression that once a domain is dropped it has a higher chance of losing PR. Buying from a 3rd party or godaddy auctions prevents the drop from happening....even it only be for a tiny period.

                                            thoughts?
                                            Mike is right above, but half my network consists of domains that were dropped and the PR has stuck and even has gone higher. I have tremendous luck with dropped domains. There's one VERY important aspect when buying a domain with PR. And this applies to a dropped domains and non-dropped domains.

                                            When you buy either of these, make sure to private register these domains right away. When Google sees change of ownership (and yes they do), they tend to de-value these domains. Now, PR might come back in time but I've never waited that long to find out (actually I've never wanted to wait to see how long that would take). I ALWAYS private register a domain that I bought for it's PR if it's dropped or non-dropped.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                              Originally Posted by Don Warren View Post

                                              Mike is right above, but half my network consists of domains that were dropped and the PR has stuck and even has gone higher. I have tremendous luck with dropped domains. There's one VERY important aspect when buying a domain with PR. And this applies to a dropped domains and non-dropped domains.
                                              Don solid post and something I wanted to look into deeper because the reports and experiences as I indicated have been contradictory.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Don Warren
                                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                Don solid post and something I wanted to look into deeper because the reports and experiences as I indicated have been contradictory.
                                                I would have to say that about 90% of the domains I buy and private register keep their PR. There are those few that go down, but sometimes I think it's mainly because they have lost backlinks.

                                                I'm testing a few though. I'm seeing if they keep their PR after the private reg lapses after a year, and then they become a non-private registration. In which thus far they haven't lost their PR.
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                                                • Profile picture of the author dadoc
                                                  Originally Posted by Don Warren View Post

                                                  I would have to say that about 90% of the domains I buy and private register keep their PR. There are those few that go down, but sometimes I think it's mainly because they have lost backlinks.

                                                  I'm testing a few though. I'm seeing if they keep their PR after the private reg lapses after a year, and then they become a non-private registration. In which thus far they haven't lost their PR.
                                                  When building a network it makes sense to keep them private so as their are no footprints. No registration in google webmaster tools or google analytics. So far I have stayed away from namejet and snapnames but I may throw $50-100 around there just to see how it goes.

                                                  As for private registration I use godaddy to register most of my domains, but I also have used namecheap and like the simple interface alot better and their privacy cost is alot cheaper too. I might transfer the domains there, but transferring out to a different registrar is a big pain in the rear when I have done it in the past.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Bofu2U
                                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                          Thats incorrect . Yes Google will do some association as best they can but they are not the same. Even your example proves it

                                          search for SEO and then search for "search engine optimization".

                                          You will see that though there are similarities the first pages has differences that very clearly demonstrate they are not the same search result

                                          Further proof is when you actually do the search for

                                          Stop Online Piracy Act

                                          Notice how much further up the same PR7 page ranks. Thats proof positive that they are not seen as the same search and the PR7 is more relevant for the actual words on the page and in the title.
                                          True. Keep in mind when I (and I should have defined it better) was talking about interchangeable it still has to take on-page into account, and the %'s being weighed - that's why the top 10 doesn't match.

                                          And I shouldn't have said interchangeable, should have stuck with related.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jokyv
    what you need is :

    At least 2-3PR blogs
    Hosting each blog to unique IP address
    Different themes for each blog
    NO adsense or google analytics to each blog otherwise they can find your entire network with just one search!
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  • Profile picture of the author Taffle
    Could one argue that for an existing network with several PR4-6's in place, the best investment is in very aged PR 2-3's that are much cheaper and less bid competitive?

    Not trying to steal your thread here man, but you are right. The prices are getting high, and it seems like making PR5's is much more efficient than buying them.

