Google Confirms Panda 3.3 Update

13 years ago

Thanks for sharing. It seems SEO just keeps changing on us all the time.

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MarlboroMonkey

13 years ago

My sites moved up actually. And one of them that is ranking very well all of a sudden for a pretty popular key phrase is nothing more than a thin wpazon affiliate site. Gasp!

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metaarticles

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MarlboroMonkey

My sites moved up actually. And one of them that is ranking very well all of a sudden for a pretty popular key phrase is nothing more than a thin wpazon affiliate site. Gasp!

That is surprising, but good for you.

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UMS

13 years ago

Originally Posted by cashtree

So for everyone asking why they dropped in rankings recently...this is why. Also if anyone else has more details please share, it almost sounds like they're lowering the value of backlinks.

My rankings have either stayed steady or improved slightly.

As for Google lowering the value of backlinks, I don't interpret it as that. I see it more that Google are using different factors to determine the "quality" of a backlink.

I've just finished up a blog post where I discuss what I think are the most important points of the update at:

Key Points Of The Google Panda 3.3 Update

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Jasonsc

13 years ago

I've seen a slight climb up the first page for my main keyword. Excellent.

Just goes to show ... the time for quality content and real value is truly upon us. No more cheap spammy tactics!

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cashtree

13 years ago

Well lot of peoples site, including mine have dropped and I don't spam! Meanwhile Google has a competitor of mine on the front page that's completely blank...so while I fight to get back links and grow they sit there happily doing nothing. Glad google's updates are helping those it should...

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MrBenny 13 years ago

I wish you were right Jason but I feel the exact opposite actually. Looking at sites moving up thin affiliates are doing well, why? My understanding is that the game is getting geared towards variations of keywords That means spam city. I actually feel that the articlers are screwed. Now two things, for whatever reason, I get advanced info on this stuff from Indian contacts. Second, I don't know why, but I was told to look for synonyms or variations of the keyword. Yes I know how crazy advanced info from Indian contacts sound. But I use them for SEO, and they always crush the competition.
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- Ben Armstrong 13 years ago
  
  I really hope by turning off certain link analysis functions they mean that they're paying more attention to where the link is placed, as opposed to what the anchor text says. This should hopefully go some way to eliminating mass spam as a backlinking method.
  
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Chris Worner

13 years ago

It will be very interesting to see what effects this has on websites Like Ezine Articles which copped a pretty big shellacking after the original panda update.

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Martin Lee Jr

13 years ago

This is why I don't rely on SEO for traffic. Google is simply too much for me.

However, it would be hard for me to believe that quality content doesn't rule in the search engines. But based on an earlier post about synonyms - if that is true than that means good spinner softwares will come in handy right about now

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Cataclysm1987 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Lee Jr

This is why I don't rely on SEO for traffic. Google is simply too much for me.

I am starting to agree....
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Goxbee App

13 years ago

Just remember.... When you think you have it all figured out, the search engines will make changes that stop you dead in your tracks! When you think you are ahead of the curve, think again! Just keep working like a good business person and keep pushing backlinks and articles and social media and then do it all again and if you have good ranking you will continue to keep it and maybe move up.... If you take a week off, look for a drop in your rankings and the competition will take over.... Just my two cents............................................. ....

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Mark Hoffman

13 years ago

No surprise here, keep evolving and moving forward, oh how the game keeps changing and I love it!

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mikest4u

13 years ago

Another Panda Update! Seems that Google is quite busy to rolling out Panda New Updates, It is quite interesting to see that what will be the Future of Duplicate Content Based Article Directories!

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wolfmmiii

13 years ago

My sites have inched upward the last few days so I guess I can't complain.

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Cantbedone!

13 years ago

So who here thinks that this part in particular: ...

"Link evaluation. We often use characteristics of links to help us figure out the topic of a linked page. We have changed the way in which we evaluate links; in particular, we are turning off a method of link analysis that we used for several years. We often rearchitect or turn off parts of our scoring in order to keep our system maintainable, clean and understandable."

