Is SOPA a death of PPC???

dburk 14 years ago

Hi BizzCLick,

SOPA will indeed have catastrophic effects on a broad spectrum of websites. The main effect will be that many websites will go behind a "walled garden" members only environment. A substantial portion of those that don't will simply shut down and disappear. Essentially you will have only government owned and controlled websites in the USA, or private members only websites.

I'm not sure what effect it will have on advertising, only that it will be very negative due to the high costs and regulatory requirements that every website operator will be forced to comply with.

The number of ISPs will shrink, the number blogs, forums and web 2.0 properties will shrink. Social networking sites will be shuttered and overall use of the web inside the USA will be oppressed.

While I support the stated goal of SOPA, the collateral damage to the web will be catastrophic and I would loathe the passing of that ill conceived bill.

The activity that the bill targets is already illegal, they don't need a new law that makes honest ethical practices illegal or prohibited due to regulatory burden. If it passes say goodbye to most of your favorite websites.
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yukon

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I doubt that Google, MS, or any other billion dollar business would ever allow PPC to stop, until they are ready for it to stop.

Big business is what gets people elected into gov. office. Without big money anyone running for office will never get far.

BTW, I've been seeing a lot of PPC Ads currently running political campaigns.

You ever see a poor guy get elected as president (not gonna happen)?

I don't want to turn this into a political debate, just saying Google, MS, etc... would never allow PPC to stop.

Billion dollar business control a lot of what happens in this world, not just in the US.

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BizzCLick

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I doubt that Google, MS, or any other billion dollar business would ever allow PPC to stop, until they are ready for it to stop.

Big business is what gets people elected into gov. office. Without big money anyone running for office will never get far.

Billion dollar business control a lot of what happens in this world, not just in the US.

Completely agree with you!
You said that big businessmen are involved in governement. But what if this big business is not for PPC and privacy in the web? What if it is more powerful than Google, MS, or any other billion dollar business in the web?

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outwest

14 years ago

The US congress was quietly voting on SOPA and nobody really complained , so it was on the way to quickly passing under the radar

now that SOPA day a few days ago with all the blackouts and news coverage? Congress got BLASTED with 10s, 100s of thousands of calls and emails and now they decided hmm maybe we should rewrite this bill or just shelve it ,

SOPA I feel in the way it was written, is dead now, It must either be rewritten, or it will never even be brought up for a vote
The vote next week that was scheduled? It has now been put off, ...........

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by outwest

The US congress was quietly voting on SOPA and nobody really complained , so it was on the way to quickly passing under the radar

now that SOPA day a few days ago with all the blackouts and news coverage? Congress got BLASTED with 10s, 100s of thousands of calls and emails and now they decided hmm maybe we should rewrite this bill or just shelve it ,

SOPA I feel in the way it was written, is dead now, It must either be rewritten, or it will never even be brought up for a vote
The vote next week that was scheduled? It has now been put off, ...........

That is what they said about the health care bill, yet they rammed it through even though 85% of the population strongly opposed it. America is no longer a free nation it now has a dictator and is controlled by an oligarchy. Whole entire industries are being taken over by the oligarchy controlled government and thousands of businesses are wiped out as industry by industry is being nationalized.

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outwest

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

That is what they said about the health care bill, yet they rammed it through even though 85% of the population strongly opposed it. America is no longer a free nation it now has a dictator and is controlled by an oligarchy. Whole entire industries are being taken over by the oligarchy controlled government and thousands of businesses are wiped out as industry by industry is being nationalized.

the reason that was happening with the Healthcare bill is
OBAMA wanted it, it was his baby

Obama has publicly stated he will NOT support SOPA

hopefully that means the same thing wont happen as with the healthcare

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by outwest

the reason that was happening with the Healthcare bill is
OBAMA wanted it, it was his baby

Obama has publicly stated he will NOT support SOPA

hopefully that means the same thing wont happen as with the healthcare

I hope you are right, but I believe Obama, will say what he needs to say while campaigning for reelection this year.

When he ran for office he came to Florida and said he wouldn't cut NASA jobs, not only did he layoff thousands of workers he also ended America's manned space program, appointed a new head of NASA and changed the mission to be a Muslim outreach program.

It took months for the health care debacle to get rammed through and many politicians swore they wouldn't vote for it, yet it passed despite overwhelming opposition by the American people.

What concerns me is that it is the exact same group of people that crammed the socialist health care industry takeover are the proponents of this new socialist Internet industry takeover. The Government is gradually seizing all private property, industry by industry. But, hey it's all for our own good, right?