    Any experience/experiments on funneling PR juice with respect to aged domains? I came across a very old PR6 for sale and all of its backlinks were from PR4's and lower. It seemed to stand out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Taffle View Post

      Could one argue that for an existing network with several PR4-6's in place, the best investment is in very aged PR 2-3's that are much cheaper and less bid competitive?
      PR4s are probably the best now and I would say PR5s too. Pr 3 sometimes go for prices that would be comparable to good deals on PR4s. PR2s are good for training with but not alot of juice. Very aged really doesn't matter as much as the Pr and the links

      it seems like making PR5's is much more efficient than buying them.
      There are ways but I wouldn't say its efficient. Combine buying and making is the best and most efficient way of going .
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  • Profile picture of the author BigNorm
    Pay Mike a butt load of money and ask him to build you a network .....in the long run it would probably end up cheaper.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by BigNorm View Post

      Pay Mike a butt load of money and ask him to build you a network .....in the long run it would probably end up cheaper.
      Norm for you I will package it up as a $47, $97, $197 or $297 package or some other ending in 7 figure that warriors need to have ending a price or they won't buy.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigNorm
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Norm for you I will package it up as a $47, $97, $197 or $297 package or some other ending in 7 figure that warriors need to have ending a price or they won't buy.
        Don't forget the OTO for triple the price for, may as well get em while their hot!
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    There's one big problem with these old PR domains. The PR is a result of aged links and an aged domain.

    The aged links are generally from a decent, edited page that passes PR. That's why it seems like buying older domains is a better idea.

    That said, the internet is changing. You can't really count on links from 2006 staying in place forever. Imagine, if you will, a new webmaster of an old site finds the domain the page links to now links to a 'blog' with lots of crappy posts.

    They take down the link.

    The PR falls to 0.

    Your investment has either been recovered, or you lost money.

    So always ask yourself how much you'd be willing to pay for the domain if it lost it's juice on the next PR update. Most of the time, $600 will be out of the question.
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  • Profile picture of the author slickymedia
    A PR6 $400 is a good price already because when the domain expires the PR usually goes down as time passes by. The longer it is parked then the domain will do down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gunpal5
    Hi,

    What about Blog Commenting? It can give you many High PR backlinks for free.

    There is a good tool available in WSO i.e. Backlinks Kicker, which can help you in getting your desired PR backlinks, It can also backlink to high authority blogs with .gov and .edu domains.

    Regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Gunpal5 View Post

      Hi,

      What about Blog Commenting? It can give you many High PR backlinks for free.
      No real comparison to your own network links. Most comments like what you are talking about are auto placed and deleted by mods, no followed or high OBLed.

      People actually think they get a PR5 link by placing a link on a PR5 page with 200-1,000 other links. By the time that link is divided up it may be pretty close to a PR 0 link.
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      • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        No real comparison to your own network links. Most comments like what you are talking about are auto placed and deleted by mods, no followed or high OBLed.

        People actually think they get a PR5 link by placing a link on a PR5 page with 200-1,000 other links. By the time that link is divided up it may be pretty close to a PR 0 link.
        Yeah, low out bound links are something to definitely to consider. That's why I don't like buying high PR blog comments. Those PR7 pages usually have 200 - 300+ comments.

        Interesting what you said about dropped domains. I am still testing this.
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      • Profile picture of the author olamilekan2
        Learning a lot here than in some WSO, i planned to build my own private High PR Network starting from March and the information here comes handy. Thanks to the OP and others
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by olamilekan2 View Post

          Learning a lot here than in some WSO, i planned to build my own private High PR Network starting from March and the information here comes handy. Thanks to the OP and others
          For some reason of all the subjects I have seen discussed here people say that of this subject and Yukon's threads on adsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author amarketing
    What do you mean by "private register"? Are you talking about registering domains with whois protection?

    Thanks a lot for clarifying!
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    • Profile picture of the author Don Warren
      Originally Posted by dadoc View Post

      When building a network it makes sense to keep them private so as their are no footprints. No registration in google webmaster tools or google analytics. So far I have stayed away from namejet and snapnames but I may throw $50-100 around there just to see how it goes.

