Added Clickbank Product To Site -- Google Suspended Adwords Account

12 years ago

I really don't care much about being suspended, because the adwords bought me little revenue, but I fear Google will blacklist my site.

You mean Adsense?

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lastreporter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

You mean Adsense?

No, adwords. I didn't get many sales generated by adwords.

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lastreporter

12 years ago

I appealed and explained why my site didn't violate Google's terms. Here is the reply I just got:

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Hello xxxx
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, but unfortunately we cannot provide any further assistance in this matter. Google's primary objective is to provide safe, relevant experiences for our users. The decision to suspend your account was made after careful review of your account and the low quality landing page experiences promoted through your ads.

As you may recall, the Terms and Conditions to which you agreed to when you signed up for AdWords state that Google reserves the right to disable any ads when deemed necessary. You can review these Terms and Conditions here: https://adwords.google.com/select/tsandcsfinder.

Again, we're sorry for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,

xxxxx
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

I appealed and explained why my site didn't violate Google's terms. Here is the reply I just got:

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Hello xxxx
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, but unfortunately we cannot provide any further assistance in this matter. Google's primary objective is to provide safe, relevant experiences for our users. The decision to suspend your account was made after careful review of your account and the low quality landing page experiences promoted through your ads.

As you may recall, the Terms and Conditions to which you agreed to when you signed up for AdWords state that Google reserves the right to disable any ads when deemed necessary. You can review these Terms and Conditions here: https://adwords.google.com/select/tsandcsfinder.

Again, we're sorry for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,

xxxxx
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There is no reason to believe they'll blacklist your site from the SERPs at all. They are always suspending accounts and usually it's automatic with no human involvement.

They have their finger on the trigger to suspend adwords accounts but if you have a good and informative site your SE rankings should not change.

If you need to use PPC just move on to Advertising Center or another PPC network or just concentrate on solid SEO to improve traffic, or both.

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Kylerichards86

12 years ago

Tell that the support i am sure they will help you. Ask them if you are on a blaccklist or whatever

they are only humans too ...

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lastreporter 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kylerichards86

Tell that the support i am sure they will help you. Ask them if you are on a blaccklist or whatever they are only humans too ...

I don't get the joke. What I'm asking is this. If you site is suspended by adwords does it affect your google ranking? Do they blacklist your site -- it's a term of speech.
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- rooze 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by lastreporter
  
  What I'm asking is this. If you site is suspended by adwords does it affect your google ranking? Do they blacklist your site -
  
  I doubt that the staff in the adwords department can press a button and have your site removed from google index. They're two separate divisions of a large company.
  However, they probably do have a way of triggering a manual review across departments, so if someone feels strongly against something on your website they could notify the spam team.
  Also, if the adwords team consider something to be thin content and unworthy of ad placement, then it's likely that the google algorithm would come to the same conclusion without manual intervention, and 'reward' the website with low SERP's to begin with.
  
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Green Diamond

12 years ago

You may apply to recheck it...last time I had similar problem in one of my accounts. I submitted an application & it worked.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

Warriors,

I recently added about 4 quality links to clickbank products to my site and within 48 hours my adwords account was suspended. I really don't care much about being suspended, because the adwords bought me little revenue, but I fear Google will blacklist my site.

Am I wrong in thinking this way?

I appreciate your thoughts and similar experiences.

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Hello Last reporter, the good news is from what you have read is that you placed those links on your site, and as such and in keeping with the suspension email sent from google you may apply to have the suspension removed from your account.

That will be the best course of action, you may not want to use adwords right now but there may be some time in the future that you do want to use it.

To fix this first open dialog with adwords and explain that you wish to fix any problems then resubmit the site for approval and also ask for any clarification on what the problem is.

That said we know the problem is the clickbank sites and regardless about your thoughts on if they are OK or not and if indeed they are or not, the fact is google does not think they are OK and such they make the last call.

Yes there is a for better words a black list of sites that if you hook up to your sites with adwords it will go bam, this would be the sites you linked to over and above your site.

So start the communication, remove those links then resubmit your site for approval and have the suspension lifted.

There is no 100% guarantee that the above will happen but in most cases you should be fine, all the best moving forward.

