Are backlink building programs like SENuke still worth the price?

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Hi everybody,

I know that SENuke is widely considered to be the best backlinking software online, but based on a couple of recent things that have happened, I'm wondering if the software is really worth the high price tag or if it wouldn't be more efficient, effective, and cheaper to just outsource backlink creation using Fiverr.

I know Fiverr isn't great for everything, but stick with me here...

What I mean is, the Panda changes this year seem to further diminish the effectiveness of this kind of SEO strategy and the fact that IM experts, including those at the recent Traffic and Conversion Summit are advocating building more general links back to authority sites like You Tube and issuing Press Releases about the same time to account for the increased links and traffic spikes.

So rather than:

1. Finding a niche using keyword research.
2. Writing keyword rich content.
3. Publishing article and content all over the place including the creation of link wheels, etc through SENuke.

Instead...

1. Create a You Tube video that relates to your keyword. Write a description that includes the keywords, links, and local contact information if applicable.
2. Issue a press release that includes your keywords and references the You Tube Video page.
3. Go to Fiverr and pay somebody to blast the crap out of your You Tube video and build link pyramids, etc around it.

According to some people using the second method is much harder to track by Google, since you're basically sending traffic back to Google -which they like - and related social media is talking about your video and your offer, etc -which becomes more important everyday for validating the importance of your site.

Thanks in advance to all those that help me figure this out!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author luckypig
    I think it's worth buying if You would use it to selling that type of gigs on fiverr .Those gigs are sure popular currently.
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    I use XRUMER and senuke for my sites.. They have always been important and will be!!
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    I wouldn't use any automated software, you annoy people with it and it literally only takes two minutes to notify your webhost and domain registrar.

    What the developers of these programs say is that it's difficult for google to detect, this might be the case but it's not difficult for a webmaster to follow the link through the doorway page to find your money page and report it. It only takes one person and instead of getting de-indexed, you just lose your domain and money earner.

    So don't use xrumer or scrapebox, and with SENX only use the part that don't affect other people (leave out the blog module)
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  • Profile picture of the author Rajinder
    Yes Guys, Its better to buy service. Because to learn Senuke x and also Tips and tricks takes time. Experienced knows better than novice user.
    I am also selling my senuke service on Fiverr on minimal prices..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kreative4
    Using automated tool is not worth anymore. Instead of spending $150+ per month on some spam tool, i like to spend that on VAs. You will get good skilled VAs at $200-$300 per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    Wow lots of misinformation in this thread.

    If you know how to use these tools properly they can make you a ton of money.

    If you don't they will just burn a hole in your wallet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    SENuke, is like the M-16 rifle: In the hands of a child, it's useless. But in the hands of a soldier, it's a powerful weapon.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      SENuke, is like the M-16 rifle
      You are absolutely right...

      ...if you are talking about the M-16 when it was first introduced into combat and would jam constantly, blow up in soldiers hands, and was a completely overpriced failure. In that case, yes. SEnuke is exactly like an M-16.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        You are absolutely right...

        ...if you are talking about the M-16 when it was first introduced into combat and would jam constantly, blow up in soldiers hands, and was a completely overpriced failure. In that case, yes. SEnuke is exactly like an M-16.
        LOL. Mike I need to take a course from you on brief but laser to the point posts. Sign me up when you have it going.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by jetsetpeasant View Post

    Hi everybody,

    I know that SENuke is widely considered to be the best backlinking software online

    You know wrong. Most of the people online have NEVER heard of Senuke. It is mostly a dark hat and IM thing which is a very small part of "online".

    SenukeX is a total waste of money. No offense to Joe who is a stand up guy in my experience but its a pea shooter not even close to being an "M-16" that a professional doesn't need to pick up especially since it s terribly over priced.

    All those saying that if you know how to use it blah blah blah I don't doubt believe it but its all smoke. You could be rocket scientist and at the end of the day a linking tool can only be as good as the links it gives. No magical diagramming or hocus pocus makes a forum profile a great link. No inside information of SEO turns a bookmark into a solid contextual link. You can backlink your PR N/a forum profiles to your other N/A forum profiles it will all fade away in a new york minute

    The only possible utility of the software is to run the links through funnel sites and then to your money site but you would be far better using blog comment links than what Senuke gives.

    WHen you consider price and worth you have to compare it to alternatives. SenukeX unhacked unbootlegged will run you $2,000 a year. Unless you are a service provider peddling the weak links it gives to others it is not cost efficient. For the average user he could build his own network, Rent or buy some sweet links, choose Scrapebox and Magic submitter or do a TON load of outsourcing for pennies on the dollar spent for SenukeX.

    The only greater waste of money in my eyes is Xrumer which is now aptly named as you have to be on some kind of booze to think its worth the price post panda. Its even more hot garbage for those that just cannot live with the idea that forum profiles are the weakest of the weakest links and the most short lived of all links because the software just ticks off Forum masters to shut down signatures or make them all nofollow.

    and for those claiming some great deep knowledge of SEO that makes it worth it. I'll put a few hundred on the table if you agree to show me a truly competitive term ranking with this software. Proof is in the rankings and you do not see any really competitive serp being dominated by SenukeX.

    Shouldn't be a problem seeing as how the new tagline for SenukeX is

    "Complete and Utter Search Engine Domination. Period"

    ROFL its good to start the day with a belly laugh. Which search engine is being totally dominated by SenukeX - Lycos? Hotbot?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      SenukeX is a total waste of money. No offense to Joe who is a stand up guy in my experience but its a pea shooter not even close to being an "M-16" that a professional doesn't need to pick up especially since it s terribly over priced.
      If SENukeX is a pea shooter, it's only good for shooting Zombies?

      I know where you stand, and I know you are haters of such software. You know, I do agree to some of your SEO practices as shared in this forum.

      My stand is that while these software are good, they are not the only tools in my disposal. It's only of the many backlinking tools that I use. I'm a 'soldier' trained to use M-16, grenades, L.A.W., launchers, etc. You get my drift.

      Backlinks should be diverse, so the tools used must be diverse.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

        It's only of the many backlinking tools that I use. I'm a 'soldier' trained to use M-16, grenades, L.A.W., launchers, etc. You get my drift.

        Backlinks should be diverse, so the tools used must be diverse.