I used to think things like this could never happen in America, but after having 2 highly successful businesses that I owned shuttered after government industry takeovers during that past 3 years, I feel it is just a matter of time before the government first restricts, then nationalizes the Internet industry. With each industry takeover they become more powerful and more bold. Now I know what it was like to be a German citizen in the 1930s.

I don't like seeing America end like this, where in the world can we go to be free?

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by NY1

A couple of points about this and one of your other posts.

One: 85% of America was not strongly opposed to the Health Care bill. At the beginning, over 60 % were FOR IT. After the scare ads, death panel BS and all that, then it swayed over the 50 % line opposed, but it never hit 85%.

"According to a Gallup poll taken March 4-7, weeks before the final votes, 48 percent of Americans said they would advise their representative to vote against an Obama health-care reform measure with 45 percent saying they'd advise a favorable vote. At the time, Gallup said the result confirmed "the generally divided nature of public opinion on health care legislation.

From our sampling: A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll taken March 19-21 asked individuals if they generally favored or opposed the health care plan then awaiting final action. The tally: 39 percent in favor, 59 percent against and 2 percent with no opinion. A Bloomberg poll taken those same days found 38 percent of respondents in favor, 50 percent opposed and 12 percent not sure.

Some other polls showed a narrower approval/disapproval gap. A Quinnipiac University poll taken March 22-23 found 40 percent mostly approving of the health care system changes just passed by Congress, 49 percent mostly disapproving and 11 percent not knowing or answering."

Source: Politifact.com

Two: Love it how when a Republican Congressman brings forward a bill, the blame still goes to Obama.

Congressman Lamar Smith | 21st District of Texas

Three: Do not trivialize the rise of Hitler and the genocide of 6 million Jewish people by trying to compare your business problems to them. Both my grandfathers earned their Purple Hearts in WW2. You do them a disservice when you make this illogical comparison. You do NOT know what it was like to be a German citizen during that period of time. Get over yourself.

Introduction to the Holocaust

Four: Learn the definition of a dictatorship and an oligarchy before you use them in a sentence. You already used them wrongly in one of your posts above. If anything, America was more of an Oligarchy at the turn of the 20th century than it is now.

Dictatorship | Define Dictatorship at Dictionary.com

Oligarchy | Define Oligarchy at Dictionary.com

Five: Socialism and Fascism are NOT the same things. Do not interchange them as though they are. Either this is a socialist takeover or a fascist one. It cannot be both. They are violently opposed to one another. Germany and Russia were not on the same side in WW2.

Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com

Fascism | Define Fascism at Dictionary.com

Six: Education removes the need for fear. Educate yourself.

Before you get tempted to use a lazy strawman argument in there, I am opposed to SOPA. At the same time, I am opposed to ignorance just as much.

Hi NY1,

The funny thing about polls is that how you frame the question influences the way people answer. Those media outlets were open proponents of the disastrous health care bill and they didn't ask if people supported a govenment takeover of 1/5th of the economy. Other polls that asked that question had very high opposition.

Don't get all "holier than thou" with me, it is you that is making those Hitler comparisons. I referred to a period of time before those events. So I think you should apologize for such an egregious accusation. I was referring to a period of time and place where Statism swept a country. If you look at history you find that really bad things happen each time a country embraces Statism (as you pointed out in that same country during a slightly later period).

America is still in the earliest stages of embracing Statism so the really bad stuff will come in the next decade. Perhaps people like you will be scoffing at comparing anything as bad as the state of the world during the Post-American period.

You seemed to be in need of a History lesson. It was the National Socialist German Worker's Party that rose to power in Germany and became Allied with the Nation Fascist Party in Italy. So your assertion about Socialists and Fascist was totally wrong. The Russians were controlled by Communist at that time, which is a particularly violent form of Socialism, however the Communists, the Socialists and the Fascist all have one thing in common they are all slightly different forms of Statism, with the main differences being their philosophy of how to achieve the same end, Statism.

Socialism, Fascism and Communism are just different paths that lead to Statism. It is Statism that leads to the type of atrocities that you brought up in your reply. Every time in human history that Statism has been achieved the world experienced terrible atrocities as a direct result. How dare you minimize those atrocities. And to ask free people to accept Statism is perhaps the most evil path one could suggest.

I really got a kick out of your bogus Straw man comment. What was especially humorous is that you injected multiply "straw man" arguments and closed with an accusation that I used a straw man. Hilarious!

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

This here (link) is the type of sites that they want removed (and for good reason).

The Feds. pulled the plug on the download site yesterday.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

This here (link) is the type of sites that they want removed (and for good reason).

The Feds. pulled the plug on the download site yesterday.