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lastreporter 12 years ago

Thanks. I guess clickbank has to go.
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- ryanman 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by lastreporter
  
  Thanks. I guess clickbank has to go.
  
  Is it the website in your signature link?
  
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rangevolk

12 years ago

Your Adwords Account can not affect your ranking in the Google search.

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sloanjim

12 years ago

No....you aRE SUSPENDED FROM aDWORDS THOUGH. yOUR SITE WILL STILL RANK.

That's G for you....I mean why coiuldn't they at least warn you first? I was with them 5 years promoting my own product before they changed their T.O.S. to say my product was no longer welcome...banned me. I am afraid with the Net we are treated like crap by these big companies.

G, is gettnin so finicky past 3 years what is going to be left? They don't like this and that.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

No....you aRE SUSPENDED FROM aDWORDS THOUGH. yOUR SITE WILL STILL RANK.

That's G for you....I mean why coiuldn't they at least warn you first? I was with them 5 years promoting my own product before they changed their T.O.S. to say my product was no longer welcome...banned me. I am afraid with the Net we are treated like crap by these big companies.

G, is gettnin so finicky past 3 years what is going to be left? They don't like this and that.

I agree. They are treating me like a criminal. They accuse and act, but never specifically tell you what you did wrong. You are correct, we are pawns to them. They hold a near monopoly.

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Cassidy

12 years ago

I guess the thing to takeaway from this is not to use any links to clickbank on any of our sites using adwords to deliver traffic.

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lastreporter

12 years ago

I didn't realize clickbank could affect your standing with google. I mean, I hear clickbank being touted here day and night! It is all very confusing. I am relatively new to IM.

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Heuristic

12 years ago

One thing you failed to do is mask your clickbank links. I know it is too little too late now, but their bots probably picked up the hop.clickbank.com url in your links. You should have linked to a dummy page on your site with a redirect to the clickbank product. Though even this is no guarantee you won't get banned.

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lastreporter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Heuristic

One thing you failed to do is mask your clickbank links. I know it is too little too late now, but their bots probably picked up the hop.clickbank.com url in your links. You should have linked to a dummy page on your site with a redirect to the clickbank product. Though even this is no guarantee you won't get banned.

I guess I am just naive or too new to IM. Why is Google so dead set against Click Bank?

I mean, I really carefully chose the products I placed -- they were first rate how-to writing e-books, no get-rich-quick.

I wish I had known Google has such contempt for click bank. It is quite confusing to say the least.

I see Google pages and YouTube pages using Adsense that advertises all kinds of junk, yet they ban me?

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TestiVar 12 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

I guess I am just naive or too new to IM. Why is Google so dead set against Click Bank?

Seriously? You really have to ask that question?

Do you really think it is just Google?
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- lastreporter 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TestiVar
  
  Seriously? You really have to ask that question?
  
  Do you really think it is just Google?
  
  I don't know? Why don't you enlighten me?
  
  Are you saying every product sold by click bank is a rip-off? If so, what do you base your analysis on?
  
  I am not using them now because of my bad experience with Google. But, other warriors tout click bank and the products I chose were good.
  
  So, I really your help in clarifying with some specifics.
  
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IMBotz

12 years ago

Stay away from Google Adwords until you are more experienced. Its not worth dealing with them when you are still new. They are ban happy when it comes to affiliates using Adwords!

Learn about lower tier PPC networks and PPV traffic as well.

Good luck!

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lastreporter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by IMBotz

Stay away from Google Adwords until you are more experienced. Its not worth dealing with them when you are still new. They are ban happy when it comes to affiliates using Adwords!

Learn about lower tier PPC networks and PPV traffic as well.

Good luck!

Thanks for the advice. I will follow it.

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GlorLyn 12 years ago

Hello, I am new to IM as well and got my AdWords account suspended but currently working to get reinstated. What I found is that they don't have a problem with Clickbank, per se, because you can have products in your sidebar. What they have a problem with is landing pages that gather information by offering a free product then once the person enters their information they are directed to a products page. By me being new and naive and listening to other people (youtube, more experienced IMs) that was how my site was set up. After getting suspended I then changed the landing page to a blog page without any products but had a separate products page. They didn't like that either. I have two sites, one they accept but the other they won't. I'm just thinking about not using Adwords on that account at all and let the other site remain.
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GlorLyn 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Cassidy

I guess the thing to takeaway from this is not to use any links to clickbank on any of our sites using adwords to deliver traffic.