        Lets leave the macho military lingo out of it because in every competitive serp I'd throw a bunch of High Pr contextual links at you and blow you out of the water Joe. Why do people always try and talk it up? try to make it sound sexy and macho and powerful? this aint no video game or movie trailer for The A- Team starring Will Smith amd Liam neeson. This is just people sitting in there underwear clicking buttons thinking they are going to dominate the world because they are over using and abusing the same links that all the other people buying into the nonsense are doing watering down the liks even more than they already were. Show it. You don't have to show me any of your own serps. If its like you say then you can just march over to Google and show me the great killer competitive serps that SenukeX is laying down fire and taking serps hostages.

        and No joe sorry. That whole thing about diversity is a crock. Google does not have an algo that rewards you for the amount of different kinds of link spam you can throw at them.

        Nice try though
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Lets leave the macho military lingo out of it because in every competitive serp I'd throw a bunch of High Pr contextual links at you and blow you out of the water Joe. Why do people always try and talk it up? try to make it sound sexy and macho and powerful? this aint no video game or movie trailer for The A- Team starring Will Smith amd Liam neeson. This is just people sitting in there underwear clicking buttons thinking they are going to dominate the world because they are over using and abusing the same links that all the other people buying into the nonsense are doing watering down the liks even more than they already were. Show it. You don't have to show me any of your own serps. If its like you say then you can just march over to Google and show me the great killer competitive serps that SenukeX is laying down fire and taking serps hostages.

          and No joe sorry. That whole thing about diversity is a crock. Google does not have an algo that rewards you for the amount of different kinds of link spam you can throw at them.

          Nice try though
          Yea, and nice ass answer from you.

          You have your way of SEO, I have my way. You don't have to come here and talk as though you are the therealseoexpert.

          I respect your work and your contribution here but it seems like you are having a bad morning today. Or maybe Mike is really a cocky guy?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            You took that the wrong way Joe. Was just meeting your military imagery with my own. this has nothing to do with cocky. I suppose it was not cocky to infer a professional soldier would make SEnukeX an m-16 :rolleyes: as if the rest wouldn't know what to do with it and we needed to "get your drift".

            This has to do with people pushing things that waste peoples money. In a post panda world where people are getting penalties and notices for unnatural links I don't see how anyone would have to be particularly smart or cocky to claim those things are not for present day SEO 2012.

            Incidentally I knew someone would claim my realseoexpert site was me saying I was THE real SEO expert but its mostly is and going to be a training site for lots of real SEO experts.

            and for the record you are also wrong about me and automated tools. I own and use quite a bit of automation tools, admitted the utility of blog comments and I even mentioned Magic submitter as a more affordable alternative (plus you can add any of your own sites which despite its price SEnukeX can't).
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              You took that the wrong way Joe. Was just meeting your military imagery with my own.....

              and for the record you are also wrong about me and automated tools. I own and use quite a bit of automation tools, admitted the utility of blog comments and I even mentioned Magic submitter as a more affordable alternative (plus you can add any of your own sites which despite its price SEnukeX can't).
              I understand your point. I must have misunderstood reading your post at midnight! You have good points mentioned.
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    Yes.. Absolutely. If you know how to use these tools mentioned above, you will achieve great SERP ranking, tons of traffic, and more $$$
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    Senuke and XRumer are useless? Then how do my websites rank on page 1 on Google? You can't buy a software and then cross your fingers and hope it will take your website to the top of the SERPs. As with programs like Xrumer, you need to have your own high quality XRumer list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by weheartcontent View Post

      Senuke and XRumer are useless? Then how do my websites rank on page 1 on Google? You can't buy a software and then cross your fingers and hope it will take your website to the top of the SERPs. As with programs like Xrumer, you need to have your own high quality XRumer list.
      LOL "high quality xrumer list". there is no such thing. Thats like ordering a pizza without the crust or cheese. It aint a pizza no more Martha. Blasting forums results in no quality. To get a good link on a good forum you have to participate not blast.

      Anyway the word useless does not appear in my post and so what if you rank "on page 1". For what? One of the last forum discussions on here I ranked WF number 1 for "backlink pants"


      https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1280&bih=899

      Show me a competitive serp ranking on SenukeX on more than QDF and I'll send you $200 to your Paypal addy.

      Waz up - nobody wants to earn an easy $200 from the software that is Totally dominating the search engines. Too rich? No charities to give it too?
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      • Profile picture of the author weheartcontent
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        LOL "high quality xrumer list". there is no such thing. Thats like ordering a pizza without the crust or cheese. It aint a pizza no more Martha. Blasting forums results in no quality. To get a good link on a good forum you have to participate not bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
        Erm... I wasn't referring to your post actually, don't know how you got that idea. But yeah bro, why not share with us your SEO strategy, since you seem like the SEO master, or rather, SEO D'artagnan.
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    Simple truth is it doesn't matter how technically good at using the tools you are (quite a lot of SEO experts say it's ace, strange that, of course they would)

    I personally report at least 20 sites per day and have about 50% success rate of getting the site removed. No amount of track covering, expertise or knowledge will stop me finding the money page.
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      Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

      Simple truth is it doesn't matter how technically good at using the tools you are (quite a lot of SEO experts say it's ace, strange that, of course they would)

      I personally report at least 20 sites per day and have about 50% success rate of getting the site removed. No amount of track covering, expertise or knowledge will stop me finding the money page.
      So what you're saying is I can blast someone's money page with 10,000 blog comments off Fiverr, report them, and get them taken down 50% of the time? I don't think so dude...
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by J0hnnycl1ckz View Post

        So what you're saying is I can blast someone's money page with 10,000 blog comments off Fiverr, report them, and get them taken down 50% of the time? I don't think so dude...
        IF the site was already ranking on good links then no but in the relatively rare cases if the site were to move up based on those links yes a report to Google would quite often result in a penalty to that site - doesn't matter what you think its a fact.

        If he was talking about hosting yes there are a number of hosts that will contact you that are very sensitive to spam of any kind including link spam. The argument that if you could get blacklisted for links then you could tank your competitor has ALWAYS been a flawed answer since Google has the information of where a site ranked before the link spam and what other links the site has that could end up protecting it.
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        • Profile picture of the author J0hnnycl1ckz
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          IF the site was already ranking on good links then no but in the relatively rare cases if the site were to move up based on those links yes a report to Google would quite often result in a penalty to that site - doesn't matter what you think its a fact.