...means that they have devalued or removed altogether the effectiveness of link anchor text? That is certainly what it sounds like. Using anchor text keywords definitely gave IM'ers a leg up on traditional sites with only natural backlinks because natural backlinks are never as keyword targeted.

So if google is truly cracking down on SEO (serp manipulation), this would make perfect sense as it will effect people who build links much more than people whos sites have only natural links (which is what G wants). Anyone else here thinking the same?

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UMS

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Cantbedone!

So who here thinks that this part in particular: ...

"Link evaluation. We often use characteristics of links to help us figure out the topic of a linked page. We have changed the way in which we evaluate links; in particular, we are turning off a method of link analysis that we used for several years. We often rearchitect or turn off parts of our scoring in order to keep our system maintainable, clean and understandable."

...means that they have devalued or removed altogether the effectiveness of link anchor text? That is certainly what it sounds like. Using anchor text keywords definitely gave IM'ers a leg up on traditional sites with only natural backlinks because natural backlinks are never as keyword targeted.

That's pretty much what I wrote in my latest blog post.

I highly doubt they have removed the anchor text signal completely, but I think the context of the link is now much more important, ie: a contextual link on a relevant site to your topic.

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mookes

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Cantbedone!

So who here thinks that this part in particular: ...

"Link evaluation. We often use characteristics of links to help us figure out the topic of a linked page. We have changed the way in which we evaluate links; in particular, we are turning off a method of link analysis that we used for several years. We often rearchitect or turn off parts of our scoring in order to keep our system maintainable, clean and understandable."

...means that they have devalued or removed altogether the effectiveness of link anchor text? That is certainly what it sounds like. Using anchor text keywords definitely gave IM'ers a leg up on traditional sites with only natural backlinks because natural backlinks are never as keyword targeted.

So if google is truly cracking down on SEO (serp manipulation), this would make perfect sense as it will effect people who build links much more than people whos sites have only natural links (which is what G wants). Anyone else here thinking the same?

nice share about "link evaluation" friends, I thinks google panda 3.3 is more likely some research that google does, and as a research character, they always changing month by month according to their latest result

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rosesmark

13 years ago

My websites ranking are falling down so i think this things happen due to Google Panda updated 3.3 or something else

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Mike Linley

13 years ago

My rankings continue to all go up for every single keyword I am working on which is dozens. It seems with every update I am weeding out the competitors and just getting stronger and stronger! I love algo updates! Go Google Go!

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rosesmark

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Linley

My rankings continue to all go up for every single keyword I am working on which is dozens. It seems with every update I am weeding out the competitors and just getting stronger and stronger! I love algo updates! Go Google Go!

So, Can you share your strategies?..which strategies is helpful for your website ranking?..I hope you accpet my request

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Michael Ten

13 years ago

Nice! I hope quality content keeps being rewarded and low value content keeps being screened out.

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JimSEO

13 years ago

Rolling with the punches.. The nature of SEO..

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amaechi007

13 years ago

Guess what guys, i'm completely exhausted and frustrated. I have two options right now, to quite, sell all my adsense sites and move on to other business ventures or stick with it, count my losses and keep going. Does anyone here think they can build a very sustainable business with adsense?

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D_Incredible_Hulk

13 years ago

Originally Posted by amaechi007

Guess what guys, i'm completely exhausted and frustrated. I have two options right now, to quite, sell all my adsense sites and move on to other business ventures or stick with it, count my losses and keep going. Does anyone here think they can build a very sustainable business with adsense?

I think the results are regional .... personally I think its not worth monetizing using adsense

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Stevemartin619

13 years ago

Its good for users but not good for SEO guys because daily Google varying the search engine algorithm so, How its possible that SEO guys maintain website ranking??

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JimSEO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Stevemartin619

Its good for users but not good for SEO guys because daily Google varying the search engine algorithm so, How its possible that SEO guys maintain website ranking??