Sorry...my post was in reponse to this
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markhere

12 years ago

I had a SEO Service related website ranking well on organic results. Than I decided to advertise my site through adwords, my account went under a review process and not only did they ban my adwords account but also banned my site on organic search! They said selling services spamming social networks (bookmarks, web2.0 etc) is against their TOS.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by markhere

I had a SEO Service related website ranking well on organic results. Than I decided to advertise my site through adwords, my account went under a review process and not only did they ban my adwords account but also banned my site on organic search! They said selling services spamming social networks (bookmarks, web2.0 etc) is against their TOS.

That's what I am talking about. They have a total monopoly and can kill your business in a second.

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Fixers

12 years ago

Yeah with Adwords they are a bit of a PITA!! They don't seem to like to link to sites that have lots of clickbank affiliate links. They used to do it and allow you to link directly to the affiliates but those days are long gone!!

Your site will be fine, have heard this affecting things if you have Adsense on the site but marketing with Adwords shouldn't touch it. Try moving on to facebook ads as they are working well.

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TestiVar

12 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

I recently added about 4 quality links to clickbank products to my site and within 48 hours my adwords account was suspended.

How can you have a "quality" link to a Clickbank product? That doesn't make any sense.

It is nice to hear that Google is finally following their own policies and getting rid of the scams in their Adwords system.

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lastreporter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

How can you have a "quality" link to a Clickbank product? That doesn't make any sense.

It is nice to hear that Google is finally following their own policies and getting rid of the scams in their Adwords system.

I don't quite get your meaning. At least I hope I don't. The products were written by people who were involved in the nonprofit industry. The reports were guides to writing certain nonprofit proposals. They made no promises. They were very well done.

I searched all clickbank's products and came up with 4 quality reports for my niche.

Now, what is your point?

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lastreporter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

How can you have a "quality" link to a Clickbank product? That doesn't make any sense.

It is nice to hear that Google is finally following their own policies and getting rid of the scams in their Adwords system.

By the way, the product I was selling was by no means a scam. It was grant writing instruction from a grantwriter with a good reputation.

Now, why are you shooting from the hip?

Are you saying every clickbank product is a scam? What do you base this on?

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Daniel Evans 12 years ago

It's a mission to get back a locked adwords account, but the consolation is, it doesn't have a knock on effect on other Google services as far as I am aware - even Adsense accounts.

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JEasy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

How can you have a "quality" link to a Clickbank product? That doesn't make any sense.

It is nice to hear that Google is finally following their own policies and getting rid of the scams in their Adwords system.

Sorry, but you're an idiot.

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madison75074

12 years ago

I had the same thing happen to me, but my situation was almost comical. Google literally bugged me to death via email to use their free coupons to advertise on Google adwords. I have not used Google adwords in years because for my particular niche, I have not found their advertising to be that effective. I only used it because it was $100 in free advertising. I linked to a site that did have a well known reputable clickbank product in the fitness niche.
I received the same notification you did and was quite surprised mainly because the site I linked to has really good content as well. The funny part is about a week later I received an email wanting to know how I enjoyed my adwords experience with Google.
I just had to laugh. They bugged me to try adwords, banned me within 2 weeks and then had the nerve to ask me how I enjoyed it. You can not make this stuff up.

The ironic thing is that I get regular sales on this product from a Facebook fanpage that is linked to my site. Adwords has never come close to generating the amount of sales Facebook does for this product and the Fan Page is free.

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lastreporter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by madison75074

I had the same thing happen to me, but my situation was almost comical. Google literally bugged me to death via email to use their free coupons to advertise on Google adwords. I have not used Google adwords in years because for my particular niche, I have not found their advertising to be that effective. I only used it because it was $100 in free advertising. I linked to a site that did have a well known reputable clickbank product in the fitness niche.
I received the same notification you did and was quite surprised mainly because the site I linked to has really good content as well. The funny part is about a week later I received an email wanting to know how I enjoyed my adwords experience with Google.
I just had to laugh. They bugged me to try adwords, banned me within 2 weeks and then had the nerve to ask me how I enjoyed it. You can not make this stuff up.