          If he was talking about hosting yes there are a number of hosts that will contact you that are very sensitive to spam of any kind including link spam. The argument that if you could get blacklisted for links then you could tank your competitor has ALWAYS been a flawed answer since Google has the information of where a site ranked before the link spam and what other links the site has that could end up protecting it.
          I should have been more specific I was referring to the hosting company part. Since they can never prove it was actually you that committed the act then how do you as a business go around punishing your clients for something they very well could not have prevented? Seems like a waste of resources. Perhaps some lines were blurred in my interpretation of the original guys responses.
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      • Profile picture of the author davejug1
        Originally Posted by J0hnnycl1ckz View Post

        So what you're saying is I can blast someone's money page with 10,000 blog comments off Fiverr, report them, and get them taken down 50% of the time? I don't think so dude...
        Nope not at all. I'm saying I could follow one of those 10000 links to your money page and report that page, not the doorways.
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      Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

      Simple truth is it doesn't matter how technically good at using the tools you are (quite a lot of SEO experts say it's ace, strange that, of course they would)

      I personally report at least 20 sites per day and have about 50% success rate of getting the site removed. No amount of track covering, expertise or knowledge will stop me finding the money page.
      Aren't you a sad little fellow.
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      • Profile picture of the author davejug1
        Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

        Aren't you a sad little fellow.
        Not in the slightest, I even smile while I'm doing it

        The problem with anything like this is that it might work at any single point in time, but when Google updates the algorythms like in Panda, suddenly you're nowhere. Nobody to blame but yourself.

        You might think this is coming from someone who has never used it and doesn't know, but I can rebut that argument by asking you to search senuke+davejug1 on Google. Then the fact I used to work for them on their manual review panel so I do speak with some authority on the matter.

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    I used SenukeX right from the day it was launched. But slowly i found much better services that have much better results then SenukeX. If you are selling SEO on WF then its a really handy tool but its not so effective when i used it with my own sites. It is a exelent tool for backlink diversity but when used with backlink indexer services as the links from the nuke take longer to index and also most of them leaves high footprints due to spun content. So i dont use it much now. Its just good for backlink diversity we cant powerful links from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author winrest
    okay I'm beginner in this area, but listening to all of you talking about blackhat, made ​​me think ... if I want to eliminate my competition, i just need to practice a little black hat in their domain right? soo if i have the need to compete with ebay.com i just need to buy Senukex and use this recklessly??? Big Hug to All.
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    If you want to work very hard as a webmaster, you should have top backlink building programs and SENuke is just one of them
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    • Profile picture of the author AskJon
      They are worth it if you're using them the right way and if you're smarter enough and learn how to use them effectively! If you just put the same urls as everyone else and blast the hell out of your websites, then of course you're gonna fail, but use senuke in a smart way and you'll get awesome results.
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    google panda cant catch the seo tools. and senuke is very important for link wheel
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    A lot of you "Senuke Haters" in general are really being close minded here. There a lot of people who experience great value out of the tool, and maybe it hasn't worked for you, but that doesn't mean it won't work for others.

    Do I think Senuke alone can get you to the top for really competitive words? Of course not. But can it help? Yes.

    Does the tool make my life easier? Yes. Do I make way more off it than the monthly $127 fee I pay (I'm grandfathered in the old rate), yes.

    Keep in mind you guys seem to think that everyone in internet marketing is targeting these "super competitive" words, when many are not.

    You can make a killing off of low-medium competition words which Senuke can rank. Whether it be building micro-niche site sites or targeting low competition words that convert well with CPA offers, Senuke can rank these types of words.

    Senuke is also great for those that manage clients for local businesses that target geographic regions or clients that maybe don't want to rank for ultra competitive words. Senuke is more than enough to rank these types of sites. Again it will help you make money here. These are just a couple of examples.

    If you want to only have a handful of authority sites and chase those 100,000+ exact match words by manually linkbuilding for years than kudos to you. However not everyone in internet marketing takes that route.

    Some of us have hundreds of websites to manage (like myself), and Senuke makes this job a lot easier. I'm sorry manual linkbuilding is not a feasible option for those really with more than 10 or so sites.

    So again is Senuke worth it? If a tool makes you more money than it is cost you than it is.

    Senuke helps me to make a 5 figure a month income, so again it is how you use it. Not necessarily in just the technical aspect of the software, but also in how you utilize it to achieve your internet marketing goals.

    However those who are on the fence about it you don't have to listen to me or these so called "manual link gurus", just try it for yourself and see. There is a 14 day free trial for the software anyway. SEO is all about split testing, so take everything you read with a grain of salt, and use your own brain to make decisions.
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    • Profile picture of the author AskJon
      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

      A lot of you "Senuke Haters" in general are really being close minded here. There a lot of people who experience great value out of the tool, and maybe it hasn't worked for you, but that doesn't mean it won't work for others.

      Do I think Senuke alone can get you to the top for really competitive words? Of course not. But can it help? Yes.

      Does the tool make my life easier? Yes. Do I make way more off it than the monthly $127 fee I pay (I'm grandfathered in the old rate), yes.

      Keep in mind you guys seem to think that everyone in internet marketing is targeting these "super competitive" words, when many are not.

      You can make a killing off of low-medium competition words which Senuke can rank. Whether it be building micro-niche site sites or targeting low competition words that convert well with CPA offers, Senuke can rank these types of words.

      Senuke is also great for those that manage clients for local businesses that target geographic regions or clients that maybe don't want to rank for ultra competitive words. Senuke is more than enough to rank these types of sites. Again it will help you make money here. These are just a couple of examples.

      If you want to only have a handful of authority sites and chase those 100,000+ exact match words by manually linkbuilding for years than kudos to you. However not everyone in internet marketing takes that route.

      Some of us have hundreds of websites to manage (like myself), and Senuke makes this job a lot easier. I'm sorry manual linkbuilding is not a feasible option for those really with more than 10 or so sites.

      So again is Senuke worth it? If a tool makes you more money than it is cost you than it is.

      Senuke helps me to make a 5 figure a month income, so again it is how you use it. Not necessarily in just the technical aspect of the software, but also in how you utilize it to achieve your internet marketing goals.

      However those who are on the fence about it you don't have to listen to me or these so called "manual link gurus", just try it for yourself and see. There is a 14 day free trial for the software anyway. SEO is all about split testing, so take everything you read with a grain of salt, and use your own brain to make decisions.
      Totally agree with you GyuMan! It really is all about how you use the tools.