      As for private registration I use godaddy to register most of my domains, but I also have used namecheap and like the simple interface alot better and their privacy cost is alot cheaper too. I might transfer the domains there, but transferring out to a different registrar is a big pain in the rear when I have done it in the past.
      I have had good luck getting good dropped domains from NameJet. But when you do that your domain registrars are going to be either Network Solutions or enomCentral. And let me tell you, their domain renewal fees are in fact INSANE! $35 for each domain renewal. Thank god that's only 1 time a year!

      I do have most than a few domains with GoDaddy, but that's because I bought them in bulk from someone who was building a high PR network and then gave up. But I'm sure it helps to have a network with domains from different registrars. It hides the footprint as well.

      Originally Posted by amarketing View Post

      What do you mean by "private register"? Are you talking about registering domains with whois protection?

      Thanks a lot for clarifying!
      Yes I am. Private registering your High PR domains is the best thing you can do right after you buy them. Or else there's a high chance that you will lose the PR.
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      • Profile picture of the author dadoc
        Originally Posted by Don Warren View Post

        I have had good luck getting good dropped domains from NameJet. But when you do that your domain registrars are going to be either Network Solutions or enomCentral. And let me tell you, their domain renewal fees are in fact INSANE! $35 for each domain renewal. Thank god that's only 1 time a year!

        I do have most than a few domains with GoDaddy, but that's because I bought them in bulk from someone who was building a high PR network and then gave up. But I'm sure it helps to have a network with domains from different registrars. It hides the footprint as well.



        Yes I am. Private registering your High PR domains is the best thing you can do right after you buy them. Or else there's a high chance that you will lose the PR.
        Why not transfer the domains to other registrars that charge the normal $10 or so yearly renewal? I know its a pain but will save you money in the long run.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
        Originally Posted by Don Warren View Post

        registrars are going to be either Network Solutions or enomCentral. And let me tell you, their domain renewal fees are in fact INSANE! $35 for each domain renewal.
        Enom is a bit cheaper than networksolutions, at ~$20/year.

        My main issue is Network Solutions forces you to show your name for registration, as 'privacy' only hides the address. I suppose you could use a business name, but then they're still all connected with that info.

        Seems like you're not transferring these out for your network--seeing no side effects from that?

        How are others here handling this?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Bryan V View Post


          How are others here handling this?
          Transfer out. no reason to stay put.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dames Jean
    There's lots of great info in this thread. I'm going to have to dig through it again to digest it all. Great tip about private registering high pr domains to keep the PR up.
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    • Profile picture of the author limestone614
      Here is my Two Penneth.

      Pagerank is not important for SERPS, not at all, but I agree it looks nice.
      PR3 or better and I am happy, but it is not important for SERPS position.

      Pagerank does allow you to sell Blogroll links and the sort, and get fairly reasonable money too, a PR3 blogroll link is an easy $5 / month.

      6 on a site, $30 / month = $1 /day.

      500 sites...

      Anyway, I can tell you from experience, it is content that counts the most, followed by the content on the sites that link to you, and that it turn link to them.

      Otherwise called relevance.

      I have so far built about 140 sites for a number of clients, each is interconnected to the others by Google Analytics and Webmaster Tools and many are monitized with Asense, all using the same code.

      So Google knows.. Without doubt that the sites are part of a network.

      Amazingly, only the sites with good content rank in search....

      All the sites are under 9 months old and some of them are on page 1 for some pretty good searches and given these are for SEO primarily that tells a story in itself.

      However, even the poor sites definately provide SEO benefits, it is easy to see as we are targeting different keywords from different "groups" of domains.

      So it depends on what you want, if you want to sell links then you really want Pagerank because it make the links easier to sell. But if you want SEO benefit from the network then go for content, the pagerank will come on its own.

      As for buying sites with Pagerank, I guess that's ok if you research the domain and it's the right price, but in my experience, pagerank can be built to PR3/4 pretty easily within 90 days for about $100, so why pay more for it.

      I would prefer a niche related, PR0 with 100 relevant backlinks than a PR5 that isn't related.