The ironic thing is that I get regular sales on this product from a Facebook fanpage that is linked to my site. Adwords has never come close to generating the amount of sales Facebook does for this product and the Fan Page is free.

Your story is identical to mine! Google had been bugging me and gave me the $100 coupon. The results were terrible. But I figured I ad $50 to my account to have it and maybe use it in the future. That's when Google banned me and had to issue me a refund.

After that, the also sent me an email offering me free consultation on their adword service.

Google definitely have problems.

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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

Your account was not banned for Clickbank links. Really, it wasn't. And they, by no means, have a monopoly on PPC.

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lastreporter 12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

Your account was not banned for Clickbank links. Really, it wasn't. And they, by no means, have a monopoly on PPC.

I think it was because google referred the link in their email. Also, before I added clickbank, I had no problems.

But you are correct. Google is not the only game in town.
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kindsvater

12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

Your account was not banned for Clickbank links.

Actually, it was.

Using Adwords to link to ClickBank products has resulted in automatic bans for the last couple years.

It is, IMHO, fraud by Google to use vague language about linking quality without disclosing disclosing that certain sites / networks are determined by Google to meet that definition.

What it is for Google is an easy and effective way to weed out affiliate Internet marketers.

Will it affect the ranking of your websites?

Probably not.

On the other hand starting March 1st Google begins sharing data between its various services.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some retroactive use, just like Adwords will ban you today for a marketing campaign done 6 years ago.

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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Actually, it was.

Using Adwords to link to ClickBank products has resulted in automatic bans for the last couple years.

No, it hasn't. And that is not what OP was referring to anyway.

Folks....If you are a novice and are reading this post, do yourself a GIANT favor and stay away from AdWords. It is not for amateurs. You can get yourself into trouble quickly if you don't know what you are doing. They have zero tolerance for TOS infractions.

@OP: What Clickbank product were you promoting and what claims were you (or the CB landing page) making?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

No, it hasn't. And that is not what OP was referring to anyway.

Folks....If you are a novice and are reading this post, do yourself a GIANT favor and stay away from AdWords. It is not for amateurs. You can get yourself into trouble quickly if you don't know what you are doing. They have zero tolerance for TOS infractions.

@OP: What Clickbank product were you promoting and what claims were you (or the CB landing page) making?

As I said in an earlier post. I really seached clickbank and found a grant writing report written by a prominent grant writer that I wanted to sell to nonprofits. I already sell them similar books from Amazon.

So, I carefully chose only the best high-quality click-bank products for this niche. No promises were made in the products. They only promised to show others how to prepare a viable grant proposal.

For this I was banned.

Google never took the time to review the product. It preemptively canceled my account based on a link because it was from clickbank.

As far as being an amateur, I am new to IM via sites. But I have been making a full-time living selling ebooks on Amazon and Barnes and Noble.

The issue is that Google has a problem with clickbank. All I wanted to know is why isn't this general knowledge?

If I had known, I wouldn't have linked to clickbank. I chose clickbank because so many warriors on this site praise the company!

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wolfmmiii 12 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

All I wanted to know is why isn't this general knowledge?

Because it is not true.
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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

It preemptively canceled my account based on a link because it was from clickbank.

No they didn't. They killed you either because of the "product" you were linking to or "how" you were linking to it or due to "claims" being made.

You do not get banned simply for linking to ClickBank. Whoever is telling you that is giving you bad info.

Post Google's email (or PM it to me) and I'll tell you what it means.

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lastreporter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

No they didn't. They killed you either because of the "product" you were linking to or "how" you were linking to it or due to "claims" being made.

You do not get banned simply for linking to ClickBank. Whoever is telling you that is giving you bad info.

Post Google's email (or PM it to me) and I'll tell you what it means.

Here's the message I got from Google after I asked them why my account was suspended. As I said several times, the landing page on the grant writing book simply told them what experience the writer had in getting grants for nonprofits. He was a teacher himself. He made no claims that were outrageous.

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Hello xxxx
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, but unfortunately we cannot provide any further assistance in this matter. Google's primary objective is to provide safe, relevant experiences for our users. The decision to suspend your account was made after careful review of your account and the low quality landing page experiences promoted through your ads.