Yes, We can all agree that sites like that should be shut down, but does that mean that you are willing to have you ISP rates double, all your websites blocked because you ISP can't take the risk, and the only ISP in town that will allow you to access those sites wants 10 times what you pay now and requires you to post a $10,000 bond?

That bill will make the regulatory costs of a maintaining a website go sky high. Sites like Wikipedia and this very forum will be shuttered or relocated out of this country and access blocked. It's like killing the spider-mites on your marigolds with a nuclear bomb. It'll definitely take out those nasty spider-mites, so let's do it, right?

It isn't the stated intent of the bill that I have a problem with, it is the extreme overkill methods that will take out a million legitimate websites for each illegitimate website it intends to target.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Why would I want to pay more money for anything?

I don't support the bill, so I'm not sure where your going with this?

I do support taking down sites that only purpose for existing is to steal from others (illegal download sites).

You can pretty much bet that bill won't pass before the next president is voted into office.

That bill is a campaign killer.

Originally Posted by dburk

Yes, We can all agree that sites like that should be shut down, but does that mean that you are willing to have you ISP rates double, all your websites blocked because you ISP can't take the risk, and the only ISP in town that will allow you to access those sites wants 10 times what you pay now and requires you to post a $10,000 bond?

That bill will make the regulatory costs of a maintaining a website go sky high. Sites like Wikipedia and this very forum will be shuttered or relocated out of this country and access blocked. It's like killing the spider-mites on your marigolds with a nuclear bomb. It'll definitely take out those nasty spider-mites, so let's do it, right?

It isn't the stated intent of the bill that I have a problem with, it is the extreme overkill methods that will take out a million legitimate websites for each illegitimate website it intends to target.

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thetrafficguy

14 years ago

I don't think it will. I think there will be many problems involved in applying this.

And it won't be easy to apply to PPC. I think it will be used to remove websites and domains.

My main concern on SOPA is is more about theory.

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Maraun

14 years ago

You should also keep in mind that while the bill might me dead, the interests that pushed the bill are still there. So we will likely see other attempts to pass similar legislation in the future.

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outwest

14 years ago

Funny how all the hollywood crybaby studios are saying they will fight this now, with a 3 million dollar ad campaign

on a state level thats a lot of ads
on a natl level thats absolutely nothing

its one 30 sec super bowl ad if you want to look at it that way

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John Williamson

14 years ago

Agreed. Judging by the amount of emails and phone calls to representatives I've seen, these bills won't pass. Many of their original supporters have since switched sides to oppose the bills.

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jeannaej

14 years ago

If a publishes deals with adult raffic, so it is a death, yeah. But I dont believe that SOPA has any chances to survive

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Maraun

14 years ago

Wow man, facts with sources. A rare treat

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rain21

14 years ago

I think it won't affect PPC badly.
Maybe SOPA won't even come to action, let's see !!

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paulgl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BizzCLick

What do you think about it? Does Sopa have a global influence on PPC? Will PPC industry survive?

SOPA, although it's dead, is not global. It's about US law, and any
country that may have agreements with the US. Those
countries are on a very short list. The only reason the US was
able to shut megaupload, is that one or two lousy servers were
on American soil.

We, in the US, need to come to grips that the rest of the world
largely ignores US law, as far as the internet goes. It is true
the US controls and runs the internet to some extent, owns it
maybe, but that does not mean "the internet" as whole is ever
controlled fully by the US. It's not.

I don't think many here have a clue that US law does not dictate
what people in China, Turkey, India, Russia, and other countries
do with the online community. Kind of funny when you think
about it. Someone mentioned adult sites being shut down.
That is funny. Because many countries have already banned them
and censor the internet. But adult sites in the US being shut down
has nothing to do with sites based elsewhere. The fact that
it has nothing to do with adult sites, is even more clue that
people are clueless.

People just don't read, panic, or believe things they don't take
the time to understand. Or toss logic out the window.

In fact, the OP is from the UK. Absolutely nothing to do with SOPA
and PPC for all things. But then we look at the sig, and we know
the rest of the story...

Paul

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BizzCLick

14 years ago

Thanks, Paul, for being so convincing

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fetamy

14 years ago

Google is also protesting for SOPA and PIPA. Wikipedia and other sits to.
This bill has passed to secure the intellectual property of website specially music, film sites. Content is is the intellectual property of a website so another website need permission to use it further.

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addyj672

14 years ago

We have some website host on US servers and after SOPA (uncertain) situation thinking about moving the hosting services to another country. Similarly maybe all the foreign companies which hosted website in America will move to another country...

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