Google will always value popularity, quality links, and well constructed sites. Algorithmic changes are getting better at sniffing out bad techniques, but anyone who knows anything about SEO knows to build their site on solid SEO foundations. The important thing to remember is that the game has been constantly changing for many years, and so if you want to be able to do SEO yourself you must learn how to adapt and stay one step ahead.

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SEOexperto

13 years ago

Thanks to this update my sites started to rank high for competitive keywords . I think google put a lot more weight on contextual links

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amaechi007

13 years ago

Anyone have an idea on what we can to to restore rankings. What really frustrates me is that google does little in education webmasters on what they need to do to correct things and restore their ranking.

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seoforu

13 years ago

Another great update from the masters of search. Now we will have to see what other changes happens around the web.

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xrcv

13 years ago

Nothing has happened. All my 10 sites are at the same position and I've checked the rankings of a few competitors who use blog networks exclusively - the same. If your rankings have dropped it's because some rankings drop every day and some rise. If 20 people who experienced a ranking drop today write in a single thread it's easy to get convinced that something is happening. I'm now waiting to see a billion fiver gigs pop up saying "beat panda 3.3 with this fiverr gig!!". What sheep some people are.

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amaechi007

13 years ago

Originally Posted by xrcv

Nothing has happened. All my 10 sites are at the same position and I've checked the rankings of a few competitors who use blog networks exclusively - the same. If your rankings have dropped it's because some rankings drop every day and some rise. If 20 people who experienced a ranking drop today write in a single thread it's easy to get convinced that something is happening. I'm now waiting to see a billion fiver gigs pop up saying "beat panda 3.3 with this fiverr gig!!". What sheep some people are.

If i were you, i'll be on a look out as updates don't have an immediate effect but rolls out over time. I do blog networks exclusively and still got hit. Infact i've seen people who have done the right thing and still get hit. Be on the watch.

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amaechi007

13 years ago

Can anyone suggest how i can get my site ranking again?

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Famook

13 years ago

How bad did you get hit? Remember sometimes when there is an update things will dance around as well. Sites with good content may still get hit but will probably bounce back.

If your using blog networks exclusively then try some other types of link building.

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rinor81

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Famook

How bad did you get hit? Remember sometimes when there is an update things will dance around as well. Sites with good content may still get hit but will probably bounce back.

If your using blog networks exclusively then try some other types of link building.

I know this question was not for me but I'll answer it as it relates....this update got my so upset!

Got hit on several sites, they are not new, they have links, no black hat there (except BMR links), various links and my keywords were for almost a year on #3 of Google...

Now, they are down from #3 to #250, #350, #12

#6 down to #600+

I mean, seriously??? That bad? I'm talking about sites and pages with original content and that dominated first page of Google for a long time, aged sites.....what now? Keep building links? After such a hit??

Frustrating, so frustrating....

Ideas guys?

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dp40oz

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rinor81

I know this question was not for me but I'll answer it as it relates....this update got my so upset!

Got hit on several sites, they are not new, they have links, no black hat there (except BMR links), various links and my keywords were for almost a year on #3 of Google...

Now, they are down from #3 to #250, #350, #12

#6 down to #600+

I mean, seriously??? That bad? I'm talking about sites and pages with original content and that dominated first page of Google for a long time, aged sites.....what now? Keep building links? After such a hit??

Frustrating, so frustrating....

Ideas guys?

I feel your pain man. The only advice I could give is try to create a lot of sites. I have about 40. 5 of which got hit hard on this panda update. My thinking is keep pumping sites out, that way these Panda hits won't kill ya.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by rinor81

I know this question was not for me but I'll answer it as it relates....this update got my so upset!

Got hit on several sites, they are not new, they have links, no black hat there (except BMR links), various links and my keywords were for almost a year on #3 of Google...