As you may recall, the Terms and Conditions to which you agreed to when you signed up for AdWords state that Google reserves the right to disable any ads when deemed necessary. You can review these Terms and Conditions here: https://adwords.google.com/select/tsandcsfinder.

Again, we're sorry for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,

xxxxx
The Google AdWords Team

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tryinhere

12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

No they didn't. They killed you either because of the "product" you were linking to or "how" you were linking to it or due to "claims" being made.

You do not get banned simply for linking to ClickBank. Whoever is telling you that is giving you bad info.

Post Google's email (or PM it to me) and I'll tell you what it means.

Well I will tell people that straight up, and I will say it based on personal experience of promoting into the multiple CB products for a very long time

We all agree that it is not click bank itself google targets that is stupid, but what there is, is a very very high incidence of low quality sites on click bank that do not meet googles terms

This is mainly due to the copy being used ( a lot of hype, or pertaining to everybody can do some thing / one definition of it )

And in addition low quality sites that do not have the correct site structure and navigation to support a good user experience.

Yes there are some sites on click bank that you could possibly run but these are very very few and far between if not nigh impossible to find

In addition to this CB itself still or at least did 12 months ago promote adwords as a viable option, which was crap even back then, it was like an ostrich with its head in the sand, the vendors for the better part all have creative telling people to use adwords / PPC as a method of marketing catching near every newbie that does not know the danger and there are vendors who even know about peoples adwords accounts being banned who still use creative to tell people to use PPC / adwords

That combined with many new people there just copying other peoples creative compounds the problem.

So yes as general rule 100% I would tell people at this stage and it has been for over 12 months that click bank and adwords is like oil and water and to never mix them.

Personally I would never touch CB with adwords again unless there was a major shift in the sun moon and stars, and for people who do want to dabble with the devil then please only ever link to CB through your own site so if it goes belly up like it has here you can fix it and re kindle your adwords account, if you direct link then its bam all over as you will have no hope in getting the vendor to even reply never alone fix any problems with their site.

/ * note @ wolfmmiii, I have huge respect for your talent here / adwords so this is not a personal reply but more based on a lot of work I have personally done in this area combined with having my account permanently suspended for promoting how to build a boat and then going through and getting my account back which was and is a rare thing / the real deal and whole 9 yards on this topic.

Make a wso that shows how its done and it will be an overnight best seller.

@ the op

Unfortunately for me, I am already banned from adwords.

please take 5 minutes to get your site reviewed after removing those links and have a shot at clearing that up. your call

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12 years ago

I can tell you what probably happened. It's against Adwords TOS to advertise what they call "bridge pages". Any landing page that has a link after preselling to the merchant site can be identified as a bridge page.

Google wants everything to happen on your site. That means whatever it is you are advertising needs to be accessed from the same domain name. If you are giving something for free or whatever action you want them to take, it all needs to happen on your site. As soon as you redirect somewhere else it could be identified as bridge page.

Big brands can get away with it and they do, but not the little guy. That's just how it works.

The best thing to do now on Adwords is to make yourself look like a brand

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by affhelper

I can tell you what probably happened. It's against Adwords TOS to advertise what they call "bridge pages". Any landing page that has a link after preselling to the merchant site can be identified as a bridge page.

Google wants everything to happen on your site. That means whatever it is you are advertising needs to be accessed from the same domain name. If you are giving something for free or whatever action you want them to take, it all needs to happen on your site. As soon as you redirect somewhere else it could be identified as bridge page.

Big brands can get away with it and they do, but not the little guy. That's just how it works.

The best thing to do now on Adwords is to make yourself look like a brand

Thanks. I think I see the light.

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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

Originally Posted by tryinhere

We all agree that it is not click bank itself google targets that is stupid, but what there is, is a very very high incidence of low quality sites on click bank that do not meet googles terms

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/ * note @ wolfmmiii, I have huge respect for your talent here / adwords so this is not a personal reply but more based on a lot of work I have personally done in this area combined with having my account permanently suspended for promoting how to build a boat and then going through and getting my account back which was and is a rare thing / the real deal and whole 9 yards on this topic.

Make a wso that shows how its done and it will be an overnight best seller.

I am in total agreement with your first point. That was exactly my point.

I appreciate your side note. I'm getting more and more requests for a WSO on the subject. My own sites, obviously, are my main concern. However, once I have some help trained to keep my own sites running, maybe I'll have some time to finally put something together.