      Even though I like a more hybrid method using both automatic and manual links building you pretty much nailed it down! It's usually way easier to use automatic tools such as senuke the wrong way, but finding the good way to use it can be quite effective! Split testing is where it's all at.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

      Does the tool make my life easier? Yes. Do I make way more off it than the monthly $127 fee I pay (I'm grandfathered in the old rate), yes.
      You are a service provider that uses it for clients from what I see. No one ever said service providers don't make money from it. In fact I declared it was the one group that would make money. Thats why service providers are always the most vocal and close minded in supporting it.

      Keep in mind you guys seem to think that everyone in internet marketing is targeting these "super competitive" words, when many are not.

      You can make a killing off of low-medium competition words which Senuke can rank.
      You can rank for such terms for less than $2,000 per year. You've completely missed the point.

      Senuke is also great for those that manage clients for local businesses that target geographic regions or clients that maybe don't want to rank for ultra competitive words.
      Heres where that rubs me the wrong way because unfortunately many such service providers neither disclose their practices or understand the needs of real local businesses. Tell a number of local businesses that your SEO may associate their brand and company with Spam of any kind and a great many would say no but beyond that again for $2,000 per year I can do better for my customers.

      Some of us have hundreds of websites to manage (like myself), and Senuke makes this job a lot easier. I'm sorry manual linkbuilding is not a feasible option for those really with more than 10 or so sites.
      Thats nonsense. A) The name of the game is making money not the number of sites you own. B) If you get away from prehashed automation you can automate alot of things that Senuke can't do and yes hundreds or even thousands of sites C) Thats just pretending that other cheaper options have not been presented in this thread that do the same thing for less and with much more advantageous features (like adding your own sites - beyond just forum profile - that are NOT being blasted by everyone using the same same link resources).

      So again is Senuke worth it? If a tool makes you more money than it is cost you than it is.
      Worth is relative to alternatives. You are still ignoring the alternatives that have been listed. Just because someone makes $100,000 per year driving a Yugo

      https://www.google.com/search?q=yugo...w=1280&bih=899

      To work doesn't mean it is worth even $2,000
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      • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        You are a service provider that uses it for clients from what I see. No one ever said service providers don't make money from it. In fact I declared it was the one group that would make money. Thats why service providers are always the most vocal and close minded in supporting it.



        You can rank for such terms for less than $2,000 per year. You've completely missed the point.



        Heres where that rubs me the wrong way because unfortunately many such service providers neither disclose their practices or understand the needs of real local businesses. Tell a number of local businesses that your SEO may associate their brand and company with Spam of any kind and a great many would say no but beyond that again for $2,000 per year I can do better for my customers.



        Thats nonsense. A) The name of the game is making money not the number of sites you own. B) If you get away from prehashed automation you can automate alot of things that Senuke can't do and yes hundreds or even thousands of sites C) Thats just pretending that other cheaper options have not been presented in this thread that do the same thing for less and with much more advantageous features (like adding your own sites - beyond just forum profile - that are NOT being blasted by everyone using the same same link resources).



        Worth is relative to alternatives. You are still ignoring the alternatives that have been listed. Just because someone makes $100,000 per year driving a Yugo

        https://www.google.com/search?q=yugo...w=1280&bih=899

        To work doesn't mean it is worth even $20,000
        I'm not here to pick a beef with you, and to be honest I don't care what you think.

        My issue is that some of you WF "Gurus" state your opinions with such arrogance and confidence that those who are new to internet marketing see you with thousands of posts and take what you say for face value as truth as if you are some sort of authority on the matter.

        The fact is there are many internet marketers out there that make money using these tools, so don't prevent these people from discovering them. Merely state your opinion on the matter and move on.

        There is no need to constantly have a condescending attitude towards these tools or those that use them. If you feel "righteous" and "honorable" because you manually build your links and feel like you "contribute" to the good of the web, well that's great for you.

        There are lots of people using "crappy" and "overpriced" tools like Senuke to make money. You cannot deny that. And if they do, what's it to you? Who cares, it's none of your business.

        With regards to alternatives, again you are missing the point. Of course there are cheaper alternatives, but people like your "Yugo" point value different things.

        Magic submitter is a great tool, but again that doesn't mean everyone wants to take the time to learn and manually add templates and teach the tool to submit to sites.

        Same things with outsourcing. Some people choose to do it while some do not. It is completely up to the individual.

        Again it depends what you value. Some people value different things.

        So again we can agree to disagree.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

          My issue is that some of you WF "Gurus" state your opinions with such arrogance and confidence that those who are new to internet marketing see you with thousands of posts and take what you say for face value as truth as if you are some sort of authority on the matter.
          And you are? I don't see you stating anything with less confidence or arrogance. Its all about facts as far as I am concerned so don't be so intimidated by thanks like its some point of scorn that people have found value in past posts. This IS all about newbies not wasting money. We have facts and you have a self testimonial. We know forum profile links and bookmarks are the weakest of the weakest links as does everyone else but SOME service providers .

          Fact 1

          No test split or otherwise has shown that forum profile links pitted against in context links results in forum profile links winning. Nada. SEnukeX is mostly populated with Forum links. Want to argue that then be my guest.

          Fact 2

          SenukeX kind of links cannot even rank in mid level competition much less truly competitive serps. Yeah fact - Number one term for profile web 2.o and article links has historically been "backlinks"

          https://www.google.com/search?q=yugo...w=1280&bih=899

          The number three guy there has been there for about a year now DESPITE A SENUKE SELLER TRYING TO GAIN THE SPOT. So much for domination (poor Senukex loving guys cannot be found now even through to page 3). What does that spot have? great in contextual links not just blasts. Raw fact and raw data from Google itself. See? I am not appealing to guru status or post count. In this post alone I have delivered more raw independent data than any SEnukeX advocate including you.

          Fact 3 - hundreds if not thousands of people have received notices from Google after utilizing things like SenukeX and Xrummer AND Have seen penalties apply. The answer by most senukeX and Xrummer guys is to claim against all facts that its something else that got them in trouble even when they state thats all they used OR to state that using it the way it is advertised marks them as unlearned or newbs but umm thats not arrogant or condescending right?