      I can build a niche related PR0 with 100 backlinks for $100 very quickly.

      I use xMarkpro for the backend management, it makes domain setup almost 1 click, automatically adds the cPanel Addon domain, installs Wordpress or your custom site, plugins, theme, even posts and pages.

      Couple of clicks.

      $100 would cover, domain, hosting, content and some carefully selected backlinks.

      Then just post on the site once a week, odd link here and there, relevant, (not forgetting you can anchor links from the rest of the network if they're relevant, and wait.

      If the content is any good, links will come for free.

      Don't know if that helps, I hope it does, but it really depends on what you want the network for.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post



        pagerank can be built to PR3/4 pretty easily within 90 days for about $100, so why pay more for it.
        Theres some things in your post that are solid and some that is just way off. yes you can build up PR to sites but the "pretty easily" ways of doing it tend not to last. Basically alot of those services just blast comments on blogs with PR and the deletion and nofollow rate on that is way too high to last.

        I would prefer a niche related, PR0 with 100 relevant backlinks than a PR5 that isn't related.
        umm I'll take the PR5 and use it to get all kinds of relevant higher PR links I want to any site I want

        If the content is any good, links will come for free.
        The if you build it they will come approach is no universal rule for the same reason that really good trees that would make really good furniture fall in forrest everyday without anyone being aware of them falling.

        To me building a PR 0 site for $100 is way over paying
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  • Profile picture of the author amarketing
    Pagerank does allow you to sell Blogroll links and the sort, and get fairly reasonable money too, a PR3 blogroll link is an easy $5 / month.

    6 on a site, $30 / month = $1 /day.

    500 sites...
    Is it seriously that easy?! Something tells me it's not. I mean, according to your estimates, you would need 3000 people paying you $30 a month in order to make that $500 a day (6 links on a site times 500 sites). I would think that it would be very hard to be able to get 3000 people to pay $30 a month a on a consistent basis.

    However, I could totally be wrong and this could be a very realistic thing. Were you serious when you posted that, or were you pretty much poking fun at the "backlink selling" business model?

    Anyone else who is experienced on this can feel free to lend their input as well.

    Thanks a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
      Originally Posted by amarketing View Post

      ...you would need 3000 people paying you $30 a month in order to make that $500 a day...
      Sounds like a nightmare unless you have automated software to handle all link adding, anchor text changes, transferring links from dead domains, cancelled subs.
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      • Profile picture of the author nacke81
        Originally Posted by Bryan V View Post

        Sounds like a nightmare unless you have automated software to handle all link adding, anchor text changes, transferring links from dead domains, cancelled subs.
        I've always wondered if a piece of software exists that can manage the links in a link network. I've heard that some people use AMR to post content to their private blog network, but that doesn't explain how you would REMOVE links when people stop paying for their subscription.

        Does such a software exist? Or is everyone that runs a private link network like homepagebacklinks doing the update manually every month. That would suck!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nacke81 View Post

          I've always wondered if a piece of software exists that can manage the links in a link network. I've heard that some people use AMR to post content to their private blog network, but that doesn't explain how you would REMOVE links when people stop paying for their subscription
          Don't need to. Most of these services put you on the home page for a short time. They just post some more articles on the page and eventually your links roll right off to some where the search engine rarely go to
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  • Profile picture of the author darkmana
    Hi Mike

    I think you are expert about building High PR network.
    So I look at you website but it show sold out. T_T

    I just started open the website for SEO service in my country.
    So I need to have my private network and it should powerful. So I need expert to help.

    PM your e-mail to me. I will send the details to you. Hope you are interesting to contact me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by darkmana View Post

      Hi Mike

      I think you are expert about building High PR network.
      So I look at you website but it show sold out. T_T
      PM your e-mail to me. I will send the details to you. Hope you are interesting to contact me.

      PM sent but if for any reason you have access issues with your Pm just click the contact link and the email address for the advanced training and automatic network is right there
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  • Profile picture of the author giseo
    Use some dropped domain lists and services. Can find some gems there.
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