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lastreporter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

I am in total agreement with your first point. That was exactly my point.

I appreciate your side note. I'm getting more and more requests for a WSO on the subject. My own sites, obviously, are my main concern. However, once I have some help trained to keep my own sites running, maybe I'll have some time to finally put something together.

If you get a chance look at the page that caused my adword account to be suspended indefinably.

In all honesty, I could find nothing wrong with it.

Here's the link: Grant Writing Course Shows You How To Get Your Share of Funding - Creating & Publishing Quality Content - Publisher of One

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davidh83

12 years ago

Originally Posted by tryinhere

Well I will tell people that straight up, and I will say it based on personal experience of promoting into the multiple CB products for a very long time

We all agree that it is not click bank itself google targets that is stupid, but what there is, is a very very high incidence of low quality sites on click bank that do not meet googles terms

This is mainly due to the copy being used ( a lot of hype, or pertaining to everybody can do some thing / one definition of it )

And in addition low quality sites that do not have the correct site structure and navigation to support a good user experience.

Yes there are some sites on click bank that you could possibly run but these are very very few and far between if not nigh impossible to find

In addition to this CB itself still or at least did 12 months ago promote adwords as a viable option, which was crap even back then, it was like an ostrich with its head in the sand, the vendors for the better part all have creative telling people to use adwords / PPC as a method of marketing catching near every newbie that does not know the danger and there are vendors who even know about peoples adwords accounts being banned who still use creative to tell people to use PPC / adwords

That combined with many new people there just copying other peoples creative compounds the problem.

So yes as general rule 100% I would tell people at this stage and it has been for over 12 months that click bank and adwords is like oil and water and to never mix them.

Personally I would never touch CB with adwords again unless there was a major shift in the sun moon and stars, and for people who do want to dabble with the devil then please only ever link to CB through your own site so if it goes belly up like it has here you can fix it and re kindle your adwords account, if you direct link then its bam all over as you will have no hope in getting the vendor to even reply never alone fix any problems with their site.

/ * note @ wolfmmiii, I have huge respect for your talent here / adwords so this is not a personal reply but more based on a lot of work I have personally done in this area combined with having my account permanently suspended for promoting how to build a boat and then going through and getting my account back which was and is a rare thing / the real deal and whole 9 yards on this topic.

Make a wso that shows how its done and it will be an overnight best seller.

@ the op

please take 5 minutes to get your site reviewed after removing those links and have a shot at clearing that up. your call

Wish I read this 2 days ago before my account was banned. I thought heaps of people was promoting clickbank products on Adwords. Newbie mistake

Great Post!

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by davidh83

Wish I read this 2 days ago before my account was banned. I thought heaps of people was promoting clickbank products on Adwords. Newbie mistake

Great Post!

Since being banned like you, I found that the situation is so bad with Google and Clickbank that Clickbank now has videos on its blog trying to school you how not to be banned by Google when using their products.

The products I promoted where legitimate teaching products on how to write nonprofit grant proposals. I liked to one of them on this thread. Even though I thoroughly investigated each offer to conform it's quality, Google suspended my account within minutes of me putting the links to my site.

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curbsam

12 years ago

Great thread. I'm in the process of using ad words so I just wanted to clarify something: is it ok to assume that you can use ad words for your own opt in pages (say on a mini niche website).

If you're using ad words to write sales copy on a page, is it necessary to have content (articles) on the site? Or could you just to your own version of a CB sales page as long as it's your own product and the vendor buys from your site directly (through paypal).

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tryinhere

12 years ago

Originally Posted by curbsam

Great thread. I'm in the process of using ad words so I just wanted to clarify something: is it ok to assume that you can use ad words for your own opt in pages (say on a mini niche website).

no please read googles terms / you need t build decent sites and i would not bother spending that time if your planning on then sending them to an click bank product for any reason but your choice

If you're using ad words to write sales copy on a page, is it necessary to have content (articles) on the site? Or could you just to your own version of a CB sales page as long as it's your own product and the vendor buys from your site directly (through paypal).

most CB copy is near most of the reason many CB products fail in adwords as the copy is full of hype and in accurate claims, and regardless if you have flawless copy there are some topics that fall short as well such as mmo etc again read and understand the rules or google will bite your back side

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by tryinhere

no please read googles terms / you need t build decent sites and i would not bother spending that time if your planning on then sending them to an click bank product for any reason but your choice

most CB copy is near most of the reason many CB products fail in adwords as the copy is full of hype and in accurate claims, and regardless if you have flawless copy there are some topics that fall short as well such as mmo etc again read and understand the rules or google will bite your back side

Thanks for the quick reply, Pete.