          Google's Sending Webmaster Notifications About Bad Links Pointing At Their Sites

          The fact is there are many internet marketers out there that make money using these tools, so don't prevent these people from discovering them. Merely state your opinion on the matter and move on.
          Fact are there are far more people not making it DESPITE these tools being used and advertised relentlessly by their advocates.Seeing as it doesn't work post panda for most people perhaps you might think of taking you advice about moving on because theres nothing wrong with anyone trumping the alternatives just because you don't like it.

          Side word of advice - don't want to come off as arrogant don't tell other posters to move along like you are a mod.

          Magic submitter is a great tool, but again that doesn't mean someone wants to take the time to learn and manually add templates and teach the tool to submit to sites.
          For a hundred dollars less a month I guess they wouldn't have the cash to get someone to do that for them. But thats really something though isn't it? The argument with SenukeX users is all about you have to know how to use it. MS comes with training that covers everything and its easy as pie but now having to learn to use it is something that justifies shelling out $100 a month more. Go figure they will argue for and against having to learn a piece of software as it suits them. Anyway-

          How dare the "gurus" point people away from overspending around $1200 a year. What a terrible arrogant thing for us to do to newbies. :rolleyes: As a historical figure once said - Let them eat cake and in this case for a hundred dollars more per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I didn't say tools can't work, I just said SENuke is an overpriced POS. You can get Magic Submitter, which does everything SEnuke does, has far more sites to submit to, and let's you teach it to submit to any site you want, but it is less than half the price.

    So I think SEnuke is a silly investment when there is something better at a cheaper price.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I didn't say tools can't work, I just said SENuke is an overpriced POS. You can get Magic Submitter, which does everything SEnuke does, has far more sites to submit to, and let's you teach it to submit to any site you want, but it is less than half the price.

      So I think SEnuke is a silly investment when there is something better at a cheaper price.
      Magic Submitter is vastly underrated IMO. Does everything SENuke does at a much lower price.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

        Magic Submitter is vastly underrated IMO. Does everything SENuke does at a much lower price.
        Exactly my point. And if you can use SEnuke X, the interface is very similar. It gets updated constantly. Between the two, for the life of me I cannot understand why anyone would pick SEnuke X.
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      • Profile picture of the author jetsetpeasant
        Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

        Magic Submitter is vastly underrated IMO. Does everything SENuke does at a much lower price.
        I just cancelled my subscription to SENuke and will look more closely at Magic Submitter, since a lot of people do seem to think that it's as good as SENuke but a lot cheaper.

        One thing that's not being addressed much in this thread, though, is whether this kind of SEO strategy is even worth focusing much on any more.

        Again, should I bother spending my time and energy on software and training people to use it when there is a growing number of services that do all of this for you for very cheap? Plus, as a few people have mentioned, using these kinds of automated techniques are getting more and more obvious to detect -especially if you're sending traffic directly back to your money site. The solution some gurus are talking about is sending traffic from these kinds of automated tools to pages like YouTube, since Google obviously loves their own stuff and naturally ranks video pretty high. Also sending links to Social Media sites in the hopes of getting some natural sharing going on.

        Based on what was discussed at the Traffic and Conversion Summit, it seems that rather than focusing much energy anymore on gaming the system through this kind of automation, we should instead be placing more attention on finding the best keyword niches and dominating them with excellent content that people are interested in sharing. If you artificially build links and get traffic back to You Tube, using either these programs by yourself or through outsourcing Google is not going to punish you and the links to your stuff will look very natural because after the initial ones, they are!

        What do you guys think???
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  • Profile picture of the author jetsetpeasant
    Thanks everybody for all the input on this, though, I think all this thread has really done for my own understanding is show how many different views and opinions there are about SENuke here on WF.

    I really do like the software and understand how powerful it is at building backlinks, but I think my model of owning the software and training very cheap outsourced work to use it isn't nearly as efficient as outsourcing the work directly to somebody who has a license.

    Fiverr and WF are great sources for these kinds of people and the nice thing is that by outsourcing everything to somebody trained for this is it really pushes the responsibility of linkbuilding on to somebody else. I think this will just get cheaper and cheaper as there become more and more outsourced workers abroad willing to do about anything for really cheap.

    The post panda part I was talking about dealt with the whole link building strategy and building links more to authority sites where backlinks are created and driven toward related, keyword specific videos and other specialized content like Press Releases instead of sending a bunch of spamming traffic back to your sites.

    This strategy is something they mentioned at the Traffic and Conversion Summit and a couple of pretty well known Warriors are using it too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hossain
    People who run senuke are very smart to hypnotize folks. Do you know Keith Barry?

    If senuke offer 100$ one time fee for grabbing this software then I would purchase it.
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    • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
      Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

      People who run senuke are very smart to hypnotize folks. Do you know Keith Barry?

      If senuke offer 100$ one time fee for grabbing this software then I would purchase it. Otherwise Scrapebox or AMR is much better tool than SEnuke.
      You're exactly right on the $100 flat fee and I have a feeling they'll be doing that sooner than later. It's the basic principal for every project or money making idea. Get what you can when you can.

      If I'm able to charge $150/mo (or w/e SENuke is) for a service and people actually buy it, I'm gonna do it till the cow is dry. However, once my product is not performing as well as it once was or business is slowing down, I'll then offer my product for a cheaper monthly rate or a flat fee.

      That is exactly what SENuke will do. They'll lower the customer support and sell it for a flat fee of $100-$200.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
    My issue is that some of you WF "Gurus" state your opinions with such arrogance and confidence that those who are new to internet marketing see you with thousands of posts and take what you say for face value as truth as if you are some sort of authority on the matter.
    You are right GuyMan82 i do agree with you. I also had seen some Gurus here showing there arrogance again and again even if they are wrong. I wonder why they think that everyone should walk there way ? If they dont like others view then they can pass, instead they try to show their attitude.
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  • Profile picture of the author Igman
    SENuke is a very powerful tool for clever SEO marketers. If you know how to use it properly, it will save you time and money in the long run. Of course it's worth the price!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    I get where Mike's coming from, and in many circles, the low hanging fruits are just not there any more in terms of link validation/ranking qualities. We all know forum profiles and guest book spam has fallen by the wayside, and even the article directories themselves. Google is ever changing, and needless to say, the tools are going to need to change with it.

    If you have anything to do with SEO, then by now you've seen the raging discussion centered around the link element that google has removed in terms of considering it as weight for "link juice". I for one, am hoping for the future and continuing development of tools..regardless of what vendor produces them.