Now, they are down from #3 to #250, #350, #12

#6 down to #600+

I mean, seriously??? That bad? I'm talking about sites and pages with original content and that dominated first page of Google for a long time, aged sites.....what now? Keep building links? After such a hit??

Frustrating, so frustrating....

Ideas guys?

I don't know your situation but if the same thing is happening to you that just happened to me you might be okay too.

One of my sites focusing on a pretty tough keyword completely vanished from page one of google not to be found anywhere in the top 200 listings for a few weeks then suddenly came back to #3 position a few days ago.

The only thing I did to it was remove links to the front page of another website that I own because of this list that I found posted by a google webmaster.

I have no idea if this was the reason but happy that it bounced back into a better position than when it disappeared.

Maybe this will help you?...

Default Re: I heard that Google is now treating Wordpress websites as Spam, is this true?
I am a google level 11 webmaster at their forum, so I've analyzed thousands of sites and answered thousands of questions.
I see clear patterns:
- link exchanges? penalty.
- back link anchor over-optimization? penalty.
- letting commenters spam your site? penalty.
- buying links from front pages of domains? penalty.
- interlinking front pages of domains you control? penalty.
- a plugin you developed/distributed links back to your OWN site without nofollow? penalty.
- your content found on many sites? penalty.
- content farm (no clear focus)? penalty.
- thin affiliate? penalty.
- made for adsense? penalty.
- let your site get hacked? penalty.
- let your domain expire? penalty.
- hosting downtime? penalty.
- hidden div with links? penalty.
- base64 encoding links? penalty.
- platform? penalty? no.
My own sites are wordpress and they are on page 1 or 2 for the desired keywords.
And they use the DEFAULT twentyten or twentyeleven theme...
One site I own gets 100,000 pageviews a month.
All of my sites are on shared hosting (h0stg@tor)

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Carl Brown

13 years ago

Originally Posted by amaechi007

Can anyone suggest how i can get my site ranking again?

I don't know what works for others, but I've pretty much quit chasing the latest scheme for temporary rankings. I do backlinking, but my focus is different. I now focus on writing for my visitors and competing quality-wise with my top competitors. Ideally Google wants quality sites to cater to their customers. In the end, if you do that, you'll win.

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SamuraiKat

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Carl Brown

I don't know what works for others, but I've pretty much quit chasing the latest scheme for temporary rankings. I do backlinking, but my focus is different. I now focus on writing for my visitors and competing quality-wise with my top competitors. Ideally Google wants quality sites to cater to their customers. In the end, if you do that, you'll win.

I think that this is key. With all of my consulting clients, I tell them this. "Google hates advertisers. Unless, you are spending at least 10-20k per month, they don't care about you. The goal of Google is to keep their users happy. If you try to spam, at some point they will find out."

Luckily for me, most of my clients sites have remained virtually untouched and in many cases, they continue to rise in rank.

Here is a hypothetical question for you all. What if some of these updates are sent out to see who balks. What if Google were to be sending out mis-information to see who is going to jump at their updates. Is it possible that this could be a way to see who is aggressively embracing the changes. Then when they make those changes, they are better able to track them.

I am not crying conspiracy, I am just giving food for thought. THat is one of the reasons that I think that the "lastest" linking scheme may not always be the best way to go. Just my 2 cents.

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Greenfatman

13 years ago

Guys, why all of you're blaming Google???

The real truth is: internet is getting massively crowded, maybe I'm competing with all of you, maybe I have more hot content and google decided to rank my site, put yourself on the other side,when you rank another site you feel good,dont you? what about the owner of the site that been outranked? he feels exactly how you guys feel right now. And please, please don't write here your site is old and there's good content on it. bla, bla,bla...

2 reasons for your site drop:
- Other sites have better or hotter content than yours?
- If your site disappears, means google caught you with bad links...And yes, BMR and those tools we are using are blackhat backlinks, if we are caught, we are done.Period

It makes me laugh how many warriors here advice we've got to go with 3-5 sites max to make money.... WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

You must keep building sites with hot content, if 1 or 5 sites drop, you still have 15-20 sites doing welll.