The products that I was thinking of promoting are my own, hosted on my own site's server, not clickbank's site. In other words, I've got my wordpress site, with a shopping cart.

Failing this, is it ok to use ad words for list building then? Ie. have a mini niche site (with no other ads), say 5-10 articles on there and an opt in? I assume that google wouldn't penalise you for sending traffic via ad words in these circumstances?

Sam

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tryinhere

12 years ago

Originally Posted by curbsam

Thanks for the quick reply, Pete.

The products that I was thinking of promoting are my own, hosted on my own site's server, not clickbank's site. In other words, I've got my wordpress site, with a shopping cart.

your site, my site click bank makes no difference if it does not meet terms, that is what you need to look at

Failing this, is it ok to use ad words for list building then? Ie. have a mini niche site (with no other ads), say 5-10 articles on there and an opt in? I assume that google wouldn't penalise you for sending traffic via ad words in these circumstances?

Sam

again meet terms, most lead capture / squeeze pages are banned in google, how ever if you provide a full and valuable site with information that had an optional join our news letter type set up then your probably looking safer.

read and understand the terms if not sure get things checked before listing them up

Pete

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curbsam 12 years ago

Originally Posted by tryinhere

read and understand the terms if not sure get things checked before listing them up

Pete

Hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but does google offer some kind of way of checking service? If not how would I go about this.
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  You can register in the forum as one way to chat with people or you could try sending a request to support and see how you go, or even ask in other supporting areas / forums such as this, maybe even get a pro to look at your site but there will be plenty of people willing to help you out.
  
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lastreporter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Actually, it was.

Using Adwords to link to ClickBank products has resulted in automatic bans for the last couple years.

It is, IMHO, fraud by Google to use vague language about linking quality without disclosing disclosing that certain sites / networks are determined by Google to meet that definition.

What it is for Google is an easy and effective way to weed out affiliate Internet marketers.

Will it affect the ranking of your websites?

Probably not.

On the other hand starting March 1st Google begins sharing data between its various services.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some retroactive use, just like Adwords will ban you today for a marketing campaign done 6 years ago.

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I had no idea that Clickbank was held is such repute. It would be nice if Google let people know up front what the rules were.

The fact that clickbank gives refunds very freely make me really wonder why Google dislikes them so.

Again, it is my first experience with Clickbank and I found it was easy dealing with the company.

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madison75074

12 years ago

Google also referred to the link in my email so I assume it was banned for the reason they stated. I had not even added any money to my account when they banned me. Yes, it does seem that one hand does not know what the other is doing at Google. As others have stated, the ban did not cause any problems with Adsense either.

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tbc41

12 years ago

Hey there...I just went through a similar challenge with adwords and they suspended my adwords account. It didn't at all affect my rankings with google, as a matter of fact, my rankings have only increased. Just keep posting and generating killer content and you'll be good to go. On a side note, after my complaints, I was sent an email stating that my adwords (after hearing that my adwords would be permanently suspended and there was nothing I could do) account was active yet again. So, you never know what will happen with these guys...crazy stuff.
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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

You should have received an initial notification when you were suspended. What did it say?

What specific product were you linking to? The CB landing page will tell the story.

Also, what did your own landing page look like?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

You should have received an initial notification when you were suspended. What did it say?

What specific product were you linking to? The CB landing page will tell the story.

Also, what did your own landing page look like?

My own landing page looked similar to the product page. It was a grantwriting instruction book. It was a really in-depth article about the common myths surrounding the writing of grants. The book was a grantwriting course for beginners. I also noticed that Google went to the clickbank page when it checked my ad.

I deleted the first letter and other Google letters. They pretty much didn't say why I was violating the TOS. They just gave me about 4 links and told me to guess which one it was.

Not very good customer service. More like dealing with a bot.