    To be completely honest, I still think, depending on the niche AND competition, you can rank with SeNuke..but to MIke's point, you can do the same thing for a lot cheaper. I'm not one to knock a vendor, hell..they're making money in supporting the app and making sure it functions as it should.

    Personally, I'm going to continue using as much automation as possible, and test like a bitch in heat. That's the only way, I'm going to learn about what tool (or subset of tool) works or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Kael41 View Post

      Personally, I'm going to continue using as much automation as possible, and test like a bitch in heat. That's the only way, I'm going to learn about what tool (or subset of tool) works or not.
      Kael , don't believe the spin artists in this thread. I am all for automation, use automation tools, code my own macros and have suggested automation tools even in this thread. They just want to spin that I don't because I don't think their $149 per month tool of choice is any better than cheaper alternatives and because I resist the hype in favor of what really works post panda.
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    For a hundred dollars less a month I guess they wouldn't have the cash to get someone to do that for them. But thats really something though isn't it? The argument with SenukeX users is all about you have to know how to use it. MS comes with training that covers everything and its easy as pie but now having to learn to use it is something that justifies shelling out $100 a month more. Go figure they will argue for and against having to learn a piece of software as it suits them. Anyway-

    How dare the "gurus" point people away from overspending around $1200 a year. What a terrible arrogant thing for us to do to newbies. As a historical figure once said - Let them eat cake and in this case for a hundred dollars more per month.
    Again people value different things.

    And again, the tools are not the same.

    Some seem to value cost, others value time. I'm not really concerned about $60 or so extra a month I have to pay for Senuke. However maybe to some that is a concern. I get it.

    People value different things.

    For me I personally have no problem shelling out an additional $60 a month to have someone constantly update, add sites, and fix the tool for me. I don't have time to do it all myself.

    It is easier for me to pay Senuke that extra cash to do it for me. I don't feel like hunting down and adding extra templates and teaching Magic Submitter to learn it.

    Some like Magic Submitter that's great. some prefer Senuke, some like to build their own. It is what it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

      Some seem to value cost, others value time. I'm not really concerned about $60 or so extra a month I have to pay for Senuke. However maybe to some that is a concern. I get it.
      Whatever happened to caring about the newbie? Now we are back to what you can afford I , I, I etc. But seriously did you even bother reading the title of the OP. Doesn't it directly reference Price so how could that not come into the discussion? Its kind of a pointless objection when you read the title of this thread. Who cares that it doesn't matter to you or me. That makes no point to someone starting out in SEO or IM. Frankly even though I spend hundreds of dollars a month on tools it doesn't even justify it to me if better tools can be had for less.

      It is easier for me to pay Senuke that extra cash to do it for me. I don't feel like hunting down and adding extra templates and teaching Magic Submitter to learn it.
      Well A) MS comes with links loaded in and it is updated so theres no point there - the ability to add links is an ADDED feature not a either or proposition B) I don't let what I feel or is easiest for me dictate the quality of link opportunities I give my customers. IF I were you I wouldn't admit that thats my criteria for link building publicly though. Doesn't sound great and especially don't let the the local business you say justify using SenukeX know about your criteria for the kinds of links you get them..... but perhaps you have different kinds of local businesses than I do.

      However talking about being close minded - I don't think you even understand the opportunities that being able to add any site imaginable to a link campaign does for the link campaign. Let the WF SEO guru (your claim not mine) open your mind a little.

      Lets say that using Scrapebox I find some nice links that have on page authority maybe a number of links I find or develop. They could be blog comment pages, niche directories, my own blog, a SEO network I have access to, an article directory that is a little more exclusive, a wiki page, hey even a forum profile that for some odd and rare reason has some authority because people besides spammers linked to it.

      Can SenukeX integrate and automate my link campaign and use all these solid links that no one else is blasting? Nope. It can't even climb that hill for three times the price. Can MS do it? easily complete with diagramming of how I want the links to flow.

      Now SEO question - Would the ability to add any conceivable link high and low quality help a newbie be successful in their campaign? Even a newbie knows the answer to that despite your failed complaint that some dissent by "gurus" is hurting them. They ca figure out who is really trying to help them even more after this question -

      Would the ability to put $100 more into their Seo campaign every month in the process help them to buy more tools, more links, build their own SEO network over time, subscribe to BMR (if they ever open the doors again) and on and on with exploring additional opportunities? Is the sky blue on a clear day?

      Come with something good when you claim that I or anyone else is hurting newbies by not following your hype. It would do ton loads for credibility if you were not advocating that newbies shellout $147 for something with less features than its $50+ competitor because its at the center of what you offer.
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      • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Whatever happened to caring about the newbie? Now we are back to what you can afford I , I, I etc. But seriously did you even bother reading the title of the OP. Doesn't it directly reference Price so how could that not come into the discussion? Its kind of a pointless objection when you read the title of this thread. Who cares that it doesn't matter to you or me. That makes no point to someone starting out in SEO or IM. Frankly even though I spend hundreds of dollars a month on tools it doesn't even justify it to me if better tools can be had for less.



        Well A) MS comes with links loaded in and it is updated so theres no point there - the ability to add links is an ADDED feature not a either or proposition B) I don't let what I feel or is easiest for me dictate the quality of link opportunities I give my customers. IF I were you I wouldn't admit that thats my criteria for link building publicly though. Doesn't sound great and especially don't let the the local business you say justify using SenukeX know about your criteria for the kinds of links you get them..... but perhaps you have different kinds of local businesses than I do.

        However talking about being close minded - I don't think you even understand the opportunities that being able to add any site imaginable to a link campaign does for the link campaign. Let the WF SEO guru (your claim not mine) open your mind a little.

        Lets say that using Scrapebox I find some nice links that have on page authority maybe a number of links I find or develop. They could be blog comment pages, niche directories, my own blog, a SEO network I have access to, an article directory that is a little more exclusive, a wiki page, hey even a forum profile that for some odd and rare reason has some authority because people besides spammers linked to it.

        Can SenukeX integrate and automate my link campaign and use all these solid links that no one else is blasting? Nope. It can't even climb that hill for three times the price. Can MS do it? easily complete with diagramming of how I want the links to flow.