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ryankjones

13 years ago

Did you see the part about YouTube videos ranking for local search results? I know how to do that hehe :-)

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the goat

13 years ago

This is why the smartest strategy is to maintain a few sites for each strategy. In other words, don't put all of your eggs in one basket. I have many sites and instead of trying all strategies on each site I stick to one distinct strategy per site.

I have sites that are autoblogs, I have some that are unique content, I have some that I only utilize direct traffic and some that I only utilize organic SEO etc. etc. This way some go up, some go down and not only does it keep my bases covered but I can gather information much easier. Think of it like a scientific control study, if you have a ton of sites that have a mix of strategies, you'll never know which is working, but if each only utilizes one strategy then you can make informed estimations about what is working and what isn't.

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JSProjects

13 years ago

This is why the smartest strategy is to maintain a few sites for each strategy. In other words, don't put all of your eggs in one basket. I have many sites and instead of trying all strategies on each site I stick to one distinct strategy per site.

Pretty spot-on.

I'm always seeing posts on various forums from people who panic after their rankings drop on their one-and-only site. I'd rather have 10 sites earning $100 a month than 1 earning $1,000.

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YoungLoft

13 years ago

what is panda. and what does google have to do with it?

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Famook 13 years ago

I think the key here to remember is quality, not just in content but in your links. Blog networks can be good but if that is what your relying on oyu need to branch out more. Also remember to keep your site fresh and up to date.

Just because your site is aged and has been dominating does not mean that it can go stagnent. fresh content with fresh links can only help.

I saw some drops yesterday and a couple have started to recover already so time will be a big factor here.
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LiftMyRank

13 years ago

I don't think google is removing the value of anchor text as some others here have suggested, anchor text always has been and will likely always be a HUGE part of their algo, it's the easiest way for them to categorize sites, the way they view links has definitely changed in their latest algo update, and way I think it has is to do with the relevance and uniqueness of surrounding content to the link and over-optimization of a link profile, so before we would say make sure less than 50% of your links don't contain the same anchor, now that number could be 20%, and deep linking has likely become more important, i.e...don't just link to your homepage.

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ellenpage

13 years ago

Some my keywords is dancing, I think Google panda 3.3 affect them.

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Nathan Isaac

13 years ago

I love these updates because it usually knocks down the poor SEO and brings my sites nowhere but up

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jep

13 years ago

I got one site ranking for #5 and #10 for two seperate keyword and pages that's gone from serps today..not even in top 1000..not deindexed though

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rinor81

13 years ago

My update:

Some of my keywords are down but not like before when they were 350 and 250...have a site with keywords that were #3 are now #15, #14, #17

Guess I'll have to keep building links and hopefully get them back to #3.....

Another site keywords that were #16 are down to #289 and still there...I think it's too harsh from Google...especially when the other affiliate sites which are not as good as my site are still at their places....could it be because of BMR?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by rinor81

My update:

Some of my keywords are down but not like before when they were 350 and 250...have a site with keywords that were #3 are now #15, #14, #17

Guess I'll have to keep building links and hopefully get them back to #3.....

Another site keywords that were #16 are down to #289 and still there...I think it's too harsh from Google...especially when the other affiliate sites which are not as good as my site are still at their places....could it be because of BMR?

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I dont think its because of BMR. Could be anything and if you dont give more data its a waste of time to even try to guess.

Some things that may be relevant to consider:

What other links did you use?
What is your anchor text density?
What about quantity/velocity? ( my competitor barely backlinks and took my spots)

Thats the minimum amount of info we need to figure things out. I have data sets but not enough to come to any conclusion so I'm hoping people give more data.

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chriswyattseo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rinor81

My update:

Some of my keywords are down but not like before when they were 350 and 250...have a site with keywords that were #3 are now #15, #14, #17

Guess I'll have to keep building links and hopefully get them back to #3.....