Honestly, I ran a similar ad on a book i wrote myself with a link to it on Tradbit with Google and had no problem.

They were very similar.

Thanks for your help, but I think for now i am finished with Google and clickbank.

I'm going back to what I know.

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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

Originally Posted by lastreporter

I deleted the first letter and other Google letters. They pretty much didn't say why I was violating the TOS. They just gave me about 4 links and told me to guess which one it was.

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Honestly, I ran a similar ad on a book i wrote myself with a link to it on Tradbit with Google and had no problem.

It sounds like there's more to the story than originally let on. That's usually how these threads progress.

Just be careful of whose advice you take. There are lots of people on these boards who think they know what they are talking about but haven't got a clue.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

It sounds like there's more to the story than originally let on. That's usually how these threads progress.

Just be careful of whose advice you take. There are lots of people on these boards who think they know what they are talking about but haven't got a clue.

Thanks for the advice. You are correct. As you pointed out. You really have to know what you're doing before you venture into the world of Google.

Something about clickbank's landing page, or something about the way I worded the ad somehow violated Google's TOS. As I said, I ran a similar ad using my own book and had no problem, but I had the link go to Tradebit.

Look, I appreciate all the time you took. You went beyond the call of duty.

I see that I have rushed to a false conclusion thinking that just because I linked to Clickbank I was banned. On the other hand, I think your advice to stay clear of Google until you really know all the rules is good. Unfortunately for me, I am already banned from adwords.

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pbarnhart

12 years ago

I've seen this situation happen to site owners I network and do some work for. Specifically, the rule you probably broke was:

Google AdWords doesn't allow the promotion of websites that are designed for the sole or primary purpose of showing ads. This practice of promoting sites where the main purpose is to get users to click on ads is called arbitrage . . . Websites whose main purpose is for users to click on ads that redirect to other sites

If there were four outbound links to clickbank products on the landing page, this could easily raise automated red flags. I have seen several instances where the landing pages have outbound links and gotten into trouble. However, I've never seen a total ban, just an ad ban.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by pbarnhart

I've seen this situation happen to site owners I network and do some work for. Specifically, the rule you probably broke was:

If there were four outbound links to clickbank products on the landing page, this could easily raise automated red flags. I have seen several instances where the landing pages have outbound links and gotten into trouble. However, I've never seen a total ban, just an ad ban.

Thanks. I just got an ad ban. Since then, I removed all of the clickbank links.

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Cecil Dee

12 years ago

Don't know much about Adwords, but I had my adsense account banned some months back (over 4 now) but my site is still in top 10 for some major keywords and has actually increased in ranking for those same keywords. When my account first got banned, couple weeks later I put clickbank ads using their hop ad builder (similar look to adsense ads) in the same positions where my adsense ads were. So far over 90 days n counting my site has only increased in rankings with one very nice dance for about 8 days and bumped the homepage up 2 positions from 8 to 6 and was at number 1 off and on. I'm thinking your site is safe and rankings shouldn't be affected, deindexing not likely at all. Good luck. Get multiple adwords accounts with different email addresses, & credentials (including ip address used to open it)

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NACAdam

12 years ago

No you didnt violate googles TOS you violated adsense TOS so no they wont ban or sandbox your site no worries ...

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IrishMarketer

12 years ago

Panda's lastest update means that if you do not have the content above the fold, but advertising. you will be de ranked.
heres the brief Official Google Blog: Finding more high-quality sites in search

So in simple terms, google want you to answer the question above the fold. If you don't you will get slammed.

Adsense has also changed recently and they will now suspend you account if you do not generate enough clicks as well. They are out to get ad sites, with little content off the net.
On adsense if was making you money, open an account under a different email address. But do not put it back up on the same sites.

So have a read of the google official blog and that should help. But remember google will never tell you why.

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rprieto60

12 years ago

In my experience, Google will do whatever they damn well please and there ain't jack you can do about it. I had an adsense account suspended when I did something too and they never did tell me exactly what it was. They just told me (with the same type of canned letter you got) that I had violated their TOS and that was that.

I still have first page rankings for several keywords on several of my sites, so unless you're doing something really blatantly spammy, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just make sure to have good content and update the site on a regular basis. Also make sure to let all the SE's know about the updates with RSS feeds and a good linking and pinging campaign.

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