        Now SEO question - Would the ability to add any conceivable link high and low quality help a newbie be successful in their campaign? Even a newbie knows the answer to that despite your failed complaint that some dissent by "gurus" is hurting them. They ca figure out who is really trying to help them even more after this question -

        Would the ability to put $100 more into their Seo campaign every month in the process help them to buy more tools, more links, build their own SEO network over time, subscribe to BMR (if they ever open the doors again) and on and on with exploring additional opportunities? Is the sky blue on a clear day?

        Come with something good when you claim that I or anyone else is hurting newbies by not following your hype. It would do ton loads for credibility if you were not advocating that newbies shellout $147 for something with less features than its $50+ competitor because its at the center of what you offer.
        Geez don't get your panties in a bunch man. Its just the internetz its not that serious.

        People can decide on their own what to believe.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

          Geez don't get your panties in a bunch man. Its just the internetz its not that serious.

          People can decide on their own what to believe.
          LOl finally got yours debunched. That whole WF guru rant post had them bound up kind a tight there
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  • Profile picture of the author pwtmike
    the senuke debate is always so intense...
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryAllen
    Yes, SENuke works but don't why my last pursing gig didn't work
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  • Profile picture of the author speedbird
    Originally Posted by jetsetpeasant View Post

    Hi everybody,

    I know that SENuke is widely considered to be the best backlinking software online, but based on a couple of recent things that have happened, I'm wondering if the software is really worth the high price tag or if it wouldn't be more efficient, effective, and cheaper to just outsource backlink creation using Fiverr.

    I know Fiverr isn't great for everything, but stick with me here...

    What I mean is, the Panda changes this year seem to further diminish the effectiveness of this kind of SEO strategy and the fact that IM experts, including those at the recent Traffic and Conversion Summit are advocating building more general links back to authority sites like You Tube and issuing Press Releases about the same time to account for the increased links and traffic spikes.

    So rather than:

    1. Finding a niche using keyword research.
    2. Writing keyword rich content.
    3. Publishing article and content all over the place including the creation of link wheels, etc through SENuke.

    Instead...

    1. Create a You Tube video that relates to your keyword. Write a description that includes the keywords, links, and local contact information if applicable.
    2. Issue a press release that includes your keywords and references the You Tube Video page.
    3. Go to Fiverr and pay somebody to blast the crap out of your You Tube video and build link pyramids, etc around it.

    According to some people using the second method is much harder to track by Google, since you're basically sending traffic back to Google -which they like - and related social media is talking about your video and your offer, etc -which becomes more important everyday for validating the importance of your site.

    Thanks in advance to all those that help me figure this out!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author seococonuts
    I use SEnuke everyday and like someone else mentioned above, it all depends on how you plan to use it...M-16 in the hands of a child or a soldier
    Rather than blasting direct links from SEnuke supported sites to my money pages (or my clients), I use it to boost and help index the quality links that I point directly to the pages.
    If you just press the buttons and blast loads of these links without thinking about what you are doing the tool is not worth the money at all- as we all know it comes with a hefty fee.
    I saw a guy here in WF offering a SEnuke package similar to my packages and charging $79 dollars for it...I'm cheaper BTW (-:
    He quite clearly knew what he was doing though so it looked like a good deal, those fiverr gigs are not worth the money in my opinion and risky as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author markus3000
    I just wanted to put my 2 cents in. I am still a newbie by all means and decided to give senuke a try since it was so automated and it had a diversity of links that I could get from it. I am still learning the process and have made alot of mistakes along the way with the software because some many people use it differently but I can tell you my success on it. I started with a site that I made a year ago when i knew nothing about backlinks ect. I let is get drifted off in google wasteland to the point where it wasnt even in the top 200 and maybe ranking in yahoo and bing for a few words. I let it go over the course of the past year and in the past three months I started using senuke to build links and I have managed to now rank for over 30 words in the top ten for low to medium competative and another 30 in the top 20. Of those several are ranking number one. The best part is a key word I was after that was highly competative (135000 exact searches) has risen to the rank of 13. I dont know about the experts but I would consider 135000 exact matches pretty competative and I understand that I am not in the top ten but I am not to far away. I have also managed to build about 2800 backlinks with it and my rankings continue to rise. Again I am no expert and I do continue to learn but I can tell you from a newbie point of view that it does work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by markus3000 View Post

      I just wanted to put my 2 cents in. I am still a newbie by all means and decided to give senuke a try since it was so automated and it had a diversity of links that I could get from it. I am still learning the process and have made alot of mistakes along the way with the software because some many people use it differently but I can tell you my success on it.
      In the time that you have been paying for it and learning to use it you have spent hundreds of dollars that would have given you far better results. Thats the whole point. As you learn SEo you will realize that any kind of link will be better than no links but you can make much better choices as you go along.

      also wanted to point out that exact searches by themselves are not a sure fire way as you think of determining competitiveness. People can search for terms that are not easily monetized and so the search volume is not heavily competed for.
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      • Profile picture of the author markus3000
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        In the time that you have been paying for it and learning to use it you have spent hundreds of dollars that would have given you far better results. Thats the whole point. As you learn SEo you will realize that any kind of link will be better than no links but you can make much better choices as you go along.

        also wanted to point out that exact searches by themselves are not a sure fire way as you think of determining competitiveness. People can search for terms that are not easily monetized and so the search volume is not heavily competed for.

        I am always here to learn. I mean it when I ask you this but what do you suggest is a better choice? If you can be specific then please do it would be helpful know a better way.
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        • Profile picture of the author NeillMac
          Originally Posted by markus3000 View Post

          I am always here to learn. I mean it when I ask you this but what do you suggest is a better choice? If you can be specific then please do it would be helpful know a better way.
          Good question?

          Did you get a reply?

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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Read the thread - there have been plenty and specific alternatives
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  • Profile picture of the author mxyzplk
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    Logically, I believe that how VA work on link building is just the same like senuke, no difference, but some of site cannot use senuke. So I believe both VA and Senuke are important.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jra
      SE Nuke X is just another tool in the tool bag. Don't use it to constantly BLAST links, use it wisely. If it is all you use it for you're in trouble in more than one way.
      Does it deserve some hate? Definitely.
      Does it deserve all the ire? Not really.

      We use it as a part of our SEO process and it is effective and does what we want it to do. It is just $149 of our $400 dollar SEO budget.
      I'd say listen to both sides and take the good with the bad and find the process that fits your knowledge base and skill set the best. Use your head!
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  • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
    I was using SENukeX for most of last year, but July-October was just non-stop issues. The video submission module was always a problem, but it was pretty much inoperable at that stage and eventually they just removed it (no notice, no reduction in price...).