Another site keywords that were #16 are down to #289 and still there...I think it's too harsh from Google...especially when the other affiliate sites which are not as good as my site are still at their places....could it be because of BMR?

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I've seen a few buddies of mine on BMR, mainly and exclusively, get hit hard.

I've had a site where I'd say 20-30 % of the links are BMR, is fine, as I type this now.

Keep steady, let this shake out over the next 2-3 weeks. Don't act rash.

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bobrichards 13 years ago

to show you how inconsistent, unexplained, arbitrary and non-useful some of these google changes are (and you wont be able to guess how to beat them), read the first post on this site which ranks #2 for a competitive key term. Obviously spun, illegible text, absolute junk but #2!
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RashmiP 13 years ago

Not much changes happened to my sites, though keywords are there in their previous positions. Other than ranking, what other changes are going to happen due to Panda effect?
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futurepocket 13 years ago

Google is definitely placing less importance on anchor text... that's why a lot of people noticed their websites drop in ranking so massively. Are anchor texts completely worthless now? Definitely not.

You just have to keep your anchor texts varied (realize natural back links will not always link the same keyword(s) to your URL). Also, realize that all the high PR blog networks you are part of -- Google is also quite aware of them, and that is why I avoid these networks exclusively.

For those of you that say you need 100's of websites ... you don't need that many if you invest the amount of time you invest into hundreds into a few QUALITY websites, it will pay off much more. I also think bounce rate will have a higher role to play on SERP's (starting now and even more in the future).
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Banned 13 years ago

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Natlex

13 years ago

Hmm I seem to have gone up in $$ so I guess my traffic went up thanks to this

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mtnmom5

13 years ago

My sites have been on a steady rise after hours of editing them the past few months, so my fingers and toes are crossed on this one! =)

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TheFBGuy

13 years ago

Google has openly said and advised webmasters and businesses who only rely on Search traffic shouldn't be ranking in the first place. Youtube alone gets an estimated 400 million unique visitors a month. Other video sites millions of visitors each as well monthly. Diversifying your traffic sources is key, NOT building a million sites each rely on... again Google! Plus that's what Google wants to see as well.

Why not have Google send me 2000 visitors and the video sites ALSO send me 1000 visitors a month...?

If you truly care about your site(s), you will not only rely on search traffic. This is the difference between people building true authority sites and people simply building sites for cash. These days doing the latter is just recipe for disaster, and Panda is just doing it's thing...

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xxxJamesxxx

13 years ago

Google won't stop experimenting until they find the right spot.

Which will be never.

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uoftenwinny

13 years ago

Google often changes and this will effect on our sites. Some get good results but some not.

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himanuzo

13 years ago

I believe that the content is still king for the Panda algorithm.

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korneld

13 years ago

I hate pandas.

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GrowTraffic

13 years ago

Not seeing anything in terms of rankings however I have got a warning this month for one of my sites about unnatural links - I have a feeling this is because I've got a handful of sites that link to the one that's got the error, I would argue this is good usability however I will go through and add a nofollow tag to the links and see if that does it.

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MisterChopsticks

13 years ago

Thanks for the update. Should be useful.

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GyuMan82

13 years ago

Build quality content and quality links and all this Panda stuff won't affect you.

As obnoxious as that sounds it's the truth

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Craftisy

13 years ago

Didn't see much change in my positions.

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Karan Goel

13 years ago

I just don't get why people are freaking out with
this minor Panda update.

The only thing you need to do now is diversify
your links with unique content. That's it. No
rocket science!

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cooler1

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Karan Goel

I just don't get why people are freaking out with
this minor Panda update.

The only thing you need to do now is diversify
your links with unique content. That's it. No
rocket science!

Probably because its effecting their income.

My Amazon clicks have decreased by almost 50% in the last few days. Has anyone else here seen a reduction in clicks for their Amazon sites?

My link building is mainly social bookmarking and article marketing.

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