    It did not allow for much customization of links, with only the forum module having an option to add your own. From my own experiences after July I started questioning if it was worth continuing with, and at the end of October I ditched it completely.

    That said...

    Many of the complaints people have about software effectiveness has to do with how they use it. I know a lot of newbies that signed up to SENukeX to promote crappy websites that were poorly optimized and targeted insanely competitive keywords, then used PLR articles on the default 'grab and spin' setting that produced absolutely unreadable garbage, spammed the heck out of the websites with tonnes of backlinks over 1-2 days, and THEN complained that it was the software's fault that they did not reach #1 in Google...

    SEO Software is just a tool. If you don't combine that tool with knowledge then you won't get good results.

    I wouldn't pick up a hammer and expect to be able to build a house...
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  • Profile picture of the author sharmaravi08
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    SeNuke is really great and I have many happy clients.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      I had some guy creating 50 web2.0's for me wtih Senukex, a week later half of them got removed, 3 weeks later only 3 of them were indexed in Google. Imo the biggest waste of money, since then I moved to someone else who uses another tool (as in not the same web2.0's) and uses a more sophisticated technique where he works for multiple clients that he gets on the same web2.0's and out of the 60 links that he created 25 of them were indexed within the same week.

      People who really think that $147/month is normal for such tool should really do a realitiy check.
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I had some guy creating 50 web2.0's for me wtih Senukex, a week later half of them got removed, 3 weeks later only 3 of them were indexed in Google. Imo the biggest waste of money, since then I moved to someone else who uses another tool (as in not the same web2.0's) and uses a more sophisticated technique where he works for multiple clients that he gets on the same web2.0's and out of the 60 links that he created 25 of them were indexed within the same week.

        People who really think that $147/month is normal for such tool should really do a realitiy check.
        Indeed. It's much more expensive than enterprise SaaS!

        IM pricing is based on 'dreamers' who justify the high costs because of their fantasy about rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author joshdwarrior101
    Nice discussion here but I just wanted to tell that I am more of a manual SEO. I don't want to hurt third party sites by sending automated links to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author DANMYSON
    I come to this thread as I am looking to buy some link creation software from WSO. GSA search engine ranker is one, one click backlink builder another . I am starting up sites/blogs to flip or sell, some quite competitive niches, yet with EMD's. Looking to either outsource for some backlinks, social monkee etc, or use some link building tools to look for specific PR sites, web 2.0's etc. Price is the key as there isn't enough meat on the bone to head into 6 month manual link building programmes, article writing etc. Senuke doesn't seem to be the answer, what do you guys think to some of the WSO equivalents?
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    • Profile picture of the author retsek
      Originally Posted by infolicious View Post

      I still use SENukeX.
      I hope ya ain't paying for it cause you're wasting $$$/m on junk links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
    All SEnuke, magic submitter, web2.0 generating software is crap. All it does it churn out crap links. It doesn't matter if you use unique content. It's like creating 20+ new domains with no credibility or history. The time spent creating these 2.0 links and tier blasts etc and the money spent on creating the content, you would have been better off getting 1 strong links (which may cost $250+) which would have 10-100 times the power.

    Save your money and do real link building. Contact other website owners.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen View Post

      The time spent creating these 2.0 links and tier blasts etc and the money spent on creating the content, you would have been better off getting 1 strong links (which may cost $250+) which would have 10-100 times the power.
      Though I get where you are coming form Mike If I am going to pay $250 for a link I'd rather either spend the same amount or a bit more and get a whole domain. Its far more efficient when it comes to buying links. With a High Pr domain in hand I can approach webmasters and actually not have to plunk down cash ( and yes PR matters because its a really good first indicator that there are a good amount of links being bought in the process and usually with some quality. Fake Pr not withstanding - you just need to know how to do homework beyond the Pr) . I can do three way link exchanges that look completely natural leveraging the domain and site for multiple links. Contacting webmasters for individual links is either costly or time consuming reaching mostly uninterested webmasters if you have nothing to leverage their interest.

      And as a matter of fact I DO use Magic Submitter and its not garbage because I add those links into the mix although I agree with you that all of the submission software packages comes loaded with junk. The thing to me that all these submission softwares just have to come with is the ability to add any resource you want. Senuke can't and MS can for nearly a third of the price. Comes in handy for alot of things but then I don't use MS for everything either.
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  • Profile picture of the author amiramin
    no, it never does
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernies
    I use magic submitter and it says a great deal of time and money. However, it is true that videos rank extremely well in google nowadays.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    What sorts of blog platforms does MS submit to? I know Wordpress (wpmu's), what other ones are there? And how do you find them?
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  • Profile picture of the author supaH
    IMO I'd say no to $149/month with SeNuke. I use a crack version of SeNuke simply for the ability to create the accounts. Then I make the backlinks using those accounts over a period of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
      Originally Posted by supaH View Post

      IMO I'd say no to $149/month with SeNuke. I use a crack version of SeNuke simply for the ability to create the accounts. Then I make the backlinks using those accounts over a period of time.
      Using a cracked version of SENuke?

      You are one shameless, low-life scambag!
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      • Profile picture of the author HenryABranch
        Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

        Using a cracked version of SENuke?

        You are one shameless, low-life scambag!
        Yes agreed !....(coming from a software developer )
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    SeNuke X is a great tool and has some good features, BUT it costs $147 a month which in my opinion makes it useless.

    For example something like Ultimate Demon can be picked up for a one time payment of $347 and does most of what SeNuke X does. I have over 25,000 sites I can post to in Ultimate Demon which makes it superior in my opninon not to mention how much cheaper it is to run.

    Total cost to run SeNuke X for a year = $1764
    Total cost to run Ultimate Demon for 5 years = $347
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    • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
      Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

      Total cost to run Ultimate Demon for 5 years = $347
      Nope! 2 Years
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  • Profile picture of the author xenium11
    These days it is highly recommended that you have manual backlinks than Automated ones........... I had read one blog post that a guy who ranked on 1st page of google was kicked off as soon as he tried to be more greedy by trying automated backlinking...................

    So be carefull
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  • Profile picture of the author frank07
    After Google change their rules, we need to use Senuke carefully, without knowledge and experience this software will be waste of